Walt Disney himself stated: " You're dead if you aim only for kids, adults are only kids grown up anyway." So it's quite sad to see how many people only view animation as something aimed for kids,may it be regular viewers or corporate higher ups who have little to no respect for the things they create unless it provides profit to them
i agree im no animator nor do i pretend to know alot but just seeing how fluid and beautiful it is while telling such stories its something almost no other medium can do. and ii hope one day your art work for animations gets light shone on it by people like mark
I love when works tell stories that wouldn’t work in any other medium. Scavenger’s Reign for animation, Saga for comic books, The Stanley Parable for video games, etc… In my mind, they take full advantage of their mediums in a way that very few others could even dream of!
@@kingace6186 I know it's a controversial opinion but we should consider the paneling more than the actual quality of the drawing, so paradoxically, imho, something like Chainsaw Man, Witch Hat Atelier, God's Child are manga that can't be transposed into an anime aesthetically speaking (but that doesn't mean the adaptation will be bad, but they can't restore the genius that is there) While for Berserk, animated films like Akira and Redline demonstrate that even something like Berserk can be made, even if it would take decades to do it well
@@pac710 Witch Hat Atelier mentioned🎉🎈🎊!!! And I definitely agree, which is why I've been a bit nervous about an anime. The way Kamome Shirahama plays around with visual storytelling by manipulating her panels is simply awesome in the truest sense of the world. Her art, and Scavenger Reign, have both filled me with childlike wonder.
@GaryCrant Non Eastern animation, aka Cartoons/animated series and movies. It's not for a lack of effort from artist it's just because of corporations lack of respect for the median.
I think it's respected as a medium and as an artform, but by people who already respect cinema itself as an artform and not just disposable entertainment. People will say that animation is cinema, but they're saying it to an audience today that doesn't even know what cinema is and believe that cinema is anything that makes a lot of money at the box-office.
@@GaryCrantTo an extent those movies are respected but ultimately they're still seen as only "Kids media" something only kids can enjoy instead of everyone regardless of age.
I should take this opportunity to remind everyone that the Animation Guild is currently preparing to strike. Soon, animators across America will be fighting for better working conditions, fair wages, and most importantly, protection of their jobs and hard work from generative AI. So if you love shows like Scavengers Reign, PLEASE JOIN THE FIGHT! Otherwise, we may never get something so beautiful ever again.
As long as people like David Zaslav run things - people who look down so bad on animation they would simply discard entire series and films as tax payments... I find it hard to believe in a bigger rise of animation. The belief that people will show up more for live action things than for animation is far from gone either. It's hard to change the mind of people...
The first show I saw that made me feel this way was Made in Abyss. Absolutely breathtaking animation, world building and design, and musical accompaniment with a story and characters that keep you gripped and will shock you to your core. If you haven’t seen Made in Abyss yet mark, I promise you, you will fall in love with animation all over again
It truly is such a fantastic show but the one thing that stops me from fully appreciating it is the pedophilic imagery. It wasn't that bad in S1 but it got worse in Dawn of the deep soul and season 2
Really appreciated how you emphasized how certain aspects of a medium have less limits doesn't automatically or even necessarily equal is cheaper/easier.
I'm a games animator. I provide life to the playable and non playable characters in computer games, aswell as the environment. Without animation, you just have a camera flying around an interactive museum. Animation is the breathing and life of games. It's personalty, it's story and it's immersion.
So happy you’re covering this show! I have been screaming praise for it to anyone who would listen! The animation is beautiful, fluid, and smooth as hell. The characters are fantastic, but the world, the world is stunningly alien and achingly unique. There are words like “Anemoia”, “Hiraeth”, or “Fernweh”, that describe a sort of nostalgia for a place that doesn’t exist or you’ve never been to. I think they fit this show incredibly well. It is a shame what they’ve done to the animation team, but hopefully Netflix can pull through and give them what they need for a second season!
Animation is also why i can't get into a Comic book or a Manga series. Because there's so much that comes together to bring an animation to life. Fantasia is literally a movie that's all music and hand drawn art. An entire story is told without a word spoken except for narration. THAT.. Is the peak of an Animation. To be able to tell a story without a single line of dialog but only brush strokes.
Ok this has to mean something. I was having a conversation with my Dad yesterday about what my true passion was. I thought it was going into IT but I’ve always loved to create. Be it videos, graphics, etc. I spent the entire day yesterday, really thinking about whether or not I truly want to go through with it, and this kind of solidified it, thank you Mr Mark
X-Men ‘97. Scavengers Reign. Blue Eye Samurai. My Adventures With Superman. Arcane. Caped Crusader. I’m a huge anime/manga guy but we’re in a great era for animated series in general. Anyone recommend another great animated series’s currently going?
Primal, Green Eggs and Ham, Invincible, Monkie kid, Rise of the TMNT (ended but still underrated). Cartoon Saloon have underrated films like Wolfwalkers and The Breadwinner.
@@saucymongoose7246 I need to watch Primal, I love Genndy’s other series. Also Rise and 2012 are the two best TMNT series and I say this as someone who grew up on the 87 and 03 show. Love Invincible and I’ll check out the others, thanks!!
The perception of animation as a kid's medium is just as prevalent as the perception that comics are a kid's medium which is why in the west people tend to get up in arms when either of these artforms attempt to cater exclusively to an adult audience. Successful projects in either medium that handle their subjects maturely are looked upon as outliers, but a time when either is fully embraced as "equal" to other forms of media is still a ways off, and probably not going to happen in my lifetime. Most people who watch superhero films, for example, will say that the Spiderman: Into the multiverse film is perhaps the best Spiderman film out there, but if all the people who claim to like superhero films actually went and saw it when it was released that film would have easily made over one billion at the box-office. The only reason it didn't was because it was animation.
I'm actually so disheartened to see comics looked down upon. There are some truly great comics that aren't even in the superhero genre, like The Sandman, Sweet Tooth, IZombie and Swamp Thing.
I would argue Spiderverse is actually an example of animation becoming more respected. The first one didn’t do amazing, but it had a very strong streaming presence, which resulted in the (imo worse) sequel doing pretty damn well, especially at a time when many movies in general were not. I know people that normally don’t care about superheroes or animation rave about that film. I do think the general opinion about animation is shifting to a more positive one. It’s going to take a long time, but I’ve noticed a trend where the best animated movies (Inside Out 2, Spider-Man, Puss n Boots 2, Boy and the Heron) are doing really well while many of the cash grabs (aside from minions) are faltering. People are being more savvy about the movies they’re seeing, and well made animated films are still making big bucks. There is respect for the medium, and I think that respect is growing
This is why I get so annoyed when people constantly go on about live-action adaptations. As if somehow everything else is inferior and must strive to become live-action or have a "superior" live-action version to its name. It doesn't. And I'm sick of Hollywood or whoever trying endlessly to make things like Avatar The Last Airbender, Dragon Ball, or Lion King into live-action. The latter being completely impossible - which is why it was 3D animation pretending to be live-action.
Its really disheartening that even the higher ups of the juggernauts of animation still view animation as "just for kids". Hopefully those fossils get replaced soon
What I think would really help it is if more money went to the US Department of Arts. There's a reason why most of the cartoons are outsourced to other places (Canada, Australia, Ireland, Philippines, South Korea), and that is to get tax credits and funding. There's a really good video by Doodley on it: ruclips.net/video/1bHEV9UyMOg/видео.html There's an upcoming animation worker strike coming in the weekend, and there's also Harris and Walz running for President and Vice-President respectively, who, in the past have allied with unions, and could have more control once they win the election. We could bring the need to fund the US Department of Arts to help with credits.
I grew up in Africa, and we (ppl in general) love to talk about values but irl you barely see those values enacted. It is in anime that I truly understood some of those values. I can remember watching Olive et Tom (Captain Tsubasa) and asking myself why he calls the the ⚽️ his friend. Lol
I’ve been watching you for years and I love the way you dive deep into every topic you discuss. Truly, you are the only content creator I can consistently come back to and never be disappointed. Super excited about your Mha review and I hope you enjoy it
When you said “Scavengers Reign can’t be live action” I screamed “YES”. And there’s a bunch of things that can’t or shouldn’t be because they work so well in the medium, doing it any other way just won’t hit the same. Akira is a prime example of this. So grandiose and stylish, it’s made for the page, or for very rich animation. This is why I hate the idea of live action anime/video projects. Because it’s almost like Hollywood thinks those mediums need them to be cool, and they couldn’t be more wrong. There’s no limit to what you can do in animation, and that’s part of what makes it so special.
I saw that old adult swim short so long ago and it was so weird but mesmerizing. Thanks for telling us about that Scavengers Reign show from the same people. I didn’t even notice it come out.
thank you so much for talking about scavengers reign, it's soooo good!!! it needs as much love as possible, shows like that are shows I've wanted to see since I was a kid trying to study animation in middle school. that and carol at the end of the world
Haven't seen Scavengers Reign but I do hope anime and animation is more respected in the future by the west more and more also I know this video isn't about this but to me somethings story is always gonna be more important to me than somethings animation quality
Mark, I really appreciate the time and effort you and your team put into these videos. This is easily my favorite channel on RUclips. Amazing work as usual!
I recently started watching scavengers reign and it's been such an amazing experience. I wasn't able to stop and binged it all in one go. Most creative world I've seen in animation.
The fundamental difference between animation & live action is that live action is grounded in reality, but struggles to express itself, while animation is innately expressive, but struggles to feel real. They are 2 sides of the same coin. Animation is vivid, wacky, zany, colorful, wild, imaginative, and stunning beyond belief. The hardest things for animators to achieve are heavily nuanced, human-like movements, and the immaculate detail & speed involved in real world actions. Such things come naturally in live action filming. Whereas live action directors struggle to build phenomenal looking sets & costumes, animation can create whatever the human mind can imagine.
Thanks for this, Not Mark! I've been saying this for nearly two decades now. Animation is a method of storytelling, and we all know that storytelling isn't limited to children's books. I will now stop doing that and just give them this video to watch :) SR was astonishing and a critical accomplishment in Western animation. Anyone who loves sci-fi NEEDS to see this.
For me the suspension of disbelief is believing that animated characters feel real. To make renders/drawings/puppets feel tangible to an audience is always what impresses me with stuff like Studio Ghibli and The Iron Giant. It’s actually amazing how many animated films feel more real than CG stuffed Live Action.
I literally stopped the view and watch the entire show then came straight back, ngl that show was absolutely stunning and so is this video. I love and appreciate every single video you do and all the effort you put into informing and revealing new things to us. Someday I hope I can be apart of something that people can be passionate about in the way that you've been with your consumption of these mediums.
Honestly, this just makes me want to go back to work on art, storyboarding and try again in animation. Just because it gives me a warm hopeful amazement to push the border to show it's an amazing medium ❤
Oh my god.... This is literally the most incredible recommendation I have ever recieved. Thank you so so much for letting me know about this intensely beautiful and profound piece of art. I was so utterly blown away.
I can't help but feel like people forget that a lot of there is a lot of animation in live action as well. Yes there is a lot of special effects and just static backgrounds, but some one has to animate godzilla. Some one has to animate Megatron. Sure it is vastly more costly than 2D or dedicated 3D style movies to get the detail necessary for a suspension of disbelief, but it really shows how important animation is. How common it is also highlights how little Hollywood wants to use real life cinema to its strengths though... Ultimately my point is that we often forget about the efforts of 3D animators in big budget movies and how impossible those movies would be without them. Unless some one wants to make rubber suits that also allow full human movement and a likely way more expensive to utilize a team of special effects artists... edit: just to make sure if someone brings it up, mo-cap itself is an animation art form. A lot can go wrong if you don't know what you are doing.
Here’s another for the list: localization and accessibility. Yes any show can be subbed, and yes you can try to dub live action shows but it will immediately snap suspension of disbelief in half. But animated media has been dubbing successfully for years - and while some may say fight tooth and nail for sub over dub supremacy, you cannot understate the power of voice. Dubbed and properly localized shows are able to tap into multinational audiences - just look at the most successful anime of all time and how they are able to quite literally speak to peoples from all walks. And moving beyond preference, dubbing enables you to reach blind/low vision audiences, children, and busy adults who consume media while multitasking or too tired to read squinty subtitles. And while yes, more voice actors costs more money, expanding your total audience also represents the potential for more revenue aka: money. So take that to the fancy suits at the top as another check in the favor of animation
So I decided to check out Scavengers Reign since you recommended it so strongly. I finished it this morning and it was amazing! Easily one of the best animated shows I've seen since Arcane.
Huge shout out to Monty Oum. An animator and anime nerd that really pushed RoosterTeeth from videogame videos to high level animated tales like Red vs Blue and RWBY. His major work from 2007-2015 (his early and premature passing) really set the stage for works like this. Of course there are much more prominent people but few, if anyone, really understand the work he did to make animation known as a medium. Dang, l need to watch Halo vs Metroid again. RIP
Godzilla Minus One had a budget of $16 million and won an Oscar for visual effects. Hollywood needs to figure out how to trim the fat on their productions if they want to continue with live-action. Yes, G -1 had a very small scope with most of the CGI budget going strictly to the big guy himself, but at the same time Toho clearly knew what needed a lot of money and what didn't.
If you're an animator or have tried animation you'll notice the extensive use of animation fundamentals in scavengers reign which is basically what sets animation apart from live action
Never heard of Scavenger's Reign, but appreciate the video I feel a certain way about the visual novel medium and how underappreciated it is and how sad it is that it seems to be perishing.
Amazing video, definitely gonna check out Scavenger's Reign, but I couldn't help mentioning the fact that I think I heard Verboten Domain track from Ender Lilies, such an underrated game
"....in am industry that would rather cast white folks in stereotypical & historically problematic caricature based makeup, effects & the like. All because they don't wanna pay anyone who wasn't a white guy." There fixed it!
really glad to finally see some big coverage on this show, really love this show and it holds a special place in my heart, i hope more can enjoy it as i have
I enjoy animation, as it is what made me pursue it as a career. It feels wonderful to see others talk about how great it is, seeing how far the artists push themselves to create various animated projects for the world to see, and what audiences may get from them with the stories that’s being told. As an artist and animator myself, that is something that I continue to work towards.
personally I think your video is better written than SR was but I agree the animation and imagination were absolutely mind blowing and I hope it leads to a larger trend of experimental western animation
Animation is my preffered medium. It is capable of achieving artistic expression that cannot be imitated through any other way. It is holistically intentional, something that cannot be said about any other medium that spans time.
i always try to put your videos in the background while i play something in my second monitor but i always fail miserably lmao props to your team for always sucking my attention in
Made 5 movies by hand that were suppose to be in animation but the media hates art and wants it as a tool. Don Bluth enjoyed my story VX Super Force and liked art I had. My things may be still art based but they are fun, and different works many people failed to understand.
I will be making more art movies for anyone who want to see some different things and enjoy new and great ideas. Had to work on many sketches and visuals and plan ahead.
You'll gonna love the "Synergy" a society/survival/enviromental management game that it is in early access currently but the art style and alien world is very similar to "Scavenger's Reigh".
Animation as a whole is doing much better these days, but it's still no where near where it should be. So it's good that companies like Pixar seem to be finding their groove again, and Dreamworks The wild robot looks like it'll be fantastic. More people are understanding that animation is not just for kids, but also if a animation's story IS aimed at kids that it's no excuse not to give your best effort. And people that grew up on movies and shows like that are now old enough to help make that more clear. I especially want voice actors to start getting the respect they deserve.
This is why One Piece DESERVES the Wit studio remake. I’ve always felt as a OP manga reader that the anime never did it any justice and actually ruins and cheapens it to a mediocre level. It’s a different experience for me. when I watch other series I often think to myself the unimaginable heights the story could have with an adaptation that not only stays true to the reader’s experience but also gives it life, colour, fluidity and music. I believe Oda’s story to be one the greatest pieces of fiction and so a proper adaptation is appropriate
Animation is my favorite medium. The amount of creativity that can come about from it is insane. My favorite being hand drawn animation so it's been disappointing to see so many american animated TV shows being so lackluster in animation in animation quality. Anime still does great and the occassional warner bros cartoon are still well animated with hand drawn animation
Walt Disney himself stated:
" You're dead if you aim only for kids, adults are only kids grown up anyway."
So it's quite sad to see how many people only view animation as something aimed for kids,may it be regular viewers or corporate higher ups who have little to no respect for the things they create unless it provides profit to them
The phrase “animation is cinema” has been run to the ground so much by corporate accounts who don’t know the meaning and it’s unfortunate
Well said mai minakami
"cinema is animation" I fixed it!!1+!!!!1+!!!!
Fr, some many people wanna use this quote for any animated movie that’s above average
Katzenberg, itchin' to replace animators with AI, Zaslav canning Coyote VS Acme for no reason, they're GD ghouls man, you right.
literally 2nd time i've ever heard it, lol.
as an animation student i really just love everything EVERYTHING about scavengers reign. its everything i want to see in the future of the medium
i agree im no animator nor do i pretend to know alot but just seeing how fluid and beautiful it is while telling such stories its something almost no other medium can do. and ii hope one day your art work for animations gets light shone on it by people like mark
Is it scary at all?
@@keyblader007yeah, nothing super scary but stuff that will make you kinda tense up, except one episode, you’ll know it when you see it lmao
@@keyblader007the scariest part is there’s no season 2 yet
I love when works tell stories that wouldn’t work in any other medium. Scavenger’s Reign for animation, Saga for comic books, The Stanley Parable for video games, etc… In my mind, they take full advantage of their mediums in a way that very few others could even dream of!
You should read Kill Six Billion Demons. It’s free and an amazing comic
+Berserk or Vagabond for manga. Also, I would say that *The Eternaut* is also another unadaptable comics.
@@kingace6186 I know it's a controversial opinion but we should consider the paneling more than the actual quality of the drawing, so paradoxically, imho, something like Chainsaw Man, Witch Hat Atelier, God's Child are manga that can't be transposed into an anime aesthetically speaking (but that doesn't mean the adaptation will be bad, but they can't restore the genius that is there)
While for Berserk, animated films like Akira and Redline demonstrate that even something like Berserk can be made, even if it would take decades to do it well
@@pac710 Witch Hat Atelier mentioned🎉🎈🎊!!! And I definitely agree, which is why I've been a bit nervous about an anime. The way Kamome Shirahama plays around with visual storytelling by manipulating her panels is simply awesome in the truest sense of the world. Her art, and Scavenger Reign, have both filled me with childlike wonder.
And Spider-man, as a broadway musical theater...
I hope to see the day when animation is a respected medium.
In what way is it not already?
@GaryCrant Non Eastern animation, aka Cartoons/animated series and movies.
It's not for a lack of effort from artist it's just because of corporations lack of respect for the median.
I think it's respected as a medium and as an artform, but by people who already respect cinema itself as an artform and not just disposable entertainment. People will say that animation is cinema, but they're saying it to an audience today that doesn't even know what cinema is and believe that cinema is anything that makes a lot of money at the box-office.
@@saucymongoose7246 Lion King, Up, Ratatouille, Wolf walkers, into the spiderverse and many more are all well respected
@@GaryCrantTo an extent those movies are respected but ultimately they're still seen as only "Kids media" something only kids can enjoy instead of everyone regardless of age.
Scavengers Reign is one for the most terrifyingly beautiful show I’ve seen. This deserves new seasons
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If only i could watch it
@@larrywave it’s on Netflix and Max
@@TheArtofJohnKelekele yeah in North America and British isles
I should take this opportunity to remind everyone that the Animation Guild is currently preparing to strike. Soon, animators across America will be fighting for better working conditions, fair wages, and most importantly, protection of their jobs and hard work from generative AI.
So if you love shows like Scavengers Reign, PLEASE JOIN THE FIGHT! Otherwise, we may never get something so beautiful ever again.
translation: we're going to be seeing a lot less animation and a lot more low budget live actions
As long as people like David Zaslav run things - people who look down so bad on animation they would simply discard entire series and films as tax payments... I find it hard to believe in a bigger rise of animation. The belief that people will show up more for live action things than for animation is far from gone either. It's hard to change the mind of people...
The first show I saw that made me feel this way was Made in Abyss. Absolutely breathtaking animation, world building and design, and musical accompaniment with a story and characters that keep you gripped and will shock you to your core. If you haven’t seen Made in Abyss yet mark, I promise you, you will fall in love with animation all over again
Mark uses a clip from Made in Abyss at 5:56
It truly is such a fantastic show but the one thing that stops me from fully appreciating it is the pedophilic imagery. It wasn't that bad in S1 but it got worse in Dawn of the deep soul and season 2
Very happy to see more people singing the praises of Scavengers Reign, excellent video.
Really appreciated how you emphasized how certain aspects of a medium have less limits doesn't automatically or even necessarily equal is cheaper/easier.
I'm a games animator. I provide life to the playable and non playable characters in computer games, aswell as the environment.
Without animation, you just have a camera flying around an interactive museum.
Animation is the breathing and life of games. It's personalty, it's story and it's immersion.
I wish more big channels would talk about this show, it deserves the recognition.
So happy you’re covering this show! I have been screaming praise for it to anyone who would listen!
The animation is beautiful, fluid, and smooth as hell. The characters are fantastic, but the world, the world is stunningly alien and achingly unique.
There are words like “Anemoia”, “Hiraeth”, or “Fernweh”, that describe a sort of nostalgia for a place that doesn’t exist or you’ve never been to. I think they fit this show incredibly well.
It is a shame what they’ve done to the animation team, but hopefully Netflix can pull through and give them what they need for a second season!
Find Mars Express if you want more adult animation. It's sci-fi, just not aliens
Animation is also why i can't get into a Comic book or a Manga series. Because there's so much that comes together to bring an animation to life.
Fantasia is literally a movie that's all music and hand drawn art. An entire story is told without a word spoken except for narration.
THAT.. Is the peak of an Animation. To be able to tell a story without a single line of dialog but only brush strokes.
Ok this has to mean something. I was having a conversation with my Dad yesterday about what my true passion was. I thought it was going into IT but I’ve always loved to create. Be it videos, graphics, etc. I spent the entire day yesterday, really thinking about whether or not I truly want to go through with it, and this kind of solidified it, thank you Mr Mark
That's awesome man, I hope your dad supports you in your creative pursuits. I'm sure you'll make something great one day!
X-Men ‘97. Scavengers Reign. Blue Eye Samurai. My Adventures With Superman. Arcane. Caped Crusader. I’m a huge anime/manga guy but we’re in a great era for animated series in general. Anyone recommend another great animated series’s currently going?
Primal, Green Eggs and Ham, Invincible, Monkie kid, Rise of the TMNT (ended but still underrated). Cartoon Saloon have underrated films like Wolfwalkers and The Breadwinner.
@@saucymongoose7246 I need to watch Primal, I love Genndy’s other series. Also Rise and 2012 are the two best TMNT series and I say this as someone who grew up on the 87 and 03 show. Love Invincible and I’ll check out the others, thanks!!
@@CrowTRobot pretty much any of the 26 trio
Pantheon on prime video but is region locked to australia and new zeland.
I'm really hoping that Totally Not Mark covers Arcane. He loves organic interactions, and juxtaposition, and Arcane is full of that!
Scavenger's Reign is a must watch, it's so amazing and beautiful.
The perception of animation as a kid's medium is just as prevalent as the perception that comics are a kid's medium which is why in the west people tend to get up in arms when either of these artforms attempt to cater exclusively to an adult audience. Successful projects in either medium that handle their subjects maturely are looked upon as outliers, but a time when either is fully embraced as "equal" to other forms of media is still a ways off, and probably not going to happen in my lifetime.
Most people who watch superhero films, for example, will say that the Spiderman: Into the multiverse film is perhaps the best Spiderman film out there, but if all the people who claim to like superhero films actually went and saw it when it was released that film would have easily made over one billion at the box-office. The only reason it didn't was because it was animation.
I'm actually so disheartened to see comics looked down upon. There are some truly great comics that aren't even in the superhero genre, like The Sandman, Sweet Tooth, IZombie and Swamp Thing.
I would argue Spiderverse is actually an example of animation becoming more respected.
The first one didn’t do amazing, but it had a very strong streaming presence, which resulted in the (imo worse) sequel doing pretty damn well, especially at a time when many movies in general were not. I know people that normally don’t care about superheroes or animation rave about that film.
I do think the general opinion about animation is shifting to a more positive one. It’s going to take a long time, but I’ve noticed a trend where the best animated movies (Inside Out 2, Spider-Man, Puss n Boots 2, Boy and the Heron) are doing really well while many of the cash grabs (aside from minions) are faltering.
People are being more savvy about the movies they’re seeing, and well made animated films are still making big bucks. There is respect for the medium, and I think that respect is growing
This is why I get so annoyed when people constantly go on about live-action adaptations. As if somehow everything else is inferior and must strive to become live-action or have a "superior" live-action version to its name.
It doesn't.
And I'm sick of Hollywood or whoever trying endlessly to make things like Avatar The Last Airbender, Dragon Ball, or Lion King into live-action. The latter being completely impossible - which is why it was 3D animation pretending to be live-action.
Scavengers reign was a good watch months ago thanks for talking about it totally not mark
'Was a good watch months ago'? What does this mean? Do you think it doesn't age well or that mark took too long to cover it?
@@mitcharendt2253 I’m saying that because the first season came out and it took mark months ago to review it
@@watchforever1724Godzilla had a stroke while reading that and fucking died. 💀
A different type of video but it has the same important commentary that I love from your videos . Keep up the hard work Mark! So close to 1 mil!
Its really disheartening that even the higher ups of the juggernauts of animation still view animation as "just for kids". Hopefully those fossils get replaced soon
I usually use the argument "live-action is for kids" as a way to counter against this.
@@missplayer30that’s what I do too
What I think would really help it is if more money went to the US Department of Arts. There's a reason why most of the cartoons are outsourced to other places (Canada, Australia, Ireland, Philippines, South Korea), and that is to get tax credits and funding. There's a really good video by Doodley on it: ruclips.net/video/1bHEV9UyMOg/видео.html
There's an upcoming animation worker strike coming in the weekend, and there's also Harris and Walz running for President and Vice-President respectively, who, in the past have allied with unions, and could have more control once they win the election. We could bring the need to fund the US Department of Arts to help with credits.
I grew up in Africa, and we (ppl in general) love to talk about values but irl you barely see those values enacted. It is in anime that I truly understood some of those values. I can remember watching Olive et Tom (Captain Tsubasa) and asking myself why he calls the the ⚽️ his friend. Lol
I’ve been watching you for years and I love the way you dive deep into every topic you discuss. Truly, you are the only content creator I can consistently come back to and never be disappointed. Super excited about your Mha review and I hope you enjoy it
When you said “Scavengers Reign can’t be live action” I screamed “YES”. And there’s a bunch of things that can’t or shouldn’t be because they work so well in the medium, doing it any other way just won’t hit the same. Akira is a prime example of this. So grandiose and stylish, it’s made for the page, or for very rich animation. This is why I hate the idea of live action anime/video projects. Because it’s almost like Hollywood thinks those mediums need them to be cool, and they couldn’t be more wrong.
There’s no limit to what you can do in animation, and that’s part of what makes it so special.
Animation definitely matters! Is amazing ❤❤❤
I saw that old adult swim short so long ago and it was so weird but mesmerizing. Thanks for telling us about that Scavengers Reign show from the same people. I didn’t even notice it come out.
I wish more people talked about Scavenger's Reign, it was such an amazing show. I really hope we get a 2nd season 🤞
thank you so much for talking about scavengers reign, it's soooo good!!! it needs as much love as possible, shows like that are shows I've wanted to see since I was a kid trying to study animation in middle school. that and carol at the end of the world
Wow a different video on the channel
Haven't seen Scavengers Reign but I do hope anime and animation is more respected in the future by the west more and more also I know this video isn't about this but to me somethings story is always gonna be more important to me than somethings animation quality
Mark, I really appreciate the time and effort you and your team put into these videos. This is easily my favorite channel on RUclips. Amazing work as usual!
I recently started watching scavengers reign and it's been such an amazing experience. I wasn't able to stop and binged it all in one go. Most creative world I've seen in animation.
The fundamental difference between animation & live action is that live action is grounded in reality, but struggles to express itself, while animation is innately expressive, but struggles to feel real. They are 2 sides of the same coin. Animation is vivid, wacky, zany, colorful, wild, imaginative, and stunning beyond belief. The hardest things for animators to achieve are heavily nuanced, human-like movements, and the immaculate detail & speed involved in real world actions. Such things come naturally in live action filming. Whereas live action directors struggle to build phenomenal looking sets & costumes, animation can create whatever the human mind can imagine.
Thanks for this, Not Mark! I've been saying this for nearly two decades now. Animation is a method of storytelling, and we all know that storytelling isn't limited to children's books. I will now stop doing that and just give them this video to watch :) SR was astonishing and a critical accomplishment in Western animation. Anyone who loves sci-fi NEEDS to see this.
For me the suspension of disbelief is believing that animated characters feel real. To make renders/drawings/puppets feel tangible to an audience is always what impresses me with stuff like Studio Ghibli and The Iron Giant.
It’s actually amazing how many animated films feel more real than CG stuffed Live Action.
I literally stopped the view and watch the entire show then came straight back, ngl that show was absolutely stunning and so is this video. I love and appreciate every single video you do and all the effort you put into informing and revealing new things to us.
Someday I hope I can be apart of something that people can be passionate about in the way that you've been with your consumption of these mediums.
Honestly, this just makes me want to go back to work on art, storyboarding and try again in animation. Just because it gives me a warm hopeful amazement to push the border to show it's an amazing medium ❤
Oh my god.... This is literally the most incredible recommendation I have ever recieved. Thank you so so much for letting me know about this intensely beautiful and profound piece of art. I was so utterly blown away.
Great video! Thanks for making it and sharing the perspective. Using Scavengers reign as a reference point was very wise
I can't help but feel like people forget that a lot of there is a lot of animation in live action as well. Yes there is a lot of special effects and just static backgrounds, but some one has to animate godzilla. Some one has to animate Megatron. Sure it is vastly more costly than 2D or dedicated 3D style movies to get the detail necessary for a suspension of disbelief, but it really shows how important animation is.
How common it is also highlights how little Hollywood wants to use real life cinema to its strengths though...
Ultimately my point is that we often forget about the efforts of 3D animators in big budget movies and how impossible those movies would be without them. Unless some one wants to make rubber suits that also allow full human movement and a likely way more expensive to utilize a team of special effects artists...
edit: just to make sure if someone brings it up, mo-cap itself is an animation art form. A lot can go wrong if you don't know what you are doing.
0:24 Ah, that Devil Survivor 2 music took me by surprise. Patrician taste
23:47 - 24:09 THIS IS BEAUTIFUL, one of the reason I am learning animation , it is just marvelous, infinity freedom
Mars Express deserves to be included in that list of amazing adult animation
Here’s another for the list: localization and accessibility. Yes any show can be subbed, and yes you can try to dub live action shows but it will immediately snap suspension of disbelief in half. But animated media has been dubbing successfully for years - and while some may say fight tooth and nail for sub over dub supremacy, you cannot understate the power of voice. Dubbed and properly localized shows are able to tap into multinational audiences - just look at the most successful anime of all time and how they are able to quite literally speak to peoples from all walks. And moving beyond preference, dubbing enables you to reach blind/low vision audiences, children, and busy adults who consume media while multitasking or too tired to read squinty subtitles. And while yes, more voice actors costs more money, expanding your total audience also represents the potential for more revenue aka: money. So take that to the fancy suits at the top as another check in the favor of animation
So I decided to check out Scavengers Reign since you recommended it so strongly. I finished it this morning and it was amazing! Easily one of the best animated shows I've seen since Arcane.
I don't know if it will ever happen but I really would love to see @totallynotmark do a review of Mushishi
Huge shout out to Monty Oum. An animator and anime nerd that really pushed RoosterTeeth from videogame videos to high level animated tales like Red vs Blue and RWBY. His major work from 2007-2015 (his early and premature passing) really set the stage for works like this.
Of course there are much more prominent people but few, if anyone, really understand the work he did to make animation known as a medium.
Dang, l need to watch Halo vs Metroid again.
RIP
so glad you watched this show, it quickly became one of my favorite sci-fi shows i’ve ever seen
1:08 that zoom out Look Back cut gave me chills, i don't think I've seen it yet in the trailers I've watched
Scanveger's Reign looks like what Strange World (Disney Movie) should have been
Correction Del Toros Pinocchio came out in 2022. I know because bunch of other Pinocchio projects came out that same year as well.
Godzilla Minus One had a budget of $16 million and won an Oscar for visual effects. Hollywood needs to figure out how to trim the fat on their productions if they want to continue with live-action. Yes, G -1 had a very small scope with most of the CGI budget going strictly to the big guy himself, but at the same time Toho clearly knew what needed a lot of money and what didn't.
For the casting section, I would have added how Ash stayed 10 years for God knows how long 🤣🤣
If you're an animator or have tried animation you'll notice the extensive use of animation fundamentals in scavengers reign which is basically what sets animation apart from live action
Well done on this episode. Great editing.
Never heard of Scavenger's Reign, but appreciate the video
I feel a certain way about the visual novel medium and how underappreciated it is and how sad it is that it seems to be perishing.
Mark we better get a video on Invincible sometime. We need you to see the Mark you could have been
Amazing video, definitely gonna check out Scavenger's Reign, but I couldn't help mentioning the fact that I think I heard Verboten Domain track from Ender Lilies, such an underrated game
14:10 "there is no in making sure the voice talent looks a certain way". Unfortunately some studios and viewers did not get that memo.
"....in am industry that would rather cast white folks in stereotypical & historically problematic caricature based makeup, effects & the like. All because they don't wanna pay anyone who wasn't a white guy." There fixed it!
really glad to finally see some big coverage on this show, really love this show and it holds a special place in my heart, i hope more can enjoy it as i have
I see someone talking about Scavengers reign, I like the video. That easy.
Just saw you were on the podcast with Destiny. Feels bizarre knowing you as an anime channel for years since I first saw the power level series.
I prefer animation over all forms of other media
I enjoy animation, as it is what made me pursue it as a career. It feels wonderful to see others talk about how great it is, seeing how far the artists push themselves to create various animated projects for the world to see, and what audiences may get from them with the stories that’s being told. As an artist and animator myself, that is something that I continue to work towards.
Couldn't really get into Scavenger's Reign. Might have to do a rewatch to appreciate it more during a 2nd viewing
Paranoia Agent is also an example of this. Couldddd it be live action? Possibly. But it’s perfectly designed for the way it is.
I was not expecting this but it was a great insight to how animation's really thriving. Might check out Scavengers Reign too
Yes a video about animation 🎉🎉
This show reminded me of Made In Abyss. Same types of creatures and same pacing. Truly remarkable anime.
personally I think your video is better written than SR was but I agree the animation and imagination were absolutely mind blowing and I hope it leads to a larger trend of experimental western animation
Animation is amazing. It's one of the most versatile mediums and deserves a hell of a lot more respect than it gets.
YES! This show is amazing!
Welp, adding Scavengers Reign to my list.
It's so danm good
I would’ve never in a million years thought you’d talk about Scavengers Reign. Absolutely fantastic show!
So sad that HBO Max doesn't know what's a good show and cancelled it. Please Netflix give us more
Scavenger's Reign is in Netflix. Perhaps I should take the time to watch one episode of it to see how great it is.
Holy carp the coincidence that I just started watching Scavengers Reign last week
Will be coming back to this video later just in case of spoilers
Animation is my preffered medium. It is capable of achieving artistic expression that cannot be imitated through any other way. It is holistically intentional, something that cannot be said about any other medium that spans time.
I'm happy for new content
Watching this after Lextorias' video feels like a video essay trilogy collaboration that's bound to happen.
i always try to put your videos in the background while i play something in my second monitor but i always fail miserably lmao props to your team for always sucking my attention in
Made 5 movies by hand that were suppose to be in animation but the media hates art and wants it as a tool. Don Bluth enjoyed my story VX Super Force and liked art I had. My things may be still art based but they are fun, and different works many people failed to understand.
I will be making more art movies for anyone who want to see some different things and enjoy new and great ideas. Had to work on many sketches and visuals and plan ahead.
I just finished Scavenger's Reign on KaiserNeko's recommendation and now it is mine.
Scavenger's Reign's a really great show. ❤
Animation is my favorite artistic medium. Shows like Arcane and movies like Spirited Away only cement this.
You'll gonna love the "Synergy" a society/survival/enviromental management game that it is in early access currently but the art style and alien world is very similar to "Scavenger's Reigh".
love scavengers reign! great video
16:16 Hilariousy enough, every time I saw that clip, I felt for this guy’s knees
Animation as a whole is doing much better these days, but it's still no where near where it should be. So it's good that companies like Pixar seem to be finding their groove again, and Dreamworks The wild robot looks like it'll be fantastic. More people are understanding that animation is not just for kids, but also if a animation's story IS aimed at kids that it's no excuse not to give your best effort. And people that grew up on movies and shows like that are now old enough to help make that more clear. I especially want voice actors to start getting the respect they deserve.
This is why One Piece DESERVES the Wit studio remake. I’ve always felt as a OP manga reader that the anime never did it any justice and actually ruins and cheapens it to a mediocre level. It’s a different experience for me. when I watch other series I often think to myself the unimaginable heights the story could have with an adaptation that not only stays true to the reader’s experience but also gives it life, colour, fluidity and music. I believe Oda’s story to be one the greatest pieces of fiction and so a proper adaptation is appropriate
I was not expecting to see Scavenger's Riegn here, but it is very much welcome! Shame we aren't getting any more of it :(
Animation is my favorite medium. The amount of creativity that can come about from it is insane. My favorite being hand drawn animation so it's been disappointing to see so many american animated TV shows being so lackluster in animation in animation quality. Anime still does great and the occassional warner bros cartoon are still well animated with hand drawn animation
Been saying this for so damn long, thank you for confirming I’m not crazy. Another beautiful video Mark! Bravo!!!
We will not stand for Hugh Jackman slander!!!
Great video. Definitely gonna check out Scavengers Reign
I just watched scavengers reign so this is perfectly timed lol
man it would be sick to see you cover both the movie and manga for AKIRA
mark i love you and hate to be that guy but EGGHEAD WHEN
You should check out the setting of Numenera, both the Tabletop RPG and the video game if you love this weird setting