Battleship Central Positioning Example #2 - Yamato
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- Опубликовано: 4 июн 2020
- Another BB game where I focus almost exclusively on my positioning and choices I make to maintain it. Once again one of the key focuses is the central position on the map, and how to adapt such a position to a vulnerable BB like the Yamato.
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That Volley at 10:10 was something else. This game could've easily been another 50-80k more damage with some more favorable RNG, but it does show how to deal with such terrible RNG, just keep your positioning flexible and don't stop firing. Eventually your guns will have an impact.
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How did you even comment even before the date of the video itself?
Would be nice if you could make a video on aiming. Is the game still lagging?
@@quangduongang6230 RUclips doesn't track everything perfectly.
The main prob is that u need someone to push in caps for you. Imagine playing a central BB when everyone is camping. It's always the same thing: u need a DECENT (not necessarily good) team
@@shadowclaw1157 oh hell no, that thing would make me want to uninstall right now
Thank you so, so much. I found Yamato so painful to play, being constantly burned to death, among many other things. I'd basically given up on BBs, when I saw this video and thought "I'll give it a try" and suddenly all my time spent playing Yamato suddenly clicked, and I got my highest damage record so far (a little over 200k)
@@TheBattlefieldSource Maybe, but trust me, no better place to position ur 9x460mm monster.
I love this series! This educational style of video is great.
Agreed. Whole I like more.action intensive gameplay too and it is probably easier, I find these videos the best.
Agreed, it's just pure knowledge, not trying to force an agenda blindly bt instead showing it in action explaining why it works and what are the advantages to the tactic.
Agreed. BB players are notoriously irrelevant, resulting in most match outcomes.
@@psmith6166 Wrong - BB players are very much relevant to any match outcome... mostly when said outcome is a loss... Hopefully this series would help to make some of them relevant in wins as well.
"Flamuu": I dont understand why so many BBs throw away their ships ramming
"BB Player": Haha Very honorable!
its a musashi player...could easily be a noob with little experience or just an idiot
Much Honorable. Maybe watch too many banzai charge.
Noob? The ship has been unavailable for over a year.
@@Threesixtyci people can take breaks
BB players : honorable
Me : *WITNESS MEEEEE*
Thanks so much for these videos. Dropped off playing BB's because I thought the gameplay was getting boring. Tried playing my BB's in centre yesterday and haven't had so much fun with WOWS in ages. You're the best!
For me it wasn't exactly boring and more of you get spammed by HE(fires) and can't do shit against CVs(most of the time)
2 videos back-to-back in such a quick succession?
What a day!
your engagement with that ohio is pretty much every engagement i have with broadside on ships in my bbs. full broadside, more or less in a straight line, and all i get is 0 dmg pens, bounces, overmatches, misses.
also, every time you turn while spotted, i'm all "if i do that, i'd be dead."
These 0 damage pen shots are just BS in this game... 🤮🤮🤮
When Flamu plays like this, it's great. When I play like this, I get reported by the entire team for not being bow in and not getting burned to death.
i ve taken the same approach when playing bb and it works most of the times but got a couple of objections : 1st is that you count on your other potato bbs to go 1-2 9-10 lines so you are the crossfire, 2nd bb guns are so untrustworthy/rng based most of the times that crossfire goes to the thrash and 3rd and last is that when you spawn on the edge of the map you somewhat have to be that potato bb on 1-2 9-10 nose in or else you cls there have no tank and will eventually fold the whole flank. what i find most people lack in this game, besides skill and knoledge of the mechanics, is patience and they dont stand their ground either fleeing from pushers or pushing themselves to get dmg early on and thus games lately are defined in the 1st 10 mins max. keep up the good work there , gl on the 100k
Yet again SUPER GREAT VIDEO. I say this again (like JB video) u can learn aiming, u can learn all the small things bcause u get response asap u make mistakes. Positioning is not those small things.
Excellent series. The not obvious gem of this series is sitting angled stern in rather than bow in with your battleships. Being stern in allows you to disengage when the HE spammers try to melt you, which allows you to take a more aggressive central position without always getting focused down. Very helpful advice & much appreciated.
I'm loving these BB positioning guides. It definitely helps with learning how to effectively play a BB and put the most pressure on the enemy team.
one of the best how to video you ever made! very glad to be able to learn from it. Thank you so much!
Very nice, I could easily see your flow of logic, I feel I learnt a lot about how to adapt your position to both your teams position, and the enemy teams position and taking advantage of teams going wide and how to place your ship prior to an enemy push
Really useful guide as I'm currently learning how to play this ship. Thanks Flolo!
This is what you excel at Flamu and these are by far your best vids and what makes you unique. I have played the game many years but I am humble enough to know that I can always learn more, and with you I learn shit loads. Keep it up buddy.
Very nice demonstration of maximizing map control with a top tier BB.
I consider myself a very experienced battleship player, but I never fail to watch these videos and absorb more knowledge, different points of view from people who know what they are talking about are always great for improving gameplay performance...
Amazing tutorial, we need more skilled players passing down skills tips in such an easy to understand and follow (also able to see exactly what you are talking about) guide. I really like the fact that this guide is also across the Battle ship line, which is feeling more and more like a dead line these days. Thanks for all the hard work you are putting in to these guides, I hope there will be more to come and hopefully someday some guides down the other ship styles.
Cheers!
I'm glad to have this beacon of skill of a video I can point people to when I need to. I try not to be too aggressive in suggesting people watch this, but at least having something to recommend is good. Ty for the series, its been very informative for me, as well.
Yamato is a great ship for slow rolling into a fight with it's insane 26k range. It's a ship you want to take your time with but not end up like that one guy backing up all game in it (we all have THAT guy in a Yamato every game).
With the turrets moving so slow (especially with legendary equipt), just take your time moving into engagements. Try and angle yourself towards a fight with all your guns, be the last guy in so you don't get HE farmed because it's hard to turn this boat around. The 457s presence on the map from the middle should cause ships to always be paying attention to you or be punished. Lastly, always try to help your team help you; target those radar boats as much as possible. You basically overmatch everything and get penetration on all these cruisers, so shoot them and help your destroyers out to move more freely.
4 Pen 0 Damage. Absolutely perfect.
99,2k subs only 800 more and you reach a well deserved 100K and a youtube shield! GG Flamu! I would love a new how to play Scharnhorst video since last u did it was over 2 years ago!
Thank you for the educational videos. This is what the WOWs community needs.
This is perfect, i literally just bought the yamato. Very helpful. :D
Same here lol!
Welcome to the gang
same bro i was looking for any vids on yt to help
My condolences.
yep, welcome to the gang
but sadly legendary modules can't be achieved by normal quest right? cmiiw
I was waiting for this one🤩🤩
I was having a lot of trouble with Yamato and its citadel, this video is a godsend
Dream came true! Thanks!
cant wait for more episodes on this !
Thanks Flamu for this video :D
Blap blap ! Thanks for another great vid
Flamu, those educational videos are the best. Positioning is key, would love to see more for active cruisers (not just island huggers).
Isn't this match a while ago!!?
Love to see it again btw. Great vid, thanks for the tips also
Thanks for these "Tips and Tricks" videos! I'm very glad to see a second one. Will this become a series? I hope so! I tend to shy away from playing World of Warships, because I don't do well in games.
Flamu teaching the player base since 2015. Majority of player base goes like: Nah, this is too hatd. Ramming speed.
HAH! That volley on the Ohio is literally the story of my life of every broadside battleship I see that isn't a N. Carolina and the Kremlin can just take my paycheck on every other day of the week! Still, very fantastic video and I think I'll take all these to heart. I've always tried to play the flank heavy battleship that stretches to the farthest side to help that entire half of the map so I play ships like Republique, Yamato and Montana that way with only my repubs showing any desirable results. But this video opens my eyes so maybe I can finally achieve that Battleship Tier 4 Emblem I want so bad.
Thank you for your lessons enjoy your videos please keep it up and Thank you.
Great video, the Yamato and the GK are my two favorite ships, but I have always had problems positioning them.
watching flamu in yamato is just so satisfying
Hey Flamu! Apparently on the NA server, lots of people have been watching/listening to your positioning tips, 'cause whenever I take the central position I am always fighting 3 other BBs and half the enemy team for a good spot. In all seriousness though, thanks for the masterclass on better playing.
Very good and thorough central positioning guide, Flamu. Thank you, will definitely make adjustments to my play style.
BB mains, here's some food for thought ;)
Even with the legendary mod, Yamato's vertical dispersion is not Thunderer grade. Because of that and taking into account ballistic properties of IJN BB shells in general you may want to consider aiming just a tiniest bit higher than usual relative to the waterline (the amount of this vertical correction will of course depend on the distance to the target, you surely know what I mean) when trying to punish those broadside dealing potatoes :)
Flamu, you are a monster :) what a game :)
I actually recently used central positioning with the Yamato with a division mate to create cross fire shots for most of a game. We came out of that with double krakens. Was great fun and a good demonstration at how central positioning can give you a lot of power as a BB on some maps! Still gotta improve my own gunnery though for better damage results.
thank you this was so helpful>>>
Good video!
Please keep making educational vids on positioning. It's such a difficult skill but also so important.
Even though I don't play BB´s I find this series very educational! Would love it even more whenever you decide to do the same for the different Cruiser Classes (smoke, Radar, HE spammer, etc). I find that misplaying cruisers can be extremely punishing (e.g. that Mino in the vid) and detrimental to the team given the amount of support cruisers should be able to provide.
Whilst I would by no means consider myself an expert on the topic, when I first started playing WOWS I decided to start my grind with Royal Navy Light Cruiser as my first tree. I am now close to completing the Russian LC tree and found that both need very careful consideration as to what targets to engage given the "paper armor" and deletion potential both of these trees have in common (Pre Moskva at least).
Therefore, insightful positioning/movement guides like this video for cruisers would be a huge benefit for the community in my opinion. Hope you'll consider it and keep up the good work! :)
Slava returned to testing with a buff to it's heal and nerf to it's armor and AA. Guns didn't change. TY WG, exactly what the playerbase needed, a sniping BB
I was great series! I would like to see that in current meta
AAAA i'm so helped by this since i Yammy is my main T10 BB
Center is love, center is life
Amazing game...as always. I love Yamato, but sometimes what happened to that Drake happens too often to me...But, I'll try to improve my aim. Nice commentary
GG! Roon kicked ass too
Yamato in ww2: worlds biggest battleship built and a threat to the allied navy
Yamato in wows: floating citadel
Most Sinops in Ranked really need to watch this video!
A VERY useful video. Recommended to all these guys that cry on forums "Yamato doesn't hit, doesn't pen, doesn't tank, doesn't win" :)
Would love to see how to play a BB in Central position on the Ocean map and Tears of the Desert map or how to play a BB at all in those maps.
Central BB positioning is vital, but its important to understand that central positioning only pays off if you have ships anchoring the flanks. If you are a BB and you spawn on the far flank, dont abandon your flank to take mid position unless your flank is well supported and the situation warrants it.
U are a beast!
Flamu, would you like to make a video about Bayard? Next Ranked season will be held at tier 8, so I just wondered whether to get it. As an "excellent" (at least imo :P) light cruiser player I will definitely play Cleveland ('cause radar ofc), but in case, I'd like to have an extra ace up my sleeve :)
Awesome video btw
Thank you for explaining such good positioning. I’ve tried to use islands etc for cover in the centre but always get blatted by that bb that I never saw. I really appreciated you talking more about positioning in a “sluggish” ship like the Yamato. I am a DD main but I’m trying to do bb and cc. I do better as a bb. But I still struggle to keep my 50% win rate. The cv rework really hurt my win rate. And the radars before that. So I really appreciate you going into central positioning more. Please add more common bad examples because I’m confident you will explain why I keep getting blapped from random and bizarre angles 👍👍
Or farmed by HE when I’m in a central position 🤦♂️
I'm going to ask a dumb question because I enjoy this little series you got here. In terms of positioning, when do you know to start disenguaging. This is one of the hardest things for me as I tend to realize that I need to disenguage only far to late and I end up perminantly commiting. Other then that I never realized the central posititon was so strong and I appreciate the content.
lol i just try it out in the same map in random battle and it works great, i got a confederate and a solid 178k damage with Yamato, usually i often go to one flank with Yamato and i could only dealt about 100k in Yamato, so thanks a lot Flamu
What I like about flamu is he has common sense, not like the majority of the players.
owowo that lovlay graphics
Minotaur with the legendary Notser captain
Great video. Possible to do a bb positioning in ranked? I find it quite challenging as I feel pressured to really be aggressive and support dd’s in ranked, but either end up over extended or isolated using either sinop or nelson (though I find nelson a little easier to sit back as it’s quite slow)
I haven't watched the video yet but I played a match recently with my Amagii against a Yamato and the T9 german BB. The Yamato just stayed back never moving (wasn't afk) and just watched his team push, die, get pushed back, and then finally died because he never supported his team. He solely could have turned it into a win for his team as I was the only BB on the side of the map facing a T9 and T10 BB. Yet through slow pushing and using islands I helped push my team to victory.
Hoping you could do this for other tiers as well; I'm currently on the North Carolina (close to Iowa though) and wanna see how this works for when I (inevitably) get uptiered.
GO FOR A GLORIOUS RAM!!!!!
This water is so beautiful
Love your vid Flamu, quick question here, does central positioning work for short range ships like Kremlin or fragile ships like Thunderer? Thanks.
please please educate MOAR! We need more ppl get better! Thank you Flamu
Hi Flamu! Thank you for the great video! I don’t know if you will reply but I just have one question. When you put your bb in the middle position, do you prefer to position your ship forward or in a backward kiting position so you can get away when more people start to shoot at you? Given ur bb has a good backward shooting angle. I will really appreciate it if you can answer this.
GK Next?:)) Good stuff, btw! Have a nice weekend!
Oh, GK, that poor thing should be put out of it's misery at this point.
just play kremlin krappa
Honestly, the GK isn't even that bad. You have to know when to push in without getting overextended. Everyone fears the Germans so the map control they provide is incredible.
In ranked sprint, I played the GK and just sat in the middle of the map and most teams were too afraid to get close to me, so we took the cap and won. That is the true strength of the German battleships. They will be feared by everyone
@@lennartmeinke8861 nah
yep id like to see if he plays GK central the same way. Personally i think it cant be played central due to limited range. Because of range and the guns angles i personally play it like a battlecruiser and on flanks
As ever, you're murder. Bravo.
I almost always have trolly rng in the Yamato, gg Flamu
- Say he is having bad RNG
- Immediately cits the NC
I totally support and like what you are doing because I'am also a battleship player. And I really get bored because of my team mates doing absolutely nothing but yolo into one cap, get destroyed and call me useless trash because I was in a central position in my Yamato.
I would like to know how to get that smoorh sea? what are those settings? thank you in advance!
I play not often, but after a bit of playin i got the GKfürst. And i often push to the boardes of the map to flank enemy ships, in the mid i am He spammer and DD food every time.Can you show how play with gk? (similar to that here, i know but still)
Hi Flamu. This is very useful info for potatoes like me. May I suggest a series featuring how to play specific ships vs specific maps? Maybe how to Des Moines in Ocean? I know that is potentially a lot of videos... but if you've run out of ideas, this might be something you might think about doing.
Can we have some German battleships positioning coz I grinding that line in my other account and I'm struggling a lot.
I too would like to see this but on lower tier ships as well
Get the Bismarck and the line becomes great. Anything before the Bismarck is suffering. There is no positioning with Bismarck. You pick a flank, go there and even if you mess up and overcommit you can run away cuz you won't take citadel damage like Yamato due to turtleback. For the first few minutes use Bismarck to shoot enemy mid range 12-15km usually, then as you see either your side collapsing (and other flank in your team winning) or enemy side collapsing on your flank you then go yolo in. Use islands and such to catch enemy off guard and brawl them. Good thing about Bismarck is its agility. I almost feel like playing a cruiser when I play it due to its turning ability.
To be honest even after Bismarck, it is still suffering.
Bismarck suxs until it's fully upgraded. Also regardless of its immunity to cits,, pins cause tons of damage to it, including pins from HE.
Personally I get better results with secondary builds with the Bismarck.
I don't force myrself in using the secondaries ... I just play normally, and wait for ships to come within the 11.3 activation range, preferably with the stern facing them.
@@Threesixtyci every tier 8 except, you guessed it, the Soviets, suck when stock but Bismarck is one of those ships that suck less than others when stock
I mean 64500 hp is not bad when you will have ships like odin and champagne which have 50k hp
@Flamu can you upload more videos where you are in maps with this much of islands in one of the sides or maybe both? would like to see how much oportunitys and how you create them when dealing with this. Also can you upload one or two in epicenter mode? i think epicenter is the name of the game mode when the 3 caps stay in the mid of the map.
On my way to become Super Unicum with Zucker Papa Flamu.
One thing I always did wrong was pushing too far in. I always thought that pushing "in" literally means "into the caps". I drove my BBs into the caps way too early, causing easy crossfires for the enemy and therefore very quick ways to find myself killed. I kept doing it because people were complaining that I wasn't making use of my tanking ability if I didn't drive into the caps. So driving close to the caps in a central position is the way to go?
Is it possible to use something similar with a cruiser like the japanese line cruisers? is it worth it?
Finally. I got into a discussion on Reddit explaining most of what you said here. They all cried because I wasn't a team player for not pushing, like I was a GK. Telling Yamato is the best at mid to long range (with legendary), because you overmatch everything so you get overpens all the time.
I can finally rub this videos against their face with the most I told you so. Sad I won't be able to see the shame faces.
Also, the turret traverse is so slow that aiming at the moving target at close range would be suffering. Kremlin may do a better job at close range though. And I think Yamato's dispersion shines when it comes to longer ranges. Still remember my very first game in her where I land shells on a CV at max range :)
1:20 - Survivability Expert Yamato for the win!
Flamu is here providing such good content and giving so many good hints and tips on how to play BBs but I still play Secondary build Yamato...
No wonder my win-rate with Yamato is very low
Does being in the middle work on the Deuce Freres map?
Tried centrally positioning in JB for your last video, Did get a few more citadel opportunities but got focused and destroyed by T10's. I think I prefer flanking in it with it's speed and pushing in to bow tank, Seems to work better for that ship at least for me.
Could you do one of these with the North Carolina I just got it an wanna know to play centrally with it
Should I even bother to grind out 5 Tier Xs for the Research Bureau at this point or just focus on getting Yamamoto and wait and see what they do to the legendary modules?
Your Roon deserved a compliment
I have to ask. How did you get unsporting conduct for shooting down an allied aircraft? Never seen that before
Have they upgraded the graphics ? i havent played for quite some time but it looks really different then i remember.
I love how often you say "... to support my DD." This is something lost on so many BB drivers. They think capping is just all about DDs, and when their DD dies it must have been the DDs was outplayed. Or if the DD isn't capping, they'll say "DD do your job and cap" while they sit 15km behind the cap and/or hiding behind an island because "omg torps/HE spammers".
Very few ppl can carry when BBs aren't doing their job.
I've been seeing RUclipsrs doing that backwards position a lot over 2020 videos. In 2020 I started kiting in the Yamato so I'm curious if the tactic is still viable in 2021 and if camping or kiting is more productive in game. Now I want to experiment with my Yammy.
How do you get an unsporting conduct penalty from an allied plane????