Tamiya's separate fin and fillet section is done for modularity: P-47D-25 has no fillet, P-47D-27/D-30 and P-47M have it, P-47N has enlarged fillet comparable to the latter ones.
I just find it interesting (for lack of a better term) how Trumpeter was criticized and lambasted for the fuselage and wings of their kits being full of rivets and now it's "modern technology"? As for panel lines, the MiniArt looks a little deeper than Tamiya. Not sure it'll be that noticeable once painted and weathered. Kind of reminds me of the Academy P-47N versus the old Pro Modeler P-47N. The Pro Modeler panel lines and rivets aren't as "refined" looking as the Academy kit but I can attest that after building both of them, they're also both very acceptable. I also think the price should be taken into consideration but lets face it, neither kit is cheap by any means. I'm just glad I already have more than enough P-47's (20+ and mostly Hasegawa actually) that I won't have to worry about buying another $50-60 USD kit. ;-)
I am not sure who criticized such stuff :D And also another question is the actual precision of riveting. Nevertheless, I would be for having rivets instead of applying them manually. Did this procedure with Zero model from Tamiya, and it was enough for me XD
@8:58 The Sprue attachments on the engine wiring(?) right between those fine "spokes" I can guarantee I would break them off just by looking at them! 🤣🤣
Miniart is for masochist. Miniart models are a chore to build. Tamiya models are a pleasure to build, and when built by competent modelers will compare favorably.
@@dsv Because it's true? Tamiya models are popular for a reason- they're reasonably priced for what you get and they're actually FUN to build. And they don't have you pulling your hair out like kits from other companies. I've made Miniart models just because they make subject matter no one else does. But if given a choice between an aggravating, over engineered kit that's a slog or something that's a joy to build I'm picking a joy to build every time. But you rivet counters need some love too, so Miniart has you covered.
Le travail de MiniArt est très beau, quoique les rivets me paraissent un peu trop accentués. Mais le kit Tamiya se défend encore très bien, notamment dans la comparaisons des détail du cockpit. Il faudrait regarder plus en profondeur les autres détails (supports des réservoirs ou bombes, baies des trains, types de roues...), mais MiniArt prend clairement l'avantage sur le moteur, les baies des mitrailleuses... Reste à voir la qualité des assemblages, le kit Tamiya étant très propre à monter (pour ma part je n'ai eu de vrais difficultés pour le joint sur la partie basse arrière du fuselage).
Le capot du Tamiya retrecit de 7.5 degres au lieu de 1... Et sa verriere est trop haute de 50mm a l'echelle, ce qui fausse l'angle du pare brise. Mini Art gagne sur tout les plans, sauf le choix d'helice...
If you have compared the Miniart kit of P-47D-25 and the cockpit floor is smooth (as in the video), this is an issue, because it should be corrugated, like the Tamiya's one. The smooth cockpit floor started with P-47D-30 sub-version (continuing with P-47D-40, P-47M, P-47N).
They are parallel to the ground on the Mini Art, not the leading edge, as they should be. I will note the Tamiya plastic guns were a touch too fat, almost requiring metal guns. The Tamiya leading edge inserts were well done, as this looks distinct on the real aircraft: I might borrow them for my Mini Art, just for that reason...
Some people have commented that the rivets are a bit overdone in the Miniart kit, they would not be that visible in real life. I am no expert so have no idea! However, under a coat of primer they might blend in and also under the camouflage. Still a very nice kit.
another important detail I have noticed, the Miniart canopy pieces also have rivet details inscribed, which is quite correct judging from photo references on the net, while the Tamiya kit doesn't appear to have any. @@dsv
I have the miniart kit, its really nice, the slightly rough surface is really perfect to be a good key for paint, the paint always needs micro meshing anyway. One noticable omission of the Basic kit is the two circular oil radiators found inside the cowling that are on either side of the central intake for some strange reason.
Good vid. I'd expect the new kit to be better than one molded in 1996. Not seeing it for the cost. But, I'm a P-47 tramp, so I'll buy at least one. Thanks!
BELLE RÉUSSITE DE MINIART POUR UN PREMIER MODÈLE. Reste que sa découpe et la réalisation des grappes en font un modèle pour des maquettistes plus experts tandis que la découpe TAMIYA a but de permettre a de nombreux maquettiste d’accéder au P 47 D . RESTE DONC A RETROUVER CETTE BOITE DANS UNE EDITION EDUARD AVEC LES PIÈCES MINIART & LA RÉSINE ET PHOTODECOUPE EDUARD .
The Mini art clear parts are far more accurate than the inaccurate Tamiya parts, which were far too tall and uncorrectable (I tried)... The Tamiya fuselage is also swollen into an unfixable tear drop shape, causing the cowling to widen at the rear, in plan view, and I have despised this kit for 20 years because of this. I am sure a dip in Gunze clear will improve the Mini Art clear parts... I consider the P-47 important, and the Tamiya kit was well overdue for replacement, especially when it is by a kit of this level.
I have the Tamiya P47D kit on my workbench and I am entirely disappointed with the fit of the major sections/parts. It also seems deficient in the parts count and over simplified for a 1:48 scale aircraft (it is an old kit now). I'll probably use it as a test bed for painting then bin it and order the Mini Art kit.
@@freemanreed5228 It's inaccurate and the fuselage is also tear drop shaped from above (see "Wings of Pegasus" for the corrective steps). Nothing whatsoever to do with fit: It's a cartoon representation, that's all.
Tamiya's separate fin and fillet section is done for modularity: P-47D-25 has no fillet, P-47D-27/D-30 and P-47M have it, P-47N has enlarged fillet comparable to the latter ones.
yes, you are right. :)
I just find it interesting (for lack of a better term) how Trumpeter was criticized and lambasted for the fuselage and wings of their kits being full of rivets and now it's "modern technology"? As for panel lines, the MiniArt looks a little deeper than Tamiya. Not sure it'll be that noticeable once painted and weathered. Kind of reminds me of the Academy P-47N versus the old Pro Modeler P-47N. The Pro Modeler panel lines and rivets aren't as "refined" looking as the Academy kit but I can attest that after building both of them, they're also both very acceptable.
I also think the price should be taken into consideration but lets face it, neither kit is cheap by any means. I'm just glad I already have more than enough P-47's (20+ and mostly Hasegawa actually) that I won't have to worry about buying another $50-60 USD kit. ;-)
I am not sure who criticized such stuff :D And also another question is the actual precision of riveting.
Nevertheless, I would be for having rivets instead of applying them manually. Did this procedure with Zero model from Tamiya, and it was enough for me XD
@@dsv lol......try doing it on a 1/48 B-24J. Ask me how I know. ;-)
@@jrgreiner exactly xD so I would rather have them premolded
Even though, I am not interested in P-47's , Miniart's kit totally out does Tamiya's kit hands down! Thank you for the comparison.
Thanks for watching! I think Miniart did a great job with this one :)
@8:58 The Sprue attachments on the engine wiring(?) right between those fine "spokes"
I can guarantee I would break them off just by looking at them! 🤣🤣
yeah, it might be tricky a bit :D
Miniart is for masochist. Miniart models are a chore to build. Tamiya models are a pleasure to build, and when built by competent modelers will compare favorably.
ugh, why everyone is pushing this stereotype? :(
@@dsv Because it's true? Tamiya models are popular for a reason- they're reasonably priced for what you get and they're actually FUN to build. And they don't have you pulling your hair out like kits from other companies. I've made Miniart models just because they make subject matter no one else does. But if given a choice between an aggravating, over engineered kit that's a slog or something that's a joy to build I'm picking a joy to build every time. But you rivet counters need some love too, so Miniart has you covered.
@@deathpallie I think it is also about experience, so not like one is good and another one is bad
Le travail de MiniArt est très beau, quoique les rivets me paraissent un peu trop accentués. Mais le kit Tamiya se défend encore très bien, notamment dans la comparaisons des détail du cockpit. Il faudrait regarder plus en profondeur les autres détails (supports des réservoirs ou bombes, baies des trains, types de roues...), mais MiniArt prend clairement l'avantage sur le moteur, les baies des mitrailleuses... Reste à voir la qualité des assemblages, le kit Tamiya étant très propre à monter (pour ma part je n'ai eu de vrais difficultés pour le joint sur la partie basse arrière du fuselage).
Le capot du Tamiya retrecit de 7.5 degres au lieu de 1... Et sa verriere est trop haute de 50mm a l'echelle, ce qui fausse l'angle du pare brise. Mini Art gagne sur tout les plans, sauf le choix d'helice...
If you have compared the Miniart kit of P-47D-25 and the cockpit floor is smooth (as in the video), this is an issue, because it should be corrugated, like the Tamiya's one. The smooth cockpit floor started with P-47D-30 sub-version (continuing with P-47D-40, P-47M, P-47N).
hmmm, maybe it was the wrong part then :/
One thing I noticed was the Gun Barrels of the Miniart kit look as if they are in-line with the Wing, where the Tamiya kit is correct.
I think this will be more visible on the finished model :)
They are parallel to the ground on the Mini Art, not the leading edge, as they should be. I will note the Tamiya plastic guns were a touch too fat, almost requiring metal guns. The Tamiya leading edge inserts were well done, as this looks distinct on the real aircraft: I might borrow them for my Mini Art, just for that reason...
Some people have commented that the rivets are a bit overdone in the Miniart kit, they would not be that visible in real life. I am no expert so have no idea! However, under a coat of primer they might blend in and also under the camouflage. Still a very nice kit.
exactly!
I think this is not a problem with layer of primer and paint over it :D
another important detail I have noticed, the Miniart canopy pieces also have rivet details inscribed, which is quite correct judging from photo references on the net, while the Tamiya kit doesn't appear to have any. @@dsv
@@Mike-mm4mx oh, that is a nice catch actually :)
I have the miniart kit, its really nice, the slightly rough surface is really perfect to be a good key for paint, the paint always needs micro meshing anyway. One noticable omission of the Basic kit is the two circular oil radiators found inside the cowling that are on either side of the central intake for some strange reason.
Good to know! :)
The 2 missing circular oil radiators are included in the advanced version of three kit. 😉
Good vid. I'd expect the new kit to be better than one molded in 1996. Not seeing it for the cost. But, I'm a P-47 tramp, so I'll buy at least one. Thanks!
this one will be cool to build for sure :)
Tamiya 1/48 is 2003, and the Hamilton prop is better on that kit (though the blades need thinning) as the Mini Art is too large by 5-6mm.
BELLE RÉUSSITE DE MINIART POUR UN PREMIER MODÈLE.
Reste que sa découpe et la réalisation des grappes en font un modèle pour des maquettistes plus experts tandis que la découpe TAMIYA a but de permettre a de nombreux maquettiste d’accéder au P 47 D .
RESTE DONC A RETROUVER CETTE BOITE DANS UNE EDITION EDUARD AVEC LES PIÈCES MINIART & LA RÉSINE ET PHOTODECOUPE EDUARD .
I guess Eduard will release some stuff soon :)
The Mini art clear parts are far more accurate than the inaccurate Tamiya parts, which were far too tall and uncorrectable (I tried)... The Tamiya fuselage is also swollen into an unfixable tear drop shape, causing the cowling to widen at the rear, in plan view, and I have despised this kit for 20 years because of this. I am sure a dip in Gunze clear will improve the Mini Art clear parts... I consider the P-47 important, and the Tamiya kit was well overdue for replacement, especially when it is by a kit of this level.
yeah, Miniart has all the chances to become the new Thunderbolt king :)
I have the Tamiya P47D kit on my workbench and I am entirely disappointed with the fit of the major sections/parts. It also seems deficient in the parts count and over simplified for a 1:48 scale aircraft (it is an old kit now). I'll probably use it as a test bed for painting then bin it and order the Mini Art kit.
Just received my Mini-Art kit and have found the canopy issues were corrected..
LMAO, the Tamiya kit is excellent!!!!! It's hard to beat and the parts fit extremely well!!!! You must have goofed up an excellent kit!!!
@@freemanreed5228 It's inaccurate and the fuselage is also tear drop shaped from above (see "Wings of Pegasus" for the corrective steps). Nothing whatsoever to do with fit: It's a cartoon representation, that's all.
🤝👍
The miniart surface looks rough. I’d rather have the Tamiya and rivet it myself.
rough in what sense? :D
Don't forget that those features will be softened with primer and paint layers