Ich staune wie authentisch Christian Thielemann ist. Ehrlich, offen und direkt. Das finde ich sehr imponierend. Auch wenn man Ihn auf der Bühne verfolgt, vor den Musiker, danach hier seine Statements und Ansichten verfolgt, Respekt.
Currywurst, Döhnoff Villa, Ostpreußen, house in Potsdam, Frederick the Great on the wall... The German attitudes are fun and give the performances a certain flavour. Main thing is he's a very good musician and can rehearse an orchestra.
....herzlichen Dank dem Dirigenten, toller Mensch .......höre/sehe ihn sehr gerne.........wunderbare Musik........ Karajan und jetzt Thielemann ......wunderbar.
als er als 16 jähriger Karajan sagte, dass er Dirigent werden wolle, sagte der, mach mal erst Abitur, dann melde dich wieder. bei mir. Genau so machte er es.
Slow and ponderous? Compared to whom? Klemperer? Most younger conductors do everything too fast. It takes maturity to realize that every note and every nuance contributes to the drama of the performance. I really like his Bruckner. I think it is dramatic and soulful. Haven't listened yet to much of his Beethoven but I will and make some comments.
It's not really ponderous compared with Klemperer. Klemperer doesn't make weird mannerisms in a way Thielemann does with Schumann's music for example, that sudden retardando that distorts the architecture of the music. But as a Wagner conductor there's no better conductor on the planet as of now.
I heard him conduct Wagner in Bayreuth, he received a prolonged standing ovation at the place that the audience has very high expectations. In my opinion he should have received the Position at Berlin but alas the always politically correct Germans gave it to a Russian. Oh well maybe someday they will come to there senses.
Not „the Germans“ voted against him in Berlin, but the orchestra had the last word to decide. Which makes sense. And the orchestra is pretty international
What about it? Should he have the King of German culture on the wall, or the portraits of Egon Krentz, Breznjev and Ullbricht on the wall, in order to satisfy your Left-tard feelings?...
Voor mij de beste Wagner performer van onze tijd, als voorbeeld kan ik iedereen aanraden Wagner Birthday Gala eens te beluisteren en met name zijn Rienzi interpretatie; Wagner had het niet beter gekund!
Unfortunately I don't speak any Dutch but since it's relatively close to German I understood what you're saying and I totally agree! Thielemann totally understood, what the music of Wagner is capable of!
truly a strong character with a deep understanding for what he is doing. but also kind of a "rampensau", meaning that he likes to present himself and his thoughts. i am glad he's a musician and not a politician because this way he can use his conservative thinking for good. his movements and general mindset could become a little more laid back and relaxed for my taste, but i guess that's something that comes with age.
Check this for me, please. Mr. C.T. probably has Sun Square Pluto, Mercury Square Pluto, or Venus Square Pluto (or any variation thereof, e.g., Venus 45* Pluto).
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+beerybs Wird neuerdings die Begabung eines Musikers an seiner Beweglichkeit gemessen? Hans Knappertsbusch hat sich kaum bewegt und war einer der begnadetsten Dirigenten!
Christian Thielemann, Richard Wagner, und Bayreuth, könnten so wunderschön sein. Leider werden die Stücke mit durchgeknallten Bühnenbildern, und oft nur drittklassigen Sänger/innen zum Provinztheater deklassiert.
Weshalb muss heute jeder seine Meinung öffentlich kundtun, wen man mag und wen nicht? Kann man nicht einen Künstler einfach existieren lassen, wenn mal will bewundern, wenn man will meiden!? Die Welt interessiert ob Ihr Thielemann mögt oder Kleiber bevorzugt soviel wie Eure Schuhgrösse, Eure Leibspeise oder Eure feuchten Träume...
ionarts.blogspot.com/2010/03/mahler-cycle-and-uncomfortable-silence.html The questions are for Thielemann and include: “What’s your relationship with Mahler”? “Why do you ask that?” CT shoots back, moodily. “Uh, oh… professional curiosity?” stumbles the journalist half cowed, half defiant. “Well, I have a troubled relationship with Mahler’s music. But then you knew that, which is why you asked, no?” Touché...
An ultraconservative German classical musician is going to be a hard pill for many to swallow because of history. Clearly he is not an easily accessible person, which is true of many people. Nonetheless, isn't it HIS choice to focus his professional effort where he feels it belongs.? Love or dislike any performer, he or she having spent years devoting their lives to a given discipline owe no one to do repertoire they don't like.
He said on several occasions (mostly on german media, I think) that for a long time he did not feel ready for Mahler‘s „fatalism“. He even sees a strong contrast to Wagner here, who despite the whole „drama“ in his mature operas always ends on a positive note of redemption or with a new beginning whereas in Mahler (as Thielemann once literally said) he hears/feels the absolute finality in the music (especially in his 9) und thought for a long time that he still was too immature to approach this music properly. ruclips.net/video/NFmQDmBuPwA/видео.html Here, Thielemann talks about Mahler in the beginning and compares him to Wagner and Bruckner (in English!).
A highly talented and an excellent musician but from another century. A guy from the past with the mentality of the past and an ultra-conservatism on a political, intellectual and musical level. That's why he'll never be one of the greatest conductors of his time. Klemperer, Furtwangler and the others were modern people back in their days...
+Friedrich Marx Uninspiriert? Er ist ein Kapellmeister in der positivsten Bedeutung des Begriffs! Ich mag Karajan nicht, aus diversen Gründen, aber Thielemann gehört für mich zu den größten Wagner-Dirigenten!
Cleanears He can play Parsifal or just any Wagner or Strauss opera from memory while he's studing a completely different opera at the same time. He did the germanic Kapellmeisterschule like the real german conductors used to do in the old days, conducting in Gelsenkirchen and Karslruhe before climbing slowly and surely upwards towards Nurnberg and Berlin, and you call him a FAKE? What about the market-products of today who do their first operas ever directly in La Scala or the Met jus cos they have tight connections?...
Thielemann cannot conduct Beethoven to save his life! it is so slow and ponderous. Thielemann cannot conduct Beethoven, Wagner, Brahms, Bruckner, and Schumann.
Alex Alien Emmm, interesting. So what can he conduct? Tchaikovsky? Verdi? Debussy? Or you can say it directly that he should not have become a conductor.
yu cao well considering that the Wagner family personally loves him as a conductor, Alex's critisism is pretty much made up out of thin air and solely based on personal preferences. I mean Beethoven is definitely not his "master section" in comparison to others as I'd call it. But I love him in the Bruckner - Wagner section and (in my opinion for ex.) nobody conducts the Tannhäuser Ouvertüre better than he does.
Thanks for your fair criticism. I just found it interesting that Internet seems to make “Criticism” a such cheap, emotional, irresponsible thing which make no meanings and worthless.
Thielemann ist eine echte "Persönlichkeit". Beeindruckend. Heutzutage sehr, sehr selten geworden....
Ein unwahrscheinlich hochtalentierter Mensch, volle Hochachtung vor seiner großartigen Leistung. Ganz wunderbar anzuschauen, Danke dafür. 10.10.022.
Hochachtung ! 👏 🙏 Wenn ein Dirigent nicht so brennt, hört man das. Toller Mann ! 🙏
🌹 Sehr berührend, wie Herr Thielemann seine Leidenschaft mit größter Freude aus vollem Herzen lebt. Wunderbar! Danke für dieses Porträt.🌹
Ich staune wie authentisch Christian Thielemann ist. Ehrlich, offen und direkt. Das finde ich sehr imponierend. Auch wenn man Ihn auf der Bühne verfolgt, vor den Musiker, danach hier seine Statements und Ansichten verfolgt, Respekt.
Currywurst, Döhnoff Villa, Ostpreußen, house in Potsdam, Frederick the Great on the wall...
The German attitudes are fun and give the performances a certain flavour.
Main thing is he's a very good musician and can rehearse an orchestra.
....herzlichen Dank dem Dirigenten, toller Mensch .......höre/sehe ihn sehr gerne.........wunderbare Musik........
Karajan und jetzt Thielemann ......wunderbar.
Ich stimme voll!
Danke für das porträt
Ihn zu erleben ist ein Erlebnis
Die Kulisse der Semperoper,
Untermalt die Atmosphäre
Wunderbar vielseitiges Portrait❗DANKE ❣
One of the greatest conductors for 21 century !
I saw him in Bayreuth Tetralogie !!!
A genius. The only romantic conductor left.
The sole worthy heir to Karajan, Bravo!
Thielemann ist ein guter Dirigent!!!!
Er hat nur eine kriminelle Dirigiertechnik. Sieht das niemand?
Thielemann hat offensichtlich eine riesige Vorliebe für Rugby-Shirts...
Ralle Lauren glaub ich.
...hatte!
Da war er noch unter den Jüngeren.
He is a great conductor
als er als 16 jähriger Karajan sagte, dass er Dirigent werden wolle, sagte der, mach mal erst Abitur, dann melde dich wieder. bei mir. Genau so machte er es.
11:40, Probe in Wien
24:55, Berlin
29:40, Karajan in Berlin
32:40, Palestrina Pfitzner
41:00. Besuch Strausses Hause
43:40 Baureuth
Funny thing...I have exactly the same collection of Rugby Jersies as him!
He make ne feel that es gibt noch möglichkeiten ein gut Dirigent heute Zu habe. .I was hopeless. . Danke
This Zarathustra opening is so majestic!
Slow and ponderous? Compared to whom? Klemperer? Most younger conductors do everything too fast. It takes maturity to realize that every note and every nuance contributes to the drama of the performance. I really like his Bruckner. I think it is dramatic and soulful. Haven't listened yet to much of his Beethoven but I will and make some comments.
+hornerinf Hear!!!
It's not really ponderous compared with Klemperer. Klemperer doesn't make weird mannerisms in a way Thielemann does with Schumann's music for example, that sudden retardando that distorts the architecture of the music. But as a Wagner conductor there's no better conductor on the planet as of now.
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I heard him conduct Wagner in Bayreuth, he received a prolonged standing ovation at the place that the audience has very high expectations. In my opinion he should have received the Position at Berlin but alas the always politically correct Germans gave it to a Russian. Oh well maybe someday they will come to there senses.
Not „the Germans“ voted against him in Berlin, but the orchestra had the last word to decide. Which makes sense. And the orchestra is pretty international
Ein sehr interessanter und vielschichtiger Mensch!
Bis auf ein Neues in Bayreuth!
Leider nicht mehr auf eine Curry' im Bier's!
außergewöhnlich
That painting of Frederick the Great, though.
What about it? Should he have the King of German culture on the wall, or the portraits of Egon Krentz, Breznjev and Ullbricht on the wall, in order to satisfy your Left-tard feelings?...
@@novagerio9244 I noticed it immediately and absolutely love the fact that a German can still be proud of their fantastic culture and heritage.
Das ist wunderbar !
Voor mij de beste Wagner performer van onze tijd, als voorbeeld kan ik iedereen aanraden Wagner Birthday Gala eens te beluisteren en met name zijn Rienzi interpretatie; Wagner had het niet beter gekund!
Unfortunately I don't speak any Dutch but since it's relatively close to German I understood what you're saying and I totally agree! Thielemann totally understood, what the music of Wagner is capable of!
Indeed, his interpretation of Wagner's music is amazingly good!
Melhor interprete de Beethoven de todos os tempos!
truly a strong character with a deep understanding for what he is doing. but also kind of a "rampensau", meaning that he likes to present himself and his thoughts. i am glad he's a musician and not a politician because this way he can use his conservative thinking for good. his movements and general mindset could become a little more laid back and relaxed for my taste, but i guess that's something that comes with age.
I wish I had silky hair like CT. Always in place; never standing up on end, grrrrr!! He doesn't have to use Brylcreem like Celibidache.
you do remember Carlos kleiber - yes you do. he was intensely beautiful, the dear man, and his hair too.
Maestro cuando dirije la musica de wagner me subo al Cielo
22:20 haha super! Hat sich das Bier aber auch wirklich verdient. :)
45.55 schade, dass das nicht mehr so ist. Ich vermisse dieses Bayreuth 😢
Chris - who were you talking about - regarding "kappelmeister"?
please, could somebody tell me the name of the part at 49:37 ??? TIA
It's Beethoven 7th Symphony 2nd Movement
@@filipporeutener9975 thank you very much
Wenn er Wagner, Bruckner, Strauss dirigiert: Elysium !
Wenn er Mozart, Beethoven dirigiert: nix wie weg !
Trotzdem, ein Großer.
Check this for me, please. Mr. C.T. probably has Sun Square Pluto, Mercury Square Pluto, or Venus Square Pluto (or any variation thereof, e.g., Venus 45* Pluto).
if he is not the best, if once of them
Was ist das für ein Stück bei 7:30?
Schöne Reportage! Ein authentischer Mensch.
Lg
Carina
Ich glaube es ist Bruckner's funfte, zweiter Satz
Richtig. Bruckner V Adagio
(große) Bäume in Ostpreussen 08:54
Wolken in Ostpreussen 07:50
Was ist das für ein Stück ab Minute 49 am Ende und Minute 50?
1. Das Ende vom „Rheingold“, Einzug der Götter nach Walhall
2. Beethoven’s 7. Symphonie
Beethovens 7., zweiter Satz
24:33
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Ein recht bewegungs-unbegabter Musiker.
+beerybs
Wird neuerdings die Begabung eines Musikers an seiner Beweglichkeit gemessen? Hans Knappertsbusch hat sich kaum bewegt und war einer der begnadetsten Dirigenten!
Naja, nicht im internationalen Vergleich, sorry.
Style so germain, so heavy...
So?
Ein Mann , nix für den woken Zeitgeist. Schönes Porträt....
Celibidache nachvolger?
Christian Thielemann, Richard Wagner, und Bayreuth, könnten so wunderschön sein. Leider werden die Stücke mit durchgeknallten Bühnenbildern, und oft nur drittklassigen Sänger/innen zum Provinztheater deklassiert.
Weshalb muss heute jeder seine Meinung öffentlich kundtun, wen man mag und wen nicht? Kann man nicht einen Künstler einfach existieren lassen, wenn mal will bewundern, wenn man will meiden!? Die Welt interessiert ob Ihr Thielemann mögt oder Kleiber bevorzugt soviel wie Eure Schuhgrösse, Eure Leibspeise oder Eure feuchten Träume...
Kapellmeister is good, but not searching or broad enough in approach for a major orchestra.
Will you hurry up, Opera Passione?
Will you shut up?
Eine der großen Entäuschungen bei den Dirigenten.
Doch lieber Kleiber, stimmts?
Im Gegenteil.
Ein Mann der Rosa tragen kann, ein Mann der sich durchsetzt, ein Mann der kompromisslos ist, das nenne ich einen richtigen Mann.
keinen Ton ohne meine Ringelpullis
🤣
Im Anzug sieht er besser aus
Nicht alle von uns können Deutsch sprechen. Untertitel bitte!
Wenn die Engländer anfangen Untertitel zu nutzen gerne
I never understood, why doesn't he like Mahler? why is he so reluctant to conduct his music?
Ich verstehe nicht... warum kommt er nicht mag Mahler?
ionarts.blogspot.com/2010/03/mahler-cycle-and-uncomfortable-silence.html
The questions are for Thielemann and include: “What’s your relationship with Mahler”? “Why do you ask that?” CT shoots back, moodily. “Uh, oh… professional curiosity?” stumbles the journalist half cowed, half defiant. “Well, I have a troubled relationship with Mahler’s music. But then you knew that, which is why you asked, no?” Touché...
An ultraconservative German classical musician is going to be a hard pill for many to swallow because of history. Clearly he is not an easily accessible person, which is true of many people. Nonetheless, isn't it HIS choice to focus his professional effort where he feels it belongs.? Love or dislike any performer, he or she having spent years devoting their lives to a given discipline owe no one to do repertoire they don't like.
He said on several occasions (mostly on german media, I think) that for a long time he did not feel ready for Mahler‘s „fatalism“. He even sees a strong contrast to Wagner here, who despite the whole „drama“ in his mature operas always ends on a positive note of redemption or with a new beginning whereas in Mahler (as Thielemann once literally said) he hears/feels the absolute finality in the music (especially in his 9) und thought for a long time that he still was too immature to approach this music properly.
ruclips.net/video/NFmQDmBuPwA/видео.html
Here, Thielemann talks about Mahler in the beginning and compares him to Wagner and Bruckner (in English!).
A highly talented and an excellent musician but from another century. A guy from the past with the mentality of the past and an ultra-conservatism on a political, intellectual and musical level. That's why he'll never be one of the greatest conductors of his time. Klemperer, Furtwangler and the others were modern people back in their days...
Wrong. he is one of the greatest!
@@karlheven8328 ok
He’s very inspired GERMAN conductor unique among the crowd Jewish conductors! And young!
Debería ir a un fonoaudiólogo, habla raro.
+Sergio Ariel Díaz Díaz No habla castellano. Habla un alemán de primera clase. Lo siento por vd.
+Novagerio Era un chiste, mostro. Seguramente cague dulce de leche; es de una raza superior.
er wirkt auf mich unglaublich arrogant und hart, auch wenn er ein musikalisches talent sein mag.
(Große) Künstler sind oft so.
@@wlrlel auch meine Erfahrung.
Den großen Künstler macht innere Härte aus, gegenüber sich selbst ebenso wie gegenüber anderen.
Nazi is not an artist in essence
Wir verstehen nix, null, zero, vacuum. Ich bin turist. Sprechen sie Deutsch? Nein, Ich lerne Deutsch.
Sara' pure bravo ma potrebbe tagliarsi i capelli in maniera diversa. Cosi non si puo' vedere.
Ma secondo te la musica si fa con i capelli, imbecille?
Wer kauft denn dem seine Klamotten !?!?
Mama.
so unmusikalisch !!!musiziert wie ein Beamter ....kann man nicht mit Petrenko vergleichen ....
Thomas Cesare Schön zu sehen dass hier viele Leute ihn nicht mögen...Diese Menschen haben einfach richtige musikalische Ästhetik...
Man muss ja auch nicht vergleichen.
Ein mediokrer Karajan-Zögling. Uninspiriert. Kapellmeister.
Sagen Sie mal, Warum?
+Friedrich Marx
Uninspiriert? Er ist ein Kapellmeister in der positivsten Bedeutung des Begriffs! Ich mag Karajan nicht, aus diversen Gründen, aber Thielemann gehört für mich zu den größten Wagner-Dirigenten!
Dann kennen Sie Tennstedt und Kleiber nicht. Und vor allem Böhm!
Sie sind alle tot!!!
Und? Trotzdem sind diese MEnschen unsere Referenzaufnahmen!
"Ostpreußen"?! Er hat irgendwie nicht verstanden, dass das Deutsche Reich nicht mehr da ist, oder?
Eine deutsche Sehnsucht, der man sich hingeben kann mit Gewinn.
A true fake!
Cleanears He can play Parsifal or just any Wagner or Strauss opera from memory while he's studing a completely different opera at the same time. He did the germanic Kapellmeisterschule like the real german conductors used to do in the old days, conducting in Gelsenkirchen and Karslruhe before climbing slowly and surely upwards towards Nurnberg and Berlin, and you call him a FAKE? What about the market-products of today who do their first operas ever directly in La Scala or the Met jus cos they have tight connections?...
+Cleanears Communist pig.
He belonged to the very right and conservatory party. No thanks
Thielemann cannot conduct Beethoven to save his life! it is so slow and ponderous. Thielemann cannot conduct Beethoven, Wagner, Brahms, Bruckner, and Schumann.
Alex Alien Emmm, interesting. So what can he conduct? Tchaikovsky? Verdi? Debussy? Or you can say it directly that he should not have become a conductor.
yu cao well considering that the Wagner family personally loves him as a conductor, Alex's critisism is pretty much made up out of thin air and solely based on personal preferences. I mean Beethoven is definitely not his "master section" in comparison to others as I'd call it. But I love him in the Bruckner - Wagner section and (in my opinion for ex.) nobody conducts the Tannhäuser Ouvertüre better than he does.
Thanks for your fair criticism. I just found it interesting that Internet seems to make “Criticism” a such cheap, emotional, irresponsible thing which make no meanings and worthless.
+Alex Alien youz haeta
Fuck you