Such bs to be honest. It's a minor nation tech tree with 4 planes at rank 7 (one being added recently with the Finnish sub trees) and they want you to have all 4 of those unlocked and bought so you can grind rank 8. Or just buy the premium draken.
because they’re CW guided. Same reason it’ll do it in non PD as well. The missile can sometimes distinguish between chaff and continue to the target if it’s CW guided.
I never bought into the sky flash hate since I switched from playing Sweden to America ever since they added the F4J, but I started grinding the Swedes again and good lord the Skyflashes will just never hit a competent pilot anymore and sometimes even bad pilots will dodge it anyway
The British Phantoms are a lot better when it comes to the skyflashes due to their radar being superior to the swedish viggen's radar, for some odd reason the PD on the viggens lock to chaff which never happens with any other PD, when it comes to SARH missiles it's not just about the missile but rather the radar on the aircraft a good example of this is the F4E in the American tree, which has aim7-E2s which is almost the same as skyflashes but it has terrible radar so you can't get kills alot, Also it depends how u use it, the skyflash is meant to be a short - mid range, realistically all your kills should be in headons or semi headons and fired at 2-5km and generally you get ur kills from that,
The draken and Viggen is considered as ahead of it's time. Draken first flight was 1955 and the Viggen was 1967 both prasied as ahead of its time but in this game.... Well Russia don't like to be bad so they make these planes carry around 60% of its total load and put some shit as* missles... I mean come on
"Is for some reason playing the Italian one" 😭 That's gonna be me because I'm way closer to getting the Italian F-16 than I am the American one. Plus it leaves me more time to research other stuff I want to research in the US tech tree than just gunning it for the F-16s.
about chaff locks its cause the enemy making gapclose between chaff and itself so if he is at a longer distance or the enemy going away from you the pulse doppler cant separate plane from chaff but no matter if if skyflash track the moving target instead of chaff
At top tier Viggen is behind in terms of flight performance but it has good nose athority unlike f16, lots of cm and aim9l of course. I dont think its a jack of all trades anymore as its flight perfomance in top tier is kinda lacking.
Air battles seem so fundamentally different on low and high br. I recently grinded swedish 4.3 air realistic to get to the sk60b and damnnnnnnn I never wanna ARB on that br again. Definitely something that makes me wish this game wasn't f2p so I could actually complain about the shitty game design and not think "well they want people to be frustrated to sell stuff".
Thoughts on the Mirage 2000? I nearly have it and want to know if I should GE the modules or just go to another tech tree (I like the Mirage 3E a lot).
Personally i’d skip the C. And the D isn’t really worth the grind considering you need the entire finnish sun tree. But as a swedish player you don’t have much a choice
Top tier air Sim is a lot more fun that RB. Even with the monstrous repair costs and lacklustre rewards Sim is still a much better alternative to RB. Only play ARB to get squadron points to max now.
Lol like how 9Ls are the best IR missiles with the good long-distance abilities meanwhile the R60s be hurting hard in every way but dog fighting.... also, now the 27T is not working as it used to so it's basically a long range and faster 9L but similar missile propulsion time and worse tracking, u can still flare it rather easily and ECCM does not work on it at all...
Seek. You should check out the strike viggen. 1. You clown on a10s 2. It's 10.3 with only 500kgf less thrust than the 11.0 viggen 3. Now you can take 1 flare pod, and 1 gun 4. The viggen coltist will creme their pants and stop whining
The AJ viggen is a lot of fun, I've been playing it recently and have been enjoying it way more than I thought I would. It's quite goofy in a 9.3 game. Not as good as the SMT or MF of course, but still a very good airframe at 10.3 and the gun is surprisingly easy to aim.
A very good plane in real life and it was kept up nicely with the "MODs" or Edits with various updates.. RB 99 being the main D edit though.. (AMRAAMs..)
It is only worth grinding the tree for the viggen or maybe the gripen in the future. All the other planes are mid and hard to play, plus Swedish vehicle are too expensive to repair for what they are (I'm looking at the J32/A32 and the the j/a29 series). So if you maybe get a premium like I did to skip the pain and play it until you get to like rank 7 be my guest
I love my Viggers))) That said I'd rather fly my 37C then grind 410k rp and then ANOTHER 400k for mods just to make the plane viable. Spading the 37C was bad enough. Still love the Viggen though.
Annoying that this is actually a JA37 C and the 37 C in game is actually either a B or a fictional variant as the only difference that's supposed to exist between the C and D is the D's ability to carry 120's. Yes the countermeasure pods behind the gear were installed on D's and not C's but the pylons were always there and the C does have countermeasure integration so if there was ever a requirement it did have the ability to mount them.
No this is still the D, they just didn't give it the AIM-120s yet. I think it will be one of the first jets to get the AMRAAM, it's already technically there in the files for Sweden as well.
@@GeneralLee2000 Yes but like I said as it doesn't have AMRAAM yet and the only difference between C and D is the D has avionics upgrades to be able to carry said amraam. The 'D' we have in game is closer to the real C than the 'C' we have in game which is pretty much a fictional variant in it's current form.
@@gregc9344 This has the avionics upgrades... so you don't think it's a "real" D then until it gets AMRAAM? Also have you submitted a bug report for the extra flares on the C model?
@@GeneralLee2000 What Greg tries to say is, that the JA37C should have the Aim 9Ls and Countermeasures the JA37D. So the D version we have rn is basically the real C version. The D version was basically only made to be able to use AMRAAMs which it doesn't have rn. Also the lack of more countermeasures and Aim 9Ls in the in-game C was already reported, however it was rejected due to BaLaNcE
@@adrfarling5503 Yes, they want to have vehicles at various BR steps... Just like how the F-4E, which carried AIM-9M, still has AIM-9J, since they want it to stay around 11.0. That doesn't make it not the F-4E anymore...
the only thing good about this is the 9L and the extra flares. thats it. for 11.7/12.0 its just average lol nice job gaijin, you managed to introduce 3 "mid" viggens
it is only for android and it does really work - your results will vary depending on what you’re willing to do though and how much time you spend on it
The GE app is a scam, please do not promote it EDIT: looked it up online, people have had mixed results. some of the tasks are annoying and designed to milk you, others aren't. So i guess it isn't really a scam, my apologies.
Still glad I stopped playing top tier air RB. Now I just mainly play top tier air sim and GRB / GSB. No hotas no trackir just me wits n mouse m keyboard
if u use GE for WT make an acc then take the invite code from that one, make a new one, and add ur own invite code so you earn double GE. sorry bro u aint getting 20% of this GE shit is hard to earn to begin with
Now the real question is, does it float on water and work like a jetski like the other Viggen did on release?
Having to grind the Finnish tree for this thing is insane.
I doing that same right now. I dont even have premium time :(
Same
It’s crazy… me and my buddy were chatting before the update about what if we have to grind Finland… on the vamp rn and jeez
I did it pretty fast with the J29D and having a blast now after the BR changes
Such bs to be honest. It's a minor nation tech tree with 4 planes at rank 7 (one being added recently with the Finnish sub trees) and they want you to have all 4 of those unlocked and bought so you can grind rank 8. Or just buy the premium draken.
I’ve noticed the sky flash still hits a decent amount of time even when your radar locks onto chaff do some reason
That’s a majority of the top SARHS. I haven’t myself tested the r27ers yet but I’m fairly sure they do as well.
because they’re CW guided. Same reason it’ll do it in non PD as well. The missile can sometimes distinguish between chaff and continue to the target if it’s CW guided.
@@bingesleeper7194 the the r27ers for sure do bud they slap it’s I haven’t played me mig 29 much but that’s because I love muh viggen
I have a video describing this same problem, I think it’s a glitch
@@bradentucker4854 I need to grind some more Russia lol! Just been lazy.
i'm eating a banana.
i gained huge respect for you after exposing Koala
???
@@spray916 ruclips.net/video/9KGB5B2yP6s/видео.html&si=EnSIkaIECMiOmarE
@@spray916 watch he's 2nd most recent vid
@@russell33313 How is this "exposing" him?
@@spray916how is it not?
I never bought into the sky flash hate since I switched from playing Sweden to America ever since they added the F4J, but I started grinding the Swedes again and good lord the Skyflashes will just never hit a competent pilot anymore and sometimes even bad pilots will dodge it anyway
The British Phantoms are a lot better when it comes to the skyflashes due to their radar being superior to the swedish viggen's radar, for some odd reason the PD on the viggens lock to chaff which never happens with any other PD, when it comes to SARH missiles it's not just about the missile but rather the radar on the aircraft a good example of this is the F4E in the American tree, which has aim7-E2s which is almost the same as skyflashes but it has terrible radar so you can't get kills alot, Also it depends how u use it, the skyflash is meant to be a short - mid range, realistically all your kills should be in headons or semi headons and fired at 2-5km and generally you get ur kills from that,
The draken and Viggen is considered as ahead of it's time.
Draken first flight was 1955 and the Viggen was 1967 both prasied as ahead of its time but in this game.... Well Russia don't like to be bad so they make these planes carry around 60% of its total load and put some shit as* missles...
I mean come on
Ever since the mig29's and such were added, the Ja37D feels like it just should be somewhere else.
"Is for some reason playing the Italian one" 😭
That's gonna be me because I'm way closer to getting the Italian F-16 than I am the American one. Plus it leaves me more time to research other stuff I want to research in the US tech tree than just gunning it for the F-16s.
I am shocked that I have not seen this channel before, definitely amazing work and commentary. +1Sub
about chaff locks its cause the enemy making gapclose between chaff and itself so if he is at a longer distance or the enemy going away from you the pulse doppler cant separate plane from chaff but no matter if if skyflash track the moving target instead of chaff
8:00 hey almost got you there
YEEEESSS WIGGEN VID YEEEEES
Finally you see that the thrust reverse canard configuration makes the superior fighter
Sweden is dominate
Viggen: Deluxe Edition
still cant get over how much this guy sounds like spookston but air
At top tier Viggen is behind in terms of flight performance but it has good nose athority unlike f16, lots of cm and aim9l of course. I dont think its a jack of all trades anymore as its flight perfomance in top tier is kinda lacking.
NOOOOOOOO WIGGEN VID NOOOO
8:00 (Inhales cigar*) Shhiieett
u can go throuogh the stock grind by playing the pve mode where u defend your base from ai
viggen cultists going crazy rn
Air battles seem so fundamentally different on low and high br. I recently grinded swedish 4.3 air realistic to get to the sk60b and damnnnnnnn I never wanna ARB on that br again. Definitely something that makes me wish this game wasn't f2p so I could actually complain about the shitty game design and not think "well they want people to be frustrated to sell stuff".
Thoughts on the Mirage 2000? I nearly have it and want to know if I should GE the modules or just go to another tech tree (I like the Mirage 3E a lot).
If we’re talking most competitive stuff, there’s honestly no point in grinding anything but US and USSR jets
If u have the 3E already then go for it , i think the next Mirage can carry 6 missiles whenever it comes
@@hemendraravi4787 Yeah, the Mk.2 could carry 6 missiles. Then it's nothing until the Rafale, which is at least one major update after the F-15.
@@stir-cc4jt yea and rafel , gripen n F2 won't come for atleast 1.5 years
Me during this vid: Wtf is this Sea Viggen?
I suppose I can halt my swedish hating grindset for a bit...
B- b- but seek! I had a 2v1 with an f16 and a mig 29 and I won! That means it HAS to be better than them!
Love how he says that not every game was he wiping the floor with the lobby and that there were worse games. Keep it real 🤙
I'm currently grinding swedish toptier. Is the ja37c worth playing at current meta? Or should i skip it and play the D
Personally i’d skip the C. And the D isn’t really worth the grind considering you need the entire finnish sun tree. But as a swedish player you don’t have much a choice
the c is worth playing it gets to fight a-10s and f-5c i might struggle a little in a uptier though
Thr C version is pretty okay/good after the recent BR-changes since you get downtiered pretty often
Now it gets a lead indicator as well
2:51 and I've had people in my comments yelling at me that "oh the 7f same speed and acceleration as 7e2 e2 isnt faster cope"
R-27ER is cracked, at least i dont face them often in the MLU
funny plane go brrrr
I thought this was a gripen and said when tf did gajin drop another patch
I wish GE for warthunder was on ios
Did I see that right, viggen has tws? I know it wouldn't be for the missile but tws track is God tier at finding the enemy.
it has had it for awhile now
Top tier air Sim is a lot more fun that RB. Even with the monstrous repair costs and lacklustre rewards Sim is still a much better alternative to RB.
Only play ARB to get squadron points to max now.
Ya sim Is fun i just wish we get an awacs that give radio comms. Atleast mention the general grid they are at.
@@hemendraravi4787 Even just airfield radar that points out enemies within the surrounding grids would be nice. AWACS would be very good.
Lol like how 9Ls are the best IR missiles with the good long-distance abilities meanwhile the R60s be hurting hard in every way but dog fighting.... also, now the 27T is not working as it used to so it's basically a long range and faster 9L but similar missile propulsion time and worse tracking, u can still flare it rather easily and ECCM does not work on it at all...
My god what the hell that segway was insane
Seek. You should check out the strike viggen.
1. You clown on a10s
2. It's 10.3 with only 500kgf less thrust than the 11.0 viggen
3. Now you can take 1 flare pod, and 1 gun
4. The viggen coltist will creme their pants and stop whining
nah its very mid.
only 2 missiles, trash gun pod oh and the missiles are 9Js.
The AJ viggen is a lot of fun, I've been playing it recently and have been enjoying it way more than I thought I would. It's quite goofy in a 9.3 game. Not as good as the SMT or MF of course, but still a very good airframe at 10.3 and the gun is surprisingly easy to aim.
A very good plane in real life and it was kept up nicely with the "MODs" or Edits with various updates.. RB 99 being the main D edit though.. (AMRAAMs..)
Viggers
What do you think, should I grind out sveden for the viggen if I like it(without premium wheicle and premium time)? (I am at tier 4 at sweden)
The Economy is pretty fucken bad if you can manage that it’s alright most of tier six is power crept to absolute shit tho
swedish jets are kinda bad besides the viggen
I’d sooner recommend the US and USSR trees
It is only worth grinding the tree for the viggen or maybe the gripen in the future. All the other planes are mid and hard to play, plus Swedish vehicle are too expensive to repair for what they are (I'm looking at the J32/A32 and the the j/a29 series). So if you maybe get a premium like I did to skip the pain and play it until you get to like rank 7 be my guest
@@ferrous3262 j35 op too if you know how to fly it
I love my Viggers)))
That said I'd rather fly my 37C then grind 410k rp and then ANOTHER 400k for mods just to make the plane viable. Spading the 37C was bad enough.
Still love the Viggen though.
COMMON VIGGEN W 🇸🇪🇸🇪🇸🇪
Annoying that this is actually a JA37 C and the 37 C in game is actually either a B or a fictional variant as the only difference that's supposed to exist between the C and D is the D's ability to carry 120's. Yes the countermeasure pods behind the gear were installed on D's and not C's but the pylons were always there and the C does have countermeasure integration so if there was ever a requirement it did have the ability to mount them.
No this is still the D, they just didn't give it the AIM-120s yet. I think it will be one of the first jets to get the AMRAAM, it's already technically there in the files for Sweden as well.
@@GeneralLee2000 Yes but like I said as it doesn't have AMRAAM yet and the only difference between C and D is the D has avionics upgrades to be able to carry said amraam. The 'D' we have in game is closer to the real C than the 'C' we have in game which is pretty much a fictional variant in it's current form.
@@gregc9344 This has the avionics upgrades... so you don't think it's a "real" D then until it gets AMRAAM? Also have you submitted a bug report for the extra flares on the C model?
@@GeneralLee2000 What Greg tries to say is, that the JA37C should have the Aim 9Ls and Countermeasures the JA37D. So the D version we have rn is basically the real C version. The D version was basically only made to be able to use AMRAAMs which it doesn't have rn.
Also the lack of more countermeasures and Aim 9Ls in the in-game C was already reported, however it was rejected due to BaLaNcE
@@adrfarling5503 Yes, they want to have vehicles at various BR steps... Just like how the F-4E, which carried AIM-9M, still has AIM-9J, since they want it to stay around 11.0. That doesn't make it not the F-4E anymore...
Ja37c is usually a pain but the ja37Dez ... The Dez is fun and extremely funny
is the mirage 2000 better than the viggen?
the only thing good about this is the 9L and the extra flares.
thats it.
for 11.7/12.0 its just average lol
nice job gaijin, you managed to introduce 3 "mid" viggens
I don’t mind it being 11.7 because you’re still going to be fighting mostly all the same stuff anyway. 11.0+
@@SeekerHead its fine at 11.7, its just mid
same thing as the JA 37C. that thing is fine at 11.0 but not really great either
F3D video next?
And now after aim-9L nerf is it a lot worse since 9Ls are basically the only real advantage over JA37C?
yup
@@SeekerHead i hope they add something to it this patch then, or lower it to 11.3 or something. Just got my 9Ls and they are not good :(
Viggenception im flying a wiggen D and watching your video about it
Maybe consider saying Charlie or something else than C in the future to avoid confusion. Otherwise great video!
Viggen W video
Common W video
What would you say is best between this and the f 16a in (air to air)
Definitely the F16
Just wanna let you know seek I’m gonna grind the Swedish tree now just because of you
I bind throttle down too CM drop so when I flare it takes me off AB
I started war thunder trying to grind sweeden, let’s just say it didn’t go well
Is the ge app only for android? And does it really work?
it is only for android and it does really work - your results will vary depending on what you’re willing to do though and how much time you spend on it
Asymmetrical loadouts>>>>
Honestly I might just buy the premium Draken at this point, I am suffering
I used it to do the whole swedish tree, great jet. Always downtier to fight f5c a10s etc
Won't usimg the GE app get you banned?
No
ay C version is super good to yk i get like 2 kills atleast per game if bad like 1. just got 5 kills
How do you make it so when you use wasd the circle around it stays with the inner circle
look behind or go in first person then hold c key so the circle doesn't move
@@ferrous3262 thanks
The GE app is a scam, please do not promote it
EDIT: looked it up online, people have had mixed results. some of the tasks are annoying and designed to milk you, others aren't. So i guess it isn't really a scam, my apologies.
It isn't
Still glad I stopped playing top tier air RB. Now I just mainly play top tier air sim and GRB / GSB. No hotas no trackir just me wits n mouse m keyboard
Can finally counter the Ja37c
if u use GE for WT make an acc then take the invite code from that one, make a new one, and add ur own invite code so you earn double GE. sorry bro u aint getting 20% of this GE shit is hard to earn to begin with
Is that GE app a scam I assume it is but why would he just promote a scam, that seems awful
gud plen
Its good upgraded but stock not so great and the rb71,s need 85K research that's just insane
which is funny because they suck
Yeah the introduction of the 37D is a scam 💀💀 u also have to grind the finnish tree to move past the 37C
@@SeekerHead The only reason IM grinding it is because its gonna get amraams at some point, and i dont want to miss out on that.
@@jakobmax3299 it might be the first plane to get amraams even because its flight performance isnt too stellar
@@molstad182 Yeah my theory is that the JA37D, Tornado F3, and F-4F ICE would be the first planes to get AMRAAM later on.
the app asked for my zip/postal code dont use it
That app seems extremely sketchy...
It's legit, gaijin has acknowledged it is a legal company and they're okay with it. Basically it's like an advertising app and they pay you in GE
that GE app is a scam, isnt it?
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Seek
This GE for WT is literally just like these other scam apps bruh why is everyone promoting them