Supporting evidence. During the battle of Giants Coffin the Sythes of the Emperor chapter of Adeptus Astartes were engaged in a last stand against a tendrils of hive fleet Kraken. During one of the Sythes pushes, the Chapter Liberian Spirodonas fought four Carnifexes. He shiftly killed two of the beast with psykic lightning but he tried and control the remaining two tyrinid warrior forms. He was successful in calming one of them and the creature was passive. The other one was not so easily controlled and attacked Spirodonas with his bio weapon and with the help of the freed carnifex bit the poor Librarians head off. He died screaming but he died saving his brother Sythe.
That makes sense. The Emperor decided that the Imperium was a failure since it could not eradicate chaos and taking ccontrol of a far away species he decided to try a completely different aproach. The tyranids would destroy anyone especially chaos that could threaten his dominion over the galaxy and free him from his eternal torture. They would allow him to merge with mankind entirely leaving him as the sole will in the entire galaxy a being greater and more powerful than any other god in this universe. That's a good theory very grimdark.
I’ll be honest, when you said the idea of lobotomizing tryanids had technically already been done. I was like “it’s got to have been Fabius Bile, he’s the only man crazy enough to lobotomize a giant man eating murder bug.” Sure enough, the crazy gene manipulator didn’t let us down.
'I have a new idea I wish to try out. Go get me Hive Tyrant, and Ork Warboss and an Astartes Chapter Master. It'll be great, trust me.' 'sigh. Yes sir'
Tyranids become confused and "wild" when separate from the hive mind, right? Well, if one could make a psychic barrier of sort, or a device that would permanently cut off a Tyranid from the hive mind...I would say it is very possible to tame a Tyranid. From lesser Tyranid organisms to massive Carnifexes since they are "animals" with basic instincts. And if one would have a skillset of a beastmaster...yes, I would say you can tame a Tyranid.
If the Sisters of silence were a more common or less restrained order they would nulify the hiveminds reach, enough sisters would just make an anty psychic bubble
Three words: Squig brain transplant. Allz ya need iz a nob with a power stabba, a few dayz of 'ammering and sawing by da painboss and twenty or so of 'iz most expendable grot orderlies, and boom! Ya gotz yourself a deff dread wot runz on cheap snotlings instead of valuable fuel, and still knows to follow da runtherd like any proppa squig! Well, that's what ya get about 'alf da time, anyway... and when da plan doesn't work out so well, it still makes for a pretty good larf, hur hur hur.
Of course Tyranids can be tamed! Orks can loot anything and nothing is stopping a mad Dok/Mek from cyberizing one with junk and with proper Waaagh energy, that Tyranid is proper Orky.
@@ed8212 Oi gitz! Dis be da Warboss, I ben tinkin bout deez bug fings. We need to control dem for da great WAAAAGH!! So you gits better start finkin youz can tame dem gitz roight now!
An example of Tyranids being tamed was when the Wolf Lord Krom Dragongaze and a fraction of his company were captured in a raid on a Tau-controlled planet and brought back to Commorragh by a Drukari Kabal (I'll have to check the book later to find a name) but while they were there Krom and his men had been forced to fight a genestealer in the arena that had seen its opponents as the Drukhari feeding it, where afterwards while working with a Dark Angels Interrogator Chaplain and a Librarian they fought a captured Carnifex Bone Crusher that had been fighting on blind aggression alone.
bloodwolfkoji The Tyranids in Commaragh are not so much tamed as they are simply contained. But even then that is barely saying much. Tyranids are of course relentlessly aggressive but some are also incredibly cunning. Tyranids subjects have caused problems in Commaragh a lot, there was even a breakout of Tyranids in the arena which helped awaken the Ynnari, and another case were dozens of Lictors broke out and still to this day lurk on Commaragh. As if the city wasn't bad enough...
yes give as many as you can to the dark eldar, either the Tyranids will eat them and gain their knowledge and biomass or the dark eldar will survive and learn a few new tricks.
So, theoretically the Sisters of Silence should be able to nullify synaptic creatures? if you put a blank in a hive ship, could it completely stop the Hive Mind relaying orders to the ground and thus, end an invasion? One boarding pod to the control centre and boom, it's game over man, game over?
And the power of the Sister of Silence don't completely nullify Psychic powers, depending on the strenght of the Psyker. In the recent Thousand Codex, it is said that the Rubricae of the Legion can be send against the Sister without problem of fonctionment, despite them being Magical entities.
Also, the Hive Mind seems to act a little differently then normal "warp" based psychic powers. This is evidenced by the shadow in the warp hurting or killing lesser "warp" based psychers.
I wonder if a version of the golden throne could be rebuilt out of necrodermis to sustain the emperor in order for him to be resurrected using a resurrection orb..
Captain general of the adeuspts Custodys **sees your title** pretty sure I know who sold you this forgery... You might want to double check a dictionary before trying to imitate a Custodes...
I'd vote no considering kroot in the ciaphas cain books have tried the leftovers of a human only only to find it tastes like genestealer and spat it out. Normally they'd eat just about anything
IF they were made by the old ones, it would make sense they would want them controllable by psykers since they were all Tzeentch level and C'Tan couldn't even use psychic powers
Good point. But I wonder how much crap the old ones are responsible for then. I have also heard that the hive fleets are already under a type of imperial control. Consider the fact that the emperor is a perpetual but the lords of Terra wont let him fully die so they can maintain control. Well, what if the emperor himself is drawing the Tyranids to him to forcefully end his half-life. It's a radical idea but it sounds interesting.
@@jesusbustamante2793 I am of the idea that the custodes are part of a power hungry group keeping the emperium in this half state. They have maintained a status quo for so long they don't even know another way to do it. But I am not married to my idea and you have a pretty good point too.
@@makooma of the lore i have read(novels and the like) i just don't see the custodes doing something like that, remember once a couple of custodes almost whet to blows with rogal dorn in order to complete their mission, i think it was in the novella "blood games"
Evidence shows that Psykers are able to gain control over certain tyranid organisms so I think it is highly possible to tame one as well. Or at least, make it docile enough to undergo a surgical procedure to remove whatever organ allows for a hive mind to control it. I think it would be an interesting set of experiments by The Imperium. I can see in the near future a bunch of controlled nids fighting some Orks or something on a world marked for reclamation by The Imperium.
I remember in one of the Commissar Cain novels they got a hold of a bioship synapse node and through the use of a psyker were able to turn the tyranids on one another. So seems possible to control them to an extent.
I wanna be the very best Like no mortal ever was To purge them is my real test To enthrall them is my cauuuse I will travel through the warp Searching far and wide To catch tyranids To understand the power that’s inside! You teach me and I won’t shock you Gotta pacify ‘em all purge’mon!
Step 1: Find a way to mass tame Tyranids by cutting them off from the hive mind. Step 2: Domesticate them over the course of many thousands of years. Step 3: Tyranid Pomeranians. Victory.
There’s also another incident of the Inquisition trying to tame a tyranid in the Last Chancer’s novels. The protagonist ends up going toe to toe with it after it escapes.
One of the most interesting questions if one would create future lore for 40k expanding upon the new 41k lore. I'm in fact creating numerous subplots that link to past plots that all intelligent factions should have thought of. Including all astartes chapters, f the codex and build a powerbase instead of setting yourself up for failure. During 41 the fractured Imperium will regain maybe half of its former size, but this will not be the overstreched and poorly defended realm of 40k. Enemies will hold huge regions, but that will also mean they will clash with one another. In raw power chaos, orks, 'nids and necrons will each match the core Imperium. Smaller factions lack number, so they have to be smart. Several parts of the Imperium, split of from the core will change their allegiance multiple times. Allying with one of the AdMech factions, the ecclessiarchy, the less religious part of the Inquisition (resurgence of the imperial truth) and one strong faction that chooses to ally with Tau and some Aeldari in an anti-tyrannid federation. Chaos will also be both stronger and more divided than ever. One tries to keep the 13th black crusade going, with all chaos gods united, others see undivided as the only pure and sane way not to become a puppet. Those kinda ally with the Drukhari, an uneasy alliance between various Fabius Bile clones, Ahriman and the Alpha Legion. It's here the Bilites experiment with aeldari and human genestealer hybrids. Another experiments with the blood of Sanguinus, clones of Ferrous Manus and some enhanced Succubi that entertain Fulgrim (who thinks he runs the show). Over centuries they slowly drain him of his Deamon Prince power. Eventually Harlequins mess up some of these plans and rescue many of the experiments. The independent hybrids would be an interesting breed. They could (if trained by strong psykers) become strong enough to remain free of the hive mind and perhaps learn to control smaller tyrannid swarms. Imagine what they could achieve if they take centuries and be helped by Alpha Legion, Ahriman or some radical/heretical Imperial folks.
Here's a theory... is Stanger Things a secret Warhammer 40K prequel? Evidence: Psykers, Use of fantasy labels for scifi monsters (interdimensional predator="demogorgon"/war-mad fungus monsters="orks"), Nefarious scientists (a prelude to the Dark Age of Technology) The Realm of Chaos (Upside Down) GLORIOUS 80s NOSTALGIA
They say the reason the Octarius War has been going on is because some git keeps bringing the damn Snakebites along, and one of the first thing they do is try to 'loot' the nearest big Tyranid creature (almost *always* a Carnifex, though there was one or two cases some dim-witted git got the idea into their head that 'I can tame wun o' dem big Bio-Titan fings!')it into their newest pet and/or mount. Results vary from complete disasters to brilliant short-term victories (that usually involves deaths of the new mount and Snakebite in questions), but all in all its considered by Orks to be a laff-and-a-half when it happens.
there are snakebite orks, who keep tyranids bio-mass and INFECT worlds with it, BEFORE they enter it, so they got a "proper fight"... That's like God-Mode.
There's been a lot of dark images drawn for the 40K universe, but that picture in the thumbnail has always struck me as one of the more horrifying drawings.
I do have a piece of fan lore that is about a small tyranid hive fleet that is take over by a human. It's just the beginning of a draft, a small collection of basic ideas, just to see what comes of it. Well, the idea is that some psyher dude became kind of obsessed with tyranids, and managed to got take control of a small hive fleet. I don't know EXACTLY how he'd do this, but I guess that's for the better, imply that he's some one-hit-wonder mad genius who figured out exactly what fleet to approach, when and how, and how to use whatever psychic power to gain a foothold on it. The idea is that he from there managed to take enough control of the hive mind to where he could influence the hive's genetic self-manipulation, linking with the fleets hive mind to gain understanding of how the genes work, so he can genetically engineer the fleet to become independent and completely severed from the larger hive mind, as well as more docile. Over time, he's used this influence to make the hive more and more subservient to him, but there is a problem. Much of the hives instincts are essentially impossible to remove, and whilst he can sustainably keep control over a really small fleet, in order to grow the fleet, he has to expand the hive mind f the fleet, and the bigger he allows it to grow, the harder it is to control. So his ability to increase his control over the fleet is in a race with his own hybris to expand it. In the meantime, he's been able to use his control of the hive to merge his own ship with the hive ship, such that the hive ship has corridors and chambers that have been grown specifically for his own human convenience, and the ship can break oxygen off of carbon dioxide, feed him, all that jazz. He's thus relatively independent, but he does keep a dwindling number of humans around in a kind of cult, although many of them are now genestealers, such that they can be controlled synaptically. He himself is also ever experimenting with ways to use biological systems of genestealer infection to slowly metamorphize himself into a more tyranid-like organism. He's also going more and more mad over the time, to the surprise of no one, preferring to spend more and more time with only his link to the hive mind over the company of people. His fleet tries to retain a low profile, preying on minor worlds, moons, stations and ships for the most part. I also have been playing with the idea that he's made a semi-docile strain of tyranid warrior that he occasionally manage to sell on the black market, to places such as Commorragh, for use in arenas. This can help him acquire slaves or synthetic technology he might need. Well, that's most of the concept I've come up with thus far. Any is free to tell me what they think of the idea.
I dunno, could depend on in which state he found the fleet, or what he did to initially weaken it. Who knows, maybe he did have help from some additional psykers ot begin with, but the idea is that he's found some way to both subdue the hive sub-mind of that fleet, but also to make it easier to manipulate, and that he does so himself. I'm thinking it's potentially like a feedback loop, where if he can gain the initial foothold he needs, he can use that to manipulate it to become more malleable, break down certain aspects of its will over time, and recondition it to become more accepting of his influence, which in term means he can use that to find ways to make it even more loyal. The idea is that he in theory could probably do whatever it is h's doing to make the fleet's hive mind completely submissive to him(domestication, pretty much), it's just that he's at constant risk of making small misstake, of underestimating the fleet, of having his work interfered with by the call of the larger hive mind, so the fleet is always at the brink of remembering and re-asserting it's past identity.
You might try to tame Tyranids, but it likely wouldn't ultimately end well for you. Orks 'looting' Tyranids, while a fun joke within the community, is not part of GW's own core continuity lore. There was a novel once upon a time where the techno-organic virus used by Chaos Obliterators was able to control a Hive Ship, but that is not canon anymore either. As it stands, there is no reliable way to control Tyranids except possibly by psychic means, and that is temporary and tenuous at best, doubly so since the Shadow in the Warp has this unfortunate tendency to drive psykers insane and/or kill them, and the Hive Mind itself represents an overpoweringly potent psychic force that, all told, is greater than anything that could be brought to bear to try to control the Swarm. Also, Tyranids can be very cunning in the right circumstances. A Genestealer might well pretend to obey commands, right up until it could get close enough to infect its would be owner, whereupon the relationship of control would immediately start going the other way, and a brand new Genestealer Cult would be born.
The best way would be to get a better understanding of the queen's method of control and then to engineer your own proxy queen - further augmenting and controlling it with cybernetics so that it not only tames your new loyal beast army of planet destroying bioforms but can also shield against the "true queen" influence. Of course this has further repercussions of asking what other augmentations you can make on your own psykers to juice em up. Imagine humans with the ability to waaaaggghhh! but - y'know to do it far more consciously!
I think it's entirely possible for a sufficiently powerful psyker to act as a synapse creature in the absence of the hive mind, however the connection goes both ways and if that Tyranid bioform were to encounter an actual synapse creature that would give you a connection to the hive mind, and the hive mind a connection to you.
I got one: sever the Tyranids from the Hive Mind then let them tap into the WAAAAGHH!!!! field. It's a psychic field, and while it wouldn't be direct control, the Tyranids might begin to act a bit more Orky.
Is it possible that the adeptus mechanicus could possibly convert a tyranid forum into a type of servitor? The portions of its brain designed to receive and interpret psychic signals could be replaced with the technological components used to control a servitor thus making it virtually impossible for a tyranid to rebell much less rejoin the hive mind.
Zerglings in starcraft could be 'tamed' when disconnected from Overmind or Kerrigan with a psychic inhibitor neck brace device - though not sure if same applies to lower units of Tyranids
Wasn't there a Ciaphas Cain (Hero of the Imperium!) book where they used Hive-Ship remnants to interfere with Hive-mind and even control a few of the lesser Tyranids? It's been a few years since I read the book, so I might be wrong about this.
I'd like a unit option for the ordo xenos that is a unit of tyranid bodyguards for an inquisitor. The inquisitor would have to be a psyker, and would gain a 6“ psynapse range.
Well, wait aren't the Tyranids always trying to survive? So if the Imperium can supply them with food that isn't Imperial Guardsmen they could use the Tyranids as a potent weapon against chaos. Dark Age of Technology Humans could have probably made some sort of control device for Tyranids seeing the technological capacity of the Men of Iron who were created by humans. Maybe self-replicating Tyranid servitors?
Given they can be calmed with sufficient psychic power. Wouldn't that mean eldar would be the prime candidate for doing exactly that. The only reason i can see them not doing it is out of cowardice if they fail. But if the librarian of a space marine chapter can do it to a carnifex. An eldar should find it childs play on most of their bioforms that aren't either designed around psionic energy or synapse creatures. Hell. Wouldn't that be a cool toss up of the usual elven aesthetic for them to tame and probably eventually domesticate the resident locust horde race
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In theory it can be done but there is always the risk that's such a taming is only temporary regardless of how it is performed. Or worse, somehow such 'taiming' just forced the Hive Mind into targeting the taimers even more hard the norm.
I want a pet hormagaunt. And it would be pretty easy to contain an individual Ripper in a sturdy terrarium. If we can keep giant centipedes, camel spiders, and monitor lizards as pets, we could figure out how to tame a tyranid separated from the Hive Mind.
The ability to control Tyranid lesser organisms seems like too much work for very little. Gaunts are extremely aggressive and relentless and even Dark Eldar generally have a horrible time capturing these creatures for their gladiatorial arenas. As well as this, lesser organisms are extremely expendable to the hive mind, I mean during an invasion they are casually produced in the millions. It is also important to know that with exception of Genestealers, the general lifespan of lesser organisms is only for a few days due to their extremely high metabolism and single-minded role
On the subject of 'Nid based shenaniganery, has anyone ever tried to use a captured 'Nid as a miner's canary of sorts? You catch a lil' 'Nid and study its behaviour during capture and constantly thereafter until it loses its connection, then you study its behaviour as an individual. Using the comparisons you could pinpoint the moment of reconnection and then move it back until it reconnects, now you know the range of its wi-fi. You could then use it as, possibly, advanced warning along a Hive Fleets path of advance. Or, more likely and practically, as a sniffer dog. You take it out to a space hulk or a suspicious location and wait for it to sync up with the Genestealers' network, thus pinpointing the burgeoning Cult. Would that, in your exalted opinions, be at all feasible?
i allways thought that the hivemind is a own place in the warp which doesnt allow Outsiders in. a bit like the webway. a bubble of thoughts within the warp/an entity on ist own. so, my guess is, that you can taim tyranids appart from the hivemind like you can mindcontrol anything else. but you cant field them against the hive tyranids, because they would enter thei hivemind bubble again. is there a situation where a null (culexus) or gellarfields hit a tyranid? If yes, what happend? is it possible to minefield a planet with gloomprisms to make it uncounquerable for tyranids? what would happen if the pylons of cadia would meet with the hive fleet.
Snakebite orks already tamed Tyranids. (they infect certain worlds with it, before they enter, so they got a proper fight) (Readable in the last Orks codex.)
Supporting evidence.
During the battle of Giants Coffin the Sythes of the Emperor chapter of Adeptus Astartes were engaged in a last stand against a tendrils of hive fleet Kraken.
During one of the Sythes pushes, the Chapter Liberian Spirodonas fought four Carnifexes. He shiftly killed two of the beast with psykic lightning but he tried and control the remaining two tyrinid warrior forms. He was successful in calming one of them and the creature was passive. The other one was not so easily controlled and attacked Spirodonas with his bio weapon and with the help of the freed carnifex bit the poor Librarians head off. He died screaming but he died saving his brother Sythe.
The Eternal Chronicler he screamed his head off!
I wonder if we can use a warp beacon to scramble the hive mind control. Like the one that attracted the Tyranids in the galaxy in the first place.
Scythe*
Tyranid*
Vulkan: *I WISH TO PET THIS CREATURE*
Abdega Do not boop that creature
*I W A N T T O . B O O P . T H E . S N O O T*
@@bryanbarcelo5440 *NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO*
It's quiet today
@@DrJReefer YES
Welp time for the emperor to get off his throne and put on his Pokemon hat
Or scarier still what if the emperor is already?
That makes sense. The Emperor decided that the Imperium was a failure since it could not eradicate chaos and taking ccontrol of a far away species he decided to try a completely different aproach. The tyranids would destroy anyone especially chaos that could threaten his dominion over the galaxy and free him from his eternal torture. They would allow him to merge with mankind entirely leaving him as the sole will in the entire galaxy a being greater and more powerful than any other god in this universe.
That's a good theory very grimdark.
I wanna be the very best...
Tyranids gonne catch em all
"I want to be the very best"...
I’ll be honest, when you said the idea of lobotomizing tryanids had technically already been done. I was like “it’s got to have been Fabius Bile, he’s the only man crazy enough to lobotomize a giant man eating murder bug.” Sure enough, the crazy gene manipulator didn’t let us down.
'I have a new idea I wish to try out. Go get me Hive Tyrant, and Ork Warboss and an Astartes Chapter Master. It'll be great, trust me.'
'sigh. Yes sir'
What are the next 2 for
@@jacksonl.2201 ,most likely for genetic splicing...
@@jacksonl.2201 giving it a higher level of sentience maybe?
**Puts on stylish hat**
I wanna be the very best, like no one ever was!
Nooo. Why? Now I have childhood flashbacks.
The hunt them is my real test
To purge them is my cause!
Genestealer Patriarch. I choose you!
Gotta eat em all!
40K Theories I will travel across warp space, Searching for a fleet, Each Tyrannid to understand the power that's my mind!
Tyranids become confused and "wild" when separate from the hive mind, right? Well, if one could make a psychic barrier of sort, or a device that would permanently cut off a Tyranid from the hive mind...I would say it is very possible to tame a Tyranid. From lesser Tyranid organisms to massive Carnifexes since they are "animals" with basic instincts. And if one would have a skillset of a beastmaster...yes, I would say you can tame a Tyranid.
and evne then there some u cant cause they got more inteligence then the others without (see genestalers and lictors)
Nano tech that infiltrates the mind and literally eats away at the brain, replacing it with a metal brain that operates solely to erradicate tyranids.
If the Sisters of silence were a more common or less restrained order they would nulify the hiveminds reach, enough sisters would just make an anty psychic bubble
(controls all hive fleets and moves them into the eye of terror)
that's a great idea father
but how can we control them as long as their hive mind still active?
Such power!! none other like you my glorious Emperor!!
Beat them in Galactic Yu-Gi-Oh.
you have a point
but i think i some training with father or perhaps kitten or maybe magnus
chaos mutated tyranid . . .yerrrkkk
Da orks can loot anyfing, taming a beastie ain't nothin'.
SolemnHeretic
well, anything is possible when it comes to some good ol waagh energy.
Three words: Squig brain transplant.
Allz ya need iz a nob with a power stabba, a few dayz of 'ammering and sawing by da painboss and twenty or so of 'iz most expendable grot orderlies, and boom! Ya gotz yourself a deff dread wot runz on cheap snotlings instead of valuable fuel, and still knows to follow da runtherd like any proppa squig!
Well, that's what ya get about 'alf da time, anyway... and when da plan doesn't work out so well, it still makes for a pretty good larf, hur hur hur.
Dat iz da best idea I have ever heard in me life!
those tyranid gits ar fluffier dan my squig!
You sure
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Of course Tyranids can be tamed! Orks can loot anything and nothing is stopping a mad Dok/Mek from cyberizing one with junk and with proper Waaagh energy, that Tyranid is proper Orky.
Zazie The Beast the orks because fuck the laws of everything
If enough orks believe something can be done, it can be done (by orks that is)
@@ed8212 Oi gitz! Dis be da Warboss, I ben tinkin bout deez bug fings. We need to control dem for da great WAAAAGH!! So you gits better start finkin youz can tame dem gitz roight now!
@@kerbe3 already got one! fellas a feisty one eh? but with some help he may be of real good use! *brought in old one eye*
Theory: the emperor didn't reveal his name as to prevent the birth of a warp entity.
wot?
he is only known as the emperor, so that no one can try and use his real name against him(sorcery/rituals)
Just like invoking a demon entity's name gives you power against them
Yes. With massive amounts of bolterfire.
An example of Tyranids being tamed was when the Wolf Lord Krom Dragongaze and a fraction of his company were captured in a raid on a Tau-controlled planet and brought back to Commorragh by a Drukari Kabal (I'll have to check the book later to find a name) but while they were there Krom and his men had been forced to fight a genestealer in the arena that had seen its opponents as the Drukhari feeding it, where afterwards while working with a Dark Angels Interrogator Chaplain and a Librarian they fought a captured Carnifex Bone Crusher that had been fighting on blind aggression alone.
Genestealers are semi-autonomous though.
bloodwolfkoji The Tyranids in Commaragh are not so much tamed as they are simply contained. But even then that is barely saying much. Tyranids are of course relentlessly aggressive but some are also incredibly cunning. Tyranids subjects have caused problems in Commaragh a lot, there was even a breakout of Tyranids in the arena which helped awaken the Ynnari, and another case were dozens of Lictors broke out and still to this day lurk on Commaragh. As if the city wasn't bad enough...
The more pressing matter is...
Dost yonder tyranids enjoy ingesting cyberdongs??
In the short stories of "Fear The Alien" a comatose farseer uses her powers to control Genestealers on a space hulk.
A more important question: Can tyranids be hugged?
of course they can, how else would the librarian have a pet tyranid in tales from the crypt?
Google Looted Tyranids
Wyrmkillas, my friend...look them up.
damn. that's badass.
Amazing!
Yes, they can be tamed, just feed them the inquisition.
Armored mecha
But that's heres-
Oh...
Or the Ultramarines Chapter Master and his honour Guard
Beastmasters are found elsewhere too it's a thing in Dark Heresy too.
Give it to the dark eldar, they can break anything
yes give as many as you can to the dark eldar, either the Tyranids will eat them and gain their knowledge and biomass or the dark eldar will survive and learn a few new tricks.
So, theoretically the Sisters of Silence should be able to nullify synaptic creatures? if you put a blank in a hive ship, could it completely stop the Hive Mind relaying orders to the ground and thus, end an invasion? One boarding pod to the control centre and boom, it's game over man, game over?
Theoretically, but then you get creatures acting on instinct which can make them potentially more dangerous and unpredictable
And the power of the Sister of Silence don't completely nullify Psychic powers, depending on the strenght of the Psyker. In the recent Thousand Codex, it is said that the Rubricae of the Legion can be send against the Sister without problem of fonctionment, despite them being Magical entities.
Also, the Hive Mind seems to act a little differently then normal "warp" based psychic powers. This is evidenced by the shadow in the warp hurting or killing lesser "warp" based psychers.
Tell that to the last Thousand Sons guy I played. B)
makooma the Warp hurts and kills psychers all the time lol
I wonder if a version of the golden throne could be rebuilt out of necrodermis to sustain the emperor in order for him to be resurrected using a resurrection orb..
But there are no wolves on Fenris.
Only man...
And SPACE WOLVES!
only ignorants call them that, they the Vlka Fenryka
Except, of course... the Wolves, ser?
There are.
Can they be Roasted in the Fire and be eaten? The Pyro wants to know
im sure hillary clinton would want that
Captain general of the adeuspts Custodys **sees your title** pretty sure I know who sold you this forgery... You might want to double check a dictionary before trying to imitate a Custodes...
well they are dinosaur bugs so they probably taste like a mixture of lobster and chicken
I'd vote no considering kroot in the ciaphas cain books have tried the leftovers of a human only only to find it tastes like genestealer and spat it out. Normally they'd eat just about anything
I fear no man, but that thing....
It scares me
IF they were made by the old ones, it would make sense they would want them controllable by psykers since they were all Tzeentch level and C'Tan couldn't even use psychic powers
Good point. But I wonder how much crap the old ones are responsible for then. I have also heard that the hive fleets are already under a type of imperial control. Consider the fact that the emperor is a perpetual but the lords of Terra wont let him fully die so they can maintain control. Well, what if the emperor himself is drawing the Tyranids to him to forcefully end his half-life. It's a radical idea but it sounds interesting.
why not use the custodes instead, it would be faster cleaner and without collateral damage to terra and the imperiun
@@jesusbustamante2793 I am of the idea that the custodes are part of a power hungry group keeping the emperium in this half state. They have maintained a status quo for so long they don't even know another way to do it. But I am not married to my idea and you have a pretty good point too.
@@makooma of the lore i have read(novels and the like) i just don't see the custodes doing something like that, remember once a couple of custodes almost whet to blows with rogal dorn in order to complete their mission, i think it was in the novella "blood games"
I really don't think they were made by the old ones
There are classifications for the psychic strength of a psyker in 40K? I never knew that
danster107 needs to be a video
If you're a fan of the books the Eisenhorn and Ravenor series describes psykers in great detail.
Evidence shows that Psykers are able to gain control over certain tyranid organisms so I think it is highly possible to tame one as well. Or at least, make it docile enough to undergo a surgical procedure to remove whatever organ allows for a hive mind to control it. I think it would be an interesting set of experiments by The Imperium. I can see in the near future a bunch of controlled nids fighting some Orks or something on a world marked for reclamation by The Imperium.
My guess before watching the video is the a sufficiently powerful psyker could mimic a synapse creature and control them
I remember in one of the Commissar Cain novels they got a hold of a bioship synapse node and through the use of a psyker were able to turn the tyranids on one another. So seems possible to control them to an extent.
0:45
Nice nod to Alien there.
1:05 W E N E E D T O B R I N G T H E M T O H E E L
Arch Warhammer actually brought this pun. And he wasn't even ashamed
Weyland-Yutani would love to have a word with you on that one ....
I wanna be the very best
Like no mortal ever was
To purge them is my real test
To enthrall them is my cauuuse
I will travel through the warp
Searching far and wide
To catch tyranids
To understand
the power that’s inside!
You teach me and I won’t shock you
Gotta pacify ‘em all purge’mon!
The amount of taming that the Tryainds ever put in was with the Zoats, so possibly so.
Also, can we have a video on the W40K Zoat?
Step 1: Find a way to mass tame Tyranids by cutting them off from the hive mind.
Step 2: Domesticate them over the course of many thousands of years.
Step 3: Tyranid Pomeranians. Victory.
Custodies:My emperor, the Techno Priests of Mars have found a new artifact, it is called “Pokemon”
Emperor:Grab my Pokédex
There’s also another incident of the Inquisition trying to tame a tyranid in the Last Chancer’s novels. The protagonist ends up going toe to toe with it after it escapes.
One of the most interesting questions if one would create future lore for 40k expanding upon the new 41k lore.
I'm in fact creating numerous subplots that link to past plots that all intelligent factions should have thought of. Including all astartes chapters, f the codex and build a powerbase instead of setting yourself up for failure.
During 41 the fractured Imperium will regain maybe half of its former size, but this will not be the overstreched and poorly defended realm of 40k. Enemies will hold huge regions, but that will also mean they will clash with one another. In raw power chaos, orks, 'nids and necrons will each match the core Imperium. Smaller factions lack number, so they have to be smart.
Several parts of the Imperium, split of from the core will change their allegiance multiple times. Allying with one of the AdMech factions, the ecclessiarchy, the less religious part of the Inquisition (resurgence of the imperial truth) and one strong faction that chooses to ally with Tau and some Aeldari in an anti-tyrannid federation.
Chaos will also be both stronger and more divided than ever. One tries to keep the 13th black crusade going, with all chaos gods united, others see undivided as the only pure and sane way not to become a puppet. Those kinda ally with the Drukhari, an uneasy alliance between various Fabius Bile clones, Ahriman and the Alpha Legion. It's here the Bilites experiment with aeldari and human genestealer hybrids. Another experiments with the blood of Sanguinus, clones of Ferrous Manus and some enhanced Succubi that entertain Fulgrim (who thinks he runs the show). Over centuries they slowly drain him of his Deamon Prince power. Eventually Harlequins mess up some of these plans and rescue many of the experiments.
The independent hybrids would be an interesting breed. They could (if trained by strong psykers) become strong enough to remain free of the hive mind and perhaps learn to control smaller tyrannid swarms. Imagine what they could achieve if they take centuries and be helped by Alpha Legion, Ahriman or some radical/heretical Imperial folks.
The word you're looking for it loot, AN' DA ANSUH IS YES!
YOU GET A LOOTED CARNIFEX! AND YOU GET A LOOTED CARNIFEX!
LOOTED CARNIFEXES FOR EVERYBODY!!!
Short answer: no. Long answer: prolonged screaming, sudden silence.
Here's a theory... is Stanger Things a secret Warhammer 40K prequel?
Evidence:
Psykers,
Use of fantasy labels for scifi monsters (interdimensional predator="demogorgon"/war-mad fungus monsters="orks"),
Nefarious scientists (a prelude to the Dark Age of Technology)
The Realm of Chaos (Upside Down)
GLORIOUS 80s NOSTALGIA
They say the reason the Octarius War has been going on is because some git keeps bringing the damn Snakebites along, and one of the first thing they do is try to 'loot' the nearest big Tyranid creature (almost *always* a Carnifex, though there was one or two cases some dim-witted git got the idea into their head that 'I can tame wun o' dem big Bio-Titan fings!')it into their newest pet and/or mount.
Results vary from complete disasters to brilliant short-term victories (that usually involves deaths of the new mount and Snakebite in questions), but all in all its considered by Orks to be a laff-and-a-half when it happens.
there are snakebite orks, who keep tyranids bio-mass and INFECT worlds with it, BEFORE they enter it, so they got a "proper fight"... That's like God-Mode.
There's been a lot of dark images drawn for the 40K universe, but that picture in the thumbnail has always struck me as one of the more horrifying drawings.
With enough lasguns you can tame anything
I do have a piece of fan lore that is about a small tyranid hive fleet that is take over by a human. It's just the beginning of a draft, a small collection of basic ideas, just to see what comes of it.
Well, the idea is that some psyher dude became kind of obsessed with tyranids, and managed to got take control of a small hive fleet. I don't know EXACTLY how he'd do this, but I guess that's for the better, imply that he's some one-hit-wonder mad genius who figured out exactly what fleet to approach, when and how, and how to use whatever psychic power to gain a foothold on it.
The idea is that he from there managed to take enough control of the hive mind to where he could influence the hive's genetic self-manipulation, linking with the fleets hive mind to gain understanding of how the genes work, so he can genetically engineer the fleet to become independent and completely severed from the larger hive mind, as well as more docile.
Over time, he's used this influence to make the hive more and more subservient to him, but there is a problem. Much of the hives instincts are essentially impossible to remove, and whilst he can sustainably keep control over a really small fleet, in order to grow the fleet, he has to expand the hive mind f the fleet, and the bigger he allows it to grow, the harder it is to control. So his ability to increase his control over the fleet is in a race with his own hybris to expand it.
In the meantime, he's been able to use his control of the hive to merge his own ship with the hive ship, such that the hive ship has corridors and chambers that have been grown specifically for his own human convenience, and the ship can break oxygen off of carbon dioxide, feed him, all that jazz. He's thus relatively independent, but he does keep a dwindling number of humans around in a kind of cult, although many of them are now genestealers, such that they can be controlled synaptically. He himself is also ever experimenting with ways to use biological systems of genestealer infection to slowly metamorphize himself into a more tyranid-like organism. He's also going more and more mad over the time, to the surprise of no one, preferring to spend more and more time with only his link to the hive mind over the company of people.
His fleet tries to retain a low profile, preying on minor worlds, moons, stations and ships for the most part. I also have been playing with the idea that he's made a semi-docile strain of tyranid warrior that he occasionally manage to sell on the black market, to places such as Commorragh, for use in arenas. This can help him acquire slaves or synthetic technology he might need.
Well, that's most of the concept I've come up with thus far. Any is free to tell me what they think of the idea.
Tobias Hagström that’s a good idea but he would need more psykers to help him
I dunno, could depend on in which state he found the fleet, or what he did to initially weaken it. Who knows, maybe he did have help from some additional psykers ot begin with, but the idea is that he's found some way to both subdue the hive sub-mind of that fleet, but also to make it easier to manipulate, and that he does so himself.
I'm thinking it's potentially like a feedback loop, where if he can gain the initial foothold he needs, he can use that to manipulate it to become more malleable, break down certain aspects of its will over time, and recondition it to become more accepting of his influence, which in term means he can use that to find ways to make it even more loyal.
The idea is that he in theory could probably do whatever it is h's doing to make the fleet's hive mind completely submissive to him(domestication, pretty much), it's just that he's at constant risk of making small misstake, of underestimating the fleet, of having his work interfered with by the call of the larger hive mind, so the fleet is always at the brink of remembering and re-asserting it's past identity.
My idea is where a tyranid group gets separated from the rest and its just a hive tyrant as the leader
Tie-ran-eds.
XD
You might try to tame Tyranids, but it likely wouldn't ultimately end well for you. Orks 'looting' Tyranids, while a fun joke within the community, is not part of GW's own core continuity lore. There was a novel once upon a time where the techno-organic virus used by Chaos Obliterators was able to control a Hive Ship, but that is not canon anymore either. As it stands, there is no reliable way to control Tyranids except possibly by psychic means, and that is temporary and tenuous at best, doubly so since the Shadow in the Warp has this unfortunate tendency to drive psykers insane and/or kill them, and the Hive Mind itself represents an overpoweringly potent psychic force that, all told, is greater than anything that could be brought to bear to try to control the Swarm.
Also, Tyranids can be very cunning in the right circumstances. A Genestealer might well pretend to obey commands, right up until it could get close enough to infect its would be owner, whereupon the relationship of control would immediately start going the other way, and a brand new Genestealer Cult would be born.
More importantly, can they be waifued?
Pierre Lindgren anything can be waifued should you have the will to do so.
It s already done
HERESY!!! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!
Yep. It already exists and it's an idol as well...
They already waifued a dominatrix
Now i wanna see guardsman riding termagants into battle
I just found out that the food is sentient and calls itself human. How cute!
So my plans to use a rolled up newspaper and a tummy rub are right out.
“Possibly by partially Lobotomizing a Tyranid”
Laughs in Heavy Bolter
3:08 That is the cutest squig I have ever seen.
I just think it would be so wholesome to see an Ork try and pet a Tyranid
Ork: Oi I’m gonna name yous bitey
Has no one in the Imperium seen ANY of the Alien films?! This won't end well...
Tame? No, not possible due to how their mind is created. Control? Yes, you just need to be strong enough psychically.
Notice how a lot of the 40k factions have/had a great leader such as the Emperor or the Hive Mind.
I had never seen a picture of the Grox. So that is the equivalent of livestock in the Imperium? Figures.
The best way would be to get a better understanding of the queen's method of control and then to engineer your own proxy queen - further augmenting and controlling it with cybernetics so that it not only tames your new loyal beast army of planet destroying bioforms but can also shield against the "true queen" influence. Of course this has further repercussions of asking what other augmentations you can make on your own psykers to juice em up. Imagine humans with the ability to waaaaggghhh! but - y'know to do it far more consciously!
0:49 Nice Terminator reference.
In the novel of Word bearers they had a hive ship so yes u can tame them
Tame the hive mind?
Kerrigan has entered the chat...
Aren't Squigs part Tyranid?
No, that got retconned in Gorkamorka and the 3rd edition Ork codex
I think it's entirely possible for a sufficiently powerful psyker to act as a synapse creature in the absence of the hive mind, however the connection goes both ways and if that Tyranid bioform were to encounter an actual synapse creature that would give you a connection to the hive mind, and the hive mind a connection to you.
I’m just imagining how much of a hive fleet Magnus or the emperor would be able able to control of they had access to the right bioform
I got one: sever the Tyranids from the Hive Mind then let them tap into the WAAAAGHH!!!! field. It's a psychic field, and while it wouldn't be direct control, the Tyranids might begin to act a bit more Orky.
Is it possible that the adeptus mechanicus could possibly convert a tyranid forum into a type of servitor? The portions of its brain designed to receive and interpret psychic signals could be replaced with the technological components used to control a servitor thus making it virtually impossible for a tyranid to rebell much less rejoin the hive mind.
Time to make a comic panel about a salamander trying to tame a ripper
Can we have Tyranid Waifu?
Yes. But if your waifu is a tyranid, you have shit taste AND probably not long for this world. Good luck.
BOB MARINE I have one, she treats me well y'know?
If you have one, even Chaos thinks you should be purged for your heresy.
"Well, that's a lictor. With boobs."
Heresy grows from idleness and sexual frustration.
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You could use a psionic emitter like how they did in Starcraft. Maybe not “taming” them but drawing them to where you want.
Image a Slaaneshi psycher controlling a tryanid hive fleet that would be gorgeous
Zerglings in starcraft could be 'tamed' when disconnected from Overmind or Kerrigan with a psychic inhibitor neck brace device - though not sure if same applies to lower units of Tyranids
Wasn't there a Ciaphas Cain (Hero of the Imperium!) book where they used Hive-Ship remnants to interfere with Hive-mind and even control a few of the lesser Tyranids? It's been a few years since I read the book, so I might be wrong about this.
I'd like a unit option for the ordo xenos that is a unit of tyranid bodyguards for an inquisitor. The inquisitor would have to be a psyker, and would gain a 6“ psynapse range.
ask Arcturus Mengsk
Well, wait aren't the Tyranids always trying to survive? So if the Imperium can supply them with food that isn't Imperial Guardsmen they could use the Tyranids as a potent weapon against chaos. Dark Age of Technology Humans could have probably made some sort of control device for Tyranids seeing the technological capacity of the Men of Iron who were created by humans. Maybe self-replicating Tyranid servitors?
Given they can be calmed with sufficient psychic power. Wouldn't that mean eldar would be the prime candidate for doing exactly that. The only reason i can see them not doing it is out of cowardice if they fail. But if the librarian of a space marine chapter can do it to a carnifex. An eldar should find it childs play on most of their bioforms that aren't either designed around psionic energy or synapse creatures.
Hell. Wouldn't that be a cool toss up of the usual elven aesthetic for them to tame and probably eventually domesticate the resident locust horde race
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In theory it can be done but there is always the risk that's such a taming is only temporary regardless of how it is performed. Or worse, somehow such 'taiming' just forced the Hive Mind into targeting the taimers even more hard the norm.
I want a pet hormagaunt. And it would be pretty easy to contain an individual Ripper in a sturdy terrarium. If we can keep giant centipedes, camel spiders, and monitor lizards as pets, we could figure out how to tame a tyranid separated from the Hive Mind.
The ability to control Tyranid lesser organisms seems like too much work for very little. Gaunts are extremely aggressive and relentless and even Dark Eldar generally have a horrible time capturing these creatures for their gladiatorial arenas. As well as this, lesser organisms are extremely expendable to the hive mind, I mean during an invasion they are casually produced in the millions. It is also important to know that with exception of Genestealers, the general lifespan of lesser organisms is only for a few days due to their extremely high metabolism and single-minded role
Can Tyranids Be Tamed? Yes with cyclonic torpedoes.
I would love to actually see a Starcrafts(carbot) version of the 40k universe where Tyranids are like one of those zergling puppies.
Dark Eldar: who's a cute lil death monster
Would the Grey knights psychic abilities be able to do it?
Wyrd beastmaster with rippers in a gang is beautifully overkill 🤪
On the subject of 'Nid based shenaniganery, has anyone ever tried to use a captured 'Nid as a miner's canary of sorts?
You catch a lil' 'Nid and study its behaviour during capture and constantly thereafter until it loses its connection, then you study its behaviour as an individual. Using the comparisons you could pinpoint the moment of reconnection and then move it back until it reconnects, now you know the range of its wi-fi.
You could then use it as, possibly, advanced warning along a Hive Fleets path of advance. Or, more likely and practically, as a sniffer dog. You take it out to a space hulk or a suspicious location and wait for it to sync up with the Genestealers' network, thus pinpointing the burgeoning Cult.
Would that, in your exalted opinions, be at all feasible?
i allways thought that the hivemind is a own place in the warp which doesnt allow Outsiders in. a bit like the webway. a bubble of thoughts within the warp/an entity on ist own. so, my guess is, that you can taim tyranids appart from the hivemind like you can mindcontrol anything else. but you cant field them against the hive tyranids, because they would enter thei hivemind bubble again.
is there a situation where a null (culexus) or gellarfields hit a tyranid?
If yes, what happend?
is it possible to minefield a planet with gloomprisms to make it uncounquerable for tyranids?
what would happen if the pylons of cadia would meet with the hive fleet.
Was that a Terminator reference in the start there?
I want to have one as a pet
Can you truly ever train a shark? When its hungry everyone looks like food.
Sigh... I’ll go get the psi emitters.
Squiggly Beasts are a Tyranids offshot creature.
That got retconned with the release of Gorkamorka and the 3rd edition Ork codex
40K Theories well that is sad
Love the idea of an super psyker beating a psi beast then dominating a horde.
Snakebite orks already tamed Tyranids. (they infect certain worlds with it, before they enter, so they got a proper fight) (Readable in the last Orks codex.)
The only way I would tame them in with holy fire 🔥
What ever happened with the Anphelion Project?
I support this. All the Primaris Marines and Cawl should be sent to test this.
everytime that intro music plays, I always pop and lock when that tune plays, Shit, dat music so baller