Despite Chuvalo’s steel-reinforced concrete chin, you can see how his glacial foot speed made him meat for Ali, Frazier and Foreman. Chuvalo was there to be hit, and he was insulted if you missed him. But what a tough S. O. B.!!
Yes George had power guts and heart but he didnt cut off the ring well with top notch boxers. Marciano got little credit for cutting off the ring but he did it well. Being short not too fast he would get even lower and land punches George never seem to get that part.
As a fighter, I would take Terrell's jabs over Chuvalo's power-punches any day of the week. George deserved, at least, a draw, if not close win. It's like Canadian Boxing Authorities hated their own champion, George Chuvalo, with strong exception to the many Chuvalo fans that filled the Canadian Arena up. George was a well respected fighter here in the US because of his toughness, iron jaw, and never-say-quit outlook on fighting.
I really do like Chavulo roughhouse style, always came to fight win or lose. Obviously had a cast iron chin which he's famous for! But I think he was an underated puncher too, can't remember the exact number but a high percentage of his wins were by knockout or ref stoppage. Great fighter.
Here's something overlooked. George was up in Canada where there were only 2-3 world class heavyweights, Who is he going to spar with on a daily basis to improve his skills? If he went to work for someone like Gill Clancy in New York he'd have been sparring with and learning from top ten heavyweights from all over the world who came to take part in MSG's Friday Night Fights.
Thanks for the gr8 upload, bro…meez from Toronto, too. What a shame, eh…no ‘home-cookin’ this night arrrggghhhhhhh🙄😩😭🥵😡😡😡 George was not only never knocked out, but never knocked off his feet…impossible-to-believe, even. After his fight vs Ali, George went dancing, whilst Ali went to the hospital! I ‘liked’ and subscribed…Happy New Year, & TY again, dear bruddah…what a robbery AND travesty = this fight. It makes me sick when I hear fellow Canucks say that Chuvalo was as tough as nails, a great fighter…& Canadian champion bla bla bla…without knowing/realizing that George was REALLY a *World champion*…an OUTRAGE, and makes me sick, bro…in his hometown, yet…unheard-of, to boot!😞😡😡😡
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I’ve always disliked the way that Terrel fights. Grabbing and hanging on his opponent’s, shamelessly and awkwardly draping himself over the other guy at every opportunity A frustrating guy to watch. Chavalo came to fight and Ernie came to wrestle I think Chavalo was robbed in this one.
28:45 Terrell's chin is outstanding. He looks like Holmes here or at least a Carl Williams. Terrell is way ahead of his time he looks like a modern 80's heavyweight tying up Jabbing and moving. Chuvalo looks a bit like Ingemar plodding for the home run.
The announcer says in the 10th that Terrell has piled up a bunch of pts with the jab. In round 11 and on, Chavalo almost completely abandon's the Jab. He's certainly got a very questionable lead at that point if he did. I personally believe anyone scoring this has to have about 2 rounds minimum even. I have Terrell 144. Chavalo 143. That was being very liberal with Chavalo giving him some even rounds. Terrell won. Its close i gave Chavalo some rounds because of holding. But chavalo has to have far far less punches thrown, no matter what Terrell is in better shape. If George threw a regular Jab he would have taken some rounds but he was out of gas in my option. Last round i have as even.
Ok, I just got done scoring this fight. I'm from NY and scored by rounds Chuvalo 7 Rds to terrell 4 and 4 Rds even. The even Rounds were ones where Terrell was running and holding but on the other hand Chuvalo was just stalking and not doing much punching. If the judges gave those four to Ernie it would have been 8-7 terrell but that is a lot of derrerence to the "Champ" to swallow. No harm was done because George ended up getting the Ali match in Toronto. How do you guys get 146 when they said there are only 5 pts per round? THat is a 75 pt max.
It wasn't exactly Rocky vs Apollo Creed, except for the fictional title part, so the world thanks you for your sacrifice of time you'll never get back.
And something I learned the first year I started amateur boxing in the P.A.L. in the gym sparring sessions is if you are boxing a taller opponent you get low and come in out of a crouch and it’s a good way to box all the time because when you punch up you are punching with your whole body including your legs. And you have much more power than just your upper body and usually results in a telling blow or combination which is even better. Throwing combinations is a key to not getting hit also . Like when he parried the jab he should have thrown a left hook at the same time and followed up with a right hand. . Simeltaineously your opponent doesn’t even see it coming.
Heavyweight Title? Ha. No one paid any attention to the WBA in those days, it was comprised of mostly foreigners. NYS and The Ring were the last word on who was Champ and The Ring stood behind Ali when States were taking his title away.The WBA stopped recognizing Liston (Who beat everyone) because he signed a rematch clause with Floyd. How ridiculous! Terrell went on tv shows claiming he was the "real Champ" but he was the one chasing after Ali for a shot. The WBA only gained credibility when Ali was stripped of his licsense and he announced he was giving up boxing while he fought his draft case in court. The WBA siezed the opportunity to stage a tournament with eight fighters battling for Ali's crown. It was televised over a period of months by "Wide World of Sports" giving them even more legitemacy. Frazier opted to go his own way as he was not quite ready and his Mgt wanted to pick his opponents. MSG realized they'd been scooped and later staged there own title tournament featuring Frazier v Buster Matthis. Only NYS recognized that fight as for the Title but more fans recognized the WBA Tournament. After all, Frazier was invited to participate but declined. The title was "unified" once again when Frazier fought Jimmy Ellis but the groundwork had been laid for today's alaphabet soup mess. The Tournament was exciting if you were a fan of one of the eight as you didn't have to wait until your guy got a title shot. I felt that Chuvalo should have been included despite his downward spiral due to his experience
Chuvalo is one of my favs., but I do think Terrel fought the fight he needed to by constant use of a good, very good jab, and not letting George get off by holding, which fans may groan about, but there are many fights won by holding when an opponent like George, has a damn good chin and power. Terrel neutralized Chavalo's power to body punch by hanging him up, and through the jab. Chuvalo stood as he always did, square in front of Terrel, and allowing him to rack up the points with his jab. George never used lateral movement, and took enormous punishment, more than necessary, but that was the fighter he was. He thought he had to take a lot to give some. Terrel's holding was just wise strategy, and although technically a foul, it's been used effectively habitually in boxing, with some warnings, point deductions, and even calling the fight in favor of the one being tied up and hugged too much. The ref here was very forgiving in favor of Terrel, but George didn't want on points, or strategy, Terrel did. Ol' George is till with us in his 80's, I believe, still not going down. Ya have to love George, what a courageous fighter.
Chuvalo did not throw enough punches to win the fight. Terrell hit him at will with the left. And I deducted points for the repeated rabbit punches Chuvalo threw. The rules are the rules. If you don't knock a man down or out you have to count the scoring punches no matter how aggressive the other guy is. For every good hard shot Chuvalo connected with, Terrell hit him 5 times. Terrell never went down so he took Chuvalo's hard shots and Terrell cut Chuvalo under both eyes visually showing that he hurt George. Judges notice that and rarely vote for a guy that looks like his face has been through a meat grinder. 147- 141 Terrell.
@@THEDONSTR8Fightah76 he is Croat but also Canadian . His real name is Jure Čuvalo. Two-time world heavyweight title challenger. Never been knocked out in 93 professional fights. Iron chin and iron balls.💪 He had a very sad story with his family (sons and wife)
So if you got in a fist fight with 5 guys in a bar and you had to pick 2 guys to help you.....who would it be Foreman, Tyson, Frazier, Ali, Chuvalo, Shavers or Lyle. ?? I'd pick George and George. Both George's could take a punch.
Lacking the ferocity of Rocky Marciano and a single punch kayo power he also had is what awayed the judges to give the decision to Terrell,who besides his jab was just an octopus seriously 😳 and still think George won because not only holding he was running away from him most of the fight.
@@THEDONSTR8Fightah76 Chuvalo did nothing but walk into jabs all night. just plodding, walking, and besides NOBODY considers this Tite fight....Ali proved that in what he did to Terrell. F#%k the WBA.
As far as who should've won this decision Chuvalo v Terrell, it's simple, who gives a shit. Can you imagine how these bums could've screwed the history of boxing? Nobody in the real world recognized this as a title fight since neither beat Sonny Liston, only Ali, who spanked treated them both like low rent sparring partners. You've got to give the WBA an A-plus for their effort in destroying the heavyweight division during the 1960's. They stripped Cassius Clay from their belt two years before he was even drafted by the army, so don't buy that bullshit. He was stripped for becoming Muhammad Ali, a member of the nation of Islam. The WBC tried to get him by not recognizing his 3rd time winning the title, and again nobody cared. Neither ever did apologize for their actions, to the man who helped them all by making boxing as enormous as it did.
Con respeto a todos los comentarios ,,,,esta pelea no importaba mucho Ali se los fumo a los dos y como dice un colega en el comentario a Ali tenían que agradecerle como hizo del boxeo un arte ,,,, ninguno de estos dos me merece respeto como boxeadores ,,,,como persona es otra cosa ,,,Chuvalo se repuso de unas pérdidas terribles de su flia etc....por lo que solo habló deportivamente ,,,,cada día que pasa se agranda la leyenda de Ali
@@THEDONSTR8Fightah76 the Klitschko’s made a career out of holding and jabbing. It is a legitimate tactic and if you outpoint your opponent you win. I ain’t black but Terrell won fair and square
Resin why flghters can't become or stay champ need to use right lf. Prob, tle left and that will solve weakness and more fighters could win tltles, just mad easier Ali, frasler destroyed lack 2 hands belng underslzed,
This match was for a phony crown. Muhammad Ali, still undefeated, had been illegitimately stripped of his title for refusing military induction into the criminal, barbaric war America was waging in Southeast Asia. Ironically, boxers who criticised him for taking that stand- Terrell, Patterson, Frazier and others, never volunteered to take his place in the rice paddies and river patrols. And by the way, Jim Brown, seated at ringside, could probably have licked both of these "champions".
![George Chuvalo vs. Jerry Quarry [HW.[Dec.12th-1969]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/SUWGNkHQiGA/mqdefault.jpg)
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Thanks for the video, STR8FIGHTAH
No problem brother.
Despite Chuvalo’s steel-reinforced concrete chin, you can see how his glacial foot speed made him meat for Ali, Frazier and Foreman. Chuvalo was there to be hit, and he was insulted if you missed him. But what a tough S. O. B.!!
Excellent assessment never could believe someone could be so swift of hands and same time plodding of foot
Yes George had power guts and heart but he didnt cut off the ring well with top notch boxers. Marciano got little credit for cutting off the ring but he did it well. Being short not too fast he would get even lower and land punches George never seem to get that part.
True, George must have used smelling-salts as aftershave, but who really wants their legacy to be that of a Timex watch?
As a fighter, I would take Terrell's jabs over Chuvalo's power-punches any day of the week. George deserved, at least, a draw, if not close win. It's like Canadian Boxing Authorities hated their own champion, George Chuvalo, with strong exception to the many Chuvalo fans that filled the Canadian Arena up. George was a well respected fighter here in the US because of his toughness, iron jaw, and never-say-quit outlook on fighting.
Beautiful words.
I really do like Chavulo roughhouse style, always came to fight win or lose.
Obviously had a cast iron chin which he's famous for! But I think he was an underated puncher too, can't remember the exact number but a high percentage of his wins were by knockout or ref stoppage.
Great fighter.
For Terrel to have won so clearly, the judges must have awarded an extra point a round for excessive holding.
Here's something overlooked. George was up in Canada where there were only 2-3 world class heavyweights, Who is he going to spar with on a daily basis to improve his skills? If he went to work for someone like Gill Clancy in New York he'd have been sparring with and learning from top ten heavyweights from all over the world who came to take part in MSG's Friday Night Fights.
Look how slim these guys were, Chavalo was considered stocky in those days, now we have body builders in there
Thanks for the gr8 upload, bro…meez from Toronto, too. What a shame, eh…no ‘home-cookin’ this night arrrggghhhhhhh🙄😩😭🥵😡😡😡 George was not only never knocked out, but never knocked off his feet…impossible-to-believe, even. After his fight vs Ali, George went dancing, whilst Ali went to the hospital! I ‘liked’ and subscribed…Happy New Year, & TY again, dear bruddah…what a robbery AND travesty = this fight. It makes me sick when I hear fellow Canucks say that Chuvalo was as tough as nails, a great fighter…& Canadian champion bla bla bla…without knowing/realizing that George was REALLY a *World champion*…an OUTRAGE, and makes me sick, bro…in his hometown, yet…unheard-of, to boot!😞😡😡😡
ALL facts bro.
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You're right. Chuvalo was robbed for the world title in this fight. In his hometown, which sucks even more.
I’ve always disliked the way that Terrel fights. Grabbing and hanging on his opponent’s, shamelessly and awkwardly draping himself over the other guy at every opportunity A frustrating guy to watch. Chavalo came to fight and Ernie came to wrestle I think Chavalo was robbed in this one.
His nick name was "Ernie the Octopus"
@@josephshields2922
Lol
Did anyone think of giving a penalty for holding?
28:45 Terrell's chin is outstanding. He looks like Holmes here or at least a Carl Williams. Terrell is way ahead of his time he looks like a modern 80's heavyweight tying up Jabbing and moving. Chuvalo looks a bit like Ingemar plodding for the home run.
I'll bring much terror to those who dislike my videos.
The announcer says in the 10th that Terrell has piled up a bunch of pts with the jab. In round 11 and on, Chavalo almost completely abandon's the Jab. He's certainly got a very questionable lead at that point if he did. I personally believe anyone scoring this has to have about 2 rounds minimum even. I have Terrell 144. Chavalo 143. That was being very liberal with Chavalo giving him some even rounds. Terrell won. Its close i gave Chavalo some rounds because of holding. But chavalo has to have far far less punches thrown, no matter what Terrell is in better shape. If George threw a regular Jab he would have taken some rounds but he was out of gas in my option. Last round i have as even.
Ok, I just got done scoring this fight. I'm from NY and scored by rounds Chuvalo 7 Rds to terrell 4 and 4 Rds even. The even Rounds were ones where Terrell was running and holding but on the other hand Chuvalo was just stalking and not doing much punching. If the judges gave those four to Ernie it would have been 8-7 terrell but that is a lot of derrerence to the "Champ" to swallow. No harm was done because George ended up getting the Ali match in Toronto. How do you guys get 146 when they said there are only 5 pts per round? THat is a 75 pt max.
Joseph Shields I think they were using “today’s” 10-point must system, not 1965 Canada’s 5-point must system.
It wasn't exactly Rocky vs Apollo Creed, except for the fictional title part, so the world thanks you for your sacrifice of time you'll never get back.
And something I learned the first year I started amateur boxing in the P.A.L. in the gym sparring sessions is if you are boxing a taller opponent you get low and come in out of a crouch and it’s a good way to box all the time because when you punch up you are punching with your whole body including your legs. And you have much more power than just your upper body and usually results in a telling blow or combination which is even better. Throwing combinations is a key to not getting hit also . Like when he parried the jab he should have thrown a left hook at the same time and followed up with a right hand. . Simeltaineously your opponent doesn’t even see it coming.
Heavyweight Title? Ha. No one paid any attention to the WBA in those days, it was comprised of mostly foreigners. NYS and The Ring were the last word on who was Champ and The Ring stood behind Ali when States were taking his title away.The WBA stopped recognizing Liston (Who beat everyone) because he signed a rematch clause with Floyd. How ridiculous! Terrell went on tv shows claiming he was the "real Champ" but he was the one chasing after Ali for a shot. The WBA only gained credibility when Ali was stripped of his licsense and he announced he was giving up boxing while he fought his draft case in court. The WBA siezed the opportunity to stage a tournament with eight fighters battling for Ali's crown. It was televised over a period of months by "Wide World of Sports" giving them even more legitemacy. Frazier opted to go his own way as he was not quite ready and his Mgt wanted to pick his opponents. MSG realized they'd been scooped and later staged there own title tournament featuring Frazier v Buster Matthis. Only NYS recognized that fight as for the Title but more fans recognized the WBA Tournament. After all, Frazier was invited to participate but declined. The title was "unified" once again when Frazier fought Jimmy Ellis but the groundwork had been laid for today's alaphabet soup mess. The Tournament was exciting if you were a fan of one of the eight as you didn't have to wait until your guy got a title shot. I felt that Chuvalo should have been included despite his downward spiral due to his experience
Terrel over Rated , Chuvalo the real Champ
Truth, brother.
Chuvalo is one of my favs., but I do think Terrel fought the fight he needed to by constant use of a good, very good jab, and not letting George get off by holding, which fans may groan about, but there are many fights won by holding when an opponent like George, has a damn good chin and power. Terrel neutralized Chavalo's power to body punch by hanging him up, and through the jab. Chuvalo stood as he always did, square in front of Terrel, and allowing him to rack up the points with his jab. George never used lateral movement, and took enormous punishment, more than necessary, but that was the fighter he was. He thought he had to take a lot to give some. Terrel's holding was just wise strategy, and although technically a foul, it's been used effectively habitually in boxing, with some warnings, point deductions, and even calling the fight in favor of the one being tied up and hugged too much. The ref here was very forgiving in favor of Terrel, but George didn't want on points, or strategy, Terrel did. Ol' George is till with us in his 80's, I believe, still not going down. Ya have to love George, what a courageous fighter.
Chuvalo won that fight+- still the Canadian Heavyweight Champion!🥊
Chuvalo did not throw enough punches to win the fight. Terrell hit him at will with the left. And I deducted points for the repeated rabbit punches Chuvalo threw.
The rules are the rules. If you don't knock a man down or out you have to count the scoring punches no matter how aggressive the other guy is. For every good hard shot Chuvalo connected with, Terrell hit him 5 times.
Terrell never went down so he took Chuvalo's hard shots and Terrell cut Chuvalo under both eyes visually showing that he hurt George.
Judges notice that and rarely vote for a guy that looks like his face has been through a meat grinder.
147- 141 Terrell.
George Chuvalo is KING.
Just like Rocky (Balboa) too bad they never fought.
@@perkinsvalentine tfoh
The fight Ali dubbed terrel the octopus. Chuvalo was robbed
Agreed. Terrell hit and ran every round. I'd say terrell's smart, Chuvalo's tough. After all, he is Canadian. :)
@@THEDONSTR8Fightah76 mate chuvalo might be the most underrated fighter ever. Tough fighter in a tough era
Chuvalo was bigger than Marciano, had the same tenacity, and an even better chin. good punch, could have done even better had he a good trainer.
@@THEDONSTR8Fightah76 he is Croat but also Canadian . His real name is Jure Čuvalo. Two-time world heavyweight title challenger. Never been knocked out in 93 professional fights.
Iron chin and iron balls.💪
He had a very sad story with his family (sons and wife)
@@t.r.8386 I read his autobiography. I’m from Toronto. I got his autograph once. Recently.
If you guys are Canadians maybe you can get the Patterson v. Durelle Fights.
Joe Louis once called Terrell an amateur even though joe was in ernie's corner. Ezzard charles criticized him as well.
So if you got in a fist fight with 5 guys in a bar and you had to pick 2 guys to help you.....who would it be Foreman, Tyson, Frazier, Ali, Chuvalo, Shavers or Lyle. ??
I'd pick George and George. Both George's could take a punch.
Hurricane Carter
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Depends how big the guys you are fighting are.
Can't forget Sonny Liston
Liston and Rubin.
Lacking the ferocity of Rocky Marciano and a single punch kayo power he also had is what awayed the judges to give the decision to Terrell,who besides his jab was just an octopus seriously 😳 and still think George won because not only holding he was running away from him most of the fight.
The REAL champion in this clip is Jim Brown.
Nah. Me.
Could have been scored for Chuvalo
Not at all a robbery, Terrell outjabbed and outboxed Chuvalo for most of the fight.
that's cute.
If Chuvalo , throw more combinations , he would have knocked Terrel out , George doesn't have a high punch rate !
Floyd Patterson said he'd be a great fighter if he learned to throw combonations instead of one punch at a time.
Good night l now realise why Liston said l wouldn't fight Terrell he would hug me more than my wife. Ernie the Octopus.
Chuvalo EASILY lost this fight. He looked like crap in this fight. Terrell EASILY won.
Hold and moving and throwing a hundred jabs a round does not make you a CHAMPION. Chuvalo deserved that win much more than tall, skinny man terrell.
Chuvalo was the superior boxer and puncher and man. Terrell easily LOST this fight. octopus.
you're dumb if you think that. this was a very close match.
@@THEDONSTR8Fightah76 Chuvalo did nothing but walk into jabs all night. just plodding, walking, and besides NOBODY considers this Tite fight....Ali proved that in what he did to Terrell. F#%k the WBA.
@@thespy7795 okay then
As far as who should've won this decision Chuvalo v Terrell, it's simple, who gives a shit. Can you imagine how these bums could've screwed the history of boxing? Nobody in the real world recognized this as a title fight since neither beat Sonny Liston, only Ali, who spanked treated them both like low rent sparring partners.
You've got to give the WBA an A-plus for their effort in destroying the heavyweight division during the 1960's. They stripped Cassius Clay from their belt two years before he was even drafted by the army, so don't buy that bullshit. He was stripped for becoming Muhammad Ali, a member of the nation of Islam. The WBC tried to get him by not recognizing his 3rd time winning the title, and again nobody cared. Neither ever did apologize for their actions, to the man who helped them all by making boxing as enormous as it did.
George Chuvalo was no bum fighter. Lost me at that point.
What heavyweight championship of the world? No matter what public opinion was at that time, Ali was still the champion.
Con respeto a todos los comentarios ,,,,esta pelea no importaba mucho Ali se los fumo a los dos y como dice un colega en el comentario a Ali tenían que agradecerle como hizo del boxeo un arte ,,,, ninguno de estos dos me merece respeto como boxeadores ,,,,como persona es otra cosa ,,,Chuvalo se repuso de unas pérdidas terribles de su flia etc....por lo que solo habló deportivamente ,,,,cada día que pasa se agranda la leyenda de Ali
Chavalo lost by all standards. Hold and moving are legitimate tactics.
Hold and moving and throwing a hundred jabs a round does not make you a CHAMPION. Chuvalo deserved that win much more than tall, skinny man terrell.
@@THEDONSTR8Fightah76 the Klitschko’s made a career out of holding and jabbing. It is a legitimate tactic and if you outpoint your opponent you win. I ain’t black but Terrell won fair and square
@@1234576787 I don’t care what any new school fighter did.
@@1234576787 terrell sucks and didn’t fight Ali as good as Chuvalo either.
@@THEDONSTR8Fightah76 doesn’t matter, Chuvalo still lost this fight. Outpointed, outmatched
Resin why flghters can't become or stay champ need to use right lf. Prob, tle left and that will solve weakness and more fighters could win tltles, just mad easier Ali, frasler destroyed lack 2 hands belng underslzed,
Smart ring generalship, löl.
This match was for a phony crown. Muhammad Ali, still undefeated, had been illegitimately stripped of his title for refusing military induction into the criminal, barbaric war America was waging in Southeast Asia. Ironically, boxers who criticised him for taking that stand- Terrell, Patterson, Frazier and others, never volunteered to take his place in the rice paddies and river patrols. And by the way, Jim Brown, seated at ringside, could probably have licked both of these "champions".
that's the most absurde comment I've ever read. Straight nonsense.
crapping on Chuvalo. Chuvalo would decapitate Jim Brown.
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