As always, I agree with you. Unfortunately, it's Not going away. The only common ground would be it's only allowed in practice. I used to watch MLF to see the most skilled Anglers in the world compete. Now it's a bunch of rich kids playing connect the dots. So sad.....😢
Amen!! They actually never have been and for those of us who are paying attention we know what the real threat to destroying bass fisheries is and it ain't some new tech like FFS
I agree. The more tournaments I watch, the more I think this is not "just another tool." That's just the lazy/stock argument you hear from people who don't actually want to think about this tech. The same people can't answer the question, "How far is too far?"
Also don't we get tired watching them catch bass on freaking swimbaits that are just big crappie jigs geez it's so bland and there's no pizzazz there's no fun the fun of bass fishing is being able to mix up lures and kill him one day It's one certain lure the next day and I get shit on that same lure
We are starting our weekly tournaments in just a few weeks and we left it to the anglers whether or not to allow it. Guys 85 percent are wanting us to not allow it myself included, the rest want it . We are NOT allowing it at any of our tournaments this year . Hope there are more to follow in this process with us! Good luck out there guys n gals and rip them lips like our granddads and dads have for years!!
We have about 16 in our club and 3 have the FFS but it seems they haven’t figured it out yet. I have finished in the top 2 or 3 over the past at least 4 years. I tell them all the time that it’s not that I am a good fisherman it’s just that you guys suck. But when they do figure it out it may be a different story. I am not a fan of it in tournaments but practice is a different ballgame.
@@rollievancleave7753 they are to unhook it prior to takeoff. They are 5 boats that patrol and watch the anglers during the tournament anyone caught using it will forfeit their entries and be unable to enter any tournaments thereafter, plus we trust our anglers to abide by the rules and at the first yearly meeting it was voted on to not use it. We have a group of 30 boats totaling 60+ anglers, not only on our lake but this weekly tournament is three days a week three different lakes.
People will say anything to justify it because they know it makes Bass Fishing easier for them period. The days of having to have an array of skills that took years to learn in order to consistently catch fish are over with because of FFS. All you have to know is how to wonder around aimlessly with your trolling motor staring at a screen and develop enough skills to efficiently throw at marks on your screen. That's it that is literally all that is required, and after about 3 trips practicing how to get better at landing casts to your marks, anyone can do it and compete. There is no other skill required, and that is fact. I know young anglers that just started fishing that have it and consistently beat anglers that have worked their entire lives to become great anglers. Just like with the upcoming Bassmaster Classic that IS 100% gonna be won on FFS any of these young anglers I just me mentioned could win that tournament if they were able to fish it. People will say "You still gotta find em" and that is absolutely ridiculous anyone knows that winter and early spring bass eating balls of shad are completely random. Any angler with this technology can start wondering around creek and river channels and find any winning school In any tournament. FFS is literally ruining the sport we all love in real time right before our eyes.
Couldn’t have said it any better. Agree 100%. So many people love the easy way out and prefer taking short cuts. Those same people say dumb shit like “it doesn’t catch the fish for you” and justify FFS with zero logic. When you put your bait in front of bass all day, of course your chances of getting bit are going to skyrocket. And it no longer matters why the fish are there. They’re just there so let’s catch them. It’s no longer fishing. It’s simply catching. There is no puzzle, no mystery to be solved each day on the water. That’s the part I’ve always loved most. Really sad that this is the direction of a sport I’ve always loved.
@Benwtradarchery I do have it and still despise it. I use it in order to compete regionally, and that is another reason I hate what it has done to bass fishing. I see by your name that you're more than likely into archery.. it's no different than shooting 3D competitions. If there was a device that allowed new archers to consistently beat seasoned veterans when used the industry would be in a similar situation. You could not compete shooting traditional equipment. I love tournament fishing, so I have it in order to be relevant. However I see what it has done for the sport and it has allowed anglers just getting g started to beat anglers that have paid their dues their entire lives in order to get to that level.
@@danielw2120 this is precisely why I don't blame any of the tournament anglers themselves for using FFS in order to compete. It's the big tournament organizations like BASS that need to keep the technology advancement under control in the sport so that it doesn't morph into something different entirely. Young kids adept at using the technology should not be able to just come right up and start excelling right away. It devalues the process. So many people today just want instant gratification and for everything to be made easy, even if that means not developing our own skills and abilities in the process.
It’s not going anywhere cracks me up people still talk about it it is what it is if you don’t like it don’t use it stop complaining and I don’t even own it yet
@GregDelR33 I couldn't agree more! I hope something is done and done soon to control it before it's too late. It doesn't look good there is so much money behind it at this point.. The tournament organizations don't want anglers complaining or voicing their true opinions either. They'll normalize it and push the usually talking points, "Its just another tool" or "Its not that easy you still have to locate the fish" That is the scary part people that used to voice concerns about it seem to be complacent with its effects. .
I agree with you Randy. I am old school when it comes to bass fishing and tournaments bass fishing. I was taught how to read a topo map and the lakes by looking at the banks and feeder creeks, and forage. I also understand bass and their season movements, and I love the hunting part of bass fishing. I do not have the money to spend on any of that forward facing technology. I am an older man of 70, I know a young man who is 21. I have tried to take him under my wing and teach him the natural way to hunt bass. He never had the patience to learn this way, and says it take too long. He has fished in local club and state tournaments, but he has never done well in the small money tournaments, that he competes in. Two years back he come into a large sum of money. He spent a lot of money on the forward facing teach. He now is winning money and some small local tournaments. He told me once you learn this live scope it so easy to catch bass. Every now and then we go bass fishing together, and when we fish from my boat that does not have live scope. He never catches many fish. I out fish him almost 10 to 1. I think this is very sad that many young fishermen today will not take the time to learn how to hunt bass without any high-tech equipment on their boats.
At first, I bought into it’s just another tool. However, it is not just another tool in my opinion the livescope wins have completely got out of hand with 90% of tournaments being one on livescope. My biggest gripe about livescope is the fact that it’s being used in high school tournaments where half the field does not have access due to one reason or another. It has most certainly gotten out of hand.
I completely agree. I hear that comment a lot too. “It’s just another tool and it’s here to stay.” My favorite saying is “everyone wants to talk about how many fish are caught off FFS but they don’t say how many don’t bite!!!!!” Seriously. If they didn’t bite so easy, nobody would buy it. In some tournaments the A rig isn’t allowed to be used cause they say it’s too easy to catch off the A rig. A rig compared to FFS. Seriously. Get a grip people.
It's not a matter of biting easy, it's spotlighting, if you drop a lure 100x more in a fish's face ofcourse you'll catch more throughout the day. It takes all skills and effort out of the sport. Now for the average angler who doesn't have years to dedicate, I understand using FFS to help a little. But common, go play videos games if you're gonna stare at a screen for 8 hours while outside lol... Right?
This is the video that has resonated with me the most. Why? Because Randy said the word 'sanctuary' This is a term I believe Buck Perry first coined with regard to where fish spend most of their time. Especially in unstable weather. The sanctuary is now exposed and vulnerable in such a sudden and drastic manner. I want to perhaps suggest 'off shore' or 'open water' be referred to as sanctuary depths or structures. That what a majority of the fish are related to, a physical structure. Haha, I am one of those old school guys trolling, with my tiller outboard, using spoonplugs in the depths most fishermen don't know how to reach. Now one can plop down a few grand and shortcut all the work that would typically be required to learn the what/when/where of structure fishing. I stand behind the movement to protect FFS from harming our fish population.
You are exactly right but my question is is why hasn't anyone come up even with local tournaments where it is not allowed.... just wondering.... I think it would be a huge turnout for these true NO TECHNOLOGY tournaments
I know it's not for me, tried it.I'm old school. I am not fishing as many tournaments this year because of ffs. I don't watch fishing on tv because of it, boring. I will fish a couple in the spring with the fish being shallow, usually have a good bite figured out. Thanks Randy for your videos. Spot on
They will never ban the technological advancements in the sport of fishing. BASS will continue to create content that people can watch. There are millions who will continue to watch no matter what. Cant go backwards.
Why do you even enter tournaments that you feel are not evenly matched or live scope is allowed? I'm not for live scope in tournaments, but I definitely wouldn't enter one if i disagree with the rules no matter what the rules are. Love your videos, very informative.
Randy, the bigger problem, which is what makes live scoping win so many tournaments, is TOO MANY BIG TOURNAMENTS RELOCATING LARGE NUMBERS OF LARGE BASS to areas that they are unfamiliar with. Take Table Rock as an example. All the big 100 to 200 boat tournaments weigh in at either State Park or Kimberling City. Your odds of winning while also burning a bunch of gas running 30 miles up a river is slim and none because the majority of the bigger bass are hanging out within 5 miles of those two weigh in sites. And those bigger bass often school up and are suspending off shore somewhere where only live scoping will find them. TRUTH.
Money money money….it’s always money…..it’s a rich man’s world. I believe that’s the line from the Abba song. You hit the nail on the head Randy. It’s all about money and catching those double digit Bass. The only way tournament directors will learn is when the fish population crashes and a tournament gets won with less than 10 lbs.
Sort of along the same lines would be a range finder. As a highly ranked amateur golfer we have to rely on practice rounds and notes from previous rounds of golf to figure out the distance to the pin. With a range finder(which is not allowed during tournaments)you can just line up the crosshairs onto the pin and know exactly what distance you have.
Randy, don't give up the fight, I started playing golf in the 80's, the PGA is always putting the breaks on certain technologies, Nascar is the best example of a sport pulling back on technology, the cup cars have been going over 200 mph since the 70's, Nascar is constantly slowing them down.
Randy, I agree there is a problem with FFS in tournaments. I see you passion, so what are you going to do about it? Change will not happen quickly and not without a struggle. Please get organized and fight for what you believe in. You been around a long time and know a lot of people, find support for your cause.
I totally agree. He just sounds anymore like a sorry old man preaching to his kids in his weblo scouts meeting he runs. My guess is he’s lost his circle other than friends that won’t admit they are friends with him. Very hard to watch him rant anymore .
I don't understand how livescope is cost prohibitive. You can get a livescope setup for $1000 right now. When you compare that to what a spot lock trolling motor, power poles, most 9-12" graphs, and boats cost, it isn't really that much. Not to mention how much money people have tied up in rods, reels and tackle.
I would venture to say over 50% of the folks commenting on here that also hunt have high dollar scopes and range finders?….. Are fish caught with FFS handled any differently at weigh in than fish caught traditionally? If we are loosing those fish for some reason then I understand the concern but I am not sure we are. I fish weekly jackpot tourneys and there has never been a question at our weigh ins of how the fish were caught and I would say I have yet to see many if any dead fish weighed in. I personally do no use FFS and have not cashed a check in over a year but I do not think the folks using FFS are any less advocates for the health of our fish just because they upgraded their equipment and or have the sponsorship to do so are they? I live in Texas and there is BIG monies spent on deer, hog and bird hunting annually and like I said most of these folks have high dollar equipment to help them out. This certainly has become an interesting topic.
Sidenote, a better analogy for football would be if they made a ball that would constantly spiral the ball would position itself to be thrown perfectly every time thus, taking away, a majority of the skill needed to throw the ball properly. These are things that we are certainly capable of, but don’t allow for obvious reasons.
Agreed, it's not "just another tool". I hate that phrase. The Alabama rig comparison is also ridiculous. Sure fish got conditioned to the Alabama rig. It was only banned at the top level. It's still been used for the past 10yrs or so. The Alabama rig is very limited on how it can evolve. More wires, blades, heavy fluoro instead of wire, that's about it. So yeah fish can evolve to that and the rig becomes less effective. The sonar is a computer. Look how fast computers have evolved in the past 10yrs. Sure the fish may get conditioned to the current version of FFS but the computer will evolve faster to combat that evolution.
Randy, I agree 100% with you on this subject!!!👍👊The sport of fishing is going out the window. 😣 Like you said Sponsorships is the name of the game today!!! Let's get back to the good ole way and stop hurting our sport!! Stay Safe & God Bless!!
Tournament fishing is pretty much done ! And our lakes are destroyed as well ! All of the lake that were great fishing holes are done. A 10lb bag is a big sack now and a 15 lb bag is a dream. I recently started back fishing in the last year from a 10 year break due to work. I was shocked to see the shape of our lakes and the lack of 3 to 7 pound fish ! Ive caught alot of big bags of fish in my life ! And they are gone ! Ive been told excuses like we had a bass virus, to stories of people keeping 100 bass a day due to the wardens being spread to thin. I went by our big fish hatchery the other day and it didn't even look like it was working anymore ! ARE THEY RESTOCKING OUR LAKES ? IF NOT WHY ? THESE ARE THE QUESTIONS WE ALL NEED TO BE ASKING ! In five years our lakes will be past the point of no return ! They are dying ! We need bait programs, and we need fish stocking programs ! And not putting Blue Catfish in the lakes to eat the damn shad up and the bass fry after they spawn.
Took 28 lbs to win on pickwick this weekend, several bags over 20 and even more over 19……. No lake in America gets more pressure and it has been that way for 40+ yrs
Why are there "rules" against corked bats ?? And PED's ??? BECAUSE...it creates an ADVANTAGE for lesser skilled competitors to EXCEL !!!! YEP. I said it....bring on the haters.. I fish for the enjoyment...not to be rich and famous !!!!🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬
If you ever gone to the boat ramp launch your boat getting ready for a wonderful day and realized you're in the middle of a cockeyed fishing tournament believe me it's not good
Exactly! The only thing that should be banned is tournaments. My home waters does not allow tournaments, is 100% catch and release and has a $250 fine for putting a bass in a livewell, even for 1 minute. Also, literally EVERY boat has FFS. The result? Not only is this body of water rated by BASS as the #1 lake in the country but over 80 bass over 8 lbs were caught last year alone and those only the ones reported to the lunker program. These objective facts kinda put big hole in Randy's argument that FFS is filling the sport - pretty obvious from this data it's tournaments which are the real killers ...
They could make it illegal to be on the bow and only allow it to be on the steering wheel for scouting only. And not allow it to pivot only look forward so you can only scout with it at the captain chair
From Russ Lane "The last 2 days of practice at Ouachita I felt I was getting dialed in at the right time. Committed to Livescoping all week, I could see most of the fish would spook off to the bottom when I threw a jighead minnow at them earlier in the week. The little slow falling @big_bite_baits Skinny Stick was getting way more aggressive bites. They would come flying up from 15-20' to get it. For some reason though, of which I have no clue, that all changed in the areas I was in. Everything including the tiny worm seemed to spook them except for a jerkbait. Although they would follow and get right on it most of them wouldn't touch it. The ones I did catch were all on the back hook! As frustrating as another rough finish was I wouldn't change my approach or much of anything. Obviously I knew Ouachita would be dominated with scoping pelagic fish but there could be a window open for someone to win cranking that sneaky secondary structure that I built my career on years ago. (Congrats to local Jeremiah Kindy on pulling that off!) The only way to develop instincts with a new technique is to commit to it. For anyone that thinks scoping is just video games and no instincts are needed I believe you would be wrong. The same guys are making the right adjustments everyday because they have put in the work. I may be a slow learner but I will catch up".
What I don’t understand these tournaments will allow all this tech, but ban fishing nets which actually is a safety concern with getting hooked. I guess there’s no net sponsorship!
Here is my hope. FFS is a technique that employs a limited arsenal of baits. Damiki rigs, jerkbaits, swimbaits, etc. Traditional bait companies such as Strike King, Berkeley, etc. are gonna get hammered. They will rise up. I hope.
Obviously you have to know how to use it correctly because I have FF and it has only payed off for me once. I have only used it 6-7 times but so far it seems to hinder me more than benefit. I guess I’ll get better with it but last time I went to a deep clear highland reservoir. I was throwing a small demiki style bait and had 1 bite. I guess I simply suck at using it but for sure you don’t automatically catch fish.
It is another tool..the only thing it does is allow you to go after fish we never could.. on most days most fish are suspended over deeper water..Anglers are now able to target those fish.. and stop saying you just drive around until you see one.. you still have to know where to look.. and the most important tool on your boat to find bass is side imaging.
I disagree here I just saw a video with Edwin Evers and he has two ffs up front and he said all he has to do is drive in the middle of a cove and he can cover bank to bank.
I say, again Randy.... Initiate tournament categories so that technology isn't banned but corralled. Let fishermen/women pick which categories they'll compete in. From cane pole to dynamite. From row boat to air boat. From live bait to spider rigging crankbaits. From depth plumb, a map and compass to gps/livescope. And so on and so forth.
For those who do not agree with Livescope it's your opinion. Is it any different than years back when technology went from a flasher unit to the paper graphs to now side imaging and down imaging to 360? They ALL are another tool to see contours, deprh and bottom structure. Not sure why that is any different from Livescope. It's not any different than the progression of artificial baits. If you don't agree with Livescope, then all the electronic equipment and daily upgrades in baits should be banned. And even with Livescope it DOES NOT make the bass bite...it is just a tool to locate...
Wouldn't hurt my feelings if tournament fishing and livescope went away. You cant even go to the river now without some kind of tournament goin on. I started fishing for big catfish and now they have tournaments all the time. Everything goes to crap as soon as money gets involved.
I’ve been commenting on a lot of these ffs videos that we always knew those fish were out there and trolling was the only efficient way to target them before ffs. I’ve been able to remain competitive on my local level without it largely because of having a lot of Tidal water events. Spotlighting is not fishing, keep fighting the good fight!
Another sport that has been negatively affected by technology is golf. Improvement in golf clubs and balls has significantly increased driving distances. How was this handled? They had to add hundreds of yards to golf courses. Look at the Masters, they had to redo the golf course rather than putting limitations on balls and clubs. A lake cannot be altered. Keep up the good fight Randy.
Fishing tournaments, on lakes specifically are an absolute joke anymore. I'm fishing ponds, creeks and rivers more than ever now and will never go back. Keep FFS & all the drama on the lakes, leave the remainder alone for those whom enjoy the process.
I wonder if pros like Wheeler, DC and Milliken really believe they’ll continue to dominate, because they won’t. FFS opens the door for thousands of anglers that will be able to achieve the same results as those guys in a very short period of time.
@@Lray4x4 since there’s evidently no learning curve, i would let this dude take my boat, on Jordan Lake (one of the best lakes in the country) with me as a co-angler, and if he could catch a “winning” limit in 8hrs I’ll give him $500…. Nah I’ll do $500 if he catches a limit period, solely using livescope…. Guys are definitely gonna come up and beat those boys. But if it was they easy, @ganntrey480 should be able to qualify for the elites next year right, no problem. Right?
My answer to your question. Excellent point, but bad example. Unlike those magic shoes that only a few pros can afford, just about all the pros are able to access FFS. The tech companies will incorporate planned obselecence, so that with every new generation of the products it will become even easier to find, identify and catch big bass in any area of the lake under any conditions. And while the tech companies get richer the pros will lose their need to understand bass behavior and their need to understand diverse fishing applications. You are correct, it is not "one more tool for the tool box." It is "abandon the old tool box and invest in a single application that allows me to compete with others who are using the same application." Maybe a better example - Major League Baseball allowing all players to use an extremely high tech composite bat that easily allows players to turn routine pop ups into 800 foot home runs. That practice would not be allowed BY MLB, and they have the authority to maintain an environment that allows partipants to compete based on a broad based set of skills. Many tournament anglers included offshore fishing prior to FFS. For some, it was a primary strength. But their ability to fairly compete on the tourney trail at a high level still required a broader skill set. When a product is introduced to the market that has a negative overall impact, and there will be others, the governing body needs to have the authority to set parameters.
Its the evolution of fish finders, the traditional 2 d , then high resolution down scan, then the side scan and 360 view, all are helpful for finding fish, ffs finds them and gets you real time location, now you cast to a target instead oh hoping something is down there, fishing guides like it when customer gets more bites so i am sure most guides will want to be using it
Traditional sonar is not spotlighting so it's OK for him to use it,the side scan and down scan might be OK too cuz he's not complaining on a regular schedule like live scope about those 2 kinds of sonars
It's true. A lot of these bigger fish suspend over main lake basins and points, just floating out there waiting to be easily picked off by livescope. All those fish used to be the "lost bass" or "ghost bass" before livescope. Nobody knew where they went, now they know.
I do not fish for a living so I will not buy FFS. But I always remember as a child fishing and not knowing how big or what kind of fish I would catch. I think that’s what’s being taken away with FFS. I would rather be in suspense about what I could catch !!
PMTT does not allow FFS in tournaments. FFS will be the death of fishing. I think individual lakes or individual states should ban FFS. If caught with it, it will be confiscated and destroyed.
You're beating a dead horse Randy. Everyone in this country under the age of 40 grew up with a computer and a cell phone. That's all they know or care about. Knowledge is everything to them regardless how they obtain it. Why should they want to spend years learning how to locate and catch fish by actually fishing for them when they can just turn on a computer and have it point the way to the fish? The only way this sonar technology will stop is if BASS outlaws them like they did the A Rig.
The technology (like it or not) will continue to improve/expand....next up will be glasses fisherman will wear that project the images onto the lens of their sunglasses (no more need for large screens)....I won't/don't use it as I am a recreational fisherman and enjoy the challenge of fishing without all the latest technology....some of the best/most satisfying/fun days I have had fishing were the days I fished for hours and only caught a few fish, sometimes just one fish on my "last cast"....much more about being on the water/fresh air/sun/peacefullness for me....keep fighting the good fight
I got to say I'm just like you and the way I feel about it is we've already won the race it's just sad that other people don't have the insight and ability to appreciate what we do but Randy is starting to open some eyes I hope even though he is a cockeyed tournament fisherman he has the moral content that really makes a good person I respect and appreciate him
Randy, as you know I was at the BFL weigh-in (we chatted a couple of times and got a selfie together). The thing that struck me with the kid who won was he was so young. A LOT of those anglers weighing in 14+lb bags were. Like, hardly able to shave young. You can’t tell me these guys without their electronics would have a snowballs chance in hell competing well enough to cut a check….or even limit out on a day like yesterday.
I agree that pulling 20lbs+ under those conditions has to be directly attributed to FFS. However, the youth that are showing the skills to win cannot be attributed solely to FFS. Professional fishing has become mainstream and glamorous. Just like all the other one sport kid athletes that are taking the stage in other mainstream sports. Bass fishing is not exempt. While my generation may have started fishing at a young age. We were not focused on tournament fishing. We are seeing a generation of young anglers that grew up with tournament fishing as a mainstream sport. There entire fishing life has been focused on tournament fishing and they are exhibiting skills that they have been honing since a very young age
@@5150Fishing it’s not solely to FFS. There is more information immediately available now than there ever has. So there is that. But I still stand by that if you removed it, you’d see experience that only comes with years on the water come back into the lead.
@@5150Fishing what is they say to the “old guys”? Either learn it or be left behind”? So the same can be said in the reverse. I have to say, I was all for FFS when it first came out. I have been a tournament fan and spectator since the early 90’s and I almost can’t even stand watching tournaments anymore. It’s mind numbingly boring now that shows little casting or lake break down skill or pattern defining. Watching a guy watch a screen with a line in the water is not fun or entertaining or exciting. I am about to give up my cabin on grand next month for the classic. Don’t really want to waste my time and money watching dudes watch tv
@@rosschappell7014 I agree that watching tournaments sucks. In re: to the kids and young anglers coming up. I think that a good number of them, not all but a significant number, would be able to excel in tournaments WITHOUT FFS. If it’s banned, and I hope it is, we’ll see a strong field of young and hungry anglers atop the leaderboards
U are right but u are reminding me of the Fox News anchors Randy. Your are preaching to the choir. I don’t think all your blackballing of yourself Randy is worth it. This is the choir. Might make u feel good seeing people say “right on” but u are not influencing any change. If u know so many people go do something about it.
States DNR or fisheries need to step up to help stop this technology from ruining our resources. No different than letting hunters use drones with cameras, infrared or heat seeking devises to find what they are hunting. Unethical and make hunting easy.
I sort of agree with the analogy, but livescope can be purchased by most everyone that wants it. Here is where FFS rules will be put in place, it’s going to be when anyone with just a little knowledge can win a tourney. I really hope pros like Wheeler and DC don’t think they’ll continue to dominate because they won’t. The technology is still new and the learning curve is steep, but it won’t be for long….
Totally agree said this a while back . There won’t be many dominate anglers it will wind up with many different people winning in no particular order once they get good at it. Just depends on who finds the big bass schools of the day.
Randy, I have agreed with you before on this issue. After listening to this video and took a pause and just thought about it I have the answer. MONEY. Thats it. Period.
I've always enjoyed fishing because it's an intersection of nature, science, art and Livescoping is disrespectful to all three. The fun, for me, is putting together a plan based on time of year, time of day, weather patterns, light conditions, type of fish etc. Just watching a screen ignores all of this and cheapens the sport. Actually there is NO sport in livescoping!!!! I'm confident when I say that if this is not banned, the SPORT of fishing AND the fisheries themselves are done!!!
Bass fishing is no longer a sport and bass anglers are no longer athletes. Tournament fishing is an advertising gimmick and the anglers are being used as the "tools" as costs to fish tournaments are higher than ever and payouts are lower than ever, but the tech companies are making piles of money on the backs of the anglers (pawns).
I don’t understand why people think that Randy is trying to ban live scope. Nobody is trying to tell a recreational angler what kind of technology he’s allowed to use in his free time fun fishing this is an argument centered entirely around competitive fishing. I don’t understand why it’s so hard to understand that we are at a point now we’re no one single organization is going to have all the top anglers so we might as well have separate trails with different technology regulations. It’s really not that big a deal.
The fish will (already hearing they are) learn to sense the ffs and shy away. Just like if you graph over your brush too much they spook. We’re in the frenzy stages right now. I still think it needs removed from tournaments.
Because of the all mighty $ I don't see them banning it. The electronic companies invest to much $ into the organizations to allow that to happen. Eventually the tournament organizations might put limitations on it, at most in my opinion. If one of the organizations did not allow FFS during tournaments it would end up dominanting with viewership & fan support for sure!
Livescope is diminishing the word professional!! Being a professional used to mean that your abilities to find fish were just as important to your ability to catch fish. Not anymore!!!! Pros aren't pros when they need a crutch to help them be competitive
100% correct. If it didn't make catching fish so easy it's cheating, then so many people wouldn't use it, and so many people wouldn't get SO defensive when someone criticizes its use.
Clearly you couldn’t catch them off 2 D which is the same thing. Or side scan which makes locating fish easier it’s the same thing. I’ve seen more people burned on FFs then do well.
I think we need to come out with a lure that has a miniature camera and a remote transducer that will link with our 3D sonar and display on our heads up display on your RB 10 series 5K sunglasses and not let anybody else know we are using them and enter local Kayak tournaments and whack the shit 💩 out of them and win every tournament and watch them send in the feds to investigate us worse than the walleye cheaters or the Kansas crappie record cheater lately. This year my goal is a 10 + pound bass with using nothing more than a Garmin Striker 4 CV on a Perception Pescador Pilot 12.0 powered by my own 2 legs without a trolling motor. Hopefully they don’t outlaw homemade lures due to high paid lure company lobbyists in Washington passing laws that only allow the use of lures labeled as FFS certified🤔🤔🙄🙄🙄
Live scope is NOT just another tool it's changing the name of the sport! It's no longer "Fishing" the name should be changed to "Catching" The fact Milliken qualified in one tournament is a perfect example!
NFL players would have access to these “hi tech” shoes. So if Mahomes tried to jump over the line, the defense would jump the same height. FFS is available to every single angler out there. You aren’t comparing apples to apples.
Again time to separate the two styles high tech and traditional and see what audiences watch more or maybe both double the experience and target lakes that are over fished with a more traditional style.
Every Pro Fisherman can afford a Live Scope. The problem is that Pro Tournament Fishing is no longer a Sport. It is Commercialism. It is all about selling their products. So they need to decide if they want it a Sport or if they want it solely to sell their products. Live Scope won’t be removed, as long as they keep Pro Fishing a Marketing Ploy, and not a Sport.
Sorry but it is - just like electronic mapping, GPS, SS, down scan, 2D sonar, power poles, 4 stroke engines, etc, etc, etc. they all enable fisherman to be better at bass fishing in one way or another. You can't just cherry pick the tech you don't like. Hell, the real tech killing bass is the live well which gives the illusion that we are not hurting them and therefore it's ok to haul them all over the lake for 8 hrs ...
Actually none of what you listed is like "LIVE" sonar. Mainly because none of the things you listed allow the angler to see a LIVE image of a fish and it's natural movements in real time. Definitely not the same lol
@@kylerichardt3551 advancements in tech are all advancements in capability. While different tech advances different aspects of fishing it still all has the same effect. Power poles help you be better at catching fish just like gps mapping helps and side scan helps and 2D sonar helps, etc. FFS is just the latest tech. When it was revealed that KVD had been exploiting side scan tech before most had ever heard of it there was the exact same 'backlash' you're hearing from some of how it was going " to destroy bass fishing ..." go back and read some of the stuff from back then, it sounds EXACTLY like what you hear today. Last I checked side scan has not destroyed bass fishing. The problem is people have either selective memories or were not involved long ago to remember. Nice thing about being old is you have an understanding of actual history - not just the current social media narrative. If you want to have some fun, go look up in the history what society was saying about what the invention of the telephone was going to do to society ... technological advancement is how America became the greatest nation on earth and I for one would never want us to stop innovating ... don't like the tech? You're free to ignore it but you then don't get to complain that others have an advantage just because you choose not to use it ...
@@kylerichardt3551 you're missing my point ... ALL tech is designed to help angers catch more bass but they each contribute to the equation in a different way. Electronic mapping & GPS was absolute game changer in helping anglers catching bass because it allows anglers to pinpoint underwater structure within feet of accuracy but nobody is saying that the 'sky is falling down'. ... they were when it first came out but now it's just end accepted as 'no big deal'. The same will happen with FFS. If you want to have some fun go read the history of the invention of the telephone (not cell phone) and read what the social warriors of the day were saying about the demise of society because of this new tech. You could literally take what some of their quotes were, substitute "FFS" for "telephone" and it would look like a 'Randy rant" video ... that's worth a lol ...
I agree Randy , get rid of that space age crap, its recking fishing and throwing away skills, wisdoms and knowledge of time on water and years of experience from working hard and discipline dedication, technology obviously killing many hunting, and fishing hard worked earned training that everyone seems to be throwing away for simplicity, its a thousand times more rewarding for the hard work , and discipline factor, like my beloved traditional archery, and i could go on forever of why the hard work and discipline of this art, theres nothing better 👊
Live weigh in kills fish. Thats a fact. Many studies have proven so, google around. Per usangler Pennsylvania fish and boat commission mortality rates: Caught and released immediately 1.3% Held in a live well and culled 14.9% Brought to weigh in 39.1% You and a whole generation of tournament angles have hauled fish to a ramp, so you can hold up a half dead bass, smile and say megabass. I'm not surprised the number of fish on visible or shallow structures are low. Those fish are dead. During the prefish you said the water needed be warmer for the pattern you planned on. Coming back and saying you got beat by as fish finder is a little silly. The number of tournaments held on a body of water needs regulation. Live weigh in needs to stop. Bedding fish caught and not released immediately needs to stop. Bass fishing is a business not a sport. Guys are going to Fish the money. Those fish are offshore where the bank pounders have not caught out. If you can't get behind that , then your part of the problem. It doesn't matter if you stared at a dock, or a screen all day. The fish are still in a Live Well going to a weigh in. You just sound mad someone else is making the money.
I see both sides of the story...But if my living depended on putting money in the bank,im pretty sure I wouldn't want to be put in a no win situation before I even unloaded my boat.The pro circuts will never ban the tech because of the money.The genie is already out of the bottle.Also probably 95% of the pros are using it and their are still a majority don't finish in the money.I don't have a dog in the fight so I may be way off.But if I race my boat in a class that has capped horsepower and I win,does the looser bash me because I have a much more expensive custom prop? The same prop is available to them if they want to fork out the cash.Just my opinion!
There needs to be an organized petition against FFS by anglers who fish the BFLs like myself and everyone else who knows its cheating. Randy start one, hold events, try and organize legitimate tournaments and get these tournament directors feet to the fire directly
@5150Fishing evaluation over. People don't like watching it, people don't like fishing against it, if it must exist allow it in practice to help the gamers locate fish and remove it on tournament day.
@5150Fishing it's not just people on the channel bub. I pay good money to fish BFLs just like a lot of guys. Never mind that, survey after survey shows by a nearly 75% margin people don't like watching it. Ask the co anglers how they like getting back boated by it. Toxic for the sport, toxic for the fisheries, and makes a lot of mediocre fisherman feel better than they are. Never mind adding yet another financial barrier for younger fisherman who don't have rich parents.
I see a lot of comments that the young professionals anglers would not have a chance without FFS. I disagree. The youth that are showing the skills to win cannot be attributed solely to FFS. Professional fishing has become mainstream and glamorous. Just like all the other one sport kid athletes that are taking the stage in other mainstream sports. Bass fishing is not exempt. While my generation may have started fishing at a young age. We were not focused on tournament fishing. We are seeing a generation of young anglers that grew up with tournament fishing and it’s associated technology as a mainstream sport. There entire fishing life has been focused on tournament fishing and they are exhibiting skills that they have been honing since a very young age
I will respectfully disagree with your rant, excluding the fact that it has changed the game. It has changed the game just like many other "tools" in bass fishing have over the years. Power poles, lithium batteries, more efficient outboards, spot lock, down scan, side scan, line, rods, reels, Google Earth, the INTERNET, and not to mention all the new baits over the years. You compared FFS to the NFL and some 20 million dollar magic shoes......lets compare it to real life business, how many business (large and small) have went under or became gold mines by adapting to, or not adapting to what the customers want. Look at tech companies, if they don't provide competitive and new industry leading offerings....there done. Out West we have two of the top fisheries in the Nation (California Delta, and Clear Lake), while I am sure some folks are utilizing FFS on these waters, the guys that continue to dominate are not. Bass fishing is just like a majority of other sports out there.....the younger guys come in and push the limits forcing everyone else to adapt and get better. We live in an era where there are college scholarships for E gaming, yeah for playing freaking video games.....with that how can you not expect tech advances not to play a part in the future of the sports? I am one of the "old guys" in our bass club, I fish against younger, more tech savvy individuals every event. I am ok with it, I still have fun, and I feel I am still competitive. I recently purchased FFS to use as a tool to learn more about how fish react to certain situations. I have not used it to much to date, but I can tell you that when I have, the fish are typically right where I would expect them to be....so I can't argue it cuts the learning curve us old timers had to learn by spending a lot of time on the water. I know there are many folks against FFS, and you have become their voice. I commend you for that, it's not something easy to do when there's a lot of people who make the comments they do. I still watch your videos, and really enjoy the videos when you are fishing, or talking tackle, and tips. You have been one of the guys I have followed over the years, dating back to when Bassmaster magazine was the gold standard. Keep up your fight, but PLEASE continue the fishing, and tackle content that attracted many of us to your channel prior to FFS bursting on to the scene.....and don't forget, "If you can't beat them, join them" lets see an old timer beat these kids at their own game.
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As always, I agree with you.
Unfortunately, it's Not going away. The only common ground would be it's only allowed in practice.
I used to watch MLF to see the most skilled Anglers in the world compete. Now it's a bunch of rich kids playing connect the dots.
So sad.....😢
Bass tournaments/fishing tournaments are not a legitimate sport anymore. It's hard to stomach.
Amen!! They actually never have been and for those of us who are paying attention we know what the real threat to destroying bass fisheries is and it ain't some new tech like FFS
To me that takes all the mystery and fun out of it. Fishing needs surprises.
I agree. The more tournaments I watch, the more I think this is not "just another tool." That's just the lazy/stock argument you hear from people who don't actually want to think about this tech. The same people can't answer the question, "How far is too far?"
Also don't we get tired watching them catch bass on freaking swimbaits that are just big crappie jigs geez it's so bland and there's no pizzazz there's no fun the fun of bass fishing is being able to mix up lures and kill him one day It's one certain lure the next day and I get shit on that same lure
Agreed. Good job
We are starting our weekly tournaments in just a few weeks and we left it to the anglers whether or not to allow it. Guys 85 percent are wanting us to not allow it myself included, the rest want it . We are NOT allowing it at any of our tournaments this year . Hope there are more to follow in this process with us! Good luck out there guys n gals and rip them lips like our granddads and dads have for years!!
We have about 16 in our club and 3 have the FFS but it seems they haven’t figured it out yet. I have finished in the top 2 or 3 over the past at least 4 years. I tell them all the time that it’s not that I am a good fisherman it’s just that you guys suck. But when they do figure it out it may be a different story.
I am not a fan of it in tournaments but practice is a different ballgame.
Unless you have an official in the boat, how do you know it’s not being used?
@@rollievancleave7753 they are to unhook it prior to takeoff. They are 5 boats that patrol and watch the anglers during the tournament anyone caught using it will forfeit their entries and be unable to enter any tournaments thereafter, plus we trust our anglers to abide by the rules and at the first yearly meeting it was voted on to not use it. We have a group of 30 boats totaling 60+ anglers, not only on our lake but this weekly tournament is three days a week three different lakes.
People will say anything to justify it because they know it makes Bass Fishing easier for them period. The days of having to have an array of skills that took years to learn in order to consistently catch fish are over with because of FFS. All you have to know is how to wonder around aimlessly with your trolling motor staring at a screen and develop enough skills to efficiently throw at marks on your screen. That's it that is literally all that is required, and after about 3 trips practicing how to get better at landing casts to your marks, anyone can do it and compete. There is no other skill required, and that is fact. I know young anglers that just started fishing that have it and consistently beat anglers that have worked their entire lives to become great anglers. Just like with the upcoming Bassmaster Classic that IS 100% gonna be won on FFS any of these young anglers I just me mentioned could win that tournament if they were able to fish it. People will say "You still gotta find em" and that is absolutely ridiculous anyone knows that winter and early spring bass eating balls of shad are completely random. Any angler with this technology can start wondering around creek and river channels and find any winning school In any tournament. FFS is literally ruining the sport we all love in real time right before our eyes.
Couldn’t have said it any better. Agree 100%. So many people love the easy way out and prefer taking short cuts. Those same people say dumb shit like “it doesn’t catch the fish for you” and justify FFS with zero logic. When you put your bait in front of bass all day, of course your chances of getting bit are going to skyrocket. And it no longer matters why the fish are there. They’re just there so let’s catch them. It’s no longer fishing. It’s simply catching. There is no puzzle, no mystery to be solved each day on the water. That’s the part I’ve always loved most. Really sad that this is the direction of a sport I’ve always loved.
@Benwtradarchery I do have it and still despise it. I use it in order to compete regionally, and that is another reason I hate what it has done to bass fishing. I see by your name that you're more than likely into archery.. it's no different than shooting 3D competitions. If there was a device that allowed new archers to consistently beat seasoned veterans when used the industry would be in a similar situation. You could not compete shooting traditional equipment. I love tournament fishing, so I have it in order to be relevant. However I see what it has done for the sport and it has allowed anglers just getting g started to beat anglers that have paid their dues their entire lives in order to get to that level.
@@danielw2120 this is precisely why I don't blame any of the tournament anglers themselves for using FFS in order to compete. It's the big tournament organizations like BASS that need to keep the technology advancement under control in the sport so that it doesn't morph into something different entirely. Young kids adept at using the technology should not be able to just come right up and start excelling right away. It devalues the process. So many people today just want instant gratification and for everything to be made easy, even if that means not developing our own skills and abilities in the process.
It’s not going anywhere cracks me up people still talk about it it is what it is if you don’t like it don’t use it stop complaining and I don’t even own it yet
@GregDelR33 I couldn't agree more! I hope something is done and done soon to control it before it's too late. It doesn't look good there is so much money behind it at this point.. The tournament organizations don't want anglers complaining or voicing their true opinions either. They'll normalize it and push the usually talking points, "Its just another tool" or "Its not that easy you still have to locate the fish" That is the scary part people that used to voice concerns about it seem to be complacent with its effects. .
I agree with you Randy. I am old school when it comes to bass fishing and tournaments bass fishing. I was taught how to read a topo map and the lakes by looking at the banks and feeder creeks, and forage. I also understand bass and their season movements, and I love the hunting part of bass fishing. I do not have the money to spend on any of that forward facing technology. I am an older man of 70, I know a young man who is 21. I have tried to take him under my wing and teach him the natural way to hunt bass. He never had the patience to learn this way, and says it take too long. He has fished in local club and state tournaments, but he has never done well in the small money tournaments, that he competes in. Two years back he come into a large sum of money. He spent a lot of money on the forward facing teach. He now is winning money and some small local tournaments. He told me once you learn this live scope it so easy to catch bass. Every now and then we go bass fishing together, and when we fish from my boat that does not have live scope. He never catches many fish. I out fish him almost 10 to 1. I think this is very sad that many young fishermen today will not take the time to learn how to hunt bass without any high-tech equipment on their boats.
I agree with every word sir. It's like everything else in this world ... we take the thinking out and make it easy.
At first, I bought into it’s just another tool. However, it is not just another tool in my opinion the livescope wins have completely got out of hand with 90% of tournaments being one on livescope. My biggest gripe about livescope is the fact that it’s being used in high school tournaments where half the field does not have access due to one reason or another. It has most certainly gotten out of hand.
I completely agree. I hear that comment a lot too. “It’s just another tool and it’s here to stay.” My favorite saying is “everyone wants to talk about how many fish are caught off FFS but they don’t say how many don’t bite!!!!!” Seriously. If they didn’t bite so easy, nobody would buy it. In some tournaments the A rig isn’t allowed to be used cause they say it’s too easy to catch off the A rig. A rig compared to FFS. Seriously. Get a grip people.
It's not a matter of biting easy, it's spotlighting, if you drop a lure 100x more in a fish's face ofcourse you'll catch more throughout the day. It takes all skills and effort out of the sport.
Now for the average angler who doesn't have years to dedicate, I understand using FFS to help a little. But common, go play videos games if you're gonna stare at a screen for 8 hours while outside lol... Right?
This is the video that has resonated with me the most. Why? Because Randy said the word 'sanctuary' This is a term I believe Buck Perry first coined with regard to where fish spend most of their time. Especially in unstable weather. The sanctuary is now exposed and vulnerable in such a sudden and drastic manner.
I want to perhaps suggest 'off shore' or 'open water' be referred to as sanctuary depths or structures. That what a majority of the fish are related to, a physical structure.
Haha, I am one of those old school guys trolling, with my tiller outboard, using spoonplugs in the depths most fishermen don't know how to reach.
Now one can plop down a few grand and shortcut all the work that would typically be required to learn the what/when/where of structure fishing.
I stand behind the movement to protect FFS from harming our fish population.
You are exactly right but my question is is why hasn't anyone come up even with local tournaments where it is not allowed.... just wondering.... I think it would be a huge turnout for these true NO TECHNOLOGY tournaments
I know it's not for me, tried it.I'm old school. I am not fishing as many tournaments this year because of ffs. I don't watch fishing on tv because of it, boring. I will fish a couple in the spring with the fish being shallow, usually have a good bite figured out. Thanks Randy for your videos. Spot on
They will never ban the technological advancements in the sport of fishing. BASS will continue to create content that people can watch. There are millions who will continue to watch no matter what. Cant go backwards.
Great video, thanks Randy!
Why do you even enter tournaments that you feel are not evenly matched or live scope is allowed? I'm not for live scope in tournaments, but I definitely wouldn't enter one if i disagree with the rules no matter what the rules are. Love your videos, very informative.
Randy, the bigger problem, which is what makes live scoping win so many tournaments, is TOO MANY BIG TOURNAMENTS RELOCATING LARGE NUMBERS OF LARGE BASS to areas that they are unfamiliar with. Take Table Rock as an example. All the big 100 to 200 boat tournaments weigh in at either State Park or Kimberling City. Your odds of winning while also burning a bunch of gas running 30 miles up a river is slim and none because the majority of the bigger bass are hanging out within 5 miles of those two weigh in sites. And those bigger bass often school up and are suspending off shore somewhere where only live scoping will find them. TRUTH.
Money money money….it’s always money…..it’s a rich man’s world. I believe that’s the line from the Abba song. You hit the nail on the head Randy. It’s all about money and catching those double digit Bass. The only way tournament directors will learn is when the fish population crashes and a tournament gets won with less than 10 lbs.
Great analogy Randy. I won't watch bass fishing again until FFS is banned. Period.
Sort of along the same lines would be a range finder. As a highly ranked amateur golfer we have to rely on practice rounds and notes from previous rounds of golf to figure out the distance to the pin. With a range finder(which is not allowed during tournaments)you can just line up the crosshairs onto the pin and know exactly what distance you have.
But you can use rangefinders during practice. They are also allowed in U.S. amateur. Just not the slope function
We can use them in the practice rounds but not during the tournament. At least that's the rule around here.@@5150Fishing
You can use them in the U.S. Amateur and the PGA Championship
Randy, don't give up the fight, I started playing golf in the 80's, the PGA is always putting the breaks on certain technologies, Nascar is the best example of a sport pulling back on technology, the cup cars have been going over 200 mph since the 70's, Nascar is constantly slowing them down.
Randy, I agree there is a problem with FFS in tournaments. I see you passion, so what are you going to do about it? Change will not happen quickly and not without a struggle. Please get organized and fight for what you believe in. You been around a long time and know a lot of people, find support for your cause.
I totally agree. He just sounds anymore like a sorry old man preaching to his kids in his weblo scouts meeting he runs. My guess is he’s lost his circle other than friends that won’t admit they are friends with him. Very hard to watch him rant anymore .
I watched a video that Matt Stefan just recently put out, and IMO, it is, without a doubt, the very best I have seen/heard on this FFS topic.
I was happy to see the bass open on ouachita was won without it lipless crank bait and an old Norman DLN
I don't understand how livescope is cost prohibitive. You can get a livescope setup for $1000 right now. When you compare that to what a spot lock trolling motor, power poles, most 9-12" graphs, and boats cost, it isn't really that much. Not to mention how much money people have tied up in rods, reels and tackle.
I would venture to say over 50% of the folks commenting on here that also hunt have high dollar scopes and range finders?….. Are fish caught with FFS handled any differently at weigh in than fish caught traditionally? If we are loosing those fish for some reason then I understand the concern but I am not sure we are. I fish weekly jackpot tourneys and there has never been a question at our weigh ins of how the fish were caught and I would say I have yet to see many if any dead fish weighed in. I personally do no use FFS and have not cashed a check in over a year but I do not think the folks using FFS are any less advocates for the health of our fish just because they upgraded their equipment and or have the sponsorship to do so are they? I live in Texas and there is BIG monies spent on deer, hog and bird hunting annually and like I said most of these folks have high dollar equipment to help them out. This certainly has become an interesting topic.
Randy - just try live scope for a week - see how much you can whack em - it’s harder than it looks
It's not hard for people with at least average intelligence
Sidenote, a better analogy for football would be if they made a ball that would constantly spiral the ball would position itself to be thrown perfectly every time thus, taking away, a majority of the skill needed to throw the ball properly. These are things that we are certainly capable of, but don’t allow for obvious reasons.
Agreed, it's not "just another tool". I hate that phrase. The Alabama rig comparison is also ridiculous. Sure fish got conditioned to the Alabama rig. It was only banned at the top level. It's still been used for the past 10yrs or so. The Alabama rig is very limited on how it can evolve. More wires, blades, heavy fluoro instead of wire, that's about it. So yeah fish can evolve to that and the rig becomes less effective. The sonar is a computer. Look how fast computers have evolved in the past 10yrs. Sure the fish may get conditioned to the current version of FFS but the computer will evolve faster to combat that evolution.
Immediate self gratification is a very strong human emotion, that many just can't control.
Randy, I agree 100% with you on this subject!!!👍👊The sport of fishing is going out the window. 😣 Like you said Sponsorships is the name of the game today!!! Let's get back to the good ole way and stop hurting our sport!! Stay Safe & God Bless!!
Tournament fishing is pretty much done ! And our lakes are destroyed as well ! All of the lake that were great fishing holes are done. A 10lb bag is a big sack now and a 15 lb bag is a dream. I recently started back fishing in the last year from a 10 year break due to work. I was shocked to see the shape of our lakes and the lack of 3 to 7 pound fish ! Ive caught alot of big bags of fish in my life ! And they are gone ! Ive been told excuses like we had a bass virus, to stories of people keeping 100 bass a day due to the wardens being spread to thin. I went by our big fish hatchery the other day and it didn't even look like it was working anymore ! ARE THEY RESTOCKING OUR LAKES ? IF NOT WHY ? THESE ARE THE QUESTIONS WE ALL NEED TO BE ASKING ! In five years our lakes will be past the point of no return ! They are dying ! We need bait programs, and we need fish stocking programs ! And not putting Blue Catfish in the lakes to eat the damn shad up and the bass fry after they spawn.
Took 28 lbs to win on pickwick this weekend, several bags over 20 and even more over 19……. No lake in America gets more pressure and it has been that way for 40+ yrs
You're right - completely! Greetings from Germany.
I watched about 2 1/2 minutes of Bass live on Saturday. Ronny Moore mentioned FFS at least 3 times. I tuned out…
Over time, technology always becomes affordable to the masses. When we reach that price point with FFS, our fisheries will be devastated.
A better analogy Randy...what if MLB allowed aluminum bats !!!
Why are there "rules" against corked bats ?? And PED's ??? BECAUSE...it creates an ADVANTAGE for lesser skilled competitors to EXCEL !!!! YEP. I said it....bring on the haters.. I fish for the enjoyment...not to be rich and famous !!!!🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬
If you ever gone to the boat ramp launch your boat getting ready for a wonderful day and realized you're in the middle of a cockeyed fishing tournament believe me it's not good
Exactly! The only thing that should be banned is tournaments. My home waters does not allow tournaments, is 100% catch and release and has a $250 fine for putting a bass in a livewell, even for 1 minute. Also, literally EVERY boat has FFS. The result? Not only is this body of water rated by BASS as the #1 lake in the country but over 80 bass over 8 lbs were caught last year alone and those only the ones reported to the lunker program. These objective facts kinda put big hole in Randy's argument that FFS is filling the sport - pretty obvious from this data it's tournaments which are the real killers ...
Only 80 over 8 ?
@@winstonrocco1981 and 11 over 10 and 2 over 12 ...
Do the boat pattern. Works on lake St. Clair all the time.
They could make it illegal to be on the bow and only allow it to be on the steering wheel for scouting only. And not allow it to pivot only look forward so you can only scout with it at the captain chair
From Russ Lane "The last 2 days of practice at Ouachita I felt I was getting dialed in at the right time. Committed to Livescoping all week, I could see most of the fish would spook off to the bottom when I threw a jighead minnow at them earlier in the week. The little slow falling @big_bite_baits Skinny Stick was getting way more aggressive bites. They would come flying up from 15-20' to get it. For some reason though, of which I have no clue, that all changed in the areas I was in. Everything including the tiny worm seemed to spook them except for a jerkbait. Although they would follow and get right on it most of them wouldn't touch it. The ones I did catch were all on the back hook! As frustrating as another rough finish was I wouldn't change my approach or much of anything. Obviously I knew Ouachita would be dominated with scoping pelagic fish but there could be a window open for someone to win cranking that sneaky secondary structure that I built my career on years ago. (Congrats to local Jeremiah Kindy on pulling that off!) The only way to develop instincts with a new technique is to commit to it. For anyone that thinks scoping is just video games and no instincts are needed I believe you would be wrong. The same guys are making the right adjustments everyday because they have put in the work. I may be a slow learner but I will catch up".
They don’t mind being wrong
What I don’t understand these tournaments will allow all this tech, but ban fishing nets which actually is a safety concern with getting hooked. I guess there’s no net sponsorship!
Putting 200 boats on a lake at one time does more enviormental damage then any sonar system.
When they all have it then it's not unfair!
Here is my hope. FFS is a technique that employs a limited arsenal of baits. Damiki rigs, jerkbaits, swimbaits, etc. Traditional bait companies such as Strike King, Berkeley, etc. are gonna get hammered. They will rise up. I hope.
Obviously you have to know how to use it correctly because I have FF and it has only payed off for me once. I have only used it 6-7 times but so far it seems to hinder me more than benefit. I guess I’ll get better with it but last time I went to a deep clear highland reservoir. I was throwing a small demiki style bait and had 1 bite. I guess I simply suck at using it but for sure you don’t automatically catch fish.
It is another tool..the only thing it does is allow you to go after fish we never could.. on most days most fish are suspended over deeper water..Anglers are now able to target those fish.. and stop saying you just drive around until you see one.. you still have to know where to look.. and the most important tool on your boat to find bass is side imaging.
I disagree here I just saw a video with Edwin Evers and he has two ffs up front and he said all he has to do is drive in the middle of a cove and he can cover bank to bank.
Rick Clunn says it is a great learning tool and loves it, and you could never even carry that man's jock strap!!!
I say, again Randy.... Initiate tournament categories so that technology isn't banned but corralled. Let fishermen/women pick which categories they'll compete in. From cane pole to dynamite. From row boat to air boat. From live bait to spider rigging crankbaits. From depth plumb, a map and compass to gps/livescope. And so on and so forth.
For those who do not agree with Livescope it's your opinion. Is it any different than years back when technology went from a flasher unit to the paper graphs to now side imaging and down imaging to 360? They ALL are another tool to see contours, deprh and bottom structure. Not sure why that is any different from Livescope. It's not any different than the progression of artificial baits. If you don't agree with Livescope, then all the electronic equipment and daily upgrades in baits should be banned. And even with Livescope it DOES NOT make the bass bite...it is just a tool to locate...
That surprise big bass is what we love.
Wouldn't hurt my feelings if tournament fishing and livescope went away. You cant even go to the river now without some kind of tournament goin on. I started fishing for big catfish and now they have tournaments all the time. Everything goes to crap as soon as money gets involved.
Randy, I see you got a box of Alabama Rigs behind you.
I’ve been commenting on a lot of these ffs videos that we always knew those fish were out there and trolling was the only efficient way to target them before ffs. I’ve been able to remain competitive on my local level without it largely because of having a lot of Tidal water events. Spotlighting is not fishing, keep fighting the good fight!
Another sport that has been negatively affected by technology is golf. Improvement in golf clubs and balls has significantly increased driving distances. How was this handled? They had to add hundreds of yards to golf courses. Look at the Masters, they had to redo the golf course rather than putting limitations on balls and clubs. A lake cannot be altered. Keep up the good fight Randy.
Fishing tournaments, on lakes specifically are an absolute joke anymore.
I'm fishing ponds, creeks and rivers more than ever now and will never go back.
Keep FFS & all the drama on the lakes, leave the remainder alone for those whom enjoy the process.
I wonder if pros like Wheeler, DC and Milliken really believe they’ll continue to dominate, because they won’t. FFS opens the door for thousands of anglers that will be able to achieve the same results as those guys in a very short period of time.
There is always someone better. Watch
You are delusional if you think anyone can just go buy a livescope then dominate in tournaments over people who have years of experience.
@@Lray4x4 since there’s evidently no learning curve, i would let this dude take my boat, on Jordan Lake (one of the best lakes in the country) with me as a co-angler, and if he could catch a “winning” limit in 8hrs I’ll give him $500…. Nah I’ll do $500 if he catches a limit period, solely using livescope…. Guys are definitely gonna come up and beat those boys. But if it was they easy, @ganntrey480 should be able to qualify for the elites next year right, no problem. Right?
Tool as in like spotlighting deer...............correct👍
Why would you have to spotlight a deer 🦌 you can see them visibly
My answer to your question. Excellent point, but bad example. Unlike those magic shoes that only a few pros can afford, just about all the pros are able to access FFS. The tech companies will incorporate planned obselecence, so that with every new generation of the products it will become even easier to find, identify and catch big bass in any area of the lake under any conditions. And while the tech companies get richer the pros will lose their need to understand bass behavior and their need to understand diverse fishing applications. You are correct, it is not "one more tool for the tool box." It is "abandon the old tool box and invest in a single application that allows me to compete with others who are using the same application." Maybe a better example - Major League Baseball allowing all players to use an extremely high tech composite bat that easily allows players to turn routine pop ups into 800 foot home runs. That practice would not be allowed BY MLB, and they have the authority to maintain an environment that allows partipants to compete based on a broad based set of skills. Many tournament anglers included offshore fishing prior to FFS. For some, it was a primary strength. But their ability to fairly compete on the tourney trail at a high level still required a broader skill set. When a product is introduced to the market that has a negative overall impact, and there will be others, the governing body needs to have the authority to set parameters.
Then analogy I have is it's like an NFL defense having technology that allows them to listen in on the other team's huddle.
To say the least it's Sad.
Its the evolution of fish finders, the traditional 2 d , then high resolution down scan, then the side scan and 360 view, all are helpful for finding fish, ffs finds them and gets you real time location, now you cast to a target instead oh hoping something is down there, fishing guides like it when customer gets more bites so i am sure most guides will want to be using it
He will ,never complain about the other fish finding methods .
Traditional sonar is not spotlighting so it's OK for him to use it,the side scan and down scan might be OK too cuz he's not complaining on a regular schedule like live scope about those 2 kinds of sonars
@@GS-zv3qn who the hell is this guy to bitch anyway? Randy thinks he’s the end all be all . Ffs isn’t going anywhere .
It's true. A lot of these bigger fish suspend over main lake basins and points, just floating out there waiting to be easily picked off by livescope. All those fish used to be the "lost bass" or "ghost bass" before livescope. Nobody knew where they went, now they know.
I do not fish for a living so I will not buy FFS. But I always remember as a child fishing and not knowing how big or what kind of fish I would catch. I think that’s what’s being taken away with FFS. I would rather be in suspense about what I could catch !!
PMTT does not allow FFS in tournaments. FFS will be the death of fishing. I think individual lakes or individual states should ban FFS. If caught with it, it will be confiscated and destroyed.
You're beating a dead horse Randy. Everyone in this country under the age of 40 grew up with a computer and a cell phone. That's all they know or care about. Knowledge is everything to them regardless how they obtain it. Why should they want to spend years learning how to locate and catch fish by actually fishing for them when they can just turn on a computer and have it point the way to the fish? The only way this sonar technology will stop is if BASS outlaws them like they did the A Rig.
Something u have to have to compete in a pro event is not a tool! These guys r just trying to justify it to themselves!
The technology (like it or not) will continue to improve/expand....next up will be glasses fisherman will wear that project the images onto the lens of their sunglasses (no more need for large screens)....I won't/don't use it as I am a recreational fisherman and enjoy the challenge of fishing without all the latest technology....some of the best/most satisfying/fun days I have had fishing were the days I fished for hours and only caught a few fish, sometimes just one fish on my "last cast"....much more about being on the water/fresh air/sun/peacefullness for me....keep fighting the good fight
I got to say I'm just like you and the way I feel about it is we've already won the race it's just sad that other people don't have the insight and ability to appreciate what we do but Randy is starting to open some eyes I hope even though he is a cockeyed tournament fisherman he has the moral content that really makes a good person I respect and appreciate him
Randy, as you know I was at the BFL weigh-in (we chatted a couple of times and got a selfie together). The thing that struck me with the kid who won was he was so young. A LOT of those anglers weighing in 14+lb bags were. Like, hardly able to shave young.
You can’t tell me these guys without their electronics would have a snowballs chance in hell competing well enough to cut a check….or even limit out on a day like yesterday.
I agree that pulling 20lbs+ under those conditions has to be directly attributed to FFS. However, the youth that are showing the skills to win cannot be attributed solely to FFS.
Professional fishing has become mainstream and glamorous. Just like all the other one sport kid athletes that are taking the stage in other mainstream sports. Bass fishing is not exempt. While my generation may have started fishing at a young age. We were not focused on tournament fishing. We are seeing a generation of young anglers that grew up with tournament fishing as a mainstream sport. There entire fishing life has been focused on tournament fishing and they are exhibiting skills that they have been honing since a very young age
@@5150Fishing it’s not solely to FFS. There is more information immediately available now than there ever has. So there is that. But I still stand by that if you removed it, you’d see experience that only comes with years on the water come back into the lead.
But there years on the water has included the advancement of technology as they have grown. Would it be fair to strip them of that technology.
@@5150Fishing what is they say to the “old guys”? Either learn it or be left behind”?
So the same can be said in the reverse.
I have to say, I was all for FFS when it first came out. I have been a tournament fan and spectator since the early 90’s and I almost can’t even stand watching tournaments anymore.
It’s mind numbingly boring now that shows little casting or lake break down skill or pattern defining. Watching a guy watch a screen with a line in the water is not fun or entertaining or exciting. I am about to give up my cabin on grand next month for the classic. Don’t really want to waste my time and money watching dudes watch tv
@@rosschappell7014 I agree that watching tournaments sucks.
In re: to the kids and young anglers coming up. I think that a good number of them, not all but a significant number, would be able to excel in tournaments WITHOUT FFS. If it’s banned, and I hope it is, we’ll see a strong field of young and hungry anglers atop the leaderboards
When they say "it's just another tool"... it's a tool that is saying it and standing behind that phrase😂😂😂
U are right but u are reminding me of the Fox News anchors Randy. Your are preaching to the choir. I don’t think all your blackballing of yourself Randy is worth it. This is the choir. Might make u feel good seeing people say “right on” but u are not influencing any change. If u know so many people go do something about it.
I just quit fishing tournaments. Yes I can afford to have it but it’s just not fun. As for tournaments I just quit donating my money
The more you talk about how bad livescope is , the more I want to try it.
So, are you a crackhead too?
Randy is the reason I bought mine
@@jefferyjohnson6344thx for confirming u are an unskilled angler who rarely ever caught anything & decided cheating will finally get your rod bent 👍
@@BenC-77u get satisfaction in cheating to catch fish? 🤔
Go for it. Plenty of unskilled anglers like yourself are buying it...if u need to cheat to catch fish, do it
States DNR or fisheries need to step up to help stop this technology from ruining our resources. No different than letting hunters use drones with cameras, infrared or heat seeking devises to find what they are hunting. Unethical and make hunting easy.
I took a kid fishing on February 16th 2023 and the first thing he asked me was what kind of fish finder l had on my boat !!!!!!!!!
I sort of agree with the analogy, but livescope can be purchased by most everyone that wants it. Here is where FFS rules will be put in place, it’s going to be when anyone with just a little knowledge can win a tourney. I really hope pros like Wheeler and DC don’t think they’ll continue to dominate because they won’t. The technology is still new and the learning curve is steep, but it won’t be for long….
Totally agree said this a while back . There won’t be many dominate anglers it will wind up with many different people winning in no particular order once they get good at it. Just depends on who finds the big bass schools of the day.
Randy, I have agreed with you before on this issue. After listening to this video and took a pause and just thought about it I have the answer. MONEY. Thats it. Period.
I've always enjoyed fishing because it's an intersection of nature, science, art and Livescoping is disrespectful to all three. The fun, for me, is putting together a plan based on time of year, time of day, weather patterns, light conditions, type of fish etc. Just watching a screen ignores all of this and cheapens the sport. Actually there is NO sport in livescoping!!!! I'm confident when I say that if this is not banned, the SPORT of fishing AND the fisheries themselves are done!!!
Bass fishing is no longer a sport and bass anglers are no longer athletes. Tournament fishing is an advertising gimmick and the anglers are being used as the "tools" as costs to fish tournaments are higher than ever and payouts are lower than ever, but the tech companies are making piles of money on the backs of the anglers (pawns).
And it seems that the pro anglers don’t even realize it
Amazing ain’t it?
Facts
I don’t understand why people think that Randy is trying to ban live scope. Nobody is trying to tell a recreational angler what kind of technology he’s allowed to use in his free time fun fishing this is an argument centered entirely around competitive fishing. I don’t understand why it’s so hard to understand that we are at a point now we’re no one single organization is going to have all the top anglers so we might as well have separate trails with different technology regulations. It’s really not that big a deal.
He wants it banned for everyone. He’s made that clear in previous videos
The fish will (already hearing they are) learn to sense the ffs and shy away. Just like if you graph over your brush too much they spook. We’re in the frenzy stages right now. I still think it needs removed from tournaments.
Because of the all mighty $ I don't see them banning it. The electronic companies invest to much $ into the organizations to allow that to happen. Eventually the tournament organizations might put limitations on it, at most in my opinion. If one of the organizations did not allow FFS during tournaments it would end up dominanting with viewership & fan support for sure!
Livescope is diminishing the word professional!! Being a professional used to mean that your abilities to find fish were just as important to your ability to catch fish. Not anymore!!!! Pros aren't pros when they need a crutch to help them be competitive
Truth spoken
100% correct. If it didn't make catching fish so easy it's cheating, then so many people wouldn't use it, and so many people wouldn't get SO defensive when someone criticizes its use.
Clearly you couldn’t catch them off 2 D which is the same thing. Or side scan which makes locating fish easier it’s the same thing. I’ve seen more people burned on FFs then do well.
@@areddfishing7473 lol I don't need sonar at all
@@areddfishing7473 I don't use ANY sonar 99% of the time.
You could say the same thing for almost all electronic tech. Are you against it all?
@@christopher9076 Yes...when it comes to fishing or hunting, and removes the principle of fair chase.
Nice strawman attempt though 😉
I think we need to come out with a lure that has a miniature camera and a remote transducer that will link with our 3D sonar and display on our heads up display on your RB 10 series 5K sunglasses and not let anybody else know we are using them and enter local Kayak tournaments and whack the shit 💩 out of them and win every tournament and watch them send in the feds to investigate us worse than the walleye cheaters or the Kansas crappie record cheater lately.
This year my goal is a 10 + pound bass with using nothing more than a Garmin Striker 4 CV on a Perception Pescador Pilot 12.0 powered by my own 2 legs without a trolling motor.
Hopefully they don’t outlaw homemade lures due to high paid lure company lobbyists in Washington passing laws that only allow the use of lures labeled as FFS certified🤔🤔🙄🙄🙄
Live scope is NOT just another tool it's changing the name of the sport! It's no longer "Fishing" the name should be changed to "Catching" The fact Milliken qualified in one tournament is a perfect example!
Some of us could give a shit about tradition!
NFL players would have access to these “hi tech” shoes. So if Mahomes tried to jump over the line, the defense would jump the same height. FFS is available to every single angler out there. You aren’t comparing apples to apples.
Again time to separate the two styles high tech and traditional and see what audiences watch more or maybe both double the experience and target lakes that are over fished with a more traditional style.
Every Pro Fisherman can afford a Live Scope. The problem is that Pro Tournament Fishing is no longer a Sport. It is Commercialism. It is all about selling their products. So they need to decide if they want it a Sport or if they want it solely to sell their products. Live Scope won’t be removed, as long as they keep Pro Fishing a Marketing Ploy, and not a Sport.
Sorry but it is - just like electronic mapping, GPS, SS, down scan, 2D sonar, power poles, 4 stroke engines, etc, etc, etc. they all enable fisherman to be better at bass fishing in one way or another. You can't just cherry pick the tech you don't like. Hell, the real tech killing bass is the live well which gives the illusion that we are not hurting them and therefore it's ok to haul them all over the lake for 8 hrs ...
Actually none of what you listed is like "LIVE" sonar. Mainly because none of the things you listed allow the angler to see a LIVE image of a fish and it's natural movements in real time. Definitely not the same lol
@@kylerichardt3551 advancements in tech are all advancements in capability. While different tech advances different aspects of fishing it still all has the same effect. Power poles help you be better at catching fish just like gps mapping helps and side scan helps and 2D sonar helps, etc. FFS is just the latest tech. When it was revealed that KVD had been exploiting side scan tech before most had ever heard of it there was the exact same 'backlash' you're hearing from some of how it was going " to destroy bass fishing ..." go back and read some of the stuff from back then, it sounds EXACTLY like what you hear today. Last I checked side scan has not destroyed bass fishing. The problem is people have either selective memories or were not involved long ago to remember. Nice thing about being old is you have an understanding of actual history - not just the current social media narrative. If you want to have some fun, go look up in the history what society was saying about what the invention of the telephone was going to do to society ... technological advancement is how America became the greatest nation on earth and I for one would never want us to stop innovating ... don't like the tech? You're free to ignore it but you then don't get to complain that others have an advantage just because you choose not to use it ...
@@kylerichardt3551 you're missing my point ... ALL tech is designed to help angers catch more bass but they each contribute to the equation in a different way. Electronic mapping & GPS was absolute game changer in helping anglers catching bass because it allows anglers to pinpoint underwater structure within feet of accuracy but nobody is saying that the 'sky is falling down'. ... they were when it first came out but now it's just end accepted as 'no big deal'. The same will happen with FFS. If you want to have some fun go read the history of the invention of the telephone (not cell phone) and read what the social warriors of the day were saying about the demise of society because of this new tech. You could literally take what some of their quotes were, substitute "FFS" for "telephone" and it would look like a 'Randy rant" video ... that's worth a lol ...
I agree Randy , get rid of that space age crap, its recking fishing and throwing away skills, wisdoms and knowledge of time on water and years of experience from working hard and discipline dedication, technology obviously killing many hunting, and fishing hard worked earned training that everyone seems to be throwing away for simplicity, its a thousand times more rewarding for the hard work , and discipline factor, like my beloved traditional archery, and i could go on forever of why the hard work and discipline of this art, theres nothing better 👊
Not everyone is getting first downs, Randy. How many in the field using ffs weren't close to winning? Did you beat anyone with ffs?
To many boats on the water ! And to much electronlcs the joy 0f just going fishing is gone
Live weigh in kills fish. Thats a fact. Many studies have proven so, google around. Per usangler Pennsylvania fish and boat commission mortality rates:
Caught and released immediately 1.3%
Held in a live well and culled 14.9%
Brought to weigh in 39.1%
You and a whole generation of tournament angles have hauled fish to a ramp, so you can hold up a half dead bass, smile and say megabass. I'm not surprised the number of fish on visible or shallow structures are low. Those fish are dead. During the prefish you said the water needed be warmer for the pattern you planned on. Coming back and saying you got beat by as fish finder is a little silly. The number of tournaments held on a body of water needs regulation. Live weigh in needs to stop. Bedding fish caught and not released immediately needs to stop. Bass fishing is a business not a sport. Guys are going to Fish the money. Those fish are offshore where the bank pounders have not caught out. If you can't get behind that , then your part of the problem. It doesn't matter if you stared at a dock, or a screen all day. The fish are still in a Live Well going to a weigh in. You just sound mad someone else is making the money.
I see both sides of the story...But if my living depended on putting money in the bank,im pretty sure I wouldn't want to be put in a no win situation before I even unloaded my boat.The pro circuts will never ban the tech because of the money.The genie is already out of the bottle.Also probably 95% of the pros are using it and their are still a majority don't finish in the money.I don't have a dog in the fight so I may be way off.But if I race my boat in a class that has capped horsepower and I win,does the looser bash me because I have a much more expensive custom prop? The same prop is available to them if they want to fork out the cash.Just my opinion!
Flubber shoes 👟 👟
There needs to be an organized petition against FFS by anglers who fish the BFLs like myself and everyone else who knows its cheating. Randy start one, hold events, try and organize legitimate tournaments and get these tournament directors feet to the fire directly
Bassmaster is evaluating the use of it in tournaments
@5150Fishing evaluation over. People don't like watching it, people don't like fishing against it, if it must exist allow it in practice to help the gamers locate fish and remove it on tournament day.
@@jeffscherer2136 the evaluations are over?? They just started in December. You mean they’re over because people on Randy’s channel don’t like it. 🤣🤣
@5150Fishing it's not just people on the channel bub. I pay good money to fish BFLs just like a lot of guys. Never mind that, survey after survey shows by a nearly 75% margin people don't like watching it. Ask the co anglers how they like getting back boated by it. Toxic for the sport, toxic for the fisheries, and makes a lot of mediocre fisherman feel better than they are. Never mind adding yet another financial barrier for younger fisherman who don't have rich parents.
@@jeffscherer2136 hopefully Bassmaster explores and evaluates that. I hope they don’t just cave to corporate sponsorship
I see a lot of comments that the young professionals anglers would not have a chance without FFS. I disagree. The youth that are showing the skills to win cannot be attributed solely to FFS.
Professional fishing has become mainstream and glamorous. Just like all the other one sport kid athletes that are taking the stage in other mainstream sports. Bass fishing is not exempt. While my generation may have started fishing at a young age. We were not focused on tournament fishing. We are seeing a generation of young anglers that grew up with tournament fishing and it’s associated technology as a mainstream sport. There entire fishing life has been focused on tournament fishing and they are exhibiting skills that they have been honing since a very young age
I will respectfully disagree with your rant, excluding the fact that it has changed the game. It has changed the game just like many other "tools" in bass fishing have over the years. Power poles, lithium batteries, more efficient outboards, spot lock, down scan, side scan, line, rods, reels, Google Earth, the INTERNET, and not to mention all the new baits over the years. You compared FFS to the NFL and some 20 million dollar magic shoes......lets compare it to real life business, how many business (large and small) have went under or became gold mines by adapting to, or not adapting to what the customers want. Look at tech companies, if they don't provide competitive and new industry leading offerings....there done. Out West we have two of the top fisheries in the Nation (California Delta, and Clear Lake), while I am sure some folks are utilizing FFS on these waters, the guys that continue to dominate are not. Bass fishing is just like a majority of other sports out there.....the younger guys come in and push the limits forcing everyone else to adapt and get better. We live in an era where there are college scholarships for E gaming, yeah for playing freaking video games.....with that how can you not expect tech advances not to play a part in the future of the sports? I am one of the "old guys" in our bass club, I fish against younger, more tech savvy individuals every event. I am ok with it, I still have fun, and I feel I am still competitive. I recently purchased FFS to use as a tool to learn more about how fish react to certain situations. I have not used it to much to date, but I can tell you that when I have, the fish are typically right where I would expect them to be....so I can't argue it cuts the learning curve us old timers had to learn by spending a lot of time on the water. I know there are many folks against FFS, and you have become their voice. I commend you for that, it's not something easy to do when there's a lot of people who make the comments they do. I still watch your videos, and really enjoy the videos when you are fishing, or talking tackle, and tips. You have been one of the guys I have followed over the years, dating back to when Bassmaster magazine was the gold standard. Keep up your fight, but PLEASE continue the fishing, and tackle content that attracted many of us to your channel prior to FFS bursting on to the scene.....and don't forget, "If you can't beat them, join them" lets see an old timer beat these kids at their own game.
But everyone can have it
But not everyone can afford it