Newly Discovered PROOF: Jesus Was an Illusionist

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    In an absolutely shocking turn of events, Bart has learned of a first-century Gospel that will overturn everything scholars think they know about Jesus, showing that he was a charlatan exposed by the Roman government for duping the Jewish crowds by sophisticated works of magic. The Gospel, set to be published this week by the NY Times, details how Jesus deliberately faked his famous miracles in an effort to seek fame and fortune. How did he go from magician-for-hire to Son of God, and was the crucifixion a tragic illusion gone wrong? Join us this week on Misquoting Jesus to find out more.
    Megan asks:
    -In case you hadn’t guessed, no, Bart hasn’t had some kind of academic revelation and won’t be publishing proof that Jesus was the world’s first recorded illusionist…we’re a day late, but happy April Fool’s! We will still be talking about miracles, however. Bart, why do you think it’s important for biblical scholars to examine the reports of miraculous events in the gospels, and other early Christian writings?
    -Miracles happen a lot in the Bible even before Jesus. When we talk about miracles today, what do we actually mean?
    -What miracles do we see in the OT, before Jesus comes on the scene?
    -As a holy man, would it have been surprising for people that Jesus was reportedly performing these miracles?
    -Are there any miracles that we see as being specific to Jesus, or is his repertoire in line with what we see from the rest of the ancient world?
    -Do the canonical gospels differ among themselves in the kinds of miracles they report?
    -What miracles do we see in the non-canonical gospels?
    -Do these reports all occur in the same literary genre?
    -What purpose do miracles serve in ancient literature, do they serve a different purpose in early Christian writings?
    -Is the identity of Jesus as a miracle worker something that was imposed upon him after his death, or does it seem that this was happening while he was still alive?
    -How should we evaluate reports of miracles? Why are they so common in religious traditions?
    Are there reasons for thinking Jesus did miracles but that Apollonius of Tyana didn’t, or Simon Magus, or Muhammed?
    -Is it possible to be a Christian if you doubt that Jesus did some or all of his miracles (being born of a virgin; walking on water; raising Lazarus from the dead)?

Комментарии • 692

  • @user-yg2gw4je8d
    @user-yg2gw4je8d 3 месяца назад +134

    😅 This reminds me a gag in Red Dwarf (set in the future) where an archiologist discovers the heretofore lost first page of the Bible. It begins: "This is a work of fiction. Any similarity to persons living or dead is coincidence."

  • @lorrilewis2178
    @lorrilewis2178 3 месяца назад +55

    It's terrible that scholars don't want to write books for the general public. It holds progress back because people are denied knowledge.

    • @tawan20082008
      @tawan20082008 3 месяца назад +6

      general public can also read scholarly books , it’s just a difficult read

    • @MrDalisclock
      @MrDalisclock 3 месяца назад

      ​​@@tawan20082008pretty much. I've been reading Mark S Smiths books on Biblical Monotheism. They're really good but very dense and hard to recommend to a casual reader. They don't do much to hold your hand.

    • @lupooflunarorigin120
      @lupooflunarorigin120 3 месяца назад +8

      I doubt it is that they don't necessarily want to write books for the public. It's more that they are experts writing for experts because they want to advance knowledge

    • @KimF6269
      @KimF6269 3 месяца назад

      Hi

    • @tonedumbharry
      @tonedumbharry 3 месяца назад +2

      There's a problem with scholars writing popular books and the public reading works of scholarship. Most of the public (moi included) can't read the source materials in the original. Actually, that's probably the only real barrier to comprehension. The ideas aren't complicated, they're just in different languages.

  • @cicco5833
    @cicco5833 3 месяца назад +165

    Jesus says to Peter…pick a card…any card

    • @MrDalisclock
      @MrDalisclock 3 месяца назад +12

      Peter: What do I do with the card?
      Jesus: Keep it. I've got 51 left.

    • @ZdravNaukKJV
      @ZdravNaukKJV 3 месяца назад

      The devil In Bart D. Ehrman!
      ruclips.net/video/0j12m1HKP8A/видео.htmlsi=SEqftLIaBqz3sjqw

    • @aspektx
      @aspektx 3 месяца назад +8

      Jesus: You are a rock-head and upon your gullibility I shall build my fanbase.

    • @dsego84
      @dsego84 3 месяца назад +1

      LOL XD

    • @matheuscostapinto5807
      @matheuscostapinto5807 3 месяца назад +1

      LMAO

  • @animefurry3508
    @animefurry3508 3 месяца назад +58

    Note to self, never make a ground breaking discovery early April!😂

  • @Rhewin
    @Rhewin 3 месяца назад +85

    Bart claiming "PROOF" was more than enough to make me suspicious lol.

    • @lostfan5054
      @lostfan5054 3 месяца назад +9

      Yeah that's not a very "Bart" word.

  • @johnthekeane
    @johnthekeane 3 месяца назад +136

    Being an 'April fool ' is better than being a fool the rest of the year!😉

    • @stevebeeney9022
      @stevebeeney9022 3 месяца назад +1

      😅

    • @PhantomMagician1846
      @PhantomMagician1846 3 месяца назад +2

      I call it the holiday we celebrate those who think the moon landing was fake

    • @cooterhead_jones
      @cooterhead_jones 3 месяца назад +1

      Why? Most people, myself included, are completely comfortable in our foolishness. Proof? Cause we keep doing the same foolish things year round.

  • @jwcarlson
    @jwcarlson 3 месяца назад +47

    They found Jesus's magic wand and top hat?!?

    • @stein1919
      @stein1919 3 месяца назад +6

      And the Easter bunny inside

    • @arthurmartinson4370
      @arthurmartinson4370 3 месяца назад +1

      Or his set of Marshall Brodein's TV Magic cards? 🙂

    • @sootuckchoong7077
      @sootuckchoong7077 3 месяца назад

      When God helped Moses to make the stick into a snake, the Pharaoh's magician can do it too.

  • @Sxcheschka
    @Sxcheschka 3 месяца назад +64

    I knew it was an April Fool's joke the moment I saw PROOF in all caps. I was also like, sometimes vids like these are a day late as well. Bart's face of "I'm totally serious right now" had me giggling.

  • @mcosu1
    @mcosu1 3 месяца назад +231

    I feel so stupid. I totally fell for it.

    • @fox0277
      @fox0277 3 месяца назад +3

      I totally did too 😂

    • @hosurosh4846
      @hosurosh4846 3 месяца назад +6

      He got me the first 5 minutes

    • @josh2388
      @josh2388 3 месяца назад

      What joke? They literally went on to argue said ‘joke’.

    • @SLSketchComedyShow
      @SLSketchComedyShow 3 месяца назад +6

      It WAS A DAY LATE after all.... lol. (So did I)

    • @milowadlin
      @milowadlin 3 месяца назад +4

      I got suspicious pretty quick.

  • @brianelza9807
    @brianelza9807 3 месяца назад +19

    Didn't Pharaoh's magicians seem to duplicate the "miracles" that Moses and Aaron did?

    • @afaegfsgsdef
      @afaegfsgsdef 3 месяца назад +6

      Yes. And, if Moses used the magic of Yahweh, then who provided the magic for the Pharaoh's priests?

    • @HonkerTonic
      @HonkerTonic 3 месяца назад

      ​​@@afaegfsgsdef Voldemort 😊

    • @BlockyBookworm
      @BlockyBookworm 3 месяца назад

      @@afaegfsgsdef Exodus 12:12, 18:11, Numbers 33:4
      Go read those
      This has been around plainly for a VERY long time

    • @exaucemayunga22
      @exaucemayunga22 3 месяца назад +4

      ​@afaegfsgsdef an apologist would probably say "demons have power too, but God's power is greater"

  • @Abjiba
    @Abjiba 3 месяца назад +13

    Bart’s pretend serious face in the beginning killed me 😂😂😂

  • @Vicky_C87
    @Vicky_C87 3 месяца назад +13

    I read the title and thought 'that makes sense. It would explain how Jesus turned water in to wine.'

    • @opinion3742
      @opinion3742 2 месяца назад

      I struggle with anyone thinking the bible is literal history - whether they are a believer or not. Two sides to the same idiotic coin.

  • @Tasby12
    @Tasby12 3 месяца назад +45

    I knew from her first sentence that it was a joke. She talks of a “newly-discovered” 1st century document that Bart was going to discuss, with neither of them displaying skepticism.

    • @davidk7529
      @davidk7529 3 месяца назад +8

      The title gives it away first, because Bart just doesn’t pop up with grand claims like that 🤭

    • @SergeantSkeptic686
      @SergeantSkeptic686 3 месяца назад +5

      I mostly fell for it, but when Megan implied the crucifixion was a trick gone bad I was like Whaaaat.....

  • @raydavison4288
    @raydavison4288 3 месяца назад +24

    This is the 2nd time today that I fell for an April fools gag. 😊

  • @theotheoth
    @theotheoth 3 месяца назад +64

    I reported this as if it were headline news to two adult friends.... before actually playing the podcast. Thanks Bart and Meg for making me look a total idiot.

    • @christiantompkins6423
      @christiantompkins6423 3 месяца назад +11

      Well deserved. Learn from that ;)

    • @kemeishMotherfukish
      @kemeishMotherfukish 3 месяца назад

      Think of everything you might have taken in as truth in face value, atheists brag about being free of faith and forever entrenched in the practice of knowledge yet will immediately take anything at face value that matches their own beliefs.
      What makes them any different from the Christians they call out?
      By all means are we all bound to our subjectivity, yet we all claim also to be knowing of the ‘truth’
      With our emotions attached to these ideas we commit errors.
      One end isn’t more correct than the other, it’s merely the same thing, a belief.
      That is why I cannot stand the arrogance of atheists, that is why I am an agnostic because I don’t trust myself in being able to know the absolute truth.

    • @davidburroughs2244
      @davidburroughs2244 3 месяца назад +4

      I need nor needed any help in that regard and should be proud to say I "If this be foolery, let us make the most of it."

    • @soyevquirsefron990
      @soyevquirsefron990 3 месяца назад +4

      Reputable academics don’t toss the word “proof” around, if they say it at all.

    • @germanshepherd2701
      @germanshepherd2701 3 месяца назад

      In the words of Obi-Wan, “you have done that yourself!”
      No but seriously it’s your fault not theirs that you just spread random shit from the internet without checking it like a sheep lol

  • @JR-yo1fu
    @JR-yo1fu 3 месяца назад +13

    In Spain we celebrate something like the April fools in December, 28th calling it "The saints innocents", remembering the supposed killing of babys described in the Bible. As funny as spooky.

    • @Magnulus76
      @Magnulus76 Месяц назад

      The Holy Innocents is a different commemoration (December 28th), one more overtly religious in tone, than the Feast of Fools, which was usually around January 1st (and isn't really a thing anymore in most Protestant countries).

  • @noonesomeone669
    @noonesomeone669 3 месяца назад +12

    I think it would be interesting for Bart to have on an academic who specializes in magic in the ancient world. It is such an underappreciated field of study. Putting the figure of Jesus and his later following within the broader picture of the intersection of religion and magic would be beneficial for his audience and highlight an academic whose work is not usually viewed by the public.

    • @dukeon
      @dukeon 3 месяца назад +1

      Any academic in mind? Sounds like it would be a great discussion.

    • @welcometonebalia
      @welcometonebalia 3 месяца назад

      Maybe you already know them, but on RUclips I'd recommend the channels Religion for Breakfast (the host's speciality is early christian magic if I remember correctly) and Esoterica.

    • @noonesomeone669
      @noonesomeone669 3 месяца назад

      @@dukeon For a general audience an interview with Earl Fontainelle of the Secret History of Western Esotericism would be my choice. He is already a public facing academic which is huge since the study of magic is often looked down upon in the larger academic community. The generalist approach of his public facing scholarship is a plus for a one off episode.

  • @milowadlin
    @milowadlin 3 месяца назад +6

    For 8th grade commencement, we were required to write a speech for a contest about one of 3 topics. I chose the topic of Success, but having never written a speech before, I was stumped on what to write. My mother pointed out some quotes from a book she had by Albert Schweitzer on how to measure success. I completed the speech by turning SUCCESS into an acronym, and summing up with a little brown-nosing of our teachers. Though my only intent was to get the teacher off my back, I won the speech writing contest and had to give the speech at our commencement. I was going to get the book you recommended, but it seems I already have it.

    • @jeffryphillipsburns
      @jeffryphillipsburns 3 месяца назад +3

      Success: “Some people would be happy just to happy just to have one dream come true/But everything we gather is more that we can lose.” (Robert Hunter)

  • @jameswright...
    @jameswright... 3 месяца назад +4

    Jesus was the original April fools joke 😂
    Just got a little outta hand 😂😂

  • @OffgridTV
    @OffgridTV 3 месяца назад +5

    Well… Jesus is called a magician and sorcerer in the Talmud. You can read how he performed magic with the letters of Gods name in Toledot Yeshu.

  • @leedoss6905
    @leedoss6905 3 месяца назад +3

    Even if you did find proof it was all magic people wouldn't believe it.

  • @NovaSaber
    @NovaSaber 2 месяца назад +1

    Apologists who use the "the laws of nature prove a lawgiver" fallacy didn't get the memo about how natural laws just are and don't have to be "enforced".
    They literally say the consistency of natural laws is evidence of a being that can set/break/change them.
    Which isn't just nonsense, it's entirely backwards; they're literally saying a lack of divine intervention is evidence for god.

  • @breadfan7433
    @breadfan7433 3 месяца назад +12

    Happy April 2nd!

  • @jasonjenkins7295
    @jasonjenkins7295 3 месяца назад +5

    Another fantastic episode. Bart, I want you to know how much help you have given me through your writing. I was an aspiring fundamentalist preacher who began struggling with my faith at around age 30. From 30 to 40 I kind of ignored my belief system because it made me increasingly uncomfortable. At around 40 I started reading various books, including many of yours. They helped me transition into de-conversion but I regained my love for biblical studies without the crisis of faith I often had when encountering opinions different from my own. I'm now 44 with a re-ignited passion for scholarship but now as an atheist. Losing my faith was difficult but you helped me through it. Thank you.

    • @daroay
      @daroay 2 месяца назад

      all fundamentalists that leave the faith become atheists. On the other hand, catholics (those who understand it beyond myth) become platonists. Christianity is socratic thought combined with jewish mythology. Now that you know mythology is just that, why not go back to the basics?

  • @Tina06019
    @Tina06019 3 месяца назад +4

    Gotta be April’s Fools.
    No one would sign up for a pretend crucifixion.
    I fell for an April Fools story yesterday, so maybe I was expecting it.

    • @aprylvanryn5898
      @aprylvanryn5898 3 месяца назад +3

      Actually, some Christians do go thru the crucifixion process as a way of demonstrating their faith. I don't understand it, but several people a year do this.

    • @carlmally6292
      @carlmally6292 3 месяца назад +1

      It is a regular Good Friday ritual in the Phillipines

  • @liannechristian8597
    @liannechristian8597 3 месяца назад +1

    The first article of faith is the acceptance that this physical being is not all that we are. Whatever form this acceptance expresses itself is irrelevant, as they all play a role on our path to the revelation of our true nature as divine beings. I personally accept Jesus is still always trying to help return us to God, and while I am not a Christian, (because I don't accept that religion's interpretation of the crucifixion, not for our our sins, and resurrection, a demonstration that nothing can destroy truth), I absolutely will always be a follower of Jesus and open to his guidance.

  • @joshburgess1495
    @joshburgess1495 3 месяца назад +1

    lol I got the email and was like “wonder if they will carry it the whole episode” lol

  •  3 месяца назад +1

    In these Dark Ages, where idiocy is praised, I really thank you (Both of you) for caring about truth and knowledge so much to spread it

  • @rpellicer
    @rpellicer 3 месяца назад +1

    I fell for it, but then again, I had no idea what date ot was 😂😂😂
    BTW, whose voice is it who transitions between segments? Is he credited somewhere and am just missing it somehow?

  • @aprylvanryn5898
    @aprylvanryn5898 3 месяца назад

    That debate needs to be on yt. I will watch it over in the website eventually, but if it was here, I'd already be watching it

  • @spiritualanarchist8162
    @spiritualanarchist8162 3 месяца назад +2

    New gospel:
    Jesus : ' Look ladies & gentlemen... He's been dead for two days and now he's alive again ! ' A small donation please '
    Onlooker : 'Wait a minute ? ...That's Lazarus !. He was in fine health this morning ...;)

  • @rschreck
    @rschreck 3 месяца назад +5

    I’m disappointed that this *wasn’t* true

    • @nabuk3
      @nabuk3 2 месяца назад

      How do you know Jesus wasn't an illusionist, or whether the "miracles" were fabricated or exaggerated?

  • @dougjardine8545
    @dougjardine8545 3 месяца назад +14

    A day late!
    Blessèd are those who disbelieve without seeing.

    • @cezarjipa72
      @cezarjipa72 3 месяца назад +3

      That's a good one 😉

  • @BrianHartman
    @BrianHartman 3 месяца назад +3

    I love how Bart is keeping such a straight face. :)

  • @kuhnemund6523
    @kuhnemund6523 3 месяца назад +2

    My hopes were so high! Especially since the first artistic depictions of Jesus often showed him holding a wand. Did he play weddings and bar mitzvahs?

  • @belaytube9668
    @belaytube9668 3 месяца назад +1

    The Israeli bible historiographer Dr.Yigal Bin nun lectured recently on 'Historical Jesus' and mentioned that people in that time also ascribed him as magician among other attributes he listed that people thought of in that time

  • @Plethorality
    @Plethorality 3 месяца назад +3

    I thoight, nah. A liar woukd nit tell us to kove ourselves, our neighbours, ie every one around, and our enemies. That makes me believe Him. Genius. And most unusual.

  • @johnriley5499
    @johnriley5499 2 месяца назад +1

    "This guy is good...he should go professional".

  • @Sikader
    @Sikader 3 месяца назад +2

    April fools' day! There's no way in hell such a gospel wasn't revealed earlier!!!

  • @lonelycubicle
    @lonelycubicle 26 дней назад

    Seeing this late, but wasn’t there recently a discovery of the oldest text about Jesus’s childhood which included Jesus making birds from clay? My first reaction was it being rejected as canonical because did sound a bit like a magic trick and doesn’t at least have the practical effect of supplying wine for a wedding or food for a crowd.

  • @NotTheRealCodyDean
    @NotTheRealCodyDean 3 месяца назад +1

    I remember when I was younger, my uncle told me that Jesus pushed a little boy off a roof and killed him, and then he brought him back from the dead. My grandmother got so mad at my uncle and scolded him for telling me that. Years later in my adult life I’m reading the apocryphal Gospel of Thomas, and I read the part that my uncle had mentioned those many years ago, and it made me laugh so damn hard. I was like how the hell did he know that? Lmao.

    • @aliceputt3133
      @aliceputt3133 3 месяца назад +1

      Your Uncle’s past life? 😂

    • @NotTheRealCodyDean
      @NotTheRealCodyDean 3 месяца назад

      @@aliceputt3133 No, somebody definitely told him because he pushed back and double downed on it lol, but he didn’t know where he heard it from. He just thought it was in the Bible.

    • @rpellicer
      @rpellicer 3 месяца назад

      Bits and pieces of apocripha have been floating around for a while. For example, Peter being crucified upside down and Mary's immaculate conception are doctrine among Catholics but appear in non-canonical writings. The Infancy Gospel of Thomas was discovered sometime in the 19th century and books were written about it in the early 20th century. So very likely that word got out about what it said.

  • @Mapenzi2635
    @Mapenzi2635 3 месяца назад +2

    Prof. Bart, I admire your work. You have increased my faith in God.

  • @T-41
    @T-41 3 месяца назад +1

    You shouldn’t forget Dr. Ehrman’s sense of humor. Thanks for another interesting program. We out here in the hinterland are quite fortunate Dr. Ehrman didn’t follow the advice to stay away from the common folk.

  • @SubvertTheState
    @SubvertTheState 3 месяца назад +1

    I immediately checked the date. But this was one of the best April 1st claims I've seen on RUclips haha

  • @anthonymonge7815
    @anthonymonge7815 3 месяца назад +2

    After 23 years in the military, arthritis is my middle name. Motrin FTW.

  • @felixbors7546
    @felixbors7546 3 месяца назад +3

    There are extensive and numerous parallels between Greek-eastern orthodox (eg. Easter) and Masonic rituals. So maybe raising from the dead (eg.) is not related so much to miracles as to the ancient mysteries prevalent thru-out the eastern Europe - middle east. Thank you for this great podcast.

  • @manuaiipondraken8376
    @manuaiipondraken8376 2 месяца назад +2

    Jesus perform many miracles. But the two that stands out is the virgin birth and the resurrection. Because, this was prophecied hundreds of years before his birth. And he fulfills those two miracle prophecies, apart from other non miracle prophecies. That is why we believe he is the person whom the prophets said he was, confirm by John the Baptist and he himself claim and made reference to the writings of the prophets concerning himself.

  • @thescoobymike
    @thescoobymike 3 месяца назад +11

    The gospel being found in the Holy Grail is the most incredible part

  • @aosidh
    @aosidh 3 месяца назад +1

    The old April 2nd gambit 🫡

  • @willowwisp357
    @willowwisp357 3 месяца назад +1

    I prefer my Easter to fall on April Fools’ day, it’s more honest that way.

  • @danbreeden8738
    @danbreeden8738 4 дня назад

    Thank goodness bart ehrman and Josh bowen are communicating their views to everyone

  • @soyevquirsefron990
    @soyevquirsefron990 3 месяца назад +1

    I knew Dr Bart wouldn’t use the word “proof”

  • @BrianFedirko
    @BrianFedirko 2 месяца назад +1

    I LOVE her hair and glasses, very creative and so noticeable but quaint at the same time. I did kinda fall for the joke, but I do/have read deep into the illusionist practices of the times. Learning "tricks" wasn't alien to the learned teachers of the Abrahamic educators and priests. To be able to spot con artistry being played on ones flock/tribe was a necessity, and some peoples learned more than others. Physical tricks were common. Even the Pharoahs held competitions for magic tricksters to trick the pharoah upon winning a purse if the could be stumped. (they then would have to reveal the trick). It was a way of gaining education about the natural sciences without having a word for this mental arena in ancient times. Gr8! Peace ☮💜Love

  • @theoutspokenhumanist
    @theoutspokenhumanist 3 месяца назад +6

    I can almost hear so many Christians losing their minds. Well done guys.

  • @williamworth208
    @williamworth208 3 месяца назад +1

    Every knee shall bow

  • @godisfake78
    @godisfake78 3 месяца назад +4

    Well shit. I wish I hadn't seen the comments first. I would've fallen for it.

  • @lostfan5054
    @lostfan5054 3 месяца назад +2

    Hahaha you got me!! I was so excited to see new evidence about Jesus

  • @stevebeeney9022
    @stevebeeney9022 3 месяца назад +2

    The colorful Megan, the laughing Bart, thank you again.

  • @ajmeyers5661
    @ajmeyers5661 3 месяца назад +1

    I'm sure this fooled no one, but I have to click to see how dedicated they're going to be the the schtick! 😁

    • @bartdehrman
      @bartdehrman  3 месяца назад +1

      Yeah, they gave up on the joke pretty early, didn't they?

  • @James-wv3hx
    @James-wv3hx 2 месяца назад

    When I was 4 years old and heard about a talking snake I knew it was a scam.

  • @davidburroughs2244
    @davidburroughs2244 3 месяца назад +2

    One of the few announcements (well, of several, actually) that I may find myself willing and completely willingly would buy in on

  • @tracyfasthorse3992
    @tracyfasthorse3992 2 месяца назад +1

    What is the Taylor podcast you mentioned? I couldn’t locate it. Thank you

  • @nancyhall7697
    @nancyhall7697 3 месяца назад +2

    OMG, I totally fell for this. Googled trying to find out more. Derp.

  • @harrythehandyman
    @harrythehandyman 3 месяца назад +1

    I wonder if there is survivor bias in the miracle stories in all kinds of regions. The people who survived or benefited from the miracle are more likely to write it down or tell other people. The 'failed' miracle stories were less told and documented.

  • @jacemachine
    @jacemachine 3 месяца назад +1

    I hate April Fool's Day. A waste of everyone's time. Sorry Bart.

  • @Bob94390
    @Bob94390 2 месяца назад

    The main difference between Mohammed, Jesus, Thor, Apollo and so on on one side and Harry Potter on the other side is that nobody has been killed for not believing in Harry Potter.

  • @therealzilch
    @therealzilch 3 месяца назад

    I was only 1/2 taken in for about three seconds. I'm glad this April Fool tuned into you again. Fascinating as usual, thanks.

  • @sillyrabbit77
    @sillyrabbit77 3 месяца назад +1

    Oh my science the hair on Megan is amazing. Bart should do a color too. Great episode by the way.

  • @SammyMikovoure
    @SammyMikovoure 2 месяца назад +1

    False teachers will appear after His death and resurrection as warned by Jesus Himself.

  • @BrentRichards-vp1cg
    @BrentRichards-vp1cg 3 месяца назад +1

    Peter was like a gangster Thug

  • @joemedley195
    @joemedley195 3 месяца назад +1

    I like the new subsegment. Please keep doing it. I can't wait until you get to a book that I haven't heard of yet.

  • @user-xm5qx3zg6u
    @user-xm5qx3zg6u 2 месяца назад

    This topic dovetails nicely with Dr.Lena Einhorn’s theory that Jesus is ‘the Egyptian’ mentioned in Josephus and Acts. I would be interested to know if Dr. Bart read her book?

  • @Sammyandbobsdad
    @Sammyandbobsdad 3 месяца назад +2

    Proof is sacrilegious, because any proof means a denial of faith, and without a leap of faith against the unprovable, then there’s no actual faith.

    • @michaeldebellis4202
      @michaeldebellis4202 3 месяца назад +2

      I’ve never understood why people hold up faith as a good thing. Faith is belief without reason. Reason is one of the most significant things that differentiate humans from the rest of the known universe. If there were a God why would She want us to abandon one of the greatest gifts we have? The other thing about faith is you can use it to justify anything. The 9/11 terrorists were acting on faith and on grounds of faith you can’t say they were wrong.

    • @Sammyandbobsdad
      @Sammyandbobsdad 3 месяца назад +1

      @@michaeldebellis4202 I agree, but if your belief is based upon faith, claiming there is proof is to say faith isn’t necessary, which is the opposite of what Christianity stands for, so it’s funny that the conservative Evangelical Christian debating Dr. Ehrman thinks there is proof while BART says no there isn’t is kind of funny.

    • @michaeldebellis4202
      @michaeldebellis4202 3 месяца назад

      @@Sammyandbobsdad Now, I understand what you're saying and I agree. Good point.

    • @jeffmacdonald9863
      @jeffmacdonald9863 3 месяца назад +1

      Which has always seemed a weird argument to me when the Bible is full of Jesus (and later the Apostles) doing miracles and signs to show God's power.

    • @Sammyandbobsdad
      @Sammyandbobsdad 3 месяца назад

      @@jeffmacdonald9863 because as my mother believed, no matter how good a story you have, it couldn’t be improved by a dozen lies.

  • @zdzislawmeglicki2262
    @zdzislawmeglicki2262 3 месяца назад +2

    "Miracle" = "The Power of Placebo"

  • @Phi1618033
    @Phi1618033 3 месяца назад

    Even thought this is an April Fools prank, the substance feels all too real.

  • @bahreh.7807
    @bahreh.7807 3 месяца назад +1

    For atheists, materialist, darwinians, ... The Bible & Christian Faith remain critical source of income 😅😅

  • @chrisgmurray3622
    @chrisgmurray3622 3 месяца назад

    I had to laugh! This recalls the UK magician Dynamo, walking on water, and pouring a huge pile of fish out of a previously empty plastic bucket in South Africa.

  • @RLBays
    @RLBays 3 месяца назад

    Just finished listening to this edition on Spotify - great conversation! I love the April Fools bit but may I suggest that you tweak the headline a little to make sure folks know that the subject is really about how the ancient world would have viewed "miracle" claims (miracle in quotes because of my new knowledge of the difference between "miracles" in the Synoptics and "signs" in John - fascinating)!!

  • @Tigerfan50
    @Tigerfan50 3 месяца назад +2

    Always enjoy Megan and Bart's videos. Most informative!!

  • @garyeddings2639
    @garyeddings2639 3 месяца назад +4

    Megan - how do you pull off the hair color changes?😅 I love thart you change so often...keeping true to yourself is so important..Love it.

  • @ji8044
    @ji8044 3 месяца назад +1

    The WTF look on Bart's face was great!

  • @vincentrockel1149
    @vincentrockel1149 13 дней назад

    The difference between a philosophical and religious point of view is who the argument is directed at.
    Philosophy seeks the approval of the best and brightest.
    Religion seeks to convince the lowest common denominator and work upward from there. Banking on the herd mentality of many to gain converts.

  • @tedgrant2
    @tedgrant2 3 месяца назад

    There's no end to this story.

  • @iggyclubb
    @iggyclubb 3 месяца назад +4

    What? It’s fake? Who knew?

  • @iBOT-R3
    @iBOT-R3 3 месяца назад

    To think that the majority of people around the world still identify to mythical religions goes to show how primitive humanity is. Never mind our inability to think of consequences beyond our short term personal gains.

  • @elizabethfrootloop7814
    @elizabethfrootloop7814 3 месяца назад

    After 7 hours of debate you will need to find someone to raise ME from the dead!

  • @Lasselucidora
    @Lasselucidora 3 месяца назад +1

    If Bart had dropped that pen it might had fallen to the roof.
    But Bart did not have the faith.
    Does not the New Testament say that?

  • @jordanbtucker
    @jordanbtucker 3 месяца назад

    I was going to say... historians and scientists rarely use the word "proof". Glad this was an April Fools prank.

  • @aliceputt3133
    @aliceputt3133 3 месяца назад

    Thomas Jefferson didn’t believe in Jesus’ miracles and cut them out of his Bible. It’s called the Jefferson Bible and focus on his teachings.

  • @hellofranky99
    @hellofranky99 3 месяца назад

    How Bart and Megan kept a straight face is literally a miracle.

  • @karekarenohay4432
    @karekarenohay4432 3 месяца назад +1

    I knew it was historically impossible. But...

  • @uclakirk
    @uclakirk 3 месяца назад

    Let’s rename April 1st to “National Click Bait Acceptance Day”

  • @agentoffortune74
    @agentoffortune74 3 месяца назад

    I've always thought it funny that Moses was taken to task by God for doing magic tricks done by Pharaoh's magicians, meanwhile Jesus performed miracles of the same character.

  • @OdjoAdja
    @OdjoAdja 2 месяца назад

    maybe it's not about the power of illusionist but the intended 'out of body experience' which still can interact with human sensory realm..

  • @carvoloco4229
    @carvoloco4229 3 месяца назад

    It is well established that he went around with his hat full of bread and his pockets stuffed with fish so that he could perform his famous bread&fish multiplication trick!

  • @neclark08
    @neclark08 3 месяца назад +1

    ...a Day-Late for "APRIL FOOLS !!"

  • @BookHen-xn2bh
    @BookHen-xn2bh 3 месяца назад

    Megan Lewis and Bart D. Ehrman, I have a suggestion for an episode. Do an episode on the Church before Paul started writing letters. How was the Church different or same before Paul?

    • @iam604
      @iam604 2 месяца назад

      There was no “Church” prior to the character Paul believed to have written any letters. The actual so called “Church”, which is the Roman Catholic Church, was established in 590 C.E. With Pope Gregory I even though it was written that the character Peter would build Jesus’s church in Matt. 16:18. In order for the church to establish its power, it had to make Peter a “saint” only and teaches nothing of Peter actually starting the “church” at all.
      What you are looking for is what were the first so called Christians were like. The truth of that will be a shocker.

  • @mr.zafner8295
    @mr.zafner8295 3 месяца назад +2

    This is a terrible idea. I love it

  • @nickydaviesnsdpharms3084
    @nickydaviesnsdpharms3084 3 месяца назад

    you wanna be careful someone doesn't clip that first bit lol or hopefully doesn't do what I did and watch up until that bit then run downstairs for dinner, i'm glad i returned to continue this episode tho lol

  • @erpthompsonqueen9130
    @erpthompsonqueen9130 3 месяца назад +1

    Would like to see the 7hr debate.
    Link please.

    • @gusdenver
      @gusdenver 3 месяца назад

      Not gonna happen. Bart and Mike wouldn't make any more money.

    • @MossyMozart
      @MossyMozart 3 месяца назад

      Didn't Ms Lewis give the e-ddress in the video?