Orthodox Christianity & False Ideas About Christianity - Rod Dreher
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- Опубликовано: 5 дек 2019
- In this episode, Rod Dreher discusses some of the false ideas about #Christianity common in the West that can make it difficult for Orthodox Christian witness.
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He's right. Especially, when you never experienced Orthodoxy before. Family members who actually practice the faith have a huge influence on people too.
The Lord called him in a beautiful way and through God's grace he responded!
One of Rod’s great strengths is his ability to coherently annunciate what’s going on in some facets of the non-stop decline into the abyss of degeneracy that we are experiencing in western civilization. His solutions are always limp-wristed and pathologically cerebral but his diagnostics are usually pretty good.
People, especially Americans, it seems, are obsessed with creating God to suit their wants and biases, rather than to empty themselves of their egos and let God reside in and work through them.
St. Augustine once said "Lord give me chastity--just not right now!"
we all say that even though we know we shouldn't
Holiness, truth, and beauty - glory to God! Thanks, Rod.
Thanks to God!
:) Thanks for posting. I enjoy hearing all the different stories and testimonies of Protestant/Evangelical/Independent Christians converting or in the process of becoming an Orthodox Christian. May The Lord have mercy on your ministry, "Protecting Veil"!
Thanks be to God! Amen...pray for us!
@@ProtectingVeil :) I will.
Former Roman Catholic. I went from a vatican 2 Catholic and after doing much research went to the sspx but after sspx made an agreement woth rome it made me dig deeper, was even considering sedevacantism, but during the reseach i cme across Orthodoxy and have been studying almost daily, since then i renouced the Roman Catholic Church and now embarrassed true Orthodoxy
Beautiful. Thank you. I find that one of the signs of those who are experiencing God in their lives through the Orthodox Church is the clarity and authenticity with which they speak, without relying solely on what has been written (although there is nothing wrong with that). That is demonstrated very clearly in all of the ones who have done these interviews. Mr. Dreher's posits completely make sense.
I agree it’s seems that 80-90% are converted by experience and inspiring stories not apologetics although I found my self in the latter it helps me better witness to my wife and family by sharing the experiences and orthodox spiritual life.
I'm a former protestant who's leaning toward becoming Orthodox and I might be converted by both. I think that the spiritual reality is very important, if lives are not sanctified and changed, then it makes your faith look weak. But also, can you back it up with facts, logic, and history? I'm leaning toward becoming Orthodox because it SEEMS to meet all these qualifications.
@@Ioannikios174 Curious. I'm leaning towards catholicism for similar reasons. They seem to be far more willing to deal with philosophy and logic, far more bent on evangelising and do not suffer from the petty disputes between churches that can sometimes arise in the Orthodox world. Because at some point atheists and other critics will come and ask us about our faith, and we'll have to back it up with arguments. Saying "because Jesus said so" will not be an option then. At least that's my 2 cent.
There is a certain difference in the Orthodox view of Theology! Both Roman Catholicism and Protestantism have a theology based on the beliefs of one individual who is either the Pope or the protestant believer!
In the Orthodox Church, we entirely trust in the living experience of the Whole Church!
Infallibility is a gift that was bestowed on the oneness of the whole Church, because Church is the wholeness of a mystical body whose Head is the only infallible Son of man Who is the incarnated Son of God! For this very reason Orthodoxy is expressed and declared in Ecumenical Councils!
@@user-et8vm9cc3t Catholicism is actually very divided and many say that this pope isn't even a real pope. Also, none of that has to do with them being the true Church or not. Peter committed himself to heresy before he repented and the New Testament Church was certainly not without scandal or issues. That must be remembered.
@@dimitrispeiraias Really ? The "whole Church" as you say? Then what about the current "schism" between Moscow and Constantinople? What about this bickering between churches and the mixing of the own national interests in the entire issue? What about Moscow triyng to get more influence on to the Slavic countries ? They've always wanted to get a grasp of them, always wanted to exert their influence, first with Panslavism, then with Communism, and now with Orthodoxy. What about the lack of ecumenical counsils after 1054 ?
By the way, there is an entire organism of the Catholic church called the "Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith". So the Pope is not alone.
Also, my apologies if this comment may have appeared brash to you.
Looking forward to more of Dreher's thoughts.
Stay tuned! :-)
@@ProtectingVeil I shall do that! I hold out hope to meet you and some of the folks that you interview some day.
I love the statements that Rob made towards the end of this interview about the efficacy of beauty as a means of conveying “the glory of the grandeur of God”.
Hey Rod! It's Thaddeus! Good to see you on the youtubes.
I have never heard of your church until I had dream that I said i must be reborn in orthodoxindy. I know this may seem like I’m nuts.
Excellent interview.
I've been following Rod Dreher on his American Conservative blog for a few years now but this is the first time that I've actually heard him speak. His voice and demeanor are much as I expected. There are contradictions here, he is half run and ride half stay and fight. His reporting of the Catholic sex abuse and homosexual corruption in the Roman church has been remarkable as is his work exposing Moral Therapeutic Deism.
However there is something of the Milquetoast about him, very keen to maintain his middle class credentials and position in polite society. Maybe I am being too hard on the guy. He has a wife and kids to feed and bills to pay. I will continue to follow his work.
7:42, Dreher explains his personal experience of Orthodoxy for the first time.
wow how impressive, very good
God bless !
Thank you!
Good one!
Excellent
Brilliant!
Yes and amen!
I agree with Brother Dreher's concept and personal ideas of Christianity, and how the Orthodox believer should deal with the rest of Christendom (2:29).
It's easy to record much higher quality sound.
AMEN!
"Now I confidently say that whosoever calls himself, or desires to be called, Universal Priest, is in his elation the precursor of Antichrist, because he proudly puts himself above all others."
- Pope Saint Gregory the Great - defender of Orthodoxy (or as he is known in the Orthodox Church, Saint Gregory the Dialogist; Book VII: Epistle XXXIII)
Excellent content, interesting interviews, competent video, but horrible audio quality. It sounds like the microphone is ten feet away from the person speaking. I really hope this doesn’t come across as rude. Just thought some constructive criticism might be helpful. Anyway, if you can improve the sound quality in the future, you’ll have a top notch channel.
Thanks for your comment, Mr. Mous! Please rest assured that I am working on the audio! I have a number of interviews "in the can" that have less-than-desirable audio...alas...
They give me lip service, but their hearts are far from me!-Jesus Never compromise with the world. Ever!
Never compromise with the world. EVER! Never EVER! 🌺☦️🌺
Yea, even if you have be Orthodox for meany years one still clings toold ideas!
One, Holy, Catholic, Apostolic, and as he threw away, ROMAN.
Pray excuse my intervening sir, however there are no 'pastors' in Orthodoxy. Both the Eastern Orthodox and the Roman Catholic Church claim Αποστολική Διαδοχή ("apostolic succession") that is the direct spiritual and priestly succession [by means of consecutive ordaining ("χειροτονία") through the centuries] line that stems from the Disciples themselves (for instance, in the Vatican one can see a giant slab of marble listing the Popes and the first one is Peter the Apostle). The titles "preacher", "pastor", "minister" a.o. pertain to functionaries in the various Protestant Churches. Now, the Protest has been excommunicated real fast by the Vatican (and Orthodoxy has followed suit, that is why you have been baptized as if you were a convert from outside of Christianity; should you had originally been a Roman Catholic turning to Orthodoxy there would have been no need for this...) therefore the protestant have never even attempted to brand their clergymen "priests", as they know they have turned their back to the established Dogmas and have formed their system on a different basis. An Orthodox priest is required to give sermons during mass and many of them also preach to audiences extra ambo -Sunday schools, functions, seminars etc etc. There also are lay preachers, holders of divinity degrees or otherwise theologically learned men (in their vast majority). But no pastors in any of the Orthodox Churches.
I'm sure he knows this. It may have just been a slip of the tongue. Or perhaps he was trying to include Protestants in what he was saying about allowing church leaders to speak truth of the scriptures into our lives?
@@wisewomanhealing To be honest, I take it this has been a slip of the tongue; the context from abt 6:00 onwards does not demonstrate any intention for inclusion of others as the phrase: "...the whole truth etc... from our pastors, our priests and our bishops as Orthodox Christians..." leaves little to speculate or contemplate about.
A fervent neophyte/convert as much as a keenly practicing person born into Orthodoxy is bound to be very much drawn to this scheme of age-old theological thought and clean, non negotiable lines (that have spread deep roots into the traditional culture, customs and practices and even in statute legislation -I dare say- of many European nations) despite modernity, Enlightenment, human rights and the emerging personal, social and political values thereof.
Our "pastors" (say preachers), priests and bishops who are into mainstream Orthodox thought and dogma here in Greece that I can speak of, keep on repeating in all tones of voice in their strive to impress it upon their flock that Rome equals "schism", the Protest equals heresy and all 'fringe Protestant' denominations ( I won't be calling names...) are invariably from twofold heresy down to cults or very little short of (at best).
Do they attend inter Christian and interfaith congresses, world summits etc? Yes they do, for appearances' sake (in the most literal sense of the term), and too many of them don't shy away from declaring this publicly (here in Greece, I must repeat...), never mincing their words, in fact:
"There isn't anything to debate or compare and contrast really, for we are holding the truth" [and there ain't two ways about it, I'd wish to add...].
Now, some people do honestly cherish clarity and rigid lines and that's perfectly alright with me (God forbid!)....
I grew up evangelical and I was just Chrismated, not baptized. The canons states that anyone baptized in the trinitarian formula have valid baptisms. Anyone who says otherwise is going against Orthodox canon law.
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Pope Benedicts comment (10:02) I reject, because if people are one over to the Lord because of ornate surroundings then they're no better than the those described in Mark 13:1 & Matthew 24:1. Brother, people are won to Christ not by anything else than the truth of the Gospel!
Roger McIntyre That’s stupid. Orthodoxy’s best apologetic is it’s beauty.
Werd Nnam Brother, you may think it’s stupid (that’s alright, I’m not offended!), but it sounds like your someone who is preoccupied with formality instead of the truth of Christianity! That’s too bad!
Werd Nnam The beauty of Christianity is not the material structure of a building, but in the holy character of the inhabitants of the building!
@@drewmann856 The Gospel is not an apologetic, it is "a message" from God telling us about His salvation in what Christ has done for us. It is critical information, without which we stand condemned before God. The beauty and glory is in our savior, Jesus Christ, not in buildings and relics made by men. When we understand what Christ went through, taking on the punishment for all our sins, he becomes more beautiful to us than anything else. This is about spirit, not the material world. God will judge our souls, the spiritual side of us, and especially to see if the Spirit of Christ was in us, which makes us one of his. Walk by faith in the Word of God, and not by faith in what you see. Satan is a deceiver, look at how he deceived Eve in the garden, with something that looked good, but caused her to forget the word that God gave to her, and then she deceived Adam. Satan uses the same tactics over and over, and people have fallen for them since the garden of Eden, but the bible opens our eyes to his schemes. READ YOUR BIBLE---use your God given eyes for that, so you will not get fooled by the devil and end up with him and his angels, in the lake of fire---forever!
God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;
Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;
And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation.
That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:
For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.
God also said to worship the Lord in beauty and holiness. God became incarnate, able to be seen in flesh and blood. The world was redeemed through a material person and its good and proper to worship him with the aid of beautiful things whether they be songs, an icon, a statue or a stained glass window. These things remind us of the Church as the visible presence of God's kingdom on earth.
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No true scotsmen, is what you say?
James Worswick was born in Lancashire in 1771 and became a Catholic priest and the refounder of the Catholic Church in Newcastle upon Tyne. I used to go to Mass in Worswick Street when I was a student.
According to the Oros of 1755, James Worswick was not validly baptised, confirmed nor ordained, and this is what Rod Dreher believes, which is quite a U-turn since he was a Catholic himself. I think people need to be warned that "Orthodoxy" is just an ultra-sectarian lunatic fringe religion. Patriarch Cyril V was initially opposed by a majority of the Synod (they're not all crazy), so he had them exiled and then the Oros could be railroaded through. It was watered down in 1888 since not all the Orthodox are so keen on the general fanaticism of the Oros. Nevertheless the ruling on Father Worswick still stands. I find it offensive and disgusting because the Orthodox Church never made any attempt to send a mission to the Newcastle area, not even by the time I was baptised in Hebburn in 1955.
The Gospel (the good news of the forgiveness of all our sins through what Jesus Christ did for us) is the core of Christianity. Instead of being in awe of buildings that men have built, we should be in awe of the greatest thing that God has done for us in Christ. What else can take away all the sins we have committed, and released us from the eternal condemnation we deserve, promising instead a resurrection to eternal life in the Kingdom of God? Romans 1:20 tells us that what God has made, all of creation, plainly shows that He exists, and He made it known before all the church buildings were constructed. Instead of looking at buildings, look into the Word of God, given to us by the Holy Spirit as it guided the prophets and apostles etc., to write it down for us. The bible is a special revelation of God, which we would have not known, unless it was given to us and is a gift to us sinful and easily deceived humans. Jeremiah 17:9--Look it up! Christianity is only "churchianity" if the Gospel of Christ is not the rock foundation it is built on and churchianity will not save anyone--Jesus Christ alone is able and willing to save us if we come to him by faith and by his word. Warm and fuzzy feelings, nor our so called "morality" make us right before God. Romans 3:23 We are saved by Christ thru faith and then added to "his church", the people of God universal and eternal. Talk about false ideas about Christianity, it is right here, in these emotionally driven ideas. Get your true Christianity out of the bible, not from the personal experience of nice people who mean well, but are off course on the most important issue of your life! Do not just listen to me, but please read your bible for yourself, for your eternal soul depends on it. Pray to God that He will open your eyes to "His Truth" as you read the bible, and start in the New Testament (Covenant) portion of it, for these are the words that lead to salvation and eternal life.
Have you consulted Freud before Orthodoxy? I am not convinced by your grand theology. Just another one of those. Nice designer hairstyle though.
"we live in a very greedy culture" but he supports Trump and Johnson, the champions of this very greedy culture... Cannot wrap my mind around that!
You think Dreher supports Trump? Have you ever read his blog??
Well not that im a Trump fan but hes one of the few presidents to ever refuse a salary and he donated millions during the major hurricane. I know as I live in Florida. If he were greedy i think he would have accepted his salary and also not donated his own money. Cant think of a time when Obama donated his own money to help during any disaster/crisis or that he refused a salary as president.
And why do you assume he supports Trump? Do you think all Christians do and do you assume all Christians are Republicans?
I think it's very odd of you to bring up such political stuff during this video. Why not go on a political video where people are bashing trump? Well just turn on CNN or any cable news network. You sure can find it there and be with like minds.
And even though trump is gone and out of our lives for some reason people just cant seem to move forward. Very sad. Letting someone rent so much space in your mind. 🤔
Rod get rid of the pretentious glasses.
This is NOT Christianity it is idolatry.
No it's not...
Whose the angry Protestant in the room?
This is what happens when there is a lack of holy tradition in the church. You will never understand or experience the fullness of the Christian faith.
Thought the same thing for years. Not anymore. Don't be scared to see for yourself. It indeed is a hard thing when you feel that searching for God in places foreign to you might cause you to lose your ticket (salvation). Taste and see, the Lord is good.