@@BSO111968 exactly, he may not have been a great head coach, but given the circumstances in New York, I don't know who could be a good head coach for the Jets
It’s weird, when you look at the successful teams they have a clear established hierarchy Why do the bad teams not follow the molds. It’s like theses guys forget their business acumen the moment they become NFL owners
I really can't believe some Jets fans now want to run this team back lol. What respectable coach is going to want to have their season be 'Aaron & Friends' for their first season?
With respect to Brou and KW's comment on Carolina, Tepper has stepped back this season in Carolina. Granted they havent won many games but they are headed in the right direction.
In case anyone was wondering, Nicks claim that Lamar didn’t play well against Kansas City because he had his second lowest passer rating of the year is a lie. It wasn’t his second lowest passer rating of the year. His passer rating in that game was 90.8 Mahomes passer rating for the season is 91.
I legitimately don’t understand how *this* is the Justin Herbert conversation when Brandon Staley was almost constantly ridiculed on this *and* they’re rebuilding with no skill position players of note outside of Ladd
He has a top 5 defense, he's never going to have the perfect team especially now that he's being paid like a superhero It'll get a little better, but if he's one of those guys he's gotta start making some noise
Name the modern day top qb that has the perfect team? Especially once they pay him big money? You're going to have to compensate for the things the team is missing in order to win big.
He literally has Lamar Jackson’s setup prior to Derek Henry arriving. A Harbaugh at HC. Literally Lamar’s OC and RBs. One pretty good receiver another 1st round pick at receiver that hasn’t panned out and a top 5 defense. Let’s simply hold him to the standard and expectations that Lamar had.
What would Mahomes record be with Anthony Lynn and Brandon Staley as a head coach? And what would Herbert’s be with Andy Reid? I think Mahomes is the best in the game. But this Herbert slander by this panel on a regular basis is ridiculous. He’s for sure top 5 QB if not top 3 behind Mahomes and Allen. He has arguably the worst interior offensive line and no weapons outside of McConkey. His stats are similar to Mahomes’ who also is working with less talented weapons than in the past. Stop the hate.
Everything that Nick Wrong criticizes Justin Herbert for can be said about Matt Stafford. He's below .500 in his career and has thrown for a ton of yards and touchdowns because he's always playing from behind. Matt Stafford didn't win his first playoff game till year 13. But Nick Wrong says Matt Stafford is elite.
He criticized Herbert for not having done anything “A+” worthy in the regular season.. yet Herbert has had the best start to a career stats wise.. people hate on Herbert for not winning games.. but they are so quick to make every excuse for burrow this year for having a bad defense.. like Herbert didn’t deal with that his whole career..
They talked about bad owners as if the chargers haven’t been the cheapest organization. They have had bad ownership for years. The reason they left SD is the owner wanted the city to pay for the stadium.. trade Herbert to a championship proven organization and you’ll see the difference.. harbaugh might be able to save Herbert. If not herbert will be another stafford.
Schottenheimer wasn't the coach. Bobby Ross was the coach in 94. Marty was coaching the Chiefs at the time. The Chargers fired Marty after a 14-2 season though. (Later)
3 coaches in 5 years for Herbert. Are we going to forget the clown show Staley was running there? Also whos his number 1 receiver? McConkey shows promise but even he dropped critical passes......its the organization
I wonder how Nick is gonna find a way to talk trash about Herbert after that win tonight, even though he legitimately did everything Nick asked for lol
If Herbert was having the career lamar or even dak has the media would call him a future hall of famer...he never gets smoke despite playing in 1 playoff game and lost it to another bumbass qb in Trevor Lawrence
Including Dak with Lamar was very sneaky and don't think we wouldn't notice lol - Maybe Dak and Baker ..but don't couple Dak with Lamar they are in a complete different type of Convo 1 is a 2x MVP and one of the most electric players ever and one is a average QB just so happens to be at the most covered sports team
If you actually WATCH the games. The Ravens are the problem as a team not just Lamar playing bad. Last year the recovers dropped 7 passes the most in a game that year and this year Henry turned over the ball on the first play of the game and Tucker went 1-4 in fg’s including his missed extra point. No QB is good enough to overcome something like that they as a team need to do better.
@@jgmusic_does Josh Allen have another mvp on his team? No. People were saying Henry was the mvp which means they have another great player on the team
@@Peekaboo6969Marcus mariota is probably the best back up in the league. He deserves a second shot like darnold has had in a competent system. Trash on the panthers as a bad opponent all you want, fact remains he threw multiple touchdowns in relief and that game helped them secure a playoff spot.
This mf made a graphic of Lamar vs KC PITT and the PLAYOFFS. The other side Lamar vs everyone else??? Bro make the corniest targeted statlines of all time
@@MikkiChavez if the argument was just playoffs, sure. regular season games vs the steelers and chiefs are no different in magnitude than regular season games vs the bengals and bills.
@OGSVN dude, he Can't beat Chiefs or Steelers. They're showing a pattern for you casuals to understand the problem is his or his teams play vs such teams. Like wtf
Justin Herbert has now, the worst pass blocking interior, no “promised” run game, a terrorist at OC, and 1 receiving weapon. Let me know a QB in the NFL who has less on the OFFENSIVE side of the ball.
Nick gives all other QBs grace regarding changes in OC, but not Herbert because he is in his division and has had a better statistical start than his savior
Brou says were are the Bengals in the Lamar stats. I would also like to see the numbers with Lamar vs the Bills (overall) as well. Bet it's bad outside earlier this year
19:42 Explain how a guy can have that kind of start to a career but it doesn't equal wins? Coaching, O-line, defense, etc. have all been serious issues until this year and it's only Harbaugh's first season. Have to look at the context. Look at Joe Burrow this season; amazing stats, team isn't good.
Actually it’s pretty common. There’s a gap between willing a team to win talent and great quarterback talent. There’s only a few guys that can drag their teams. Herbert needs more help to unlock his talent and always needed better coaching
@ I'm not denying that a QB plays a very big role in a team being able to win. If you took Mahomes off the Chiefs, they'd really struggle. If you took Lamar off the Ravens, they'd struggle as well. I just think there are some QB's that are undeniably very talented, but have had more inconsistent coaching, defense, overall team structure etc. than others. I don't think it's as simple as "well he doesn't win games." Again, look at the records Herbert is setting/on pace to set. If he was putting up those same numbers/records but had Andy Reid, Travis Kelce, and Tyreek Hill all in their primes you'd have virtually the same results. I'm not saying he's as good as Mahomes, because Pat has earned everything he's achieved, but I don't think Pat's the only QB capable of achieving what he has with those weapons/coaching.
wtf are these bums talking about , did they forget Herbert had Staley for 3 years and this was a rebuild year. Gotta start winning games when it’s the first year of Harbaugh , without any weapons, a run game and an interior line . Not to mention one of the worst OC’s in the league .
And they are so quick to make excuses for burrow for having one of the worst defenses.. like Herbert didn’t have the worst defense, special teams and o line for years.. he had good weapons, which is why he was able to shine through all that l.. imagine this offense with staley and that defense. Top 10 pick team forsure
Not a Herbert fan definitely a Civilian BUT Im not blaming that 27 point lead playoff game in any way on him you lose like that it’s DEFINITELY your Defenses fault
You mean all of the segments this year where Nick was blasting Rodgers and blaming him for everything that happened with the Jets all year, despite the fact that he had zero evidence, ended up being a bunch of nonsense? What a shock.
Not considering the bengals a big time matchup for Lamar is actually insane 🤦🏽♂️ that’s two of the top 5 QB’s matching up twice a year, Nick is crazy for that
Wasn’t this supposed to be a rebuild year for the Chargers? Whole coaching staff and gm got changed. Offense got completely retooled and blasted. Defense is better, but still rebuilding and first year with Harbaugh. Y’all call it excuses, but literally just straight facts lol
Week 1 lamar had a better game than mahomes. Also, allQB numbers were down the first two weeks but coming out of week 1 Lamar had the 3rd best game of any QB and it was in a loss
Brou claiming that he basically started the narrative that jerry jones is the problem is the most brou thing ever… DUH jerry jones interferes too much everyone knows that
Nick has to crush every great player that is any threat to his favorites. It’s the flaw in his analysis. He gives great opinions on just about everything except anyone that has any level of threat to his favorites. Nick Bayless and it will only get worse
Justin Hebert been mid and can continue being mid and his Stans will still judge him based on his potential they saw his rookie year. They can blame coaching now. They are out of excuse
Lol you’re probably a dolphins fan who is upset your team took Tua 😂 Justin Hebert has an awful interior Oline, the worst skill position group in the NFL (WR, TE, RB) and don’t take my word for it. The nfl ranked skill position talent before the 2024 season and had the chargers at 32 out of 32. Jim Harbaugh is great but Greg Roman had people saying Lamar can’t pass 😂 Kurt Warner had a beautiful breakdown of how bad Greg Roman’s passing plays are. You’re just a hater and Herbert is the 2nd highest graded deep ball passer this year
There are others. But they REALLY hate him. You can say hes overrated. I've seen Dolphins fans say he shouldn't be a starter in the NFL. Which is lunacy.
Jets are actually a forward thinking franchise.... everyone wants to get younger in the NFL, so why not turn over roster decisions to a 17 year old named Brick? it's the next logical step 😅
Someone should absolutely offer the Broncos a 6th round pick and kick the tires on Wilson. But I felt his lack of success was more of a product of the Jets than his issues before this article.
You can tell instantly who knows what they're talking about with regards to QBs based solely on their Herbert take and Nick is not coming out of this well
Sports media loves to trash Herbert. Dude continues to set records while dealing with more issues than any other starting QB for last 4-5 years. Has any other QB had as many head coach or OC changes. He been through about 4 offensive system changes in that time as well as this year who does he have to throw the ball to? Have feel bad for a top 5 talented QB where everything seems to be against him
They have 0 weapons. Give him some of the weapons “elite QBs” have and they see what happens. That’s why Herbert’s stats are down. But he did win today. Lmao.
I mean how is he wrong. He’s never had a great game against the Steelers and always struggles with 1-9 record against them. Him balling out would be a positive first step over an ugly win where he plays terrible
I’m very confident with people’s takes with Herbert career “not being up to what it should be” and pinning on him fully believe: - Lynn and Staley are Super Bowl winning capable head coaches, despite no one else believing them to be anything more then an assistant, and have made terrible calls that cost the Chargers games (definitely Staley). - The rest of the team hasn’t been fully committed in previous years to playing at their best (proof there is how the team played with Stick last season after they sacked Staley). - That playing with these scraps on offense, where even these 3 same “sports analysts” talk down on the receiving core, is also a Super Bowl-capable offense that Herbert is letting down, despite all but 1 WR being actually capable of constantly catching, when the OC calls for constant running plays with a terrible RB room, and the only capable TE is Smartt. Any QB with a bad offense is either vying for the best draft pick they can, or you’re lying to yourself and everyone else, because that offense is actually decent. Mahomes nor Brady couldn’t do anything better with this offense, with that stupid run first scheme.
Matt Stafford is the perfect example in Why wins for a quarterback are the best stat because that guy threw four like 50,000 yd while he was a lion and nobody gave him any credit for being a good quarterback until he started winning in La
Nick I appreciate your work. I know your a Lamar fan you simply want him to have a SB win . You are the only objective, even if sometimes reaching to do so, person in media feeding the flame. Ive been a fan since watching you wax on my guy in 2019. My ravens win from hate not love.and Brou my ravens will revenge tour the playoffs to a superbowl. Get your sandwiches, chips soda and robes ready. Wildes you have surprisingly high amounts of street cred. You're our guy
If Robert Salah did not have a say in drafing Zach Wilson, he goes from being a bad coach to a very good head coach. They won 7 games with Wilson. Trey Lance and Zach Wilson aren't QBs. The defense was fierce. If only Rodgers hadn't torn his achillies they'd have won 3 more games easily. Easily. Jets were winning games with less than 100 passing yards and at least two interceptions. Robert Salah needs to get a HC job somewhere.
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To compare Herbert to Manning and Not Lamar is either purposefully or unconsciously stupid . Which one is Nick ?
Not over it? State your vax status.
This honestly makes me view Salah in a better light. Guy must have had it tough there.
How can a team ever build a winning culture with embarrassing teenagers running around making decisions 😂
Well as soon as they fired him the defense got worse, so that was also an implication
@@Thesquirtlegameryou can lol just look at the Cowboys
@@samuelgaona7196 I tried to tell Jets fan Robert was holding that team together
@@BSO111968 exactly, he may not have been a great head coach, but given the circumstances in New York, I don't know who could be a good head coach for the Jets
Aaron Rogers NOT being the biggest problem is the best twist yet in my favorite drama this year: the New York Jets. What's next?!?!
It’s weird, when you look at the successful teams they have a clear established hierarchy Why do the bad teams not follow the molds. It’s like theses guys forget their business acumen the moment they become NFL owners
Aaron is the biggest problem they believe there a SB team with him
@@anthonyslazas6413 worse QB’s have won them
@@anthonyslazas6413shut up Ryan
@@christopherhaynes8101 Narcissism
Russini always doing the Lord’s work
Love her ❤
@@warriorjennings5115Russini is great but not as great as Sister Friede or Malenia.
Who is that?
😂😂😂Brou “the one that’s 19 is fair game “ I’m dead
Brou Kelly 😂
The jets would hit rock bottom, hit bedrock & mine through it to show another lvl of ineptitude
I heard they dug so deep the pressure instantly created diamonds out of everything they dug up. Impressive
@@TheOGGrandpaand yet, they didn't collect or cash in any of them
I really can't believe some Jets fans now want to run this team back lol. What respectable coach is going to want to have their season be 'Aaron & Friends' for their first season?
And meet the Browns 😂
Fam you good?
With respect to Brou and KW's comment on Carolina, Tepper has stepped back this season in Carolina. Granted they havent won many games but they are headed in the right direction.
Can we acknowledge Rivers played that entire AFC Championship game on a torn ACL?
I still feel like he doesn't get the mad credit he should for that... crazy
Super underrated player dude was a baller
say what u want about him cant say he didnt compete
2008 !
Sure...and????
In case anyone was wondering, Nicks claim that Lamar didn’t play well against Kansas City because he had his second lowest passer rating of the year is a lie.
It wasn’t his second lowest passer rating of the year.
His passer rating in that game was 90.8
Mahomes passer rating for the season is 91.
He literally lies when he talks about Lamar. He was saying Lame played horribly against KC for most of the season until Brou started to push back
Technically, it was Lamar's 3rd worst passer rating, not the 2nd. But that's as much of a compliment as it is a criticism.
Nick is paid to troll for clicks and comments.
It’s nasty how they lie publicly and these guys suppose to be credible
He's a liberal. Of course he's lying
And to think this guy was a US ambassador
Yeah I mean the bar is pretty low for anyone that’s apart of our political system lol
You can be a good employee and a bad business owner. The two are not mutually exclusive
@@aximus11 It gets lower when it's by appointment and not promotion from within lmao.
Lol probably basing talks on which countries are strongest in Civilization 6
Why do you act like our political system has a high bar 😂
I legitimately don’t understand how *this* is the Justin Herbert conversation when Brandon Staley was almost constantly ridiculed on this *and* they’re rebuilding with no skill position players of note outside of Ladd
He has a top 5 defense, he's never going to have the perfect team especially now that he's being paid like a superhero
It'll get a little better, but if he's one of those guys he's gotta start making some noise
Name the modern day top qb that has the perfect team? Especially once they pay him big money? You're going to have to compensate for the things the team is missing in order to win big.
He literally has Lamar Jackson’s setup prior to Derek Henry arriving. A Harbaugh at HC. Literally Lamar’s OC and RBs. One pretty good receiver another 1st round pick at receiver that hasn’t panned out and a top 5 defense. Let’s simply hold him to the standard and expectations that Lamar had.
What would Mahomes record be with Anthony Lynn and Brandon Staley as a head coach? And what would Herbert’s be with Andy Reid? I think Mahomes is the best in the game. But this Herbert slander by this panel on a regular basis is ridiculous. He’s for sure top 5 QB if not top 3 behind Mahomes and Allen. He has arguably the worst interior offensive line and no weapons outside of McConkey. His stats are similar to Mahomes’ who also is working with less talented weapons than in the past. Stop the hate.
@@KyChargersFan21 no one hates on the Chargers. You're not that important to football history to receive hate. Indifference? Sure!
2:06 Brou said Buc all that, he grown!
Everything that Nick Wrong criticizes Justin Herbert for can be said about Matt Stafford. He's below .500 in his career and has thrown for a ton of yards and touchdowns because he's always playing from behind. Matt Stafford didn't win his first playoff game till year 13. But Nick Wrong says Matt Stafford is elite.
Absolutely on point
He criticized Herbert for not having done anything “A+” worthy in the regular season.. yet Herbert has had the best start to a career stats wise.. people hate on Herbert for not winning games.. but they are so quick to make every excuse for burrow this year for having a bad defense.. like Herbert didn’t deal with that his whole career..
They talked about bad owners as if the chargers haven’t been the cheapest organization. They have had bad ownership for years. The reason they left SD is the owner wanted the city to pay for the stadium.. trade Herbert to a championship proven organization and you’ll see the difference.. harbaugh might be able to save Herbert. If not herbert will be another stafford.
He literally likes Herbert but his point is he has to win something important eventually
Yeah I don’t get that. Herbert and Stafford are extremely similar to start their career.
Seems as though everybody forgets the Chargers made the SB in the 90s with Stan the man Humphries and Marty Schottenhimer as the helm
Schottenheimer wasn't the coach. Bobby Ross was the coach in 94. Marty was coaching the Chiefs at the time. The Chargers fired Marty after a 14-2 season though. (Later)
lol chargers. Lotta history, not much to show for it 😅
These jets might be the worst Championship pushes of all time across all four sports
Brooklyn Nets
@@alexanderdumas-not even remotely close. The Brooklyn Nets made the conference finals… Jets won’t even make the playoffs.
@@alexanderdumas-Nets made it to the playoffs
@@EllieVellithey made the semi finals
@@cashoutdenzicey1293 you’re right, my memory was slightly off. But that’s still enough to prove my point
Bad owners destroy teams. The later years of Al Davis, last few years of Jerry Jones, and now the Jets owner.
3 coaches in 5 years for Herbert. Are we going to forget the clown show Staley was running there? Also whos his number 1 receiver? McConkey shows promise but even he dropped critical passes......its the organization
“Once he’s 19, he’s fair game” is a wild statement to make Brou 😂😂😂
I wonder how Nick is gonna find a way to talk trash about Herbert after that win tonight, even though he legitimately did everything Nick asked for lol
4:20 Brou casually flexing about LeBron
Brou better be careful or he’s gonna start getting accused of being a party goer
Haha
Who's here after Herbert's masterclass tonight?
Herbert is my QB
If Herbert was having the career lamar or even dak has the media would call him a future hall of famer...he never gets smoke despite playing in 1 playoff game and lost it to another bumbass qb in Trevor Lawrence
Who says Lamar isn’t a future HoFer?
Lamar is going to be a hall of famer though
Including Dak with Lamar was very sneaky and don't think we wouldn't notice lol - Maybe Dak and Baker ..but don't couple Dak with Lamar they are in a complete different type of Convo 1 is a 2x MVP and one of the most electric players ever and one is a average QB just so happens to be at the most covered sports team
I don't think Herbert or Lawrence are bad but you're 100% right that he's teflon to any media hate.
I know exactly what you mean. Dak is the perfect example.
If you actually WATCH the games. The Ravens are the problem as a team not just Lamar playing bad. Last year the recovers dropped 7 passes the most in a game that year and this year Henry turned over the ball on the first play of the game and Tucker went 1-4 in fg’s including his missed extra point. No QB is good enough to overcome something like that they as a team need to do better.
And people want to give josh allen the mvp because "lamar has a better supporting cast"😂
Mahomes was
@@jgmusic_does Josh Allen have another mvp on his team? No. People were saying Henry was the mvp which means they have another great player on the team
@@jgmusic_ Lamar does have a better supporting cast. Lamar also doesn’t perform when it matters.
Also Hill got the ball taken from him on his way to the ground, which counted as an interception.
I think Marcus Mariota deserves another shot.
He sure diced up the panthers
He too mid
Bro thinks a good game against the crushed tomato can panthers is impressive 😂
@@Peekaboo6969Marcus mariota is probably the best back up in the league. He deserves a second shot like darnold has had in a competent system. Trash on the panthers as a bad opponent all you want, fact remains he threw multiple touchdowns in relief and that game helped them secure a playoff spot.
I love “Dusty….the graphic.” I’ve been using that in arguments at work, and it’s eqully effective but for different reasons.
Justin Herbert at this point of his career is just childless Philip Rivers.
Both overrated!
@@newagain9964lmao okay
It’s almost like simply being a billionaire doesn’t make you smart or good at everything. 😱
And he inherited the fortune. The guy didn't even earn his money.
@@jackharrist8180don’t be pretty😂
Bro is stating a fact. Seems you are being the petty one?@@christopherhaynes8101
I petition for Wildes weird and wonderful being put in video format on this channel since it’s not available on the full show clip.
Nick: "im not a quarterback wins guy."
also nick: "mahomes hasnt been the best quarterback this season, but he has the most wins!"
The Steelers take the division if they win on Saturday. If that’s not “must win” for the ravens, I have no idea what is.
And AFC WC seating is tight. Can’t afford to slip up.
You guys are the STANDARD on the air. Brou will pick the Jets next season lol..
“Dusty the graphic” is becoming iconic. I may start using it completely out of a sports context lol.
KW is a national treasure
I think I'm the lone person who finds him annoying
@@diehardeaglesfansince1994more than anyone else on the show? More than Nick?!?!?
@@diehardeaglesfansince1994atleast you acknowledge youre alone lol
@@diehardeaglesfansince1994 naa i can't stand it. He has no business on any football talk show.
We’d rather ship the Jets to Toronto on a leaky rowboat than have Belichick as our coach. Yes, it’s a losing attitude, but it’s OUR losing attitude
😂
This mf made a graphic of Lamar vs KC PITT and the PLAYOFFS. The other side Lamar vs everyone else??? Bro make the corniest targeted statlines of all time
How is it targeted. It’s the playoffs, the best team, and their best divisional opponent. All relevant comparisons
@@TheCephalonits HILARIOUSLY cherry picked.
@@OGSVNit's OBVIOUSLY showing you when it matters vs when it don't. That's basic football talk not even close to cherry picked
@@MikkiChavez if the argument was just playoffs, sure. regular season games vs the steelers and chiefs are no different in magnitude than regular season games vs the bengals and bills.
@OGSVN dude, he Can't beat Chiefs or Steelers. They're showing a pattern for you casuals to understand the problem is his or his teams play vs such teams. Like wtf
Wildes is SO BACK 😂🙌
Brou's tie told me all i need to know about his future jets opinions 😂
This is the best sports show... Period
Rex Ryan is begging for the worst job in the NFL 😂
Okay is it me but do Nick and Wildes never call out Ludwig the Accursed for having a garbage phase 1?
why do they always cut the videos before the end of the segment? they can't add the extra 30 seconds?
Ravens need to win the division. Doesn’t matter what Lamar does, just win.
And to come back from so far behind to win DIV will strengthen his case for MVP. Now, he just needs his supporting cast to do their jobs.
Justin Herbert has now, the worst pass blocking interior, no “promised” run game, a terrorist at OC, and 1 receiving weapon. Let me know a QB in the NFL who has less on the OFFENSIVE side of the ball.
Russell Wilson / Justin Fields
We’re going on 5 years of excuses at this rate…
Same excuses every year for Herbert. Bo Nix is already better than him.
Justin Herbert is garbage can 🗑️🚮
He had Ekeler Williams and Allen entering the league and couldn’t even win a playoff game 🤷♂️ Lamar has done way more than him w way less
Nick gives all other QBs grace regarding changes in OC, but not Herbert because he is in his division and has had a better statistical start than his savior
Brou says were are the Bengals in the Lamar stats. I would also like to see the numbers with Lamar vs the Bills (overall) as well. Bet it's bad outside earlier this year
I really enjoyed this debate about Lamar. I feel like both Nick and Brou made great points and bias didn't play a huge role in the stances they took
19:42 Explain how a guy can have that kind of start to a career but it doesn't equal wins? Coaching, O-line, defense, etc. have all been serious issues until this year and it's only Harbaugh's first season. Have to look at the context. Look at Joe Burrow this season; amazing stats, team isn't good.
Actually it’s pretty common. There’s a gap between willing a team to win talent and great quarterback talent. There’s only a few guys that can drag their teams. Herbert needs more help to unlock his talent and always needed better coaching
@ I'm not denying that a QB plays a very big role in a team being able to win. If you took Mahomes off the Chiefs, they'd really struggle. If you took Lamar off the Ravens, they'd struggle as well. I just think there are some QB's that are undeniably very talented, but have had more inconsistent coaching, defense, overall team structure etc. than others. I don't think it's as simple as "well he doesn't win games." Again, look at the records Herbert is setting/on pace to set. If he was putting up those same numbers/records but had Andy Reid, Travis Kelce, and Tyreek Hill all in their primes you'd have virtually the same results. I'm not saying he's as good as Mahomes, because Pat has earned everything he's achieved, but I don't think Pat's the only QB capable of achieving what he has with those weapons/coaching.
Herbert is having a Stafford in Detroit arc, except he's had far more talent at every level and currently has better coaching
@@halwa9528 The Lions are definitely more dysfunctional I'll give you that one 🤣 but man Stafford had Calvin Johnson.
wtf are these bums talking about , did they forget Herbert had Staley for 3 years and this was a rebuild year. Gotta start winning games when it’s the first year of Harbaugh , without any weapons, a run game and an interior line . Not to mention one of the worst OC’s in the league .
And they are so quick to make excuses for burrow for having one of the worst defenses.. like Herbert didn’t have the worst defense, special teams and o line for years.. he had good weapons, which is why he was able to shine through all that l.. imagine this offense with staley and that defense. Top 10 pick team forsure
herbert needs to start winning playoff games or he will be officially overrated
He’ll fall into the Jalen Hurts tier
Dudes been overrated
@@christiansalt8079Jalen hurts wins playoffs games
Bruh. Herbert been overrated. He took over playoff team and dint do nothing…Except get multiple coaches fired. 😂
took over steam that was 5-11 fs buddy
Not a Herbert fan definitely a Civilian BUT Im not blaming that 27 point lead playoff game in any way on him you lose like that it’s DEFINITELY your Defenses fault
He didn’t help stop the bleeding either
Rich kid problems is crazy
You mean all of the segments this year where Nick was blasting Rodgers and blaming him for everything that happened with the Jets all year, despite the fact that he had zero evidence, ended up being a bunch of nonsense?
What a shock.
Not considering the bengals a big time matchup for Lamar is actually insane 🤦🏽♂️ that’s two of the top 5 QB’s matching up twice a year, Nick is crazy for that
So what if he goes off and win against the Steelers. Whats the narrative gone be? Or does it only work when he loses?
Nick will move the goalposts as he always does. Nothing will change for the time being tbh
Anyone that would say lebron is anywhere near as good as Jordan cannot be taken serious on anything sports related.
Lebron is way better, pipe down boomer
You are an absolute fool. LeBron is the most overrated player in NBA history, he’s not even top 15, lol.
So the 5000 yard season isn't an A season? None of these guys watch charger games, and it's obvious.
No.
Wasn’t this supposed to be a rebuild year for the Chargers? Whole coaching staff and gm got changed. Offense got completely retooled and blasted. Defense is better, but still rebuilding and first year with Harbaugh. Y’all call it excuses, but literally just straight facts lol
It's not a must win for Justin Herbert, it's a guaranteed win.
Rodgers and Mahomes numbers are crazy similar and he’s doing it on the worst franchise is sports
The way Nick talks about Purdy should he how he talks about Herbert. Herbert doesn't lift the talent around him.
*more owners should call their players trash*
Who's here after the Ravens whooped the Steelers by 17?
Here’s a reminder that Broussard was the one who interviewed Paul Pierce after he hit that game winner on the elbow for the wizards
Week 1 lamar had a better game than mahomes. Also, allQB numbers were down the first two weeks but coming out of week 1 Lamar had the 3rd best game of any QB and it was in a loss
Brou claiming that he basically started the narrative that jerry jones is the problem is the most brou thing ever…
DUH jerry jones interferes too much everyone knows that
Chris bringing up the chargers history of never winning the big game is scary for me I ain’t gonna lie. Hopefully Herbert can change the tide 😬
What will Nick say today?😂😂
Probably something accurate. Nick is usually right so he will probably say Bloodborne is overrated
@@JustinTaylor-y9fHow dare you
That’s the title of the show
@@JustinTaylor-y9fbro… lmao
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Nick has to crush every great player that is any threat to his favorites. It’s the flaw in his analysis. He gives great opinions on just about everything except anyone that has any level of threat to his favorites. Nick Bayless and it will only get worse
Spot on take
chargers do not have #1 scoring defense. broncos, chargers and eagles are tied. they have all allowed the same amount of points
This is the NOT a Must-Win for Justin Herbert. This is a Must-Not-Get-Injured!
Justin Hebert been mid and can continue being mid and his Stans will still judge him based on his potential they saw his rookie year. They can blame coaching now. They are out of excuse
Lol you’re probably a dolphins fan who is upset your team took Tua 😂 Justin Hebert has an awful interior Oline, the worst skill position group in the NFL (WR, TE, RB) and don’t take my word for it. The nfl ranked skill position talent before the 2024 season and had the chargers at 32 out of 32. Jim Harbaugh is great but Greg Roman had people saying Lamar can’t pass 😂 Kurt Warner had a beautiful breakdown of how bad Greg Roman’s passing plays are. You’re just a hater and Herbert is the 2nd highest graded deep ball passer this year
Dude has absolutely no weapons 😂😂
@@AscendARI have noticed Dolphins fans really hate Herbert.
You must not follow the Chargers.
There are others. But they REALLY hate him. You can say hes overrated. I've seen Dolphins fans say he shouldn't be a starter in the NFL. Which is lunacy.
Can't get enough of Nick, Brou, and Wilde's. Hmu bros, I have the secret you will not believe
If you're fighting with Ryan Clark, you are certainly right.
Man do I love my Steelers ownership for the last 60 years 💯
So basically the jets have an incredibly good QB talent evaluation room.
Jets are actually a forward thinking franchise.... everyone wants to get younger in the NFL, so why not turn over roster decisions to a 17 year old named Brick? it's the next logical step 😅
I do not wait to hear the chargers came out and showed the world how good they are. Same yards basically as the rookie and he had a pick.
As a Dolfan this season has been AMAZING... KEEP GOING jets 🍿🍻🤣
Someone should absolutely offer the Broncos a 6th round pick and kick the tires on Wilson. But I felt his lack of success was more of a product of the Jets than his issues before this article.
You can tell instantly who knows what they're talking about with regards to QBs based solely on their Herbert take and Nick is not coming out of this well
i'll be shocked if the ravens win the nfl script has got to have pitt as the 3 seed and denver ( russ wilson) as the 6 seed for a 1st round match up
Cant have a conversation about the Jets without talking the Cowboys and or LeBron. 🤦🏽♂️
brou
“it will get that much more louder” 😂
WILDES and his Zach WIlson/Mac Jones takes...smh let em go lmao
Jets being the Jets. I'm so sorry for the NY Jets fan base.
How many quarterbacks in the history of the NFL has put up the numbers that Herbert did with a defensive head coach? Someone please tell me...
Great ones
Sports media loves to trash Herbert. Dude continues to set records while dealing with more issues than any other starting QB for last 4-5 years. Has any other QB had as many head coach or OC changes. He been through about 4 offensive system changes in that time as well as this year who does he have to throw the ball to? Have feel bad for a top 5 talented QB where everything seems to be against him
Brou says no one believes him that Jerry is the biggest problem in Dallas like any cowboys fan doesn't 1000% agree.
They have 0 weapons. Give him some of the weapons “elite QBs” have and they see what happens. That’s why Herbert’s stats are down. But he did win today. Lmao.
In this context, only Nick would say it’s more important for Lamar to play well than for them to win.
I mean how is he wrong. He’s never had a great game against the Steelers and always struggles with 1-9 record against them. Him balling out would be a positive first step over an ugly win where he plays terrible
@ would you rather play on the road in the first round or at home? It’s a dumb take. A win gets them closer to the division title
I’m very confident with people’s takes with Herbert career “not being up to what it should be” and pinning on him fully believe:
- Lynn and Staley are Super Bowl winning capable head coaches, despite no one else believing them to be anything more then an assistant, and have made terrible calls that cost the Chargers games (definitely Staley).
- The rest of the team hasn’t been fully committed in previous years to playing at their best (proof there is how the team played with Stick last season after they sacked Staley).
- That playing with these scraps on offense, where even these 3 same “sports analysts” talk down on the receiving core, is also a Super Bowl-capable offense that Herbert is letting down, despite all but 1 WR being actually capable of constantly catching, when the OC calls for constant running plays with a terrible RB room, and the only capable TE is Smartt.
Any QB with a bad offense is either vying for the best draft pick they can, or you’re lying to yourself and everyone else, because that offense is actually decent. Mahomes nor Brady couldn’t do anything better with this offense, with that stupid run first scheme.
Nick forced that graphic of Lamar its low key disgusting how he does it
Matt Stafford is the perfect example in Why wins for a quarterback are the best stat because that guy threw four like 50,000 yd while he was a lion and nobody gave him any credit for being a good quarterback until he started winning in La
Love Goff but still miss Stafford.
This comment makes little sense. Wins in football do not fall on any single player
So it wasnt Rodgers this whole time? It was a 17 year old kid and his geriatric dad. What a time to be alive.
Rodgers lives rent free in nicks head. It's wild.
As a chargers fan yes it’s a must win cannot lose to Bo nix
Nick I appreciate your work. I know your a Lamar fan you simply want him to have a SB win . You are the only objective, even if sometimes reaching to do so, person in media feeding the flame. Ive been a fan since watching you wax on my guy in 2019. My ravens win from hate not love.and Brou my ravens will revenge tour the playoffs to a superbowl. Get your sandwiches, chips soda and robes ready. Wildes you have surprisingly high amounts of street cred. You're our guy
There's only 32 of those jobs no matter how bad it sucks it still pays and no coach is going to turn it down
If Robert Salah did not have a say in drafing Zach Wilson, he goes from being a bad coach to a very good head coach. They won 7 games with Wilson. Trey Lance and Zach Wilson aren't QBs. The defense was fierce. If only Rodgers hadn't torn his achillies they'd have won 3 more games easily. Easily. Jets were winning games with less than 100 passing yards and at least two interceptions. Robert Salah needs to get a HC job somewhere.
Nick loves to rewrite history to fit his narratives