This is awesome - I've been searching the internet for examples of the sketches mentioned in that article. Also wish we could hear/see the sketch for the Presto and there is mention of a 2 bar sketch in B-minor for an Adagio planned for the eighth symphony originally in the wikipedia page for it, which I'd love to try to track down. Nice work orchestrating the sketch so we can all take a listen!
I love especially the melodic Trio theme! How beautiful! Can you please tell me: what do the blue numbers 1, 3 ,6, 10, 12 at the main page ( pnr 5) mean? Does this trefer to repetitions of this main passage at certain points? I like also your passage from 6:10 - 7:30, but I can't find this in the sketches - is this from you or to what part of the sketches does this belong?
Sorry for late reply. Susan Filler (1984) says this Scherzo is Trio but I think it's wrong. Maybe Mahler originally planed Trio style but I believe he changed it to more complex stracture. But I think he decided it after he already finished writing this sketch, so he simply showed his plan by blue numbers. (I don't know Mahler used these numbers in other sketches because I'm not a music scholar about Mahler, but if I think it as a composer, it's a common way to use numbers before I compose completed version from sketches. I've also used this kind of numbers for skeches of my own works.) And, about 6:10 - 7:30, it's start from most down side of 11th page of pdf (with blue number "4") and it connects to 13th page (with blue number "5"). If I'm Mahler himself, I will repeat this part because this part is (as you mentioned already) most impressed passage in this piece, but in Mahler's order, he didn't write numbers again for this passage, so I didn't repeat this part.
@@reit4879 Thank you! When I said "beautiful Trio" theme I meant the melodic Ab-Major middle section - what a great tune!. I am right now also trying to work out these awesome sketches ( I hope this is OK with you). I am very exited!!! What tool did you use to create the sound? I use Noteperformer...
This is really amazing! Thank you for bringing this up to our attention! I will also try to do a realisation of these sketches (have done this with various Beethoven and Mendelssohn sketches) ...
(Though no one permits it but) i want to be a composer, not a music scholar. I made this movie because i wanted to listen to Mahler’s hidden piece as one of “Mahlerian”… i started composing my own works after getting to know symphonies of Mahler.
Seems like unfortunately Mahler left more unfinished music, this is another proof of such. If Mahler were living for more, who knows how many else interesting works he would be created as he was living a very changing age.
Here I'd like to present my own version of this awesome Mahler draft: ruclips.net/video/DbMBdo8odVU/видео.htmlsi=5iqb0gYT-nxWFYPt - Again, thank you so much rei, for discovering this gem for us !
This is awesome - I've been searching the internet for examples of the sketches mentioned in that article. Also wish we could hear/see the sketch for the Presto and there is mention of a 2 bar sketch in B-minor for an Adagio planned for the eighth symphony originally in the wikipedia page for it, which I'd love to try to track down. Nice work orchestrating the sketch so we can all take a listen!
Hi, Brent, you may also like to listen to my version of this great Mahler Scherzo: ruclips.net/video/DbMBdo8odVU/видео.html
I love especially the melodic Trio theme! How beautiful!
Can you please tell me: what do the blue numbers 1, 3 ,6, 10, 12 at the main page ( pnr 5) mean? Does this trefer to repetitions of this main passage at certain points?
I like also your passage from 6:10 - 7:30, but I can't find this in the sketches - is this from you or to what part of the sketches does this belong?
Sorry for late reply. Susan Filler (1984) says this Scherzo is Trio but I think it's wrong. Maybe Mahler originally planed Trio style but I believe he changed it to more complex stracture. But I think he decided it after he already finished writing this sketch, so he simply showed his plan by blue numbers. (I don't know Mahler used these numbers in other sketches because I'm not a music scholar about Mahler, but if I think it as a composer, it's a common way to use numbers before I compose completed version from sketches. I've also used this kind of numbers for skeches of my own works.)
And, about 6:10 - 7:30, it's start from most down side of 11th page of pdf (with blue number "4") and it connects to 13th page (with blue number "5"). If I'm Mahler himself, I will repeat this part because this part is (as you mentioned already) most impressed passage in this piece, but in Mahler's order, he didn't write numbers again for this passage, so I didn't repeat this part.
@@reit4879 Thank you! When I said "beautiful Trio" theme I meant the melodic Ab-Major middle section - what a great tune!. I am right now also trying to work out these awesome sketches ( I hope this is OK with you). I am very exited!!! What tool did you use to create the sound? I use Noteperformer...
This is really amazing! Thank you for bringing this up to our attention! I will also try to do a realisation of these sketches (have done this with various Beethoven and Mendelssohn sketches) ...
(Though no one permits it but) i want to be a composer, not a music scholar. I made this movie because i wanted to listen to Mahler’s hidden piece as one of “Mahlerian”… i started composing my own works after getting to know symphonies of Mahler.
@@reit4879 wonderful! Which MusicTool do you use? I use Noteperformer which is a huge help for me ...
Seems like unfortunately Mahler left more unfinished music, this is another proof of such. If Mahler were living for more, who knows how many else interesting works he would be created as he was living a very changing age.
Here I'd like to present my own version of this awesome Mahler draft: ruclips.net/video/DbMBdo8odVU/видео.htmlsi=5iqb0gYT-nxWFYPt - Again, thank you so much rei, for discovering this gem for us !