How To Shorten Your Disc Brake Hoses | Mountain Bike Maintenance

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  •  4 года назад +23

    This is a great, concise but still, detailed tutorial! It took me 6 minutes to watch it, then 5 minutes to prepare the tools and 10 minutes to fix both brakes. Thank you!

  • @sparky2171
    @sparky2171 5 лет назад +23

    That was an excellent video. You got right to it, you didn't spend fifteen minutes talking about what you were about to do. You didn't get dressed in level 4 MOP gear and perform the work in a radiation hot-box like a lot of the other vids. It's mineral oil... Probably falls on the danger scale somewhere between baby oil and WD-40.

  • @JoLe1991
    @JoLe1991 2 года назад +3

    When inserting the barb it's important to "stretch" out the hose a bit with a pick. I've had a couple of cases where the barb would shave away some hose material and jam up the hole. Once the brake lever returned slowly into position after braking, the other time I wasn't even able to push oil through the system. Rounding off the end of the barb with some sandpaper prevented the damage to the hose.

  • @LP-cs6zg
    @LP-cs6zg 3 года назад +4

    Transitioning from mech brakes to hydraulic I needed I bit of guidance and this video (unlike others) has been very helpful! I shortened the hoses and swapped rear/front as well, because the brakes came wrong from the shop. Also had to make the 'Shimano yellow tool' out of two pieces of wood because it did not come with my BR-MT500 brakes. I suggest to slide in the olive before tapping the insert and best using a small hammer wrapped with tape so not to damage the surface.

  • @Camberwell86
    @Camberwell86 3 года назад +2

    My tip is this... I did it twice and the first time I followed the instructions to the letter, the second time I had a brainwave and instead of mashing up the hose with snips and squishing it round again with pliers I simply put the hose against a hard surface and used a Stanley knife with a fresh blade to cut it in a gentle sawing motion... super clean cut and the hose stayed perfectly round ☺

    • @alex_mcclay
      @alex_mcclay 10 месяцев назад

      That's a good idea. There are proper brake hose cutting tools where the cutter looks more like a stanley knife blade and which similarly don't squash the hose. You're not *really* supposed to use snips or cable cutters like Neil does in this video but mostly it turns out ok regardless.

  • @charlieseymour3403
    @charlieseymour3403 9 лет назад +9

    Thanks for making the best RUclips channel out there. My skills on the trails have improved dramatically since I became a gmbn enthusiast

    • @gmbn
      @gmbn  9 лет назад +2

      +Charlie Seymour We are so stoked to hear this! Keep it up :)

  • @johnnygunz2300
    @johnnygunz2300 6 лет назад +36

    Sweet vid..... Takes the fear out of messing with hydraulics.

  • @Rollingspoke
    @Rollingspoke 7 лет назад +8

    Super tutorial. Clear and concise, and it's nice to see high quality camera work. Thanks!

  • @tbone25
    @tbone25 6 лет назад +1

    Great tips! Especially the yellow plastic "tools" in the box. Just shortened my hoses. Worked perfectly. Job was done in 15 min. Thanks Neil.

  • @NonLegitNation2
    @NonLegitNation2 2 года назад +1

    Wow, this looks extremely easy. I almost took my bike to the local bike shop to have them do it and pay them $35.00. Now it will only cost me $15.00 for the brake fluid and bleed cup on amazon. Thanks, I'm gonna shorten my newly installed brakes cables tomorrow.

  • @ruelapas6240
    @ruelapas6240 3 года назад +1

    Still a lot of help for a 5 years old video. Thank. 🇵🇭

  • @adamsmith1688
    @adamsmith1688 2 года назад +1

    Love the video very helpful and so glad you showed how to do it without buying a 80 dollar tool like the Shimano TL-BH62

  • @SeanLeach
    @SeanLeach 4 года назад +1

    Just shortened my brake hose following these instructions. Went off without a hitch. Thanks GMBN!

  • @dimensionsofearth
    @dimensionsofearth 8 лет назад +12

    Never use a metal tool to tap in the barbed fitting/hose insert this can mark the surface of the fitting and cause issues getting a proper seal, always use a plastic tool like the handle of a screwdriver or a small plastic mallet.

    • @rkan2
      @rkan2 6 лет назад +1

      DimensionsOfEarth Not necessarily plasti, but just something softer. Brass should work for example..

  • @kwennemar
    @kwennemar 2 года назад

    Neil as the tech guy! Still relevant today. Thanks as always GMBN!

  • @bryanbolivar9724
    @bryanbolivar9724 4 года назад +1

    This video was very helpful to me today. New brakes installed and ready to ride. Thanks GMBN.

  • @chrisl.6158
    @chrisl.6158 6 лет назад

    Just got new disc brakes for my bike. And although there are many instructional videos on youtube I always go straight to GMBN! :-)

  • @tonyboughman8050
    @tonyboughman8050 4 года назад +1

    Thank you Neil! You just talked me through a successful job of hose shortening!

  • @jasoncross6151
    @jasoncross6151 9 лет назад +13

    Think I would of put the olive on before the barb but that might not be required for Shimano. Also worth mentioning you don't want to over tighten the shroud as if you strip that thread you have screwed the lever. Good clear vid for beginners as there is nothing more annoying that flappy hoses 👌🏼🤓

  • @darrellid
    @darrellid 5 месяцев назад

    This is an excellent video. Short, succinct but accurately and extremely helpful. Thank you.

  • @leebridgwater
    @leebridgwater 8 лет назад +1

    cheers Neil, I've just upgraded brakes front and rear and this video was perfect.

  • @doslar
    @doslar 5 лет назад

    unreal. detailed but not dragged out. perfect.

  • @ROBINAXE5150
    @ROBINAXE5150 2 года назад

    Thanx Neil, made me feel a bit more comfortable doing it myself...and that's it all done and good to go. You are awesome!!

  • @rvski593
    @rvski593 4 года назад +1

    JESUS CHRIST THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!!I just got my shimano mt200 brakes and the cable was way longer than the original on my 26" bike.Thank you so much for this video!!!

  • @kevinmartini7418
    @kevinmartini7418 2 года назад

    Great video. I hadn't trimmed a hose in a few years and was worried I forgot something. Straight forward & good information. Cheers!

  • @MarzNet256
    @MarzNet256 9 лет назад +1

    You can also use a really sharp utility knife to cut the hose. Lay hose down on a piece of wood to cut and be careful to cut it as square as possible.

  • @frissenm
    @frissenm 9 лет назад +1

    Excellent video, just got a pair of new hydraulic brakes, this vid was just what I needed to swap them out with the ole mechanicals!

  • @DougZ73
    @DougZ73 5 лет назад +1

    Spot on video. I had to do this exact process, with a new Shimano XT rear brake system. I really appreciate this video.

    • @redbul3335
      @redbul3335 4 года назад

      DougZ73 did you have to bleed the whole brake system or just whay this video showed?

  • @danehardinge8801
    @danehardinge8801 3 года назад

    concise and very precise. I have bled my brake repeatedly but air keeps coming back into the system. Time for a new hose. Damaged by Swiss Air along with loads of other bits that were deliberately scraped along a road and also dented. Avoid them.

  • @stroudnick
    @stroudnick 4 года назад

    Wow i've been doing it this way for years and just found the TL-BH62 ... Life changer!

  • @siriusgaming7238
    @siriusgaming7238 Год назад

    Loved it. For some reason the hose on my girlfriends bike was a lot longer than mine and kept being pulled around by the fork. Definitely want to shorten that up. Only downside there's a few purchases to be made. Good to have these things on hand though.

  • @RaymondIlano
    @RaymondIlano 5 лет назад +1

    Excellent instructional Neil! Thanks for this! I love the channel and absolutely love you blokes!

  • @andreasb.769
    @andreasb.769 5 лет назад +1

    A side cutter as being used here will squash the cable ending the way it actually ends up being seen at 2:20.
    Shimano therefore recommends to use a utility knife; I used a scalpel which is very sharp and will give the best clean and straight 90º edge without squashing the cable. Next add a small amount of grease around the threads of the connecting bolt before screwing it back, ... makes life a bit easier!

  • @jimgrieve72
    @jimgrieve72 7 лет назад +1

    Great video - easy to follow, and perfect results shortening the hoses; thank you!

  • @BudoDave76
    @BudoDave76 6 лет назад +1

    You guys are the best! Perfect and simple explanation.

  • @christopherkyhl4667
    @christopherkyhl4667 5 лет назад +1

    Great video. Made my life so much easier today.

  • @justinf6758
    @justinf6758 9 лет назад +72

    Do a video for a diy bike stand! Copy and past if you agree!

  • @WhiteEagle7895
    @WhiteEagle7895 8 лет назад +26

    Can I use the mineral oil that comes out of the hose near the olive as olive oil for cooking ?

    • @4ndyr0g3r50n
      @4ndyr0g3r50n 6 лет назад +9

      Yes. As a laxative.

    • @johnthegodfatherslack
      @johnthegodfatherslack 6 лет назад +1

      @@4ndyr0g3r50n lmfao 👍🏼👍🏼

    • @wordreet
      @wordreet 5 лет назад

      socar128
      Heh, "Animal, vegetable, mineral". One of those three is what us humans should eat. 😉

  • @KennyMinigun
    @KennyMinigun 8 лет назад +6

    Shimano recomends to apply some (premium) grease on the olive before tightening/crushing it down

    • @Edgarr1m
      @Edgarr1m 4 года назад

      Around the olive? Or in between those hose and the olive, so inside the olive

  • @moonte7933
    @moonte7933 8 лет назад

    best way i found to cut a shimano hydraulic hose(much better than what is shown in the video)...get box knife that has the short double tip replaceble blades and is foldable.....take the brake hose,mark the spot for the cut,hold it flat on the handle part where the blade goes and push it closed....perfect cuts with minimal effort....also works with a regular razor blade and a piece of wood and still makes nicer cuts than any pliers

  • @mattstubbington8805
    @mattstubbington8805 3 года назад

    Best how to i seen for this task! Proper job and there i was gonna take to bike shop for them to do it! Not now!!

  • @sachinchenglei3012
    @sachinchenglei3012 8 лет назад

    Dear GMBN team kindly upload more videos regarding Hardtails bikes seen lots of full suspension bikes

    • @gmbn
      @gmbn  8 лет назад +2

      We had a whole week devoted to hardtails! Check out the playlist: gmbn.eu/bs

  • @joross9308
    @joross9308 5 лет назад +1

    Great video as always guys, helped me fit my new brakes today thanks. 👍

  • @scottdavis2212
    @scottdavis2212 9 лет назад

    Great video. This is something I may have to do wrenching at PAT'S BIKE SHOP in BREWER, MAINE (shout out to the shop I work at). Seriously though, really practical and helpful to hear the steps explained and be able to see the job done at the same time.

  • @dep1001
    @dep1001 8 лет назад +1

    Great video, just trimmed my hoses by following this step by step. Easy and worked great! :-) Thanks

  • @RCalundann
    @RCalundann 9 лет назад

    You should also adjust the reach all the way out before bleeding! Also, if you have some sort of free stroke adjustment (like on the XTs), you may need to adjust that prior to bleeding as well.

  • @Rich_Trujillo
    @Rich_Trujillo 8 лет назад +1

    Thank you thank you...super clear and you made it easy to do. Just the info i needed. Thanks!

  • @OlTrailDog
    @OlTrailDog 5 лет назад

    Good clear instructions that I needed. Thanks.

  • @dudewheresmybeer
    @dudewheresmybeer 6 лет назад +25

    You left out a few extremely important steps. #1, take your pads and rotors (or wheels) off and place them in the next town over. #2 safety glasses and gloves, especially if you're using DOT fluid, that stuff can blind you. #3 use a razor cutter from acid, jagwire or even a box cutter as others have mentioned, this will leave a much cleaner cut. Especially since we are talking about a system under pressure that's designed to be air and fluid tight. #5 clean the piss out of EVERYTHING, DOT fluid is mega corrosive and will eat the paint right off of anything it touches, if you get mineral oil or dot fluid anywhere near your rotors or pads they're done. #6 drink a beer and think about the amazing job you've just done!

    • @djfunknuckle3375
      @djfunknuckle3375 5 лет назад +3

      shimano uses mineral oil.

    • @Edgarr1m
      @Edgarr1m 4 года назад

      dudewheresmybeer why exactly would you do step 1?

    • @dlevi67
      @dlevi67 4 года назад

      @@Edgarr1m See point 5.

    • @chancethin9250
      @chancethin9250 4 года назад +2

      I used your method and now I have no pads and rotors at all, I left them in the next town, what should I do?

    • @Senzeni
      @Senzeni 4 года назад

      @@chancethin9250 Ride there, skid, OTB and/or both to stop

  • @jesperhagberg345
    @jesperhagberg345 8 лет назад +34

    Do a video on how to extend hose

  • @moonte7933
    @moonte7933 8 лет назад

    bawwest way i found to cut a shimano hydraulic hose(much better than what is shown in the video)...get box knife that has the short double tip replaceble blades and is foldable.....take the brake hose,mark the spot for the cut,hold it flat on the handle part where the blade goes and push it closed....perfect cuts with minimal effort....also works with a regular razor blade and a piece of wood and still makes nicer cuts than any pliers

  • @silentmbbx439
    @silentmbbx439 9 лет назад

    Thanks I realy needed that just got a pare of new brakes cheers guys keep it up

  • @bigslacker666
    @bigslacker666 6 лет назад

    Thank you sir, great vid and I just did mine. Dunno why I was nervous about it, super easy.

  • @williamkeys5701
    @williamkeys5701 9 лет назад +15

    If your brakes use DOT fluid, wear some gloves when you do this. You can get away without gloves on Shimano as they use mineral oil.

    • @MarzNet256
      @MarzNet256 9 лет назад +1

      +William Keys Good call. I actually get a headache if I get DOT brake fluid on my skin. Weird.

    • @someguy9520
      @someguy9520 7 лет назад +1

      Hah, shimano brakes all the way. Though i admit sram guides sure work well

  • @FelipeLuizDickmann
    @FelipeLuizDickmann 9 лет назад

    ive never shortened a housing because i always think i can move that brake to the new bike. considering stock brakes are usually inferior brake

  • @robertbransby
    @robertbransby 8 лет назад

    that makes it look extremely easy! great vid

  • @dillwiggle2
    @dillwiggle2 7 лет назад

    Can you show how to do a Hayes brake with the combined barb/olive peice and the proper way to do it and recommended tool/method to insert it properly !!

  • @PPC4
    @PPC4 9 лет назад

    Darnit i did this recently and now my new Deore rear brake needs a bleed as air got in somehow But the front is fine.
    The official bleed process looks simple for these brakes though so gonna have a go unlike Avids that they replaced!

    • @PPC4
      @PPC4 9 лет назад +1

      +vaxbuster Didn't even need to bleed the brake just did what Neil did but hung the bike up from the front wheel first for a few days so that any air had got to the top popped in the bleed header thing poured in some fluid and repeatedly pulled the brake and tapped the caliper and hose and rotated the lever around a bit on top and hey presto solid brake again! Shimano why are you so good!

  • @brunodias6308
    @brunodias6308 6 лет назад

    thank you very much dude, it works perfectly on my Deore brakes

  • @gekkardboy
    @gekkardboy 6 лет назад

    Thanks Neil. Helping me to become a legit bike wrench in the eyes of the Mrs.

  • @SorinVBogdan
    @SorinVBogdan 6 лет назад

    Finally trying my hand at this, great video from Neil! :D

    • @gmbn
      @gmbn  6 лет назад

      Nice one!

  • @kaslobodzan
    @kaslobodzan 9 лет назад

    Very useful gonna do it tommorow

  • @Kejsh22
    @Kejsh22 2 года назад

    Thank you! This is a great video!

  • @hamishdurkie8380
    @hamishdurkie8380 9 лет назад

    Can you do a video where you film yourself doing an enduro and give us tips and a general idea of what the event is like and how much fitness you need

    • @gmbn
      @gmbn  9 лет назад

      Hi +Hamish Durkie,
      Great Idea watch this space and we will see what we can come up with!

  • @alanriddell833
    @alanriddell833 9 лет назад

    Suggestion for a video... I just went cycling in snow, how the **** are you supposed to clean frozen ice+mud off your bike?

    • @gmbn
      @gmbn  9 лет назад

      +Alan Riddell Like any part of riding in the cold and wet its just a bit harder than usual! Maybe use a bit of pressure, or warm water.
      Cheers!

    • @alanriddell833
      @alanriddell833 9 лет назад

      +Global Mountain Bike Network Was also made worse when I got home and tried to wash it off and found the garden hose had frozen. (No pressure washer at home) I knocked chunks of ice / mud off the bottom bracket and tried to use a hard nylon brush to get the worst of it off moving parts. (I was amazed the jockey wheels and cables were moving the amount of ice around them) Was tempted to get a bucket of warm water and try that but I think I got enough off with the brush. Then normal chain cleaning and I left the body of the bike muddy :)

  • @SuperJammur
    @SuperJammur 3 года назад

    Nice video, I wouldn't normally hit anything steel with steel, probably use a nylon hammer, also the original insert had an O ring fitted, the replacement did not, is this OK?

  • @eastwood111
    @eastwood111 4 года назад +1

    Great video thanks for the straight to the point instruction! Looks like now I have to buy a couple of parts so I can trim up these super long brake lines.

  • @eduflavianotv9776
    @eduflavianotv9776 2 года назад

    Can i still use the brass that I cut off or i need to buy a new 1? Thanks I hope I can an answer

  • @dylaneagleton3090
    @dylaneagleton3090 7 лет назад

    I have my brake levers setup so the right is flat and the left is pointed down more because I use the front for casual riding when ime sitting down and the left for going downhill and standing up

  • @kneedownpuppy
    @kneedownpuppy 9 лет назад

    Great video again! Will be doing this soon as my cockpit is a mess- would it be possible to do a video on 'how to take apart a raceface crank on a carbon bike, mines a cube stereo hpc, and i'm struggling to get the last nut/bolt out the crank, as would like to service my bearings. Please help! Apologies if this has been shown already.

    • @kneedownpuppy
      @kneedownpuppy 9 лет назад

      Hi, its ok I've finally managed it. Didn't realise i had to use a lot more force than expected, 50nm is damn tight haha.

  • @autoctonology
    @autoctonology 6 лет назад

    Sorted!
    Cheers Neil

  • @benjameng9475
    @benjameng9475 3 года назад

    Thanks! worked great

  • @jacobbockover1628
    @jacobbockover1628 4 года назад

    I have my first hydrolic disks on my bike im unsure how rough they are like is my rack gonna damage the hoses or do i need to be carefull. Tighing my cables together

  • @Boxbeat666
    @Boxbeat666 5 лет назад +1

    I was told to use fresh fluid every time because it starts absorbing water as soon as u open it

    • @Anonymouseys
      @Anonymouseys 5 лет назад +2

      That's only dot fluid, his brakes are running mineral

  • @bartubos76
    @bartubos76 2 года назад

    Hi i see you have your rear break on the left i just got a new bike in the mail but rear is on the right side. I have xt and want to swap them over. Can i just swap them ore do i need to order new olives and bleed the whole system from the calipers up

  • @powercordlabs
    @powercordlabs 2 года назад

    Good vid, thanks for that.

  • @tylerross964
    @tylerross964 9 лет назад

    Im guessing when you mention the nipples and blocks that come with the brakes, you are meaning when you buy the brakes separately from the bike? I ask because when i purchased my trek fuel ex 8 it didnt come with anything like that for the brakes.

    • @gmbn
      @gmbn  9 лет назад

      +Tyler Ross That may well be the case - If you go to your local bike shop they may be able to help you out for a few ££ or If you call your dealer they may be able to help you. Very useful things to have in you tool box.

    • @tylerross964
      @tylerross964 9 лет назад

      Thanks!

  • @raczyk
    @raczyk 2 года назад

    How do you extend brake cable length? I need 233 cm to rear brake caliper, do hydraulic brake hoses come that long?

  • @sebastianmachl3180
    @sebastianmachl3180 9 лет назад

    yeeaaaa waited for it the whole day !!!!!!

  • @JoshStreetDesign
    @JoshStreetDesign 4 года назад

    If I don't need to trim the brakes but just need to route the lines through the frame, all I have to do is just pull that line out, then put it back in without the need to rebleed right?

    • @gmbn
      @gmbn  4 года назад +1

      Yes, but you may have to clip the locking bolt and the olive off of the end in order to route the cable through the frame. You'd then need to re-install them once it's through :)

  • @aroo1377
    @aroo1377 4 года назад

    How barb and olive really works in tightening of brake hose

  • @dskordo
    @dskordo 8 лет назад

    thank you. super helpful.

  • @kay19833
    @kay19833 5 лет назад +1

    What if you don't have the insert and the plunger(Olive) say, you are installing a used brake, how do you get the insert and the plunger(Olive) since you can't reuse the old ones. I will wait. You see, everything isn't always ideal as you demonstrate in video GMBN, some people like me just can't always afford new brakes that come with everything.

  • @alensvimba2183
    @alensvimba2183 9 лет назад

    really helpful video

  • @dandears8929
    @dandears8929 7 лет назад +1

    Can you still trim the brake cables if you dont have a spare olive or plunger???????

    • @crislee4057
      @crislee4057 7 лет назад +2

      No, the olive is bent, you won't get it off undamaged. I did get a plunger out of an old hose though, no need to dump that actually...

  • @TrickMini
    @TrickMini 3 года назад

    Great video to remove the fear of hydraulic brakes.

  • @reggie7269
    @reggie7269 3 года назад

    i would like to ask are all hydraulic fittings universal?

  • @motoinsaneness
    @motoinsaneness 5 лет назад

    Super helpful thanks!

  • @BoshNet
    @BoshNet 7 лет назад

    if I'm swapping my cable to add flair with color is the caliper end more or less the same steps?

  • @shanereid5663
    @shanereid5663 9 лет назад

    another great video

  • @AlexNijv
    @AlexNijv 6 лет назад

    Great video. Thanx

  • @HangryAnimalsGame
    @HangryAnimalsGame 8 лет назад

    what length dropper post is on that bike Neil? I have a 150mm KS LEV Integra and I think it's too long... just curious. great vid by the way. shortened my XT brake on Sanction perfectly after watching this video. BH

    • @gmbn
      @gmbn  8 лет назад

      +andrew minton 125mm on the Sanction. Thanks! Neil

    • @HangryAnimalsGame
      @HangryAnimalsGame 8 лет назад

      Woop. Awesome. It's a beast of a machine. Thanks.

  • @waddilove10
    @waddilove10 9 лет назад

    alright Don .. just about to get a new bike which comes with xt's .. I run back on the right so if I was to just disconnect as im gonna need to swap them round and not cut the cable does that mean I would not have to bleed . thanks Dar

    • @gmbn
      @gmbn  9 лет назад

      +waddilove10 Unless your levers are right/left specific this should be an option, but we would recommend bleeding the top reservoir to be on the safe side.

  • @szakalbarnabas87
    @szakalbarnabas87 7 лет назад

    Hi I went on ebay but there's two type of Shimano olives, BH59 and BH90. Which to choose for Zee brakes?

  • @adammcallister5047
    @adammcallister5047 8 лет назад

    I shortened my new brake hose last night, but i didn't have the hose block tool and couldn't get the barb ALL THE WAY in flush...about 1 mm still sticking out. Is that gonna be a problem? Thx

    • @gmbn
      @gmbn  8 лет назад

      +Adam McAllister Maybe not, but I would be careful it doesn't leak. Try and get the block tools, they are only cheap.

  • @clint2627
    @clint2627 4 года назад

    So I followed these steps and when i pulled the lever the brake line blew out. Did I not get the olive squished? I was worried about tightening too tight. How do I know if I need to squash the olive more?

    • @clint2627
      @clint2627 4 года назад

      I figured out my issue. My cut on the hose was not square. The first time I cut the hose I used a utility knife. I tried again with wire cutters like you did and that made the cut square. Went on perfect

  • @lewispritchett8140
    @lewispritchett8140 9 лет назад

    could you do a workshop tour ?

    • @gmbn
      @gmbn  9 лет назад

      +king lewis pritchett Cool Idea we will put it on the list. In the mean time have you seen our team bus tours? ruclips.net/video/ILvo5Qku1sY/видео.html

  • @danielmoreira1003
    @danielmoreira1003 2 года назад

    Top. Obrigado

  • @Bugle25
    @Bugle25 8 лет назад

    Hey quick question, is it necessary to change olives if you just want to swap the cables around?

    • @gmbn
      @gmbn  8 лет назад

      +Monee Worx No you shouldn't need to change the olives. Neil

    • @Bugle25
      @Bugle25 8 лет назад

      Thanks Neil, I did the swap as soon as you gave the okay and all is well, you guys are the best!!

  • @e16boii
    @e16boii 9 лет назад

    How much do you think a bike shop would charge for this in UK?