@@AIRWAY26the sec still had undefeated bama and Nick Saban they just got upset this year there hasn’t been an SEC team to be the rock or anchor of the conference who’s the clear best team in the country
@@AIRWAY26 this is the SEC's second straight down year and next year ain't lookin' great. History also shifts with things like NIL which means that other leagues are able to pay their players now too.
It’s not ridiculous. Like the old saying goes: “A rising tide raises all ships.” Strength of schedule matters. Not only do you want your own team to look good, but you immediate rivals as well.
Never have, just rooted HARD against the SEC this bowl season. I’m tired of hearing it means more. Yeah bama and whatnot have been dominant, but clearly the gap is closing. OSU has the most ridiculous roster I’ve seen in a long time. This feels good to me
I don't think SEC fans actually root for other SEC teams, but when anyone takes a shot at the SEC, SEC fans are quick to come prop up the conference because they are used to being the best historically.
Conference nationalism is stupid and I’m a fan of a sec team. I’m tired of people arguing about it when it doesn’t matter and people blow everything out of proportion. You can never prove one conference is objectively better because there is such a small sample size and teams play so different on any given day.
I hate conference nationalism so much. What happened to in-conference rivalries? As a Vandy fan, I'd rather see a Group of Five squash Tennessee than have Tennessee defend the SEC's honor.
This „conference nationalism“ also stems from the hatred from other conferences that the SEC gets, particularly the big 10. When everyone hates your group, it builds comradery within said group.
Yup. Its the big problem in the sport right now that the Big 10 and SEC are just trying to monopolise the sport between them. If they do it'll ruin the game imo
@@PatriotMapperThose same words are also used to get more SEC teams in. This year it could easily have meant "invite BYU and Miami rather than Clemson and Tennessee," but in practice it would have been "invite Alabama and South Carolina instead of SMU and Clemson."
Even as a B1G TEN fan, I agree. NO GUARANTEED SPOTS. Earn it. Every year. Should the Big 12 get a guaranteed spot because they had National Champs decades ago? Should the SEC have guaranteed spots because Saban USED TO win championships for them?
Tbf to the SEC they proposed that and the guarenteed spots are mainly to provide guareentees to the weaker conferences. ACC especially for decades would have really struggled to place non Florida State teams into a hypothetical playoff if this system had existed.
@@commodorezero That's interesting. Makes sense. My REAL solution will never be accepted. 1. More (smaller) conferences. 2. ONLY conference Champs get into the CFP. 3. No committees or opinion polls. 4. Champions are determined by on-field play alone. But the money men and power brokers will never accept this common sense, totally fair approach.
10 would make the most sense, every conference champ, but after this year I'd be crucified for implementing that. Soooo... 5 makes sense to me. The 5 highest ranked conference champions makes that most sense for now, unless the new PAC-12 becomes a power conference again, in which case I'd raise it to 6.
if a team is any good everyone says "they are built like an SEC team".... if the defensive line plays well thats an SEC defense... lmao no, thats just good players on a good team.....
The best conference also changes over time. Just because the SEC and Big 10 are good right now doesn’t mean they will always be superior. The right coaches, the right players, increased donor interest, all can swing things around.
Just tired of hearing how much “better” the SEC is than everyone else. In the past I’d agree. But it’s a new era and schools like OSU are throwing money to compete, and it’s working, it’s very legal now. I love Penn State, and this is probably the first year ever I can remember rooting for other B1G teams playing against SEC ones. Did root for Tennessee, but I’m happy to see the conference show it’s not a 3 team conference
OSU, PSU, and Michigan have been at least good for a very long time. The problem is the Big Ten had down years since the late 2010s from teams like Wisconsin, Nebraska, Iowa, Michigan State etc. But this year the entire SEC even the top schools were only good and not elite. Now with teams like Oregon, USC, etc on top OSU, Penn State, and Michigan is going to swing things to the B1G.
The fact the SEC went from complete powerhouse for well over a decade to not winning a single playoff game(no I’m not counting the Big 12 school) the season NIL was introduced is telling as to how their dominance came about
@@brycevogt9669 For one, his claim was that the SEC did not win a single playoff game since the introduction of the NIL, which is BLATANTLY FALSE since georgia won it twice in a row following NIL Get your facts straight. you obviously cant even read a single comment Further This original commenter was insinuating that the only reason that the SEC was so good was because they were paying players. Issue is, they werent. Get your facts straight Heres at least 12 major schools also RECENTLY paying there players that werent nearly as good as the SEC. Southern Methodist University (SMU) University of Southern California (USC) University of Miami University of Oklahoma University of Michigan University of Colorado University of Arizona University of Minnesota Northwestern University University of Washington University of Kansas Oklahoma State University Get your facts straight The claim that the SEC was only good because they paid players is such a load of crap its absurd. Complete sheeple talking point Get your facts straight
@BrendonCap bro it's pretty clear the sec was dominant mainly because they were the only ones who could get away with paying players. That and the media bias they had for awhile. You can't deny when nil was introduced the sec era of dominance came to an end. Yes they still compete but they aren't head and shoulders above anyone. Sec is just another power conference nothing more nothing less.
@@zozzledwolf4653 The NIL seems to decreased SEC dominance because it gave an incentive (money) to players to go to schools that were not considered the best Before NIL, players went to the best schools when possible because it increased their chance of going pro. Alabama starters had an 80% chance of going pro, which is absolutely absurdly good. Like i listed, there were many schools that were shown to have been consistently paying players, but they were not nearly as good as the best SEC teams, which demonstrates that it was not the money that made the SEC so good. This is pretty clear
SEC fans literally just ride the coattails of Nick Saban and by extension Kirby Smart recently.“ No Power 5 conference contender is scared of Tennessee, Ole Miss, and Florida on a year to year basis and those are some of the bigger SEC brands.
SEC exposes its culture every November when it schedules FCS teams at home. They’re afraid to compete against the P4 on the road and be exposed. No other Conference fan base talks about hypotheticals as much as SEC fans, reporters, and backers and the pre-season AP 25 is a racket because the SEC reporters are not honest about their rankings and stuff it full of SEC teams to perpetuate excellence where there is only mediocrity, like in 2024. Give OSU two or three possessions-bye bye SEC. Which SEC teams best OSU this year?
This argument is stupid though, this season the SEC played more P4 OOC games than all but the Big Ten, and was only one during the regular season to have a winning record. Who cares if they play FCS teams in November, does it make a difference if Alabama plays them in November and Indiana plays them in September?
Don't talk about OSU vs SEC I'm a Saints fan so I have respect for OSU. But y'all are owned shamefully vs the SEC thru ur entire history. Most importantly is that Fall games vs the fcs schools are a valuable tradition and tbh not much different than the dregs of the big ten
@@weatherwolf335 Here's why it matters. While everyone else is in the slog of conference play, the SEC gets basically a 3rd bye while late in the year to get healthy while the rest of the conferences are beating each other up.
I’m a fan of 2 teams in the SEC and I do not get how other people in the SEC dick ride the rest of the conference and all this. I like the teams I like , I don’t root for rivals.
I do want to congratulate myself for calling it, I said that the final four teams will be the four home teams in the first round. Also I hate the idea of giving automatic bids whatsoever and one conference should never be given anything over another conference. I also believe that winning your conference should count even if it's c-usa.
Strange how SEC's complete dominance when NIL came around. Almost like they lost some sort of advantage that they were doing. Somehow every team having the ability to give players money somehow evened out the playing field.
Texas came in and raided the SEC. They are always a Big 12 school invading the SEC, just like Washington and Oregon are Pac-12 schools invading the Big 10 and I don't see it any either way. The cracks in the SEC's image are being revealed, debates I've had here on RUclips about the SEC being overrated and carried by Nick Saban with those who bought into the propaganda are finally being validated in my favor. Texas came in and did what pro-SEC fans said their upper-middle tiers schools could do in other conferences. As for the playoffs, what have we learned? being 9-12 is hard, as it should be, and being 1-4 means you have to be sharp, while being 5-8 is risky if you get beat up. Oregon was just a fraud in big games, as they usually are, Georgia didn't really have a chance with Beck out, but the other two made key mistakes late to shut the door on their rallies. I would take away from this format that we need to stay at 12 and leave things as they are. Give those borderline teams a chance to play themselves in. Other than Miami, there wasn't really anyone else that could make an argument to make the field. Just don't let potential blowouts that were already happening with the 4 team playoff convince you it needs changes. If there is something to change it is the transfer portal. That's where energy needs to go.
As a Georgia fan I resent this so much lol, we literally beat them twice. I do think Texas is easily the 2nd best team in the conference (not to mention the deepest roster by far), but they also played literally the bottom 7 teams in the conference and then lost to Georgia. I'm not arguing SEC supremacy or anything like that, just saying Texas "dominating the SEC" is total BS.
@@numbskulliii5270 well, keep resenting. Who ran the table in the regular season? Texas. Who is in the semifinal? Also Texas. The championship win was highway robbery due to officiating. But, in the end, it was for the better. While they barely beat Arizona State, they at least won against a 'so-called' mid-school. The same cannot be said for Georgia. They were severely exploited in the Ole Miss and Georgia Tech games, respectively. So, another bad loss was headed their way.
I’m an sec guy and I’ll be the first to say the BIG10 has proven themselves the past 2 years. However, what low key irritates me is how outsiders will say the sec is top heavy. Sure we had bama and uga winning most of our recent titles. BUT we also had LSU, Auburn, and Flordia winning some too. In the last 20 years we’ve had 5 different teams win it all. Other conferences have had no more than 2 different teams win it all. Not to mention with all the nfl draft picks, larger stadiums on average, higher recruiting rankings, most starting qb’s in the nfl currently. I won’t make excuses when the sec underperforms we under preform. The SEC wasn’t the best this year or the year before. NIL and the Transfer portal have evened the playing field. And other teams are simply playing harder than in the past. I’m all for it if it means more entertaining football. Sure the calendar for it all is messed up and it needs more regulation but still it’s good for the players.
For every 3 Bama Titles, Auburn, Florida, and LSU won one, respectively. It is still top-heavy. It took 9 years for an SEC team that wasn't Alabama to win a title in the 2010s. Georgia won their titles at the turn of the decade.
Two things can be true: (1) The SEC is still the best conference, top to bottom (2) The 9-3 SEC teams did not deserve a playoff spot over an 11-1 Big Ten team or 11-2 ACC runner-up
Just because the #1 (and rarely the #2) SEC teams are usually championship contenders does not mean that the #3-#16 teams are any better than their B1G/Big 12/ACC counterparts
Lot of y’all complain about SEC bias but then bring up big ten and acc in arguments. Instead of looking what conference you play in, look at the strength of schedules and resumes
The reason I don't like the 'No guarantees, no auto-bids' idea is because of the issues that created the college football playoff in the first place. Where the national championship was a conference rematch, or a third undefeated team was left out. Now, with so many spots in a playoff, no undefeated team is likely to get left out but I think if the talking heads had it their way the ACC conference champion would have been left out of the playoff this year. Why do conferences matter if we're not using them to send the best teams from around the country to the playoff? The best way to determine which team is better is through direct competition, if you can't win in your conference and compete for that championship you have no business putting your name in the ring to win a national championship. And yes, this year that would mean OSU would be left out. I don't see how that's the playoff committee's problem, that's the Big10's problem.
Love your content man, one of the only people who talk about football who really knows what they’re talking about and gives level headed takes, would love to see more long form content in the future.
To me, the ideal scenario would be to do it just the way it is now, but with a committee who errs on the side of underestimating the gaps between conferences rather than overestimating them, and maybe expanding it to 14 or 16 teams just to insure every team has a path to the playoff. But if we're going to do this thing where we give each conference a certain number of automatic bids, lets not determine before the season even starts which conferences get more. Instead, lets have it be based on how well the conferences perform against other conferences. That way, if the SEC and Big 10 really are that much better than everyone else, they'll what they want, but they'll have to prove it rather than just make everyone assume it.
Ole Miss showed why they had the best argument for making the playoffs and could've given a few of the lower seeds a run for their money. Not saying they would've won or deserved to be in the playoffs, but unlike Alabama and SC, they showed up and why they are still a top team
SC did have very big opt outs, kyle kennard, arguably a top 5 if not a top 3 defensive player opted out, sanders, a top 5 SEC running back and the rhythm for our offense opted out, and then in the second half emmanwori and TJ Sanders, 2 players that have a very good chance going 1sy round in the draft this year sat out, im not saying that we would have 100% won if we had them playing, but when a team loses 4 of its undeniable best players, u cant say that they had all there players playing, although i think if we had them we would have won, because we would have been able to rush the ball very effectively
It's a very good conference. But wearing the SEC logo on your jersey does not give you invisibility. Also, when the PAC cannibalized itself like the SEC did this year, it was called a terrible conference. The SEC was pronounced shockingly deep top to bottom. That's what really pissed me off. But yes, good conference.
I generally have no issue with the SEC as a conference but the snubbing of FSU last year with Bama and the endless bitching from SEC fanboys acting like the 12 team playoff should have just been the conference winners and the rest being SEC teams was annoying as all hell. Bama fans in particular who acted as if they deserved the first round bye only to go 4 losses this season. It feels good. To be fair though some of this may be location bias since I saw most of the more toxic takes on instagram (I know I know).
That was a small minority of people though and it seems as if every other fan from every other conference hates on the entirety of the sec for that small minority that exists with every conference fanbase.
@@___________________. Georgia lost that year in the championship but all I'll say is that bowl game to me didnt count considering basically every FSU starter opted out and left. My point is simply was and is, if winning doesnt matter why play the games?
The SEC’s claimed supremacy is almost entirely due to Alabama and Georgia. We don’t care if they want to say they’re a very good conference. We don’t care if they say they’re the best conference. Just stop acting like the whole conference is head and shoulders above everyone else.
Give cfp committee credit for once: they took SMU over bama, ol miss, south carolina, etc. Sure SMU got stomped but so did georgia, tennesee, oregon, to a lesser degree boise, indiana, etc.
actually the south carolina vs illinois game, we were without our WR1, pat bryant, who opted out and we still beat south carolina. also, beamer’s a crybaby.
There was only 1 reason they brought Oklahoma and Texas to the SEC , That was Money. People were really really getting tired of Watching the Bias with Georgia ,Alabama and a few of the other once in a blue moon. The Transition of Texas and Oklahoma was a bid for the 2nd highest money maker Texas, Oklahoma was just a package deal. The only Reason Texas is in it the playoffs still, was because of bad Officiating and a rigged Ranking system. Keeping Alabama, Georgia,Texas ,Tennessee,Missouri ect ranked as high as they were to validate the Rankings of Georgia Texas and Alabama.
Exactly. This has been happening for years and it's a huge reason I've gotten sick of watching CFB instead going for NFL. The SEC plays themselves and FCS teams. They don't ever play any big schools in the regular season so all of the SEC teams have higher rankings than they probably deserve and it shows in Bowl Season when teams like the amazing Number 11 Alabama lose to Michigan or the amazing SEC champs Georgia get beaten by Notre Dame. The SEC is pathetic and just a joke conference larping as a great one, constantly getting exposed in Bowl Season.
SEC has been good for years, but this year they're mid. Big ten is the best, then it's close between big 12, acc, and sec. Maybe sec slightly above those but all three conferences looking so-so.
Nah man, I think the SEC and B12 are comparable, but the ACC is so far below any of them, they're borderline Go5 at this point. Just look at the results, not just from the postseason but the whole year.
i still think top to bottom the SEC was still the strongest. but obviously the BIGten had the top 2 . Im just pumped ND can finnally compete with the big dawgs
2:36 South Carolina did not have all their players playing. Our best defensive player, and also the best defensive player in the country, Kyle Kennard, opted out, as well as our star running back Rocket Sanders who had a massive impact in nearly every game this season. Our mid-1st-round-projected safety Nick Emmanwori also opted out of the second half. We were short 3 of our top 5 players, with only freshmen LaNorris Sellers and Dylan Stewart playing the full 60 minutes. That made a monumental impact on the game, with 3rd downs being harder to convert without Rocket and our pass defense had massive holes due to the absences of Kennard and Emmanwori. If we were full force, things could have easily and quickly flipped the other way.
You're only proving the point that the SEC rides on hypotheticals. SC lost. Idc if you had opt outs. If you want to actually prove that the SEC isn't just a joke conference, fucking play everyone. The SEC is the worst
@@ohiomoon1813 we don’t choose who to play, the players choose themselves 😭 and the only reason we had opt outs is bc our players are good enough to be high early-round draft picks so they don’t want to risk injury or anything else that hurts their stock
I want to see other conferences succeed but it is looking like big 10 and sec can get 6-8 teams into the playoff every year the most serious pac 12 teams are now big 10 the most serious big 12 teams are now SEC the ACC fans are trying to say there top teams should do the same at least Clemson fans are saying leave the conference you also have Florida st again though every conference not the Big10 or SEC has two or three programs on a top tier level and they mostly already joined the big two maybe the big 12 gets better maybe we see something like Virginia tech in the 2000s for the ACC but generally big10 and SEC claim at minimum half the playoff spots every year
A couple of games doesn’t change that the SEC is still dominant. Check out SEC vs other conferences. If NIL and transfers keep up, yea we could have a different landscape very soon.
Even in a “bad” season like this one, the SEC is still the second best conference. And in a good season, the SEC is the best by far. So yes that that is supremacy, when you’re good even at your worst.
@@mattschwartz7583what did you do with the time you saved typing 1 instead of “one”? Did that time-save help you clean up the mess you made in your pants thinking about how upset this person is going to be when they get told to “cry more” over the results of a sport game between 20-year-old millionaires? Or are you afraid that misspelling “one” will lump you in with the rest of the football fan base that has never touched foot on a college campus?
I think it was omitted because Budge was only talking about games without opt-outs for this video, and while Missouri and Iowa had opt-outs, there weren’t a ton. Missouri’s best WR and Iowa’s RB are very close in draft rankings right now which kinda coincidentally offset those two opt-outs, and a few total defensive players sat out. Obviously both teams were out a key offensive production tool so I could see why it would be tossed as a boring opt-out bowl game, but opt-outs did about the same damage to both teams (unlike some other games where teams like Arkansas had their entire backup defense in against Texas tech and still won) and the overall damage was minimal. Neither Missouri nor Iowa were shouting for a playoffs bid down the stretch either, which put less of a spotlight on the game than Bama, SC, and Ole Miss’ games.
This is easily the most ignorant, most brain dead devoid of common sense statement ever to be uttered or typed in human history. Congratulations, you've accomplished a never before reached milestone.
The top of the Big Ten may be better than the top of the SEC this year, but the Big 10 is lucky that Purdue, Northwestern, Maryland, and UCLA didn’t have to play in bowl games. Top to bottom, the SEC may still be better than
I would agree that the bottom of the SEC is probably still slightly better but it's not by a ton. Mississippi State and Kentucky are horrible. Auburn lost to a pretty horrible Cal team. Even Oklahoma and Vandy had great wins but Oklahoma's offense was really bad all year and Vandy's loss to Georgia State is probably one of the worst losses from a P4 team this season.
This is a dumb comment. Of course bad teams would lose bowl games. Do you seriously think Mississippi State, Kentucky or Auburn would have won bowl games either?
@NikolaiG8 I dont know how you could even saw the mid tier teams are better than the big tens. our mid tier teams are being the SEC top tiers, and most of their mid-tier. However bottom tier, I'll give you that one. Granted purdue has always been horrible at football. They have that one year they do good, a few upsets, then after that back to being a ghost for 3 or 4 years.
The reason the SEC gets so much flack is because people are burnt out of seeing the same thing over and over again. The SEC had an extreme down year and, naturally, people are quick to call it overrated. But if you look at the past 20 years or so, it's a different story. The SEC has dominated college football for a while and people want something new. It's the same as people getting sick of Tom Brady winning Super Bowls or Aaron Rodgers winning MVPs in the NFL. Even in other sports, we've seen people get tired of hearing about Lebron James or Michael Jordan or Lionel Messi over and over again. It's totally reasonable. This season offered a nice twist with the SEC struggling to compete against other conferences and people are quick to latch onto it. But people who want to say the Big 10 was the best conference this year are lying to themselves. Sure, Oregon, OSU, and PSU had good seasons, but Indiana was incredibly overrated and the conference also has teams like Purdue, Wisconsin, Iowa, Maryland, Michigan State, Minnesota, Nebraska, Northwestern, Ruthers, UCLA, USC, and Washington. It's a mid conference with a high ceiling and an extremely low floor.
So you want to talk about history then? Those teams you listed as mid are HISTORICALLY defensive powerhouses. They also play tons of hard in-conference games. Minnesota only has 1 non-conference loss. Iowa only has 1 (to their rival Iowa State). Nebraska has NONE and has even beat teams like Colorado and kept things close against good teams like Ohio State. Michigan on its DOWN YEAR still has one of the best defenses in the country. USC has played close games to good teams all season (PSU, ND), and are historically an amazing team, but we’ve seen how its record reflects being in the B10, as they much like the other mid teams you listed only have 1 out-of-conference loss. USC also beat LSU. Overall before bowl games B10 was 5-4 against SEC teams, and that gap has only grown with the postseason. Purdue is shit tho I’ll give you that
History does not play games, the players on rosters this season do.
but it does repeat itself, the sec had a terrible year in 2014 as well and we heard the exact same discourse
@@AIRWAY26the sec still had undefeated bama and Nick Saban they just got upset this year there hasn’t been an SEC team to be the rock or anchor of the conference who’s the clear best team in the country
@@AIRWAY26 this is the SEC's second straight down year and next year ain't lookin' great. History also shifts with things like NIL which means that other leagues are able to pay their players now too.
@@kirancourt the sec was up last year, not sure what you are talking about
Bro the 2014 sec west is the greatest division of all time. A bad bowl record doesnt take away from that. This year the sec was just mid all around
SEC is undefeated in hypothetical games.
Rooting for an entire conference is ridiculous
I never understood that, I always root against other ACC teams
SEC! SEC! SEC! IT JUST MEANS MORE☝️🤓
It’s not ridiculous.
Like the old saying goes: “A rising tide raises all ships.”
Strength of schedule matters. Not only do you want your own team to look good, but you immediate rivals as well.
Never have, just rooted HARD against the SEC this bowl season. I’m tired of hearing it means more. Yeah bama and whatnot have been dominant, but clearly the gap is closing. OSU has the most ridiculous roster I’ve seen in a long time. This feels good to me
I don't think SEC fans actually root for other SEC teams, but when anyone takes a shot at the SEC, SEC fans are quick to come prop up the conference because they are used to being the best historically.
Conference nationalism is stupid and I’m a fan of a sec team. I’m tired of people arguing about it when it doesn’t matter and people blow everything out of proportion. You can never prove one conference is objectively better because there is such a small sample size and teams play so different on any given day.
I hate conference nationalism so much. What happened to in-conference rivalries? As a Vandy fan, I'd rather see a Group of Five squash Tennessee than have Tennessee defend the SEC's honor.
This „conference nationalism“ also stems from the hatred from other conferences that the SEC gets, particularly the big 10. When everyone hates your group, it builds comradery within said group.
That playoff proposal is horrible.
absolutely made specifically to make money for SEC and B1G teams
Yup. Its the big problem in the sport right now that the Big 10 and SEC are just trying to monopolise the sport between them. If they do it'll ruin the game imo
Fr we need to get rid of autobids altogether and instead just select the most deserving teams
@@PatriotMapperwhile I understand this idea I think this would result in the cfp committee fully going to the sec to fill the spots
@@PatriotMapperThose same words are also used to get more SEC teams in. This year it could easily have meant "invite BYU and Miami rather than Clemson and Tennessee," but in practice it would have been "invite Alabama and South Carolina instead of SMU and Clemson."
Even as a B1G TEN fan, I agree. NO GUARANTEED SPOTS. Earn it. Every year. Should the Big 12 get a guaranteed spot because they had National Champs decades ago? Should the SEC have guaranteed spots because Saban USED TO win championships for them?
Tbf to the SEC they proposed that and the guarenteed spots are mainly to provide guareentees to the weaker conferences. ACC especially for decades would have really struggled to place non Florida State teams into a hypothetical playoff if this system had existed.
@@commodorezero That's interesting. Makes sense. My REAL solution will never be accepted. 1. More (smaller) conferences. 2. ONLY conference Champs get into the CFP. 3. No committees or opinion polls. 4. Champions are determined by on-field play alone. But the money men and power brokers will never accept this common sense, totally fair approach.
10 would make the most sense, every conference champ, but after this year I'd be crucified for implementing that. Soooo... 5 makes sense to me. The 5 highest ranked conference champions makes that most sense for now, unless the new PAC-12 becomes a power conference again, in which case I'd raise it to 6.
if a team is any good everyone says "they are built like an SEC team".... if the defensive line plays well thats an SEC defense... lmao no, thats just good players on a good team.....
I’ve never heard that in my life and I’ve lived in the heart of the south as long as I’ve been around
@@KingE34 They said it on one of the Notre Dame games
@@gamerryanbanana9672 that not everyone that is 1 broadcaster
The best conference also changes over time. Just because the SEC and Big 10 are good right now doesn’t mean they will always be superior. The right coaches, the right players, increased donor interest, all can swing things around.
Just tired of hearing how much “better” the SEC is than everyone else. In the past I’d agree. But it’s a new era and schools like OSU are throwing money to compete, and it’s working, it’s very legal now. I love Penn State, and this is probably the first year ever I can remember rooting for other B1G teams playing against SEC ones. Did root for Tennessee, but I’m happy to see the conference show it’s not a 3 team conference
OSU, PSU, and Michigan have been at least good for a very long time. The problem is the Big Ten had down years since the late 2010s from teams like Wisconsin, Nebraska, Iowa, Michigan State etc. But this year the entire SEC even the top schools were only good and not elite. Now with teams like Oregon, USC, etc on top OSU, Penn State, and Michigan is going to swing things to the B1G.
The fact the SEC went from complete powerhouse for well over a decade to not winning a single playoff game(no I’m not counting the Big 12 school) the season NIL was introduced is telling as to how their dominance came about
NIL was introduced in 2021. Georgia won both 2021 and 2022. Get your facts straight
@@BrendonCap And freshmen aren't typically huge parts of the roster, especially when teams are constantly redshirting. Get your facts straight
@@brycevogt9669 For one, his claim was that the SEC did not win a single playoff game since the introduction of the NIL, which is BLATANTLY FALSE since georgia won it twice in a row following NIL
Get your facts straight. you obviously cant even read a single comment
Further
This original commenter was insinuating that the only reason that the SEC was so good was because they were paying players. Issue is, they werent.
Get your facts straight
Heres at least 12 major schools also RECENTLY paying there players that werent nearly as good as the SEC.
Southern Methodist University (SMU)
University of Southern California (USC)
University of Miami
University of Oklahoma
University of Michigan
University of Colorado
University of Arizona
University of Minnesota
Northwestern University
University of Washington
University of Kansas
Oklahoma State University
Get your facts straight
The claim that the SEC was only good because they paid players is such a load of crap its absurd. Complete sheeple talking point
Get your facts straight
@BrendonCap bro it's pretty clear the sec was dominant mainly because they were the only ones who could get away with paying players. That and the media bias they had for awhile. You can't deny when nil was introduced the sec era of dominance came to an end. Yes they still compete but they aren't head and shoulders above anyone. Sec is just another power conference nothing more nothing less.
@@zozzledwolf4653 The NIL seems to decreased SEC dominance because it gave an incentive (money) to players to go to schools that were not considered the best
Before NIL, players went to the best schools when possible because it increased their chance of going pro. Alabama starters had an 80% chance of going pro, which is absolutely absurdly good.
Like i listed, there were many schools that were shown to have been consistently paying players, but they were not nearly as good as the best SEC teams, which demonstrates that it was not the money that made the SEC so good.
This is pretty clear
SEC fans literally just ride the coattails of Nick Saban and by extension Kirby Smart recently.“ No Power 5 conference contender is scared of Tennessee, Ole Miss, and Florida on a year to year basis and those are some of the bigger SEC brands.
SEC exposes its culture every November when it schedules FCS teams at home. They’re afraid to compete against the P4 on the road and be exposed. No other Conference fan base talks about hypotheticals as much as SEC fans, reporters, and backers and the pre-season AP 25 is a racket because the SEC reporters are not honest about their rankings and stuff it full of SEC teams to perpetuate excellence where there is only mediocrity, like in 2024. Give OSU two or three possessions-bye bye SEC. Which SEC teams best OSU this year?
This argument is stupid though, this season the SEC played more P4 OOC games than all but the Big Ten, and was only one during the regular season to have a winning record. Who cares if they play FCS teams in November, does it make a difference if Alabama plays them in November and Indiana plays them in September?
@@larrylane7822facts
Darn near every P4 school plays an FCS school at some point in the year as well as a G5 team. What does it matter what part of the season it is in?
Don't talk about OSU vs SEC I'm a Saints fan so I have respect for OSU. But y'all are owned shamefully vs the SEC thru ur entire history. Most importantly is that Fall games vs the fcs schools are a valuable tradition and tbh not much different than the dregs of the big ten
@@weatherwolf335 Here's why it matters. While everyone else is in the slog of conference play, the SEC gets basically a 3rd bye while late in the year to get healthy while the rest of the conferences are beating each other up.
Their best teams are struggling at home against to quote an espn statement on Georgia Tech “ mid tier ACC team”
I’m a fan of 2 teams in the SEC and I do not get how other people in the SEC dick ride the rest of the conference and all this. I like the teams I like , I don’t root for rivals.
I do want to congratulate myself for calling it, I said that the final four teams will be the four home teams in the first round.
Also I hate the idea of giving automatic bids whatsoever and one conference should never be given anything over another conference.
I also believe that winning your conference should count even if it's c-usa.
good man
Its hard to compare in season when the non conference games are against fcs schools
Sec shouldn't have a playoff team right now, that call sucked big time
Strange how SEC's complete dominance when NIL came around. Almost like they lost some sort of advantage that they were doing. Somehow every team having the ability to give players money somehow evened out the playing field.
strange how this exact same discourse happened in 2014 when you and others completely overreacted when the sec failed to win the title that year.
Texas came in and raided the SEC. They are always a Big 12 school invading the SEC, just like Washington and Oregon are Pac-12 schools invading the Big 10 and I don't see it any either way. The cracks in the SEC's image are being revealed, debates I've had here on RUclips about the SEC being overrated and carried by Nick Saban with those who bought into the propaganda are finally being validated in my favor. Texas came in and did what pro-SEC fans said their upper-middle tiers schools could do in other conferences.
As for the playoffs, what have we learned? being 9-12 is hard, as it should be, and being 1-4 means you have to be sharp, while being 5-8 is risky if you get beat up. Oregon was just a fraud in big games, as they usually are, Georgia didn't really have a chance with Beck out, but the other two made key mistakes late to shut the door on their rallies. I would take away from this format that we need to stay at 12 and leave things as they are. Give those borderline teams a chance to play themselves in. Other than Miami, there wasn't really anyone else that could make an argument to make the field. Just don't let potential blowouts that were already happening with the 4 team playoff convince you it needs changes. If there is something to change it is the transfer portal. That's where energy needs to go.
As a Georgia fan I resent this so much lol, we literally beat them twice. I do think Texas is easily the 2nd best team in the conference (not to mention the deepest roster by far), but they also played literally the bottom 7 teams in the conference and then lost to Georgia. I'm not arguing SEC supremacy or anything like that, just saying Texas "dominating the SEC" is total BS.
@@numbskulliii5270 well, keep resenting. Who ran the table in the regular season? Texas. Who is in the semifinal? Also Texas. The championship win was highway robbery due to officiating. But, in the end, it was for the better. While they barely beat Arizona State, they at least won against a 'so-called' mid-school. The same cannot be said for Georgia. They were severely exploited in the Ole Miss and Georgia Tech games, respectively. So, another bad loss was headed their way.
@@alexcuevas5633 yap yap yap 0-2 against the worst Georgia team this decade 😂
I’m an sec guy and I’ll be the first to say the BIG10 has proven themselves the past 2 years.
However, what low key irritates me is how outsiders will say the sec is top heavy. Sure we had bama and uga winning most of our recent titles. BUT we also had LSU, Auburn, and Flordia winning some too.
In the last 20 years we’ve had 5 different teams win it all. Other conferences have had no more than 2 different teams win it all.
Not to mention with all the nfl draft picks, larger stadiums on average, higher recruiting rankings, most starting qb’s in the nfl currently.
I won’t make excuses when the sec underperforms we under preform. The SEC wasn’t the best this year or the year before. NIL and the Transfer portal have evened the playing field. And other teams are simply playing harder than in the past.
I’m all for it if it means more entertaining football. Sure the calendar for it all is messed up and it needs more regulation but still it’s good for the players.
For every 3 Bama Titles, Auburn, Florida, and LSU won one, respectively. It is still top-heavy. It took 9 years for an SEC team that wasn't Alabama to win a title in the 2010s. Georgia won their titles at the turn of the decade.
I would talk but I am an ACC homer :p
Also Go Cards, that takes priority over everything else
Two things can be true:
(1) The SEC is still the best conference, top to bottom
(2) The 9-3 SEC teams did not deserve a playoff spot over an 11-1 Big Ten team or 11-2 ACC runner-up
also true is that ranked SEC teams lost to lower ranked and unranked big ten teams...
The Big 12 was way better than the ACC this year and deserved a second team in
Just because the #1 (and rarely the #2) SEC teams are usually championship contenders does not mean that the #3-#16 teams are any better than their B1G/Big 12/ACC counterparts
They often are
Lot of y’all complain about SEC bias but then bring up big ten and acc in arguments. Instead of looking what conference you play in, look at the strength of schedules and resumes
This season? “Implied SEC supremacy” has been a thing before you were born.
The reason I don't like the 'No guarantees, no auto-bids' idea is because of the issues that created the college football playoff in the first place. Where the national championship was a conference rematch, or a third undefeated team was left out. Now, with so many spots in a playoff, no undefeated team is likely to get left out but I think if the talking heads had it their way the ACC conference champion would have been left out of the playoff this year. Why do conferences matter if we're not using them to send the best teams from around the country to the playoff? The best way to determine which team is better is through direct competition, if you can't win in your conference and compete for that championship you have no business putting your name in the ring to win a national championship.
And yes, this year that would mean OSU would be left out. I don't see how that's the playoff committee's problem, that's the Big10's problem.
CFBudge with the best football takes on the internet, as per usual
I’m an ole Miss fan and I agree that the committee got it right, SMU and Indiana deserved a spot over us and bama
Love your content man, one of the only people who talk about football who really knows what they’re talking about and gives level headed takes, would love to see more long form content in the future.
To me, the ideal scenario would be to do it just the way it is now, but with a committee who errs on the side of underestimating the gaps between conferences rather than overestimating them, and maybe expanding it to 14 or 16 teams just to insure every team has a path to the playoff. But if we're going to do this thing where we give each conference a certain number of automatic bids, lets not determine before the season even starts which conferences get more. Instead, lets have it be based on how well the conferences perform against other conferences. That way, if the SEC and Big 10 really are that much better than everyone else, they'll what they want, but they'll have to prove it rather than just make everyone assume it.
so basically the eye test?
@@alexcuevas5633 I was thinking more along the lines of each conferences record against other conferences.
Funny how since nil deals are now legal for all the sec dominance is coming to an end
Ole Miss showed why they had the best argument for making the playoffs and could've given a few of the lower seeds a run for their money. Not saying they would've won or deserved to be in the playoffs, but unlike Alabama and SC, they showed up and why they are still a top team
Ole Miss might have been the best SEC team this season. Just totally blew it by losing to a horrible Kentucky team as their only P4 win all season
SC did have very big opt outs, kyle kennard, arguably a top 5 if not a top 3 defensive player opted out, sanders, a top 5 SEC running back and the rhythm for our offense opted out, and then in the second half emmanwori and TJ Sanders, 2 players that have a very good chance going 1sy round in the draft this year sat out, im not saying that we would have 100% won if we had them playing, but when a team loses 4 of its undeniable best players, u cant say that they had all there players playing, although i think if we had them we would have won, because we would have been able to rush the ball very effectively
excuses.
I find it funny that the “SEC sucking” just means it’s the second best conference instead of the best
(What other people have said not CFBudge)
It's a very good conference. But wearing the SEC logo on your jersey does not give you invisibility. Also, when the PAC cannibalized itself like the SEC did this year, it was called a terrible conference. The SEC was pronounced shockingly deep top to bottom. That's what really pissed me off.
But yes, good conference.
Big12 > SEC
@ the only good Big12 team is in the SEC
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The only power 4 conference that has seemed weak this post season (and all regular season) is the ACC.
Strength of Schedule matters. Until you can play big boy football every week, I don’t want to hear it
cry. That is a trauma excuse. I thought the south was about toughness
I generally have no issue with the SEC as a conference but the snubbing of FSU last year with Bama and the endless bitching from SEC fanboys acting like the 12 team playoff should have just been the conference winners and the rest being SEC teams was annoying as all hell. Bama fans in particular who acted as if they deserved the first round bye only to go 4 losses this season. It feels good. To be fair though some of this may be location bias since I saw most of the more toxic takes on instagram (I know I know).
That was a small minority of people though and it seems as if every other fan from every other conference hates on the entirety of the sec for that small minority that exists with every conference fanbase.
@@KingE34 You're right. As I said at the end of that rant I think it was because it was instagram and that place is just a cess pool
Florida state wasn’t snubbed, Georgia was. How people can still argue otherwise after they got curb stomped in the orange bowl is beyond me
@@___________________. Georgia lost that year in the championship but all I'll say is that bowl game to me didnt count considering basically every FSU starter opted out and left. My point is simply was and is, if winning doesnt matter why play the games?
@@___________________. lol half of the team didn't show up and you guys keep pretend it didn't happen.
The SEC’s claimed supremacy is almost entirely due to Alabama and Georgia. We don’t care if they want to say they’re a very good conference. We don’t care if they say they’re the best conference. Just stop acting like the whole conference is head and shoulders above everyone else.
don't even get us started on other sports outside of football, lol.
Give cfp committee credit for once: they took SMU over bama, ol miss, south carolina, etc. Sure SMU got stomped but so did georgia, tennesee, oregon, to a lesser degree boise, indiana, etc.
Vols fan here. I agree with everything said here. Loved seeing some fresh faces in the playoff. Down year for the SEC. But hopefully we'll be back!
actually the south carolina vs illinois game, we were without our WR1, pat bryant, who opted out and we still beat south carolina. also, beamer’s a crybaby.
There was only 1 reason they brought Oklahoma and Texas to the SEC , That was Money. People were really really getting tired of Watching the Bias with Georgia ,Alabama and a few of the other once in a blue moon. The Transition of Texas and Oklahoma was a bid for the 2nd highest money maker Texas, Oklahoma was just a package deal. The only Reason Texas is in it the playoffs still, was because of bad Officiating and a rigged Ranking system. Keeping Alabama, Georgia,Texas ,Tennessee,Missouri ect ranked as high as they were to validate the Rankings of Georgia Texas and Alabama.
Exactly. This has been happening for years and it's a huge reason I've gotten sick of watching CFB instead going for NFL. The SEC plays themselves and FCS teams. They don't ever play any big schools in the regular season so all of the SEC teams have higher rankings than they probably deserve and it shows in Bowl Season when teams like the amazing Number 11 Alabama lose to Michigan or the amazing SEC champs Georgia get beaten by Notre Dame. The SEC is pathetic and just a joke conference larping as a great one, constantly getting exposed in Bowl Season.
I guess it “just doesn’t mean more”?
BAMA lost to the 7th place team from the B1G TEN. Yes. 7th.
SEC fans are just insufferable
Facts
I really think Texas A&M will be a team to look out for next season.
lost to USC lmao
SEC has been good for years, but this year they're mid. Big ten is the best, then it's close between big 12, acc, and sec. Maybe sec slightly above those but all three conferences looking so-so.
Nah man, I think the SEC and B12 are comparable, but the ACC is so far below any of them, they're borderline Go5 at this point. Just look at the results, not just from the postseason but the whole year.
Would love to see a video were you look back at previous seasons and give us your best conference
i still think top to bottom the SEC was still the strongest. but obviously the BIGten had the top 2 . Im just pumped ND can finnally compete with the big dawgs
I get why ppl hate the SEC. But just do ur own thing
2:36 South Carolina did not have all their players playing. Our best defensive player, and also the best defensive player in the country, Kyle Kennard, opted out, as well as our star running back Rocket Sanders who had a massive impact in nearly every game this season. Our mid-1st-round-projected safety Nick Emmanwori also opted out of the second half. We were short 3 of our top 5 players, with only freshmen LaNorris Sellers and Dylan Stewart playing the full 60 minutes. That made a monumental impact on the game, with 3rd downs being harder to convert without Rocket and our pass defense had massive holes due to the absences of Kennard and Emmanwori. If we were full force, things could have easily and quickly flipped the other way.
having to write a whole paragraph to justify losing to the fighting illini
@Guccimanny im coping leave me be
YESS THANK YOU
You're only proving the point that the SEC rides on hypotheticals. SC lost. Idc if you had opt outs. If you want to actually prove that the SEC isn't just a joke conference, fucking play everyone. The SEC is the worst
@@ohiomoon1813 we don’t choose who to play, the players choose themselves 😭 and the only reason we had opt outs is bc our players are good enough to be high early-round draft picks so they don’t want to risk injury or anything else that hurts their stock
Michigan was on there second and third string
0:31 real mentioned
I want to see other conferences succeed but it is looking like big 10 and sec can get 6-8 teams into the playoff every year the most serious pac 12 teams are now big 10 the most serious big 12 teams are now SEC the ACC fans are trying to say there top teams should do the same at least Clemson fans are saying leave the conference you also have Florida st again though every conference not the Big10 or SEC has two or three programs on a top tier level and they mostly already joined the big two maybe the big 12 gets better maybe we see something like Virginia tech in the 2000s for the ACC but generally big10 and SEC claim at minimum half the playoff spots every year
2:35 South Carolina didn’t have their most important player
The majority of their players played. They were invested, and lost.
Illinois also didn’t have their best player
@ our offense didn’t play very well I don’t what happened
@@graham3641always excuses from South Carolina
Illinois didn't have their best player in pat bryant
Texas isn’t really even sec
It’s bowl games nobody cares about those
A couple of games doesn’t change that the SEC is still dominant. Check out SEC vs other conferences. If NIL and transfers keep up, yea we could have a different landscape very soon.
Hilariously bad use of the word osmosis lol.
Even in a “bad” season like this one, the SEC is still the second best conference.
And in a good season, the SEC is the best by far.
So yes that that is supremacy, when you’re good even at your worst.
Bro doesn’t know what supremacy means
You forgot to mention another SEC win over the Big10 bowl game, where Missouri beat Iowa in the Musuc Ciry Bowl.
That was the only 1, nice try, currently 1-4 vs b1g postseason but cry more
@@mattschwartz7583what did you do with the time you saved typing 1 instead of “one”? Did that time-save help you clean up the mess you made in your pants thinking about how upset this person is going to be when they get told to “cry more” over the results of a sport game between 20-year-old millionaires? Or are you afraid that misspelling “one” will lump you in with the rest of the football fan base that has never touched foot on a college campus?
I think it was omitted because Budge was only talking about games without opt-outs for this video, and while Missouri and Iowa had opt-outs, there weren’t a ton. Missouri’s best WR and Iowa’s RB are very close in draft rankings right now which kinda coincidentally offset those two opt-outs, and a few total defensive players sat out. Obviously both teams were out a key offensive production tool so I could see why it would be tossed as a boring opt-out bowl game, but opt-outs did about the same damage to both teams (unlike some other games where teams like Arkansas had their entire backup defense in against Texas tech and still won) and the overall damage was minimal. Neither Missouri nor Iowa were shouting for a playoffs bid down the stretch either, which put less of a spotlight on the game than Bama, SC, and Ole Miss’ games.
Love u Mr. Budge
The SEC hasn’t been the best conference since 2021. Pac 12 was better in 2022 and 2023.
Big 10 is the best conference this year
??? Brother
Sec had 5 out of the top ten teams in 2023, and 3 out of the top 6 teams AND the championship in 2022. What are you even talking about
nothing about what you just said was remotely true
ILL
Not other conference team has legitimately beaten an sec team in over 200 years!
This is easily the most ignorant, most brain dead devoid of common sense statement ever to be uttered or typed in human history. Congratulations, you've accomplished a never before reached milestone.
acting like athletics in general have existed since the declaration of Independence☠☠☠
The top of the Big Ten may be better than the top of the SEC this year, but the Big 10 is lucky that Purdue, Northwestern, Maryland, and UCLA didn’t have to play in bowl games. Top to bottom, the SEC may still be better than
Exactly - todays SEC is similar to what the Big10 had in the past
I would agree that the bottom of the SEC is probably still slightly better but it's not by a ton. Mississippi State and Kentucky are horrible. Auburn lost to a pretty horrible Cal team. Even Oklahoma and Vandy had great wins but Oklahoma's offense was really bad all year and Vandy's loss to Georgia State is probably one of the worst losses from a P4 team this season.
This is a dumb comment. Of course bad teams would lose bowl games. Do you seriously think Mississippi State, Kentucky or Auburn would have won bowl games either?
@@Hockeywizard5577 What I’m saying is the mid-bottom SEC teams are better the the mid-bottom Big 10 teams
@NikolaiG8 I dont know how you could even saw the mid tier teams are better than the big tens. our mid tier teams are being the SEC top tiers, and most of their mid-tier. However bottom tier, I'll give you that one. Granted purdue has always been horrible at football. They have that one year they do good, a few upsets, then after that back to being a ghost for 3 or 4 years.
The reason the SEC gets so much flack is because people are burnt out of seeing the same thing over and over again. The SEC had an extreme down year and, naturally, people are quick to call it overrated. But if you look at the past 20 years or so, it's a different story. The SEC has dominated college football for a while and people want something new. It's the same as people getting sick of Tom Brady winning Super Bowls or Aaron Rodgers winning MVPs in the NFL. Even in other sports, we've seen people get tired of hearing about Lebron James or Michael Jordan or Lionel Messi over and over again. It's totally reasonable. This season offered a nice twist with the SEC struggling to compete against other conferences and people are quick to latch onto it.
But people who want to say the Big 10 was the best conference this year are lying to themselves. Sure, Oregon, OSU, and PSU had good seasons, but Indiana was incredibly overrated and the conference also has teams like Purdue, Wisconsin, Iowa, Maryland, Michigan State, Minnesota, Nebraska, Northwestern, Ruthers, UCLA, USC, and Washington. It's a mid conference with a high ceiling and an extremely low floor.
So you want to talk about history then? Those teams you listed as mid are HISTORICALLY defensive powerhouses. They also play tons of hard in-conference games. Minnesota only has 1 non-conference loss. Iowa only has 1 (to their rival Iowa State). Nebraska has NONE and has even beat teams like Colorado and kept things close against good teams like Ohio State. Michigan on its DOWN YEAR still has one of the best defenses in the country. USC has played close games to good teams all season (PSU, ND), and are historically an amazing team, but we’ve seen how its record reflects being in the B10, as they much like the other mid teams you listed only have 1 out-of-conference loss. USC also beat LSU. Overall before bowl games B10 was 5-4 against SEC teams, and that gap has only grown with the postseason. Purdue is shit tho I’ll give you that
@ I was referring to the Big Ten this year lmao