@@Geronimo_Jehoshaphat yeah it's in the making of Aliens. There was enormous stress on Horner to deliver on a really tight deadline. They both realised life is too short after the stress of making Aliens.
@@paulkingdesign5928 Horner was known to not suffer fools lightly when it came to the conditions for how he was able to properly contribute the fruits of his talent as a matter of respect he demanded for the toil of his unrivalled musical craft so astutely infused with such a sublimely refined articulated pronouncement of nuts-&-bolts cinematic storytelling acumen. Most notoriously, Horner publicly vocalized exasperation with director Terrence Malick (and regretfully vowed to never work with him again), at being essentially decieved into scoring a movie ("The New World") which went totally off script from the project Horner was inspired to complement when he agreed to sign on. Horner considered all his painstaking researching, assembling and crafting of an elegant approach at musically uplifting the romantic narrative (as scripted) to ultimately be a total wash. Dejected after either having to see his meticulous work completely contorted or discarded in favor of mercurial director Malick whimsically following his flippantly fickle imprivisational muse into a post-production hell that squarely made Horner's wasted contributions its casualty with utmost ruthless indifference. Although Horner apparently felt the price and autonomy was enough respect to deliver a last minute score replacement in mere days for his "Perfect Storm" director Wolfgang Petersen on "Troy" after composer Gabriel Yared's long toiled efforts were rejected as unfit. And Horner made no bones about stating that Yared's approach was inept to the needs of the film for pleasing contemporary audiences. Horner also made no bones about feeling betrayed when Wolfgang Petersen didn't ask him to score "Poseidon" after he so successfully compromised to pinch hit for him on "Troy" as a personal favor - and despite Horner having famously already scored the most acclaimed giant ship disaster movie in cinematic history with "Titanic" - and winning all the most prestigious industry awards for his aptness in enhancing such a story so enthrallingly with sonic layers of visceral dramatic tension and emotional resonance. I'm a bit of a film music connoisseur and aficionado. Despite some cannibalistic tendencies - or even outright plagairistic at times - James Horner is perhaps the greatest composer to truly understand the entire artform of cinema at every department's fundamental task - and how to beautfully weave his music into the pretextual/subtectual/contextual tapestry of a narrative and scene which may otherwise be lacking to quite so convincingly convey that particularly needed aspect unto itself. Hans Zimmer also has this rare gift, although he boldly compensates for his classical deficiencies with audacious pop collaborations which reinvent his signatures every few years to remain the milieux most relevant mastermind. John Williams for instance is the epitome example of a truly great film composer who does not realize when the complexity and saturation of his musical accompaniment is actively smothering to undermine the film's ability to breath in an authentic manner. Luckily, Williams had the wunderkind Spielberg to finally distinguish himself under. Overall, I'd call Jerry Goldsmith the G.O.A.T. - he despised Horner by-the-way, but it seems that was more of a personal grievance regarding Horner claiming to have dated Goldsmith's daughter (which Jerry apparently disputed, and I suppose regarded Horner as an snotty nosed opportunist who exploited the good name of Goldsmith to backdoor himself into elite circles, yet unearned). If such a subject interest you to read about. Obviously it interest me enough to write and opine way more than solicited, lol.
Alien and Aliens were extremely different films. I prefer the horror and character development of Alien, but I also enjoy the frenetic action in Aliens. I am glad that both were made.
Aliens had a bigger body count but because the marines killed far more bugs it does make the previous seem like a horror film opposed to the war games of Aliens.
Aliens was poorly written, evidently Cameron has little understanding of military culture. They would not have had such a small force in confronting the aliens. Also robotic technology would have been greatly expanded than seen in the movie. Robot drones, with a wide variety of sensors as well as weapons that could have obviated the loss of life seen in the movie. Also there would have been soldiers remaining on the main ship , so that if nuclear weapons needed to be used against a target on the ground, it could be determined by cooler heads than those trapped on a planet. The soldiers would also have better armor and weapons than what was shown in the movie. Again, robotics would have much to account for this. The military wouldn’t have sent such a small group of soldiers to capture such a potentially dangerous creature. The military does not unnecessarily risk their highly and expensively trained soldiers.
@@clinttaylor4032 With all due respect ,our military is going DOWN hill right now so this could be a proper result. Especially if it's a hundred years from now.
Alien is arguably the greatest horror movie ever made, while Aliens is arguably the greatest action film ever made. Both are among the goats of sci-fi films. What an incredible one-two punch they make.
Hmmm I mostly agree with this statement, it's a tie for me between T2 and Aliens, they are of the same calibur and both are Cameron bangerz, so I dunno.
Honestly Aliens is fun and all but has nothing on other action flicks, imo T2 still holds the title for best action flick. Besides that, I'd say the Raid movies are prob the 2nd best in terms of fight choreography
Actually literally just finished rewatching Aliens after watching this video and it's still amazing obv, but I won't deny that seeing xenos get mowed down by machine gun fire for the 20th time in a row gets repetitive
What Ilove with that first scene where they enter Ripleys lifeboat is the small detail of the harpoon gun still jammed at the bottom of the hatch. Amazing detail easily over seen
I saw alien followed by aliens when I was maybe 6 years old with my father. I wasn't born till the mid '80s, so I had to wait till around 1990 to watch them. Remember being so scared and covering my face with a pillow when the alien was on screen and then peeking out catching brief glimpses of gore. I remember that experience very fondly and to this day alien, aliens and the 1980 version of the thing are my favorite horror movies. I had a few nightmares as a child over it, but I remember keeping quiet has to not have the privilege of watching horror movies taken away from me. What's funny about it is when I watch these movies today I can still remember exactly how that pillow felt on my face and how it smelled. Father looking over at me smiling checking to see if I was ok. He's long gone now, but whenever I watch horror movies I can remember his smile and hear his voice gently teasing me for being afraid as if it was just yesterday.
I saw Alien with my father, we both enjoyed Star Trek, Star Wars and the Buck Rogers movie. We thought this would just be a sci - fi movie but mom knew better, and so dad snuck me into this R rated film under her nose lol. I had to swear not to tell her. Jump to Aliens, after they divorced and for a while I lived with mom. We saw Aliens together because she was a big Sigourney Weaver fan and loved her in Ghostbusters. I was obviously older, so she was cool with seeing a horror movie with me. We loved it. She loved the maternal undertones with Newt, Ripley and Mama Alien 👽 ♥. My dad died just before C19. Sorry for the novella but your post stirred it and I just had to share. RIP, dads.
Wow. The difference is astounding. I feel as if this is one of those instances where producer, director, and writer actually coalesced into a widely beloved film. However I can't help but think how different the alien universe would be if Cameron's treatment was the cannon. I love the franchise and your content rocks. Thank you for your work.
Yes but without James Cameron's game-changing skills with 3D 3D cinematography, it wouldnt be as perfect as it is. His craft isnt just apparent in Avatar. It is featured in all of Cameron's masterpieces
It was an amazing hour and a half. It felt like I was almost watching an alternate version. Thanks for taking the time to put this together, it's much appreciated.
i understand why they cut the ripley seeing her daughter scene for time but leaving it in would explain more why ripley so easily bonds with and is so protective of newt
I agree: “Happy birthday.” Isn’t as impactful as “you always were an asshole, Goreman.” As Vasquez hands him a grenade and they clasp each other in almost a forgiving redemption between Vasquez and Goreman. I don’t think the final film sequences could be any better than the Vasquez/Goreman death scene we have, know, and love.
And I particularly like that in the finished film she's doomed due to fighting a rear guard action to protect the others which slows her down, and he comes back to try to save her. It would have been lame to have him screw up yet again and cause their deaths, in the version we got he gets that bit of redemption much like Hudson did in his own last moments. Sure he was green and fouled things up a lot at first when thrown into a situation he absolutely was not prepared for, and he still wasn't good enough to perform a heroic rescue against overwhelming odds, but he showed courage and caring in making the attempt. And when he pulled out the grenade after realizing there was no chance, that was a final moment worthy of a warrior. It shows that despite his inexperience and initial arrogance, there was the core of a good marine and a good leader in him and in the end he found that strength not even he knew he had.
To put together these two antagonist characters in a death scene was very unexpected. Audiences knew early on that Vasquez had conflicts with Goreman during the film. Redemption for Goreman as he showed bravery by going back for Vasquez and closure for Vasquez in her own way to deal with the adversity she had with Goreman. Very interesting indeed. I need to know more about Vasquez’s past, her back story and where she comes from. Along with Hicks, she was one of my favourite characters.
My late wife said that since the first *_Alien_* film ended with Ripley blowing up a ship, killing an alien and rescuing a cat, and the second ended with Ripley blowing up a mining colony, killing a swarm of aliens and rescuing a child, the third film should have shown her blowing up a planet, the alien homeworld, while rescuing the new Baby Jesus. I'd still like to see that film.
Personally I think an ideal cut of Aliens would include the scene about Ripley's daughter being dead and the remote Turrets on Hadley's Hope but the scene with Newt's family early on was best left on the cutting room floor. It spoils the anticipation about the colony.
Every video here is always a fantastic work of story, editing , and remarkable entertainment. You will find no better source for lore and knowledge about anything Alien than here.
I never thought of Aliens as an action movie, it had great action scenes but the build up to the first encounter and the tension filled characters scenes in between is what I loved about it.
Have any of you played Alien Isolation? I’m playing on PS4 right now and the game is a masterpiece! It really lives up to the the alien franchise. My fav part is how it’s the future but the technology seems to be like 1970s/80s vibe like the first movie. It’s so good!!
One of the best games of all time imo. Glad I didn't listen to the hack IGN review in 2014, they gave it a 5/10 and it's probably part of the reason for lower launch sales and as a result no sequel. Needless to say I stopped watching IGN after that. I'd give my left nut for another alien isolation game
The image of all of the Derelict Eggs hatching at once and attacking the colonists would have been awesome, but definitely waaay too expensive for the time
My favourite character Corporal Hicks. I had hoped his character would have returned for Alien 3 but the comic book adaptions of the Alien lore and universe still depict his adventures with the Xenomorph.
My favorite movie of all time! I went to a director's cut showing in Tempe, Arizona with special guest Lance Henriksen. I spoke to him briefly as he was walking out of the theatre after receiving a award after the viewing. He said to me, it's a cool looking award,isn't it? I simply motioned yes and smiled as he walked by me and my wife. It was awesome!!!
The only issue with this treatment thematically is it doesn't address the whole "humans fucking eachother over for a percentage" theme that was introduced in Alien. Burke was a really important character in that regard as he personified that. I really do wish they had made the Earth War story canon as that was kind of the final manifestation of mankind's greed destroying the planet - complete with corporate executives, religious zealous, and military warlords.
Always cracks me up that lady smoking inside during Ripley’s hearing. Yea, definitely filmed in the ‘80s with no foresight to see smoking restrictions, especially in a “future” sci-fi setting.
Yeah, makes me wonder if kids today regard those scenes the same way I reacted as a child to 1950s sci fi movies showing people traveling to the stars while smoking pipes.
Thank you for making this. You did a fantastic job and it really shows you have the same of love of this franchise as we all do. You put a ton of effort into this. You rock dude.
I think the original idea of Amanda shunning Ripley is actually very interesting and I would have liked to have seen that. It’s hard enough to bear that you’ve outlived your child but knowing that your child is actually still alive and out there but wants nothing to do with you would have been a powerful extra layer of misery for Ripley after her ordeal.
Or, seeing as Ripley is pretty amazing, her daughter COULD just as easily have been a really, really cool, amazing character as well...the idea of her shunning her own long-lost mom is just a cheap way out. She might as well be dead.
@@reesetorwad8346the idea of shunning her ties into Camerons theme of motherhood and the pain that comes with it. Your version does not. Camerons is serving a character purpose. It's not lazy, it's the opposite.
With Amanda later not blaming her mother for being stranded out in space & questioning if the company left her mom out in space for 57 years on purpose.
I never understood why there was dust all over everything when they found Ripley. Interior dust is largely human skin cells and other than her spending very little time awake in that tiny emergency craft, the open hatch would have sucked out every bit of contaminant material
That's brutal how originally she talks to her daughter and she's met with anger and resentment. That would've been a harsh blow to Ripley's character, maybe even harsher than finding out she'd simply died.
Right and in reality it probably would have been best for ripley to just stay away from her daughter altogether at that point Ripley was already a permanent mess after part 1 but there's no point making her DAUGHTER start suffering all over again too after 60 years
Watched bits and pieces of alien and aliens when I was younger just watched them in their entirety, holy crap, some of the best movies I’ve ever watched
Your channel is one of my top 5 favourites on RUclips. Your considered, thoughtful critical thinking coupled with the pitch and tone of your voice seems to have an immensely calming effect on me... 😊 Thank you for your wonderful years of service to this important franchise..
Another awesome vid from Alien Theory. It is good to know that so much of the good stuff in the movie was fleshed out so early in the process. However, I think most, if not all of the changes made good sense both in character development and tying the story together. The point in the original treatment I miss in the movie was the plot about the nerve poison the xenomorphs used, and that the marines had a counter measure. Apart from that changes were for the better, which is often not the case since changes are often made by studio interference or budget restrains, making the story less appealing.
Walter Hill was that old school Hollywood that hasn't existed for about 30 years. It was mostly a pleasure working with those guys. Their knowledge of film meant conversations were always an exchange.
@18:20 That scene with the rescue team in the derelict all getting face huggers would've been horrific but iconic. It would've become one of those classic movie scenes that everyone knows about and mimicked in films and TV for decades later. I can only guess that it was too expensive for Cameron to film.
45:00 if Newt survived for months, she didn't do it absolutely alone. Chest burster gestates for a few hours at most before escaping. Meaning the woman found in the hive still alive wasn't taken until the Sulacco arrived in orbit.
I just got signed up, so now I'm a backer for Aliens Expanded! Thanks for this amazing look into James Cameron's original treatment for the film, it was an interesting view into what could have been and his original vision of what the sequel could have looked like. I'm happy with the way the film ultimately turned out, though I tend to prefer the special edition over the original theatrical release if for no other reason than it just has more cool stuff in it like additional character moments (Ripley's sorrow at finding out Amanda had already passed, Hudson talking about all the weapons they had, Hicks revealing his first name to Ripley right before she went to rescue Newt, etc.), and the cool gun turret scenes. I can see why many of the ideas used in the first treatment didn't make it into the final film or were altered to better fit into the narrative, and overall I think they made the right choices every step of the way. While the original treatment would have still made for a good film, Cameron being the competent and capable director that he is and the cast being the wonderfully talented bunch that they all are, I have to say that I think the way they handled character development and pacing worked better in what we ended up with than it might have otherwise. Still cool to look at what was essentially a first draft of the film and getting to see how Cameron's vision evolved into the great movie we all know and love. Thanks for the great video and stay safe out there!
Agreed. Thank you for giving us such an indept look at James Cameron’s treatment of Aliens. Ever since I’ve come across your channel, eagerly awaiting the arrival of both the upcoming Alien movie and TV series, I have rewatched the first two films extensively. I would like to have seen more of Hadley’s Hope prior to Ripley and the Marines arriving. Although Newt seeing her father with a face hugger attached was telling enough, it would have been satisfying to see parts of the infestation, something now perfectly written about in the novelization called River of Pain. I do appreciate however the atmopsheric suspense of when the Marines arrive and sweep the empty corridors of a silent terraforming complex. It set it up for such a thrill ride that my mind just kept wondering about the fate of the colonists. One of the best sci-fi sequel films ever made to compliment Ridley Scott’s Alien.
YO AP, I had four guys listening to this while we brought up a Power station today lol. I was about to put on my headphones and they were like HEY DUDE, WE'RE ALL LISTENING TO THAT!!! Sent us down a rabbit hole talking about Aliens for about 12 hours LOL. * FYI these jerks are calling me APONE now 🤣* Gonna take em to Ryushi tomorrow!
26:55 Just a note. The Derelict model used in Aliens was the same one from Alien. Bob held onto it, along with the Narcissus model. If not for that, that scene would have been cut before it was even filmed.
@@PurrsPlace I believe I saw it on the Alien Quad extra features. He also held onto the Sulaco which was then repainted for Alien 3. Same for the queen seen in Alien Resurrection, which was later returned to him, and if i'm not mistaken he had repainted back to its original colors.
This was a great 1st sequel, I read the novelization of the story before seeing the movie for the 1st time. I remember being disappointed that the sentry guns were excluded from the theatrical cut. The stinger at the end of the warrior's tail was in the book and was how Goreman was originally incapacitated. This was fun to hear and I loved the artwork! Thanks for sharing!
It'd be funny if Amanda Ripley WERE still alive. Ellen: I'm sorry daughter, you have no idea what I ran into... Amanda: Wow mom, do I have a story for you!
I like how they addressed that the colony has shuttle craft of its own but in the film this is never mentioned. Its hard to believe the colonists were living there with no ships of their own.
James is a really gifted storyteller and director. I really enjoyed his movies. He's not always the easiest to work with but then again, perfectionists and great directors are always very particular and demanding. I'm looking forward to Avatar 2. Also wish he can do Alita 2.
To think he wrote this in 3 freaking days is unbelievably insane. The man is truly a creative genius. Its so awesome that we all had the opportunity to enjoy his work of true art. Bravo James Cameron!
Too much exposition, and too much bitterness from Ripley's daughter, who would long ago have been told that the ship was lost with all crew and should have been glad to see her mother survive. The 'you abandoned me' thing doesn't ring true, and I think killing her off and having Ripley regret what could have been was better. I think the exposition is necessary in a first draft, and it's interesting to read as back-story, but I'm pleased they turned out the film they actually did. That being said, the more I think about it, the more surprised I am that in over 20 years of the colony being in existence, nobody stumbled across the ship. I suspect that either the warning beacon had stopped functioning (or the colony, or the ships that brought it there, would have picked it up) or that it had been deactivated (which is what's hinted at in Foster's novelization, but in the novel they find the beacon without finding the pilot; in the film, the opposite is the case). 55:28 If the destruction of the derelict ship was in an early treatment that was discarded, it's not canon. I always thought it was weird that Ripley should wonder who's laying the eggs for all the colonists when earlier in the film she describes the derelict as holding "thousands of eggs". Naturally it would make sense for the aliens to raise a queen in a more convenient position, but it still feels like a slip in continuity.
I think there’s a weird unspoken/unexplored idea there (not counting the prequel movies, which made things worse or anything from comics/novels). The idea of a queen didn’t exist during the first movie, so your mind could run wherever it wanted to where those eggs came from and why they are being stored there. But when the idea of a queen was created for Aliens, it makes you wonder if the ship had a queen that was forced to make eggs. Perhaps not on the ship itself, but from wherever the planet they came from. Yea. It’s a weird retconning thing that can go in so many places.
@@Cargo_Bay The existence of an Alien queen on its planet of origin doesn't clash with the idea of the pilot of that ship picking up gazillions of eggs and flying them somewhere for some reason. Then again, even the Alien queen isn't a necessity given that solitary wasps etc. exist, and the basic alien reproductive biology (lay your eggs in a living host that nurtures them and provides food) is very clearly derived from the wasp.
The entire egg cargo area in the derelict never made sense as being part of the ship. It simple appears to large as its cavern seems to run off endlessly into the distance. To my eyes is looks more like a cavern that is under the ship.
As an amateur writer, I find it very interesting how Cameron managed to take many little scenes that in this treatment feel a bit unimportant and disjointed, and change their position to "squeeze" them into more important scenes (for example, Vasquez joking with Ripley in two separate occasions is perfectly integrated into Gorman's briefing, saving a lot of time). Also, whenever possible Cameron integrated dialogue with physical action: in the original treatment Ripley mistrusting Ash is flat and boring, 'cause it's only dialogue, but having Ripley throw away Bishop's food is much more telling and cinematic. It could be a silent movie, and you'd still perfectly understand the message "I don't want your help, and I don' trust your peace offer".
yeah it's like he has some puzzle pieces and keep composing them in different sequence. The end result is the more or less the same, but overall give a complete different picture. I found Ripley "last idea" really beyond any sane brain can make. She really think "out of the box" there while it's too much a gamble to bet on athropine and drugs to neutralize the paralyzing venom of the Xenomorphs. I'm really glad to who put together this video.
@@TakumiFujiwara80, I actually believe there's still a remnant of that idea in the final film. Right after the battle in the hive, Vasquez suggests taking their supply of nerve gas and rolling it into the hive. Hicks responds by saying it would be a good try, but they have no idea if that would actually work on the Xenomorphs. So that's a neat little tidbit.
I love the aspect of Ripley being in the situation of wanting to ignore quarantine procedures for her own benefit, when Bishop denies to pick her of from the planet - opposite from what she would have done in “Alien” - goes to show that if tables were (are) turned, taking the moral high ground and keeping sound and rational mind is difficult in a stressful situation. I love the duality of this in the early treatment!
Wow! What a great telling of the "treatment" that James Cameron proposed. So very well done with the scenes of the Aliens movie shown as the narration of the Alien 2 story was told. Nicely Done! This was really great Thanks for this!
Excellent presentation. Thank you for this! I would have really enjoyed seeing the drone xenomorphs in the film. If we're lucky, maybe we'll see them at some point in the future. I absolutely do not like the idea of a warrior having an embryo implanting organ inside its chest. If that was the case, what reason would there be for an egg-laying queen to exist? Keep up the fantastic job you're dong with this channel! You got my day off to an excellent start!
The clear information that the Aliens ARE Intelligent would have been better. In the movie, I had no idea that the Aliens we saw in the hive WEREN'T the typical Aliens. I assumed they backed off because the Queen ordered them to.
Not sure if I like this version better as it is first time I heard it, or is it really slightly better in relation to the movie. Either way I like both. Thanks for creating and uploading this
Great video. There were so many iconic characters in this movie - Hudson and Vasquez especially. I loved the elaboration in the alien hive, the introduction of the albino drones (though I think they were mentioned in the novelization. I always imagined drones as being more akin to the facehugger, though bigger and more evolved. Glad I could see this.
Amazing narration of this proto-script. Thank you. Two things I like from this that I wish made it into the movie: Hudson’s radioed description of what he saw while cocooned, and Bishop’s refusing to save them because of corporate protocol.
Aliens is my favourite out of all the Alien films. It's also one of my top 5 favourite films. I love learning as much as possible about the films I enjoy and I like to theorise things in my own head too. The thing I think about most with Aliens is "What if more Marines survived the initial attack?" or "What if different marines survived?" So I like in this draft that a couple of extra marines came back and I also like that Gorman is there the entire time until his death. i always felt sorry for Gorman in some ways, he is in over his head but he is still a trained marine. He just didn't have the confidence to lead a team.
I see that this was posted a year ago. I guess I need to go to your home page and see what other Easter Alien eggs I haven't found. Thank you for this video! I like your narration and learning more new things about the Alien mythology. I would love to see the Alien drones in live action.
I think I prefer the extended cut & the film as it turned out, & that scene where Ripley fought the Queen has to be one of the greatest 1 on 1 fight scenes in any movie & still gives me a thrill, thanks for making this video, I really didn't think I'd make it to the end, but am glad I did.
I just realised, after 40 years, that Burke sent Nute's family to the location of the Derelict after Ripley told them about it! 😂 That's what Ripley meant by 'You sent them there didn't you!'
Oh I didn’t catch that but that’s obviously the most likely implication. I thought Ripley meant a general “you sold the company on a secret project that sent a bunch of colonists to their death, just to make a percentage!!” Same general outcome either way but the Newt tie-in brings it closer to home.
@@Bluecedor Yeah I always assumed the same as you and that's the line that popped into my head when I thought, wait a minute, does she mean that Burke Sent Nute's Parents to the coordinates?
In an Alien RPG campaign I ran decades ago, I postulated that Ripley lied in her report about the engineer ship's location and that the Jordan's discovery of it was a timely fluke. The lie coordinates laid within the blast radius of the processor while the true location was comfortably outside of it revealing that it was still there against many assumptions.
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Bill Paxton was awesome in 'Aliens'. May he rest in peace.
His game was over way too soon. RIP Bill Paxton.
Awesome at directing too FRAILTY
The legend. Only actor to be killed by a Pred, Alien and Terminator. RIP
One of my favourite actors.. never fails to make me laugh in Aliens and True Lies
Bill was awesome in everything he did an absolute legend.
R.I.P to James Horner. He did a brilliant job on the soundtrack.
Apparently Horner and Cameron butted heads on Aliens. Eventually I guess they realized they make a good team and made nice for Titanic and Avatar.
@@Geronimo_Jehoshaphat yeah it's in the making of Aliens. There was enormous stress on Horner to deliver on a really tight deadline. They both realised life is too short after the stress of making Aliens.
Is there *anyone* James Cameron hasn't butted heads with?
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Suzy Amis maybe, lol.
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Horner was known to not suffer fools lightly when it came to the conditions for how he was able to properly contribute the fruits of his talent as a matter of respect he demanded for the toil of his unrivalled musical craft so astutely infused with such a sublimely refined articulated pronouncement of nuts-&-bolts cinematic storytelling acumen.
Most notoriously, Horner publicly vocalized exasperation with director Terrence Malick (and regretfully vowed to never work with him again), at being essentially decieved into scoring a movie ("The New World") which went totally off script from the project Horner was inspired to complement when he agreed to sign on. Horner considered all his painstaking researching, assembling and crafting of an elegant approach at musically uplifting the romantic narrative (as scripted) to ultimately be a total wash. Dejected after either having to see his meticulous work completely contorted or discarded in favor of mercurial director Malick whimsically following his flippantly fickle imprivisational muse into a post-production hell that squarely made Horner's wasted contributions its casualty with utmost ruthless indifference.
Although Horner apparently felt the price and autonomy was enough respect to deliver a last minute score replacement in mere days for his "Perfect Storm" director Wolfgang Petersen on "Troy" after composer Gabriel Yared's long toiled efforts were rejected as unfit. And Horner made no bones about stating that Yared's approach was inept to the needs of the film for pleasing contemporary audiences.
Horner also made no bones about feeling betrayed when Wolfgang Petersen didn't ask him to score "Poseidon" after he so successfully compromised to pinch hit for him on "Troy" as a personal favor - and despite Horner having famously already scored the most acclaimed giant ship disaster movie in cinematic history with "Titanic" - and winning all the most prestigious industry awards for his aptness in enhancing such a story so enthrallingly with sonic layers of visceral dramatic tension and emotional resonance.
I'm a bit of a film music connoisseur and aficionado. Despite some cannibalistic tendencies - or even outright plagairistic at times - James Horner is perhaps the greatest composer to truly understand the entire artform of cinema at every department's fundamental task - and how to beautfully weave his music into the pretextual/subtectual/contextual tapestry of a narrative and scene which may otherwise be lacking to quite so convincingly convey that particularly needed aspect unto itself. Hans Zimmer also has this rare gift, although he boldly compensates for his classical deficiencies with audacious pop collaborations which reinvent his signatures every few years to remain the milieux most relevant mastermind. John Williams for instance is the epitome example of a truly great film composer who does not realize when the complexity and saturation of his musical accompaniment is actively smothering to undermine the film's ability to breath in an authentic manner. Luckily, Williams had the wunderkind Spielberg to finally distinguish himself under. Overall, I'd call Jerry Goldsmith the G.O.A.T. - he despised Horner by-the-way, but it seems that was more of a personal grievance regarding Horner claiming to have dated Goldsmith's daughter (which Jerry apparently disputed, and I suppose regarded Horner as an snotty nosed opportunist who exploited the good name of Goldsmith to backdoor himself into elite circles, yet unearned).
If such a subject interest you to read about. Obviously it interest me enough to write and opine way more than solicited, lol.
Alien and Aliens were extremely different films. I prefer the horror and character development of Alien, but I also enjoy the frenetic action in Aliens. I am glad that both were made.
I like Corporal Dwayne hicks (Mike biehn)
All of them were Alien was basically Haunted House type, Aliens an Action Hero one … 👽
Aliens had a bigger body count but because the marines killed far more bugs it does make the previous seem like a horror film opposed to the war games of Aliens.
Aliens was poorly written, evidently Cameron has little understanding of military culture. They would not have had such a small force in confronting the aliens. Also robotic technology would have been greatly expanded than seen in the movie. Robot drones, with a wide variety of sensors as well as weapons that could have obviated the loss of life seen in the movie. Also there would have been soldiers remaining on the main ship , so that if nuclear weapons needed to be used against a target on the ground, it could be determined by cooler heads than those trapped on a planet. The soldiers would also have better armor and weapons than what was shown in the movie. Again, robotics would have much to account for this. The military wouldn’t have sent such a small group of soldiers to capture such a potentially dangerous creature. The military does not unnecessarily risk their highly and expensively trained soldiers.
@@clinttaylor4032 With all due respect ,our military is going DOWN hill right now so this could be a proper result. Especially if it's a hundred years from now.
Alien is arguably the greatest horror movie ever made, while Aliens is arguably the greatest action film ever made. Both are among the goats of sci-fi films. What an incredible one-two punch they make.
Preach on Brother G.
Hmmm I mostly agree with this statement, it's a tie for me between T2 and Aliens, they are of the same calibur and both are Cameron bangerz, so I dunno.
Honestly Aliens is fun and all but has nothing on other action flicks, imo T2 still holds the title for best action flick. Besides that, I'd say the Raid movies are prob the 2nd best in terms of fight choreography
Actually literally just finished rewatching Aliens after watching this video and it's still amazing obv, but I won't deny that seeing xenos get mowed down by machine gun fire for the 20th time in a row gets repetitive
I think the thing has beat it hands down but all the sequels of alien are very good unlike most films that has 1;2;3;4 etc
What Ilove with that first scene where they enter Ripleys lifeboat is the small detail of the harpoon gun still jammed at the bottom of the hatch. Amazing detail easily over seen
I‘ve never seen this before 🤔
I saw alien followed by aliens when I was maybe 6 years old with my father. I wasn't born till the mid '80s, so I had to wait till around 1990 to watch them. Remember being so scared and covering my face with a pillow when the alien was on screen and then peeking out catching brief glimpses of gore. I remember that experience very fondly and to this day alien, aliens and the 1980 version of the thing are my favorite horror movies. I had a few nightmares as a child over it, but I remember keeping quiet has to not have the privilege of watching horror movies taken away from me.
What's funny about it is when I watch these movies today I can still remember exactly how that pillow felt on my face and how it smelled. Father looking over at me smiling checking to see if I was ok. He's long gone now, but whenever I watch horror movies I can remember his smile and hear his voice gently teasing me for being afraid as if it was just yesterday.
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I saw Alien with my father, we both enjoyed Star Trek, Star Wars and the Buck Rogers movie. We thought this would just be a sci - fi movie but mom knew better, and so dad snuck me into this R rated film under her nose lol. I had to swear not to tell her. Jump to Aliens, after they divorced and for a while I lived with mom. We saw Aliens together because she was a big Sigourney Weaver fan and loved her in Ghostbusters. I was obviously older, so she was cool with seeing a horror movie with me. We loved it. She loved the maternal undertones with Newt, Ripley and Mama Alien 👽 ♥. My dad died just before C19. Sorry for the novella but your post stirred it and I just had to share. RIP, dads.
Thank you for sharing this wonderful memory of your father with us!
Somebody wake up Hicks
Wow. The difference is astounding. I feel as if this is one of those instances where producer, director, and writer actually coalesced into a widely beloved film. However I can't help but think how different the alien universe would be if Cameron's treatment was the cannon.
I love the franchise and your content rocks. Thank you for your work.
Yes but without James Cameron's game-changing skills with 3D 3D cinematography, it wouldnt be as perfect as it is. His craft isnt just apparent in Avatar. It is featured in all of Cameron's masterpieces
This takes me back to when Cameron made good movies.
It was an amazing hour and a half. It felt like I was almost watching an alternate version. Thanks for taking the time to put this together, it's much appreciated.
i understand why they cut the ripley seeing her daughter scene for time
but leaving it in would explain more why ripley so easily bonds with and is so protective of newt
In the extended edition, Ripley does see a picture of her daughter, who had passed away.
Just got power back after Hurricane Ian. This is the perfect come back. Thanks dude.
Hope you and yours are safe
I agree: “Happy birthday.” Isn’t as impactful as “you always were an asshole, Goreman.” As Vasquez hands him a grenade and they clasp each other in almost a forgiving redemption between Vasquez and Goreman. I don’t think the final film sequences could be any better than the Vasquez/Goreman death scene we have, know, and love.
And I particularly like that in the finished film she's doomed due to fighting a rear guard action to protect the others which slows her down, and he comes back to try to save her. It would have been lame to have him screw up yet again and cause their deaths, in the version we got he gets that bit of redemption much like Hudson did in his own last moments. Sure he was green and fouled things up a lot at first when thrown into a situation he absolutely was not prepared for, and he still wasn't good enough to perform a heroic rescue against overwhelming odds, but he showed courage and caring in making the attempt. And when he pulled out the grenade after realizing there was no chance, that was a final moment worthy of a warrior. It shows that despite his inexperience and initial arrogance, there was the core of a good marine and a good leader in him and in the end he found that strength not even he knew he had.
To put together these two antagonist characters in a death scene was very unexpected. Audiences knew early on that Vasquez had conflicts with Goreman during the film. Redemption for Goreman as he showed bravery by going back for Vasquez and closure for Vasquez in her own way to deal with the adversity she had with Goreman. Very interesting indeed. I need to know more about Vasquez’s past, her back story and where she comes from. Along with Hicks, she was one of my favourite characters.
My late wife said that since the first *_Alien_* film ended with Ripley blowing up a ship, killing an alien and rescuing a cat, and the second ended with Ripley blowing up a mining colony, killing a swarm of aliens and rescuing a child, the third film should have shown her blowing up a planet, the alien homeworld, while rescuing the new Baby Jesus.
I'd still like to see that film.
What a hoot! I think I like your wife :)
@@mlbreel She was a lot of fun.
Good kisser, too.
@@arcadiaberger9204 fun, a good kisser and a bright mind! I’m certain she was quite remarkable! :)
@@mlbreel Thirty-two years were not enough. Damn cancer!
Still, I am grateful for what I was granted.
If Disney gets their hands on it she will be a Black Lesbian with a penis.
Personally I think an ideal cut of Aliens would include the scene about Ripley's daughter being dead and the remote Turrets on Hadley's Hope but the scene with Newt's family early on was best left on the cutting room floor. It spoils the anticipation about the colony.
Every video here is always a fantastic work of story, editing , and remarkable entertainment. You will find no better source for lore and knowledge about anything Alien than here.
Subscriber count is in lockstep with your observations.
An AMAZING video. And WHAT an editing job. How much time did it take to put this together? You’ve done a real service to Alien fans. Many thanks.
Thank you very much! This took about a month to put together.
@@AlienTheory I take my hat off to you
@@AlienTheory you have the best Alien channel out here on yt. I'm watching this again for the 5th time.
He's been a go to first Choice for his channel.
I never thought of Aliens as an action movie, it had great action scenes but the build up to the first encounter and the tension filled characters scenes in between is what I loved about it.
In this original draft even Gorman is seen as more competent. He and others were dumbed down in the final script in order to prop Ridley more.
Have any of you played Alien Isolation? I’m playing on PS4 right now and the game is a masterpiece! It really lives up to the the alien franchise. My fav part is how it’s the future but the technology seems to be like 1970s/80s vibe like the first movie. It’s so good!!
Best Alien game ever made
Naw too boring
Real men need lots of action
@@Dreadeyeknight you kind of sound like a child though
@@ttrestle 🤣🤣
One of the best games of all time imo. Glad I didn't listen to the hack IGN review in 2014, they gave it a 5/10 and it's probably part of the reason for lower launch sales and as a result no sequel. Needless to say I stopped watching IGN after that. I'd give my left nut for another alien isolation game
The image of all of the Derelict Eggs hatching at once and attacking the colonists would have been awesome, but definitely waaay too expensive for the time
Crazy to think we can just have a scene like that in a video game because in-game graphics are good enough for that now.
Here's hoping.
But also it would be a waste… extra facehuggers ultimately dying if there aren’t enough hosts… it think the one-for-one is nature being efficient.
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No dude smh
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Michael Biehn was the ultimate bad ass hero around this time. Terminator and Aliens! Two of my favorite characters ever!
My favourite character Corporal Hicks. I had hoped his character would have returned for Alien 3 but the comic book adaptions of the Alien lore and universe still depict his adventures with the Xenomorph.
Hicks and Kyle Reese are my two favorite 80s movie characters
Truth!
A fitting replacement for James Remar.
even inspired Solid Snake
My favorite movie of all time!
I went to a director's cut showing in Tempe, Arizona with special guest Lance Henriksen.
I spoke to him briefly as he was walking out of the theatre after receiving a award after the viewing. He said to me, it's a cool looking award,isn't it? I simply motioned yes and smiled as he walked by me and my wife.
It was awesome!!!
The only issue with this treatment thematically is it doesn't address the whole "humans fucking eachother over for a percentage" theme that was introduced in Alien. Burke was a really important character in that regard as he personified that. I really do wish they had made the Earth War story canon as that was kind of the final manifestation of mankind's greed destroying the planet - complete with corporate executives, religious zealous, and military warlords.
Always cracks me up that lady smoking inside during Ripley’s hearing. Yea, definitely filmed in the ‘80s with no foresight to see smoking restrictions, especially in a “future” sci-fi setting.
“Smoking or non-smoking?”
“What the hell are you talking about, Hudson?”
Sigourney Weaver smokes inside the laboratory in Avatar. That's the hardest part for me to believe in a movie with blue aliens.
It's HUNDREDS of years in the future dude
By then they probably will find someway to make all cigarette smoke harmless
Possibly even GOOD for you
Yeah, makes me wonder if kids today regard those scenes the same way I reacted as a child to 1950s sci fi movies showing people traveling to the stars while smoking pipes.
Thank you for making this. You did a fantastic job and it really shows you have the same of love of this franchise as we all do. You put a ton of effort into this. You rock dude.
I think the original idea of Amanda shunning Ripley is actually very interesting and I would have liked to have seen that. It’s hard enough to bear that you’ve outlived your child but knowing that your child is actually still alive and out there but wants nothing to do with you would have been a powerful extra layer of misery for Ripley after her ordeal.
Exactly what I thought when I saw that part
Or, seeing as Ripley is pretty amazing, her daughter COULD just as easily have been a really, really cool, amazing character as well...the idea of her shunning her own long-lost mom is just a cheap way out. She might as well be dead.
@@reesetorwad8346the idea of shunning her ties into Camerons theme of motherhood and the pain that comes with it.
Your version does not. Camerons is serving a character purpose. It's not lazy, it's the opposite.
With Amanda later not blaming her mother for being stranded out in space & questioning if the company left her mom out in space for 57 years on purpose.
I never understood why there was dust all over everything when they found Ripley. Interior dust is largely human skin cells and other than her spending very little time awake in that tiny emergency craft, the open hatch would have sucked out every bit of contaminant material
You did an amazing job with this video! I love James Cameron, he's got a helluva mind
I really love the call back of Bishop following Quarantine procedures just like Ridley did in ALIEN.
Rest in Peace Bill Paxton… he‘ll be remembered and seen in this movie as long as movies exist.
Great video as always. My daughter was born today and I contributed to the documentary funding!
Congratulations mate 🎊
Welcome to the world, little chestburster!
Congratulation sir
That's brutal how originally she talks to her daughter and she's met with anger and resentment. That would've been a harsh blow to Ripley's character, maybe even harsher than finding out she'd simply died.
Right and in reality it probably would have been best for ripley to just stay away from her daughter altogether at that point
Ripley was already a permanent mess after part 1 but there's no point making her DAUGHTER start suffering all over again too after 60 years
Alien and Aliens are two fantastic back to back viewing films !
Watched bits and pieces of alien and aliens when I was younger just watched them in their entirety, holy crap, some of the best movies I’ve ever watched
I cannot tell you how much of a privilege it was to see this movie when it came out in the theaters. Such a great time to be a teenager.
I bet! I'm hoping for one of those random showing Regal Cinemas do. Or any franchise for the matter.
Your channel is one of my top 5 favourites on RUclips. Your considered, thoughtful critical thinking coupled with the pitch and tone of your voice seems to have an immensely calming effect on me... 😊 Thank you for your wonderful years of service to this important franchise..
Your kind words truly mean a lot to me. Thank you very much.
An absolute joy listening to this. Thank you so much, AT!
Aliens a masterpiece sequel from the Brilliant mind of James Cameron
It’s probably the most watched film i have watched. It never gets boring or dull… piece of movie history!
Another awesome vid from Alien Theory. It is good to know that so much of the good stuff in the movie was fleshed out so early in the process. However, I think most, if not all of the changes made good sense both in character development and tying the story together. The point in the original treatment I miss in the movie was the plot about the nerve poison the xenomorphs used, and that the marines had a counter measure. Apart from that changes were for the better, which is often not the case since changes are often made by studio interference or budget restrains, making the story less appealing.
James Cameron would've made an awesome Starship Trooper series.
I always love these long form videos. I could listen to you read the phone book all day lol.
I'm here for this one!!!! While watching this I just put on my Aliens Directors cut on. I live for anything this channel posts. 💚💚💚💚💚💚💚
Walter Hill was that old school Hollywood that hasn't existed for about 30 years. It was mostly a pleasure working with those guys. Their knowledge of film meant conversations were always an exchange.
Absolute legend for doing this well edited vid. Yet another reason why I’ve always liked and subscribed.
This was great, what a lovely production you put to the Original Treatment document. Bravo.
@18:20 That scene with the rescue team in the derelict all getting face huggers would've been horrific but iconic. It would've become one of those classic movie scenes that everyone knows about and mimicked in films and TV for decades later.
I can only guess that it was too expensive for Cameron to film.
Yeah, that's literally the only part I wish would have made it into the final version (or at least the director's cut or whatever)
45:00 if Newt survived for months, she didn't do it absolutely alone.
Chest burster gestates for a few hours at most before escaping. Meaning the woman found in the hive still alive wasn't taken until the Sulacco arrived in orbit.
I just got signed up, so now I'm a backer for Aliens Expanded! Thanks for this amazing look into James Cameron's original treatment for the film, it was an interesting view into what could have been and his original vision of what the sequel could have looked like. I'm happy with the way the film ultimately turned out, though I tend to prefer the special edition over the original theatrical release if for no other reason than it just has more cool stuff in it like additional character moments (Ripley's sorrow at finding out Amanda had already passed, Hudson talking about all the weapons they had, Hicks revealing his first name to Ripley right before she went to rescue Newt, etc.), and the cool gun turret scenes. I can see why many of the ideas used in the first treatment didn't make it into the final film or were altered to better fit into the narrative, and overall I think they made the right choices every step of the way. While the original treatment would have still made for a good film, Cameron being the competent and capable director that he is and the cast being the wonderfully talented bunch that they all are, I have to say that I think the way they handled character development and pacing worked better in what we ended up with than it might have otherwise. Still cool to look at what was essentially a first draft of the film and getting to see how Cameron's vision evolved into the great movie we all know and love. Thanks for the great video and stay safe out there!
Agreed. Thank you for giving us such an indept look at James Cameron’s treatment of Aliens. Ever since I’ve come across your channel, eagerly awaiting the arrival of both the upcoming Alien movie and TV series, I have rewatched the first two films extensively. I would like to have seen more of Hadley’s Hope prior to Ripley and the Marines arriving. Although Newt seeing her father with a face hugger attached was telling enough, it would have been satisfying to see parts of the infestation, something now perfectly written about in the novelization called River of Pain. I do appreciate however the atmopsheric suspense of when the Marines arrive and sweep the empty corridors of a silent terraforming complex. It set it up for such a thrill ride that my mind just kept wondering about the fate of the colonists. One of the best sci-fi sequel films ever made to compliment Ridley Scott’s Alien.
I love the resolution we had for the Ripley ladies in the Alien:Isolation. Made my heart happy.
This was a strange thing to listen to while I cleaned up after Christmas dinner, but thanks for posting. Happy Holidays!
I could listen to this all night... it’s like watching the actual movie, dude! Fucking. Awesome. Thank you, Mr.Theory.
YO AP, I had four guys listening to this while we brought up a Power station today lol. I was about to put on my headphones and they were like HEY DUDE, WE'RE ALL LISTENING TO THAT!!!
Sent us down a rabbit hole talking about Aliens for about 12 hours LOL. * FYI these jerks are calling me APONE now 🤣*
Gonna take em to Ryushi tomorrow!
Awright!
26:55 Just a note. The Derelict model used in Aliens was the same one from Alien. Bob held onto it, along with the Narcissus model. If not for that, that scene would have been cut before it was even filmed.
Cool! Source, please?
@@PurrsPlace I believe I saw it on the Alien Quad extra features. He also held onto the Sulaco which was then repainted for Alien 3. Same for the queen seen in Alien Resurrection, which was later returned to him, and if i'm not mistaken he had repainted back to its original colors.
@@OpenMawProductions Why, thank you! =)
This was a great 1st sequel, I read the novelization of the story before seeing the movie for the 1st time. I remember being disappointed that the sentry guns were excluded from the theatrical cut. The stinger at the end of the warrior's tail was in the book and was how Goreman was originally incapacitated. This was fun to hear and I loved the artwork! Thanks for sharing!
Wow. 1 & 1/2 hours of awesomeness.
It'd be funny if Amanda Ripley WERE still alive.
Ellen: I'm sorry daughter, you have no idea what I ran into...
Amanda: Wow mom, do I have a story for you!
Man, your voice is so soothing, I could lister to you for hours. I love listening to you, so thx for this video.
I like how they addressed that the colony has shuttle craft of its own but in the film this is never mentioned. Its hard to believe the colonists were living there with no ships of their own.
James is a really gifted storyteller and director. I really enjoyed his movies. He's not always the easiest to work with but then again, perfectionists and great directors are always very particular and demanding. I'm looking forward to Avatar 2. Also wish he can do Alita 2.
Excellent job! Your treatment of the original material, and contrasts to the movie makes for great entertainment. Very enjoyable!!
Nice work. And I love how you match up the old film clips while you read the script. 👍
To think he wrote this in 3 freaking days is unbelievably insane. The man is truly a creative genius. Its so awesome that we all had the opportunity to enjoy his work of true art. Bravo James Cameron!
Too much exposition, and too much bitterness from Ripley's daughter, who would long ago have been told that the ship was lost with all crew and should have been glad to see her mother survive. The 'you abandoned me' thing doesn't ring true, and I think killing her off and having Ripley regret what could have been was better.
I think the exposition is necessary in a first draft, and it's interesting to read as back-story, but I'm pleased they turned out the film they actually did.
That being said, the more I think about it, the more surprised I am that in over 20 years of the colony being in existence, nobody stumbled across the ship. I suspect that either the warning beacon had stopped functioning (or the colony, or the ships that brought it there, would have picked it up) or that it had been deactivated (which is what's hinted at in Foster's novelization, but in the novel they find the beacon without finding the pilot; in the film, the opposite is the case).
55:28 If the destruction of the derelict ship was in an early treatment that was discarded, it's not canon.
I always thought it was weird that Ripley should wonder who's laying the eggs for all the colonists when earlier in the film she describes the derelict as holding "thousands of eggs". Naturally it would make sense for the aliens to raise a queen in a more convenient position, but it still feels like a slip in continuity.
I think there’s a weird unspoken/unexplored idea there (not counting the prequel movies, which made things worse or anything from comics/novels). The idea of a queen didn’t exist during the first movie, so your mind could run wherever it wanted to where those eggs came from and why they are being stored there. But when the idea of a queen was created for Aliens, it makes you wonder if the ship had a queen that was forced to make eggs. Perhaps not on the ship itself, but from wherever the planet they came from. Yea. It’s a weird retconning thing that can go in so many places.
@@Cargo_Bay The existence of an Alien queen on its planet of origin doesn't clash with the idea of the pilot of that ship picking up gazillions of eggs and flying them somewhere for some reason. Then again, even the Alien queen isn't a necessity given that solitary wasps etc. exist, and the basic alien reproductive biology (lay your eggs in a living host that nurtures them and provides food) is very clearly derived from the wasp.
The entire egg cargo area in the derelict never made sense as being part of the ship. It simple appears to large as its cavern seems to run off endlessly into the distance. To my eyes is looks more like a cavern that is under the ship.
Yeah aliens had alot of issues with the story i agree
As an amateur writer, I find it very interesting how Cameron managed to take many little scenes that in this treatment feel a bit unimportant and disjointed, and change their position to "squeeze" them into more important scenes (for example, Vasquez joking with Ripley in two separate occasions is perfectly integrated into Gorman's briefing, saving a lot of time). Also, whenever possible Cameron integrated dialogue with physical action: in the original treatment Ripley mistrusting Ash is flat and boring, 'cause it's only dialogue, but having Ripley throw away Bishop's food is much more telling and cinematic. It could be a silent movie, and you'd still perfectly understand the message "I don't want your help, and I don' trust your peace offer".
uh... no
yeah it's like he has some puzzle pieces and keep composing them in different sequence. The end result is the more or less the same, but overall give a complete different picture. I found Ripley "last idea" really beyond any sane brain can make. She really think "out of the box" there while it's too much a gamble to bet on athropine and drugs to neutralize the paralyzing venom of the Xenomorphs. I'm really glad to who put together this video.
@@TakumiFujiwara80, I actually believe there's still a remnant of that idea in the final film. Right after the battle in the hive, Vasquez suggests taking their supply of nerve gas and rolling it into the hive. Hicks responds by saying it would be a good try, but they have no idea if that would actually work on the Xenomorphs. So that's a neat little tidbit.
I sure enjoyed that. The storyboard was an eye opener in how the film could have been to how it came to be. Excellent work.
Bloody bravo on this video. This is a movie in its own right. 90 minutes well spent. Thank you.
I love the aspect of Ripley being in the situation of wanting to ignore quarantine procedures for her own benefit, when Bishop denies to pick her of from the planet - opposite from what she would have done in “Alien” - goes to show that if tables were (are) turned, taking the moral high ground and keeping sound and rational mind is difficult in a stressful situation. I love the duality of this in the early treatment!
Wow! What a great telling of the "treatment" that James Cameron proposed.
So very well done with the scenes of the Aliens movie shown as the narration of the Alien 2 story was told. Nicely Done! This was really great Thanks for this!
Excellent presentation. Thank you for this! I would have really enjoyed seeing the drone xenomorphs in the film. If we're lucky, maybe we'll see them at some point in the future. I absolutely do not like the idea of a warrior having an embryo implanting organ inside its chest. If that was the case, what reason would there be for an egg-laying queen to exist? Keep up the fantastic job you're dong with this channel! You got my day off to an excellent start!
One word. Redundancy. Put another way, what if the Queen dies, there is another way to keep the breed going till a new queen can be found / created.
The clear information that the Aliens ARE Intelligent would have been better.
In the movie, I had no idea that the Aliens we saw in the hive WEREN'T the typical Aliens. I assumed they backed off because the Queen ordered them to.
What a phenomenally done video 👌🏼. I’ve never heard this script before so thank you for sharing this. Keep up the good work and.
Not sure if I like this version better as it is first time I heard it, or is it really slightly better in relation to the movie. Either way I like both. Thanks for creating and uploading this
Have you ever thought about recording an audiobook of Alien? Your narration just fits the atmosphere perfectly
I love you for posting this! 🎉❤ And, I love all of my fellow alien fans!!!!
Great job, Derek!
Amazing video,love the way you describe each scene in this script of James Cameron's Alien II.
This was amazing. Thank you for sharing this with all of us 😊
That was really awesome. Thanks for the work & excellent product.
This was amazing! THANK YOU SO MUCH!
Great video. There were so many iconic characters in this movie - Hudson and Vasquez especially. I loved the elaboration in the alien hive, the introduction of the albino drones (though I think they were mentioned in the novelization. I always imagined drones as being more akin to the facehugger, though bigger and more evolved. Glad I could see this.
“This time it’s war”
My first time to this channel. Damn. You're a very good reader. Between the writing and your reading of it, I'm transfixed by this story.
Amazing narration of this proto-script. Thank you.
Two things I like from this that I wish made it into the movie: Hudson’s radioed description of what he saw while cocooned, and Bishop’s refusing to save them because of corporate protocol.
Nice, I shall be back to watch this in full. Keep up the solid content man! What a community we have, the Aliens OG fans!
Derek, you are awesome brother! i absolutely agree with every take you have on these films we both love!
Great stuff dude! Keep it up.
Aliens is my favourite out of all the Alien films. It's also one of my top 5 favourite films. I love learning as much as possible about the films I enjoy and I like to theorise things in my own head too. The thing I think about most with Aliens is "What if more Marines survived the initial attack?" or "What if different marines survived?" So I like in this draft that a couple of extra marines came back and I also like that Gorman is there the entire time until his death. i always felt sorry for Gorman in some ways, he is in over his head but he is still a trained marine. He just didn't have the confidence to lead a team.
I see that this was posted a year ago. I guess I need to go to your home page and see what other Easter Alien eggs I haven't found. Thank you for this video! I like your narration and learning more new things about the Alien mythology. I would love to see the Alien drones in live action.
I don't think they made any mention of motion scanners in this treatment and definitely they played a big part in the movie
Oh yeah the movie wouldn't have been the same without them
Yeah it would not been as good without Burke. One of the best villains ever. Paul Reiser nailed the role.
I was always hoping for ALIENS 2
I think I prefer the extended cut & the film as it turned out, & that scene where Ripley fought the Queen has to be one of the greatest 1 on 1 fight scenes in any movie & still gives me a thrill, thanks for making this video, I really didn't think I'd make it to the end, but am glad I did.
Excellent content dude. Really enjoyed this reading ❤
Well... this is the same Fox in the 90s took the stance of "it doesn't matter what's in the movie, the name will sell it."
I just realised, after 40 years, that Burke sent Nute's family to the location of the Derelict after Ripley told them about it! 😂
That's what Ripley meant by 'You sent them there didn't you!'
Oh I didn’t catch that but that’s obviously the most likely implication. I thought Ripley meant a general “you sold the company on a secret project that sent a bunch of colonists to their death, just to make a percentage!!” Same general outcome either way but the Newt tie-in brings it closer to home.
@@Bluecedor Yeah I always assumed the same as you and that's the line that popped into my head when I thought, wait a minute, does she mean that Burke Sent Nute's Parents to the coordinates?
In an Alien RPG campaign I ran decades ago, I postulated that Ripley lied in her report about the engineer ship's location and that the Jordan's discovery of it was a timely fluke. The lie coordinates laid within the blast radius of the processor while the true location was comfortably outside of it revealing that it was still there against many assumptions.
Oh, and when our heroes returned to the planet, they discover the jockey ship had departed under its own power.
That is a great idea for the campaign I'm currently running. Thanks for sharing!
I usually don't care for prequels but a Hadleys Hope movie would be amazing.
Enjoying this so far. Love some Alien/s content
If they ever do a aliens anime this guy should be the voice actor