Welcome to Music Gaslighting, practicing English words, and attempting tongue twisters with Ari and Michi. This was funny and adorable watching both of them having fun messing with each other.
FWIW, the Arkansas and Kansas difference is because of the french. The words com from the Kansas/Kanza (exact name varies a bit) tribe. The french explorers learned of the tribe from another tribe, who transliterated the name as Akansa. A couple different maps gave it different spellings, but history ended up basically smooshing the spellings together into Arkansas.
A lot of place names in North America come from native languages that were haphazardly translated into French, English, or Spanish (maybe Dutch or others too, just haven't come across them) so they tend to get weird. And sometimes locals just settle on the weirdest ways to say things. There's names of cities in the US that I, a Canadian, saw on a map or in a book then heard later and was 100% baffled by.
Not sure about Canada, but the US has kept a lot of the native place names, hence why they sound weird to everybody else, the disconnect is when it comes to spelling since several of the native sounds didn't have a direct parallel in other languages, so they spelt it with closest corresponding sound they had in their respective languages. So while they are spoken very similar to the native way, the spelling on the other hand doesn't exactly completely correspond to the way they sound, for example in my neck of the woods we got a place called Kissimmee, most tourists say it as Kiss-e-me since its how its written, but the actual way to say it is Key-sim-e.
@@HypnoticChronic1 I agree with most of that, and I expect to be wrong on native related names. My explanation was mostly for overseas people like Michi. What I meant by the ones I'm most baffled by is names like Norfolk and Louisville. I saw both names long before I heard them pronounced. There's plenty of others but I can't think of them off the top of my head. I read "The Sinking of the Bismarck: The Deadly Hunt" nearly forty years ago from the grade school library and HMS Norfolk was part of it. At no point could I have imagined how Americans, or the UK in their version, say it. Edit: Forgot to reply about Canada naming, I think it is fairly similar to the US. The word Canada itself is related to half assed translations from natives by the early explorers. I'd say most places are English or French names, but many lakes and rivers are native related names. The towns, cities, etc. that do have native related names are because they are on a body of water with that name. The province of Saskatchewan comes from the Cree's name of the river. There are also some things named after different groups like Algonquin National park.
@@MoriguTheDead That Norfolk thing is curious since I think the American version is more similar to how its spelt, while the British one sounds more like Nor-fick at least to me anyways. Also I could've swore y'all had a Norfolk up in Canada to somewhere in Ontario, I think I've heard it said in a Great Lakes documentary before or maybe as a reference point to shipwrecks on the lakes, I can't quite recall offhand. I get the Louisville thing tho, in which case we can blame the French for that one since we use the French pronunciation for Louis rather than the English when referring to that city. As for other place names in the US outside of urban areas, yeah most of ours retain the native name for them especially lakes and rivers which to other lends its name to urban areas near/around it, Mississippi for example is probably one of the more famous ones lending its name to both the river and state. I guess moral of the story is languages are both interesting and weird at the same time.
@@HypnoticChronic1 The British pronunciation sounds more like Norfuck to me, almost like it is swearing. Or at least the ones I've heard say it, it's not like the UK is lacking in accents. The way I thought of Norfolk after reading it was Nor as in AND/OR/NOR computer operations and Folk as in folk music, the L was pronounced. And I did just look it up, there is a Norfolk County in southern Ontario, it's on Lake Erie and it's the first I've heard of it. But, it is also the first I've seen many of the counties in Southern Ontario that aren't repeats of British names. Btw, if you have a moment go to Louisville, Kentucky on Wikipedia and listen to the 3 pronunciations. The middle one I get, basically French like you mention. The first and third are the baffling ones, I've heard them in media before and had to take a moment to pause and go back. If you are interested take a look at the Etymology Nerd channel. I'm not super into it but his shorts often get recommended to me so I watch a fair bit when they pop up. It's kind of reassuring watching each generation confuse the previous ones lol.
@@MoriguTheDead I've heard that pronunciation of Norfolk to before albeit far less frequently, may just be a regional accent thing when when it comes to the Brits. I mean the way I've always heard/said it here in States is Nor like in Norway and folk like the music, can't any other way a American as said it unless they themselves had a thick accent and emphasize a particular part more than the other. Go to know that place in Canada does exist and I wasn't just making things up in my mind, would've been super embarrassing if I was. I did take a gander at those pronunciations tho, I've heard the first two before quite a few times, the first is the local pronunciation where ya get a bit of our Southern drawl mixed in and the second is the one everybody else says, as for the third I can't say I ever recall hearing that anywhere unless somebody was really hammered and their slurring every word, other than that I am at a loss. I'll give that channel a gander on my next day off, appreciate the heads up it sounds interesting.
I love that the translated tongue twister doesn’t even rhyme in English. I remember this being a bit in the CGI Green Lantern cartoon where Hal Jordan starts marching sing military drill songs and everyone else (because he was the only English speaking human in the group) looked at him and said it makes no sense how he rhymes. It turns out that all Lantern rings automatically translate speech so each ring holder only hears their native language.
Me and my family make a game out of the “one smart fellow, he felt smart” tongue twister at 9:30 but we go up by 1 each time, so it’s 1 smart fellow, then 2 smart fellows and so on till we mess up
2:43 to be fair american accent does make "o" sound like "ah". i worked in a department store during uni. an american couple came in and asked me "you gat sacks?". it took us a few back and forths. "sacks?" "yeah sacks." "like backpacks?" "no, like for your feet...", for me to finally realise they want socks.
America has a few general accents to it, sounds like they were either from the northeast (New England) or from the mid-north (below Canada, like Wisconsin), I've heard people from both those places pronounce "o" like "ah". I'm from the southeast US, most people around here pronounce it like you'd expect, but sometimes they'll pronounce the "o" like "ow", so they'd say something like "you got sowcks?". American accents make no sense sometimes.
To be fair the US has a ton of regional accents and trust me we make fun of each other all the time for it, my guess based on your description that sounds like a New England accent, just as a litmus test take a listen to these two streamers, if it sounds like Nagzz its a New York accent, if it sounds like Kirsche than its a Boston accent. If it sounds like neither of those than it could be a Philly or Jersey accent, since they both got a really funny way of speaking compared to the rest of us.
@@HypnoticChronic1 Kirsche being the top example of a streamer with a boston accent... Just listen to how she talks, don't listen too hard to what she says. Thats what I do.
@@canisretro Nah I adore our brain damaged foxsu regardless, she is hilarious even if she talks about the most cursed things known to mankind like.... sounding.
Try and guess how this name is pronounced: *Fionn mac Cumhaill* . ….. If you tried pronouncing it the way it looks, you’d be wrong. It’s actually pronounced/anglicized as “ *Finn McCool/MacCool* .”
How are there even Americans that say Arkansas should be pronounced R Kansas? How education system is really terrible. The reason it's different is because one was named by the English and one was named by the French. It's pretty simple and straightforward.
Welcome to Music Gaslighting, practicing English words, and attempting tongue twisters with Ari and Michi. This was funny and adorable watching both of them having fun messing with each other.
1:25 Michi wigs out over being gaslighted.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, Ari losing it in the background of Michi talking is top tier content.
Tis not yet the season for Para-la-la-llel, la-la-la-la.
"Do you hear about the Patriot?"
"Oh you mean the Para-la-le-le-le-lel?"
English 101 with Michi & Ari is a mood.
And I'm here for it.
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Parrra - Parlala - Paresp - Parsnip - Parlor - Parley? - PARLEY!!!
That's the one! Parley!
FWIW, the Arkansas and Kansas difference is because of the french. The words com from the Kansas/Kanza (exact name varies a bit) tribe. The french explorers learned of the tribe from another tribe, who transliterated the name as Akansa. A couple different maps gave it different spellings, but history ended up basically smooshing the spellings together into Arkansas.
And the pronunciation difference was eventually enforced in Arkansas by a 1881 law.
@@MarqFJA87 But the people of Arkansas are still called 'Arkansans'(Ar-kan-sans).
The indo tongue twister sounds like the birds outside my window at 4 am.
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Michi: " ONe SmAARt FElOww hE SMelT fARt!!"
Even further on the Arkansas thing: theres an Arkansas river in Kansas, and the river IS pronounced "R-Kansas"
She should try Peter Piper picked a peck of pickled peppers.
A lot of place names in North America come from native languages that were haphazardly translated into French, English, or Spanish (maybe Dutch or others too, just haven't come across them) so they tend to get weird. And sometimes locals just settle on the weirdest ways to say things. There's names of cities in the US that I, a Canadian, saw on a map or in a book then heard later and was 100% baffled by.
Not sure about Canada, but the US has kept a lot of the native place names, hence why they sound weird to everybody else, the disconnect is when it comes to spelling since several of the native sounds didn't have a direct parallel in other languages, so they spelt it with closest corresponding sound they had in their respective languages.
So while they are spoken very similar to the native way, the spelling on the other hand doesn't exactly completely correspond to the way they sound, for example in my neck of the woods we got a place called Kissimmee, most tourists say it as Kiss-e-me since its how its written, but the actual way to say it is Key-sim-e.
@@HypnoticChronic1 I agree with most of that, and I expect to be wrong on native related names. My explanation was mostly for overseas people like Michi.
What I meant by the ones I'm most baffled by is names like Norfolk and Louisville. I saw both names long before I heard them pronounced. There's plenty of others but I can't think of them off the top of my head.
I read "The Sinking of the Bismarck: The Deadly Hunt" nearly forty years ago from the grade school library and HMS Norfolk was part of it. At no point could I have imagined how Americans, or the UK in their version, say it.
Edit: Forgot to reply about Canada naming, I think it is fairly similar to the US. The word Canada itself is related to half assed translations from natives by the early explorers.
I'd say most places are English or French names, but many lakes and rivers are native related names. The towns, cities, etc. that do have native related names are because they are on a body of water with that name. The province of Saskatchewan comes from the Cree's name of the river.
There are also some things named after different groups like Algonquin National park.
@@MoriguTheDead That Norfolk thing is curious since I think the American version is more similar to how its spelt, while the British one sounds more like Nor-fick at least to me anyways.
Also I could've swore y'all had a Norfolk up in Canada to somewhere in Ontario, I think I've heard it said in a Great Lakes documentary before or maybe as a reference point to shipwrecks on the lakes, I can't quite recall offhand. I get the Louisville thing tho, in which case we can blame the French for that one since we use the French pronunciation for Louis rather than the English when referring to that city.
As for other place names in the US outside of urban areas, yeah most of ours retain the native name for them especially lakes and rivers which to other lends its name to urban areas near/around it, Mississippi for example is probably one of the more famous ones lending its name to both the river and state.
I guess moral of the story is languages are both interesting and weird at the same time.
@@HypnoticChronic1 The British pronunciation sounds more like Norfuck to me, almost like it is swearing. Or at least the ones I've heard say it, it's not like the UK is lacking in accents.
The way I thought of Norfolk after reading it was Nor as in AND/OR/NOR computer operations and Folk as in folk music, the L was pronounced.
And I did just look it up, there is a Norfolk County in southern Ontario, it's on Lake Erie and it's the first I've heard of it. But, it is also the first I've seen many of the counties in Southern Ontario that aren't repeats of British names.
Btw, if you have a moment go to Louisville, Kentucky on Wikipedia and listen to the 3 pronunciations. The middle one I get, basically French like you mention. The first and third are the baffling ones, I've heard them in media before and had to take a moment to pause and go back.
If you are interested take a look at the Etymology Nerd channel. I'm not super into it but his shorts often get recommended to me so I watch a fair bit when they pop up. It's kind of reassuring watching each generation confuse the previous ones lol.
@@MoriguTheDead I've heard that pronunciation of Norfolk to before albeit far less frequently, may just be a regional accent thing when when it comes to the Brits. I mean the way I've always heard/said it here in States is Nor like in Norway and folk like the music, can't any other way a American as said it unless they themselves had a thick accent and emphasize a particular part more than the other.
Go to know that place in Canada does exist and I wasn't just making things up in my mind, would've been super embarrassing if I was.
I did take a gander at those pronunciations tho, I've heard the first two before quite a few times, the first is the local pronunciation where ya get a bit of our Southern drawl mixed in and the second is the one everybody else says, as for the third I can't say I ever recall hearing that anywhere unless somebody was really hammered and their slurring every word, other than that I am at a loss.
I'll give that channel a gander on my next day off, appreciate the heads up it sounds interesting.
The indo way of saying "paralel" sounds dutch. It's probably a leftover from 'that' era.
i already miss the Bald toggle
That buffalo thing is like... The buffalo from Buffalo who are buffaloed by buffalo from Buffalo (place) buffalo (verb) other buffalo from Buffalo.
When they first named the territory the settlers took a poll, and the agreed it was pronounced Arkansaw.
I love ESL's trying to speak English, especially when its odd terms they're saying, its both adorable and hilarious at the same time.
I love that the translated tongue twister doesn’t even rhyme in English. I remember this being a bit in the CGI Green Lantern cartoon where Hal Jordan starts marching sing military drill songs and everyone else (because he was the only English speaking human in the group) looked at him and said it makes no sense how he rhymes. It turns out that all Lantern rings automatically translate speech so each ring holder only hears their native language.
Oh, like Marvel’s Allspeak.
Another tongue twister: Fuzzy Wuzzy was a bear. Fuzzy Wuzzy had no hair. So Fuzzy Wuzzy wasn't fuzzy, was he?
Arrr... to Kansas, me mateys!
Me and my family make a game out of the “one smart fellow, he felt smart” tongue twister at 9:30 but we go up by 1 each time, so it’s 1 smart fellow, then 2 smart fellows and so on till we mess up
Lmao that laugh 4:57 🤣🤣
Give them the Dearest Creature in Creation poem
Repeating 'Red Lorry, Yellow Lorry' would drive her insane.
Oh Jesus, michi really
Mitch did agree
You will love what people are called in Arkansas
Technically you can pronounce it as or-e-gone or or-e-gohn or or-e-gun
Michi English annunciation stream when
2:43 to be fair american accent does make "o" sound like "ah". i worked in a department store during uni. an american couple came in and asked me "you gat sacks?". it took us a few back and forths. "sacks?" "yeah sacks." "like backpacks?" "no, like for your feet...", for me to finally realise they want socks.
i almost said "we don't sell musical instruments here" before settling for a more plausible guess of sacks = backpacks
America has a few general accents to it, sounds like they were either from the northeast (New England) or from the mid-north (below Canada, like Wisconsin), I've heard people from both those places pronounce "o" like "ah". I'm from the southeast US, most people around here pronounce it like you'd expect, but sometimes they'll pronounce the "o" like "ow", so they'd say something like "you got sowcks?". American accents make no sense sometimes.
To be fair the US has a ton of regional accents and trust me we make fun of each other all the time for it, my guess based on your description that sounds like a New England accent, just as a litmus test take a listen to these two streamers, if it sounds like Nagzz its a New York accent, if it sounds like Kirsche than its a Boston accent. If it sounds like neither of those than it could be a Philly or Jersey accent, since they both got a really funny way of speaking compared to the rest of us.
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Kirsche being the top example of a streamer with a boston accent...
Just listen to how she talks, don't listen too hard to what she says. Thats what I do.
@@canisretro Nah I adore our brain damaged foxsu regardless, she is hilarious even if she talks about the most cursed things known to mankind like.... sounding.
Try and guess how this name is pronounced: *Fionn mac Cumhaill* .
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If you tried pronouncing it the way it looks, you’d be wrong. It’s actually pronounced/anglicized as “ *Finn McCool/MacCool* .”
I think we are in school again.
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British English pronunciation: o-pruh
American English: aa-pr-uh
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How are there even Americans that say Arkansas should be pronounced R Kansas? How education system is really terrible. The reason it's different is because one was named by the English and one was named by the French. It's pretty simple and straightforward.
Pronunciation changes right back when you say "Arkansans"
there their they're, sense cents since scents, English is a fucked language bro
16:07 Don't tell her about the sentence that uses the word "had" 11 times in a row
13:45 Ari, chicks with what do what now?
13:09 okay i wasn't expecting a dr seuss book exerpt lol