@@DanielFrost79 even with insurance wrecking a M4 or 911 must fuck you for a long time. sounds crazy to me that you can rent a car without supervision or race driver licence.
The point of trashing a rental car is that the long term wear and tear is not on you, it's on the company that sells the car after a few years. So no, it makes no sense to trash my own car and baby a disposable rental car. Nobody wants to wreck their own car or somebody else's car. The goal is to not have an accident regardless of whose car you're driving
A lot of talk about the costs of rentals. Maybe I can help! Some of these cars costs 3-5000€ a year just to insure liability only as a track use. The lap prices include fuel, lap tickets wear and tear such as brake pads, tires, bearings, bushings, oil etc etc. When you look at this video and see the sends people are on it’s impressive considering they have to pay for damages. now, imagine that everyone can drive with no consequence of paying for damages. You’d lose half the fleet in a weekend. High excess keep people safe and that’s really what it boils down to. With that said you still get people who over shoot their skill level and have to spend the big bucks. Below someone mentioned the cupra price for rental. Again that included 35€ lap ticket per lap (no you can’t buy a season pass for a rental car. If a car does 1000 laps in a season the rental companies pay the ring 35.000€ for its lap tickets!). But the cupra also has 30k in mods starting with a 10.000€ suspension, a 7,000€ cage, seats, harnesses, intercom systems, fire system and and and. If someone hits the wall the car could quickly be a 60-70k write off and to risk that for 20€ a lap profit would be silly yet that’s what a lot of companies end up doing all the while internet asks why it’s so expensive :-). Hope that sheds a bit of light on some of the ideas and how the rental cars work. Ask me anything you’d like to know and I’ll try to give some input!!
so they dont let you use your car? i have a suzuki swift gti from 92 and its top condition i wanted to try to fight a lambo there or bmw so if i pay 5k and use my car like what the proplem?
@@matthijsborgdorff7766 this was my first winter in 8 seasons not thinking about rental business, staffing, cars needed etc. last weekend was my first opening weekend at the ring in the same time period not having to think about the first crash, staffing and customer “needs” and it’s been such a refreshing feeling. I wouldn’t trade away the fun times, the experiences and the relationships made for anything but I can’t stress how pleasant it is not having to think about all of the craziness
@@RobertMitchellgreat to know that your being able to chill and enjoy the moments. I have a question about the rental business. Wouldn't it be possible to return to a similar setting you had in the beginning where it was less stressful to handle? With a smaller team, few cars, and maybe only allow booking in person and not for a date far away, maybe within the same week. Since the demand is high, you would avoid people traveling with the rental booked, and it would be more predictable about weather and manageable regarding a weekly schedule. I don't know about, just throwing some thoughts, I have no experience with handling a business, I work as an engineer in car companies and would love to be able to drive at the Ring and to see the success of nice projects such as the ones you build
If you stop the video at 2:24 and go frame by frame you can actually see the body of the Cayman bending (left headlight gets pushed up and right panel gaps get huge) when it hits the curb.
I run a rental car business in Korea. As Germany is an advanced automobile country, they also rent cars at the track. In Korea, if an accident occurs on the track, insurance does not apply. Korea's rental car rules, in principle, prohibit driving on circuits. Even if you use the circuit without complying, tracking is possible because there is GPS inside the vehicle. Using a German rental car on the track is a truly amazing experience. It seems like maintenance costs would be really high, but it's amazing that it can be maintained.
This is why people who rent these Nurburgring cars should never go for something with tons of power and not "drive it like they stole it". When I rented a Clio 3 RS from RSR I was with instructor and drove very carefully, definitely not using all the Clio capabilites but in my defense it was my very first track experience let alone Nurburgring experience. I do have more confident than I used to have but still I would treat these cars with respect and realize that just because im driving a fast car, doesn't make me a fast driver.
Think so. If I remember correctly there was a guy crashing a McLaren from Apex some years ago. They let slide the 20.000 he was liable for. Couldn’t afford it.
if so, i would never ever rent anything for ring. i would go buy lupo for 200 eu and do lap and sell later. at least if car dies im not gonna pay 10k eu at least
They have normal road car insurance but almost nobody enforces it since then no one would insure their cars at all. Problem is that they need road car insurance since it's technically a one way toll road but there is nothing else. There is a damage excess which most rental companies offer to lower if you pay more. But that is the rental company's sort of unofficial "insurance" because they pay for the damage themselves and the driver pays the excess. They are a bit cheeky and not always advertise this and the excess can be astronomical, way into five figures. The policy for first time comers can be surprising, that essentially you are liable to pay for the damage and there is pretty much no insurance. Seems they also can pretty much charge with the maximum amount based on the dealer pricing to utilize as much of the excess. Even if they fix the cars themselves. It's business after all. Oh, and I didn't mention you pay for the barriers as well. All this is generally documented in social media and forums, so you can look up more specific information. My opinion, unless you are really confident in driving on the track with other people at high speeds, don't rent anything there, no matter how overly excited some of these companies look in the media. Nurburgring is unforgiving and there a many maniacs who treat TF as a track day and think they own the track. It's crowded, closing speeds are enormous and you might get in trouble to no fault of your own. Your few hundred euro laps very quickly turn into thousands worth of bills.
You typically have to cover up to like 10000-15000€ for damages. Honestly for someone who just wants to fly to the ring and experience it without their own car it might be better to go for one of the ring taxis, especially if you have zero experience and actually want to feel some thrill of the speed without the risk of a very expensive bill In fact you can get 2-3 passengers into some of the cars so if you go with buddies and split the bill it's pretty reasonable
Same reason you don't see many skylines or cool japanese cars, they're too valuable. If you spent 200k on a porsche you could go back to the dealership drop another 200k and get the same car, not-crusty running japanese cars are quite rare these days
Except one Ford, i can see only german cars goes on grass in that moment, at 8:00. Porsche, Mercedes, BMW, VW, Audi... Only german cars can't run correctly a german track ! 😂 What do you mean by "That's maybe not about the cars" ? 😉
You know the difference between a 4x4 and a rental car? A rental car can go anywhere.
"The fastest car in the world is a rental"
Jeremy Clarkson
A Toyota Corolla from New Zealand actually
😂😂
It's full speed from the moment you start it to the moment you crash it
😂😂
legendary
"Wasn't it blue?" - James May
i am usually more gentle with rentals since they are not mine. With mine i can do whatever.
Cuz u ve a track car ya man
You sound like a decent person.
Or they got the insurance lol
Rentals = Insurance = lower cost if you damage it.
Prefered before damaging my own car, personally
@@DanielFrost79 even with insurance wrecking a M4 or 911 must fuck you for a long time. sounds crazy to me that you can rent a car without supervision or race driver licence.
The point of trashing a rental car is that the long term wear and tear is not on you, it's on the company that sells the car after a few years. So no, it makes no sense to trash my own car and baby a disposable rental car.
Nobody wants to wreck their own car or somebody else's car. The goal is to not have an accident regardless of whose car you're driving
5:00 The Tesla driver acting like an idiot
That is given. Bro drove Dacia until yesterday and suddenly he think he's king of the road.
what was blud up to
Yes. He was born in russian family
@@vladyakovlev7079 what
A lot of talk about the costs of rentals. Maybe I can help! Some of these cars costs 3-5000€ a year just to insure liability only as a track use.
The lap prices include fuel, lap tickets wear and tear such as brake pads, tires, bearings, bushings, oil etc etc.
When you look at this video and see the sends people are on it’s impressive considering they have to pay for damages.
now, imagine that everyone can drive with no consequence of paying for damages. You’d lose half the fleet in a weekend. High excess keep people safe and that’s really what it boils down to. With that said you still get people who over shoot their skill level and have to spend the big bucks.
Below someone mentioned the cupra price for rental. Again that included 35€ lap ticket per lap (no you can’t buy a season pass for a rental car. If a car does 1000 laps in a season the rental companies pay the ring 35.000€ for its lap tickets!). But the cupra also has 30k in mods starting with a 10.000€ suspension, a 7,000€ cage, seats, harnesses, intercom systems, fire system and and and.
If someone hits the wall the car could quickly be a 60-70k write off and to risk that for 20€ a lap profit would be silly yet that’s what a lot of companies end up doing all the while internet asks why it’s so expensive :-).
Hope that sheds a bit of light on some of the ideas and how the rental cars work. Ask me anything you’d like to know and I’ll try to give some input!!
so they dont let you use your car? i have a suzuki swift gti from 92 and its top condition i wanted to try to fight a lambo there or bmw so if i pay 5k and use my car like what the proplem?
lol, I was actually about to comment: Now I understand why Apex stopped renting out cars.
@@matthijsborgdorff7766 this was my first winter in 8 seasons not thinking about rental business, staffing, cars needed etc. last weekend was my first opening weekend at the ring in the same time period not having to think about the first crash, staffing and customer “needs” and it’s been such a refreshing feeling. I wouldn’t trade away the fun times, the experiences and the relationships made for anything but I can’t stress how pleasant it is not having to think about all of the craziness
Enjoy it,@@RobertMitchell!
@@RobertMitchellgreat to know that your being able to chill and enjoy the moments. I have a question about the rental business. Wouldn't it be possible to return to a similar setting you had in the beginning where it was less stressful to handle? With a smaller team, few cars, and maybe only allow booking in person and not for a date far away, maybe within the same week. Since the demand is high, you would avoid people traveling with the rental booked, and it would be more predictable about weather and manageable regarding a weekly schedule. I don't know about, just throwing some thoughts, I have no experience with handling a business, I work as an engineer in car companies and would love to be able to drive at the Ring and to see the success of nice projects such as the ones you build
2:15 might want to replace the shocks lol. That thing drives like a bouncy castle.
If you stop the video at 2:24 and go frame by frame you can actually see the body of the Cayman bending (left headlight gets pushed up and right panel gaps get huge) when it hits the curb.
Looks more like the front bumper cover is flexed.
All I saw was the fucking sun.
@@triplespace007You need to set the video quality to at least 1080p 60fps and then go frame by frame (using comma "," and dot "." on the keyboard).
I can see it, never had a chance to see it like that and all those who denie it, have no idea how much the cars can flex😂
I run a rental car business in Korea. As Germany is an advanced automobile country, they also rent cars at the track. In Korea, if an accident occurs on the track, insurance does not apply. Korea's rental car rules, in principle, prohibit driving on circuits. Even if you use the circuit without complying, tracking is possible because there is GPS inside the vehicle. Using a German rental car on the track is a truly amazing experience. It seems like maintenance costs would be really high, but it's amazing that it can be maintained.
These track rentals also cost alot of money per lap. To normal rentals the same rules apply to the german ones as in Korea.
With how ridiculously expensive it is to rent at the ring it's normal...😅 I paid 150€ per lap for a GTI.
Just trinken about what it costs to insure a car to be driven on Nürburgring by strangers
i paid 700 iirc for 4 laps in a Seat Leon Cupra 310, at apex. first lap must be with an instructor
edit, it was 760 euros
@@TheNwetti rented a car at the Nurburgring and my own risk in case of a crash was €18k so the insurance must not be that high.
@@flopjul3022 yes, i rented at Apex too. The car was good, but definetly not worth that much money for a couple of laps, and no insurance
@@woute_r that’s what I though. Makes no sense to rent a car if you have to pay if something happens.
This is why people who rent these Nurburgring cars should never go for something with tons of power and not "drive it like they stole it". When I rented a Clio 3 RS from RSR I was with instructor and drove very carefully, definitely not using all the Clio capabilites but in my defense it was my very first track experience let alone Nurburgring experience. I do have more confident than I used to have but still I would treat these cars with respect and realize that just because im driving a fast car, doesn't make me a fast driver.
When you wanna find out how little skill you actually have, without risking your own Civic. :^)
Adenauer forst is clearly not mapped on the rentals GPS:)
If you crash a rental, are you liable to pay for all the damage? Or do they have any insurance
Think so.
If I remember correctly there was a guy crashing a McLaren from Apex some years ago. They let slide the 20.000 he was liable for. Couldn’t afford it.
if so, i would never ever rent anything for ring. i would go buy lupo for 200 eu and do lap and sell later. at least if car dies im not gonna pay 10k eu at least
They have normal road car insurance but almost nobody enforces it since then no one would insure their cars at all. Problem is that they need road car insurance since it's technically a one way toll road but there is nothing else.
There is a damage excess which most rental companies offer to lower if you pay more. But that is the rental company's sort of unofficial "insurance" because they pay for the damage themselves and the driver pays the excess. They are a bit cheeky and not always advertise this and the excess can be astronomical, way into five figures. The policy for first time comers can be surprising, that essentially you are liable to pay for the damage and there is pretty much no insurance. Seems they also can pretty much charge with the maximum amount based on the dealer pricing to utilize as much of the excess. Even if they fix the cars themselves. It's business after all. Oh, and I didn't mention you pay for the barriers as well.
All this is generally documented in social media and forums, so you can look up more specific information.
My opinion, unless you are really confident in driving on the track with other people at high speeds, don't rent anything there, no matter how overly excited some of these companies look in the media. Nurburgring is unforgiving and there a many maniacs who treat TF as a track day and think they own the track. It's crowded, closing speeds are enormous and you might get in trouble to no fault of your own. Your few hundred euro laps very quickly turn into thousands worth of bills.
Rental companies usually pay it them selfs to keep the insurance for realy bad cases.
You typically have to cover up to like 10000-15000€ for damages. Honestly for someone who just wants to fly to the ring and experience it without their own car it might be better to go for one of the ring taxis, especially if you have zero experience and actually want to feel some thrill of the speed without the risk of a very expensive bill
In fact you can get 2-3 passengers into some of the cars so if you go with buddies and split the bill it's pretty reasonable
I'm learning all the Sectors and turn names. Is the section with the Left and right turn Timestamped @ 6:30 the "Adenaur Forst" section? Thank You
Yes, it’s Adenauer Forst. It comes right after the „Fuchsröhre“
Thank you so much. Love the content @@leon_247
1:10 most just send it back on track using that curb as a ramp. Good lad.
selling announcement: car has never ridden on racetrack :)
you could do a whole video on just that ringfreaks bmw...ive seen it in so many videos already
True, made 2 laps this year with a guide. Cause of this, no video material here 😂
You mean with one of those 10+ ringfreaks BMW... ;-)
Can someone tell me why there are hardly any A45s ever at the ring.I’m a curious Australian.(with an evo 9).
In Germany (and probably most of Europe) the A45 is not popular with people that want to drive, but rather with show offs
‘Cause they are wank mobiles for posers.
Same reason you don't see many skylines or cool japanese cars, they're too valuable. If you spent 200k on a porsche you could go back to the dealership drop another 200k and get the same car, not-crusty running japanese cars are quite rare these days
@@Paganizondaf650interesting they are decent cars still (imo)
It started with Kubica in Apex’s BMW 💪
That red gold discovering Golfsteer😂 and alsoo 5:15 how is that even possible😂
5:15 is pretty ridiculous lol, that's a pretty classic case of lift off over steer right?
Maybe something got damaged earlier in the lap?
That blue BMW:
“Where we’re going, we don’t need roads”
2:16 was hanging loose 😂😂😂
Do you get a formation lap or something to learn the track? Seems like most of them just discover the track lmao
Nice Video 👌
Ringfreaks BMW always take a beating 😂😂
How much cost rent a M4 at Ring? Idk that people can rent car and race them legally
Drift at 9:15 is nice
dont expect ride like yours when you have such prices ...
6:40 let's just hold the steering wheel, close your eyes and do nothing
what a joke of driver he is
Yo alquile un Siroco a Nurblife, saludos a Leo que fue muy amable!!
Drive it like you stole it
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why their plates are not german
oh and we have some GolfySteer 🤣🤣
@7:55 BMW thinks it's a Honda
The E9x are though 😲
Rental cars are having a hard time 😂😂
how the cameraman exactly knows, who is going to do it :)
How do you know those are rental cars? How curious how you diffrenciate them
It would say like ____rentals or something like that
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Wonder how my four door Holden ute would go around the Nord haha anyone wanna borrow it and send it 😵💫
Misha weeps
Eroe e Grand uomo peccato per la 36 non degna si nota 😂
i b gentle with rentals, not at all with my own cars though
Einige sollten erstmal richtig bremsen lernen. Ist ja furchtbar wie die fahren. Hören die nicht, wie die Reifen quietschen?
hahaha pessoal moendo os carros da nurblife XD
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Yo
Except one Ford, i can see only german cars goes on grass in that moment, at 8:00. Porsche, Mercedes, BMW, VW, Audi...
Only german cars can't run correctly a german track ! 😂
What do you mean by "That's maybe not about the cars" ? 😉
Almost as if 99% of all cars on the nurburgring are german 🤦♂️
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Should be curblife not nurblife🤣
M2 is a fantastic but really ugly.
what do you mean, it's gorgeous
Looks like an 86