The Riverlands were the Real OP in the Dance. No region has ever created such an Impact from the Ground Forces even after their continous Assault from Vhagar.... They were tanking left and right to whoever is coming after them... I mean They literally annihilated the Baratheons, Lannisters and Criston's forces singlehandedly. Before the North arrived they were pretty much the only thing besides Dragons standing between the Greens from taking the Throne once and for all....
I do like the riverlands but it always annoyed me how OP they were when I read the book. They just tanked everybody who fought them like they were nothing. It kinda ruined my suspension of disbelief, especially considering that in the ASOIAF era they were very mid and nothing special. So they aren't these renowned warriors throughout time, just in this one era apparently, a peacetime era army is just all the sudden absolute BAMFs
@@Captain_Insano_nomercy As for the Riverlords Situation, I dont think it was Plot Armour or Fan Favourite. I think it was their Greatness or atleast their basic instincts of Survival. I mean these are Riverlands we r talking about... Their entire existence is based on survival of one war after the other right.... So I truly believe they are the best Survivors in Westeros. Being the best surivivors, they sure can have their supplies and resources handy in any condition... That's my take on that...
@@dineshbalu6107 yeah listen, I'm just going off logic. So for starters they got absolutely fucked up by Tywin in ASOIAF, so they aren't good all throughout history. Also to my point, it's an army of people who grew up in peacetime. No war veterans, okay that doesn't usually lead to lots of success in war, at least not crazy runaway success like they had. They were also lead by young boys, which using Rob Stark or The Young Dragon as slightly older examples...yeah mistakes get made. The only decent explanation is that everybody they fought just sucked
@@Captain_Insano_nomercy Look, Not only it's peace time for the Riverlords. It's peace time for the Entire realm.... Also before Tywin, the Lannisters were fucked up from time to time... Even What did Tywin do to the Riverlords that he didn't do to his other Enemies, Huh?... The only major threat the Riverlords ever faced were the Ironborn, and that was vanished from Aegon the Conqueror... I mean even in those peace era if there was ever a sign of war, it occurs in any one of these places - Stepstones, Riverlands or in Dornish Boundaries. So I would say, The Riverlords are well equipped and fought very bravely and efficiently right from Aegon's time and especially in the Dance they were at thier peak, also they had other Advantages, every battle that took place in the Dance are in the Riverlands alone, so they had that advantage as well...
@@dineshbalu6107 I agree. The main strenght of the Riverlands was in its population. They were the ones attacked and had the time to mobilise the peasentry. So they had the manpower advantage. Of course their soldiers were also lower quality than the ones from the Westernlands for example. Lannisters actually defeated Riverlord armies prior to the fishfeed. But Rivarlanders implemented hit and run tactics and terrain knowledge and killed off Lannister leadership. They also had a support of northerns wolves. The same tactic was used against Cole. Hit and run, scorched earth. They basically starved them. In the final battle against Baratheon, riverlanders were veterans of many battles, while larger part of Baratheons forces were fresh levies from the Crownlands with little will to fight.
That’s not true, it was crowned from the start because it used to be the storm kings, they say they added the crown in the show but in the books is seems like it’s been there from the beginning
Probably not. He dies way after the end of the dance and I doubt the show would want to establish a bastard like him without him getting any comeuppance.
As a house green fan I hope we don't get to see him they already have cregan stark who gave justice to house black why would they need the red Kraken as well
In Fire and Blood (maybe it will be different in HOTD?) the Tyrells stay neutral in the war, as the Reach is ruled by Lady Tyrell in the name of her infant son.
I think its gonna be the same in HOTD, the anarchy in the Reach is gonna be really good TV and be a real good excuse why the Oldtown Train takes so long to get to Kings Landing.
@@bjornerluffy Yeah, notice how the Tyrells weren’t mentioned at all during the war council. Probably just going to be waved away in passing, which will basically be how it was in the books
Although the Tyrells were mentioned in the books, the Lord of Highgarden was an infant in swaddling clothes, with his mother as a regent. She did the right choice by staying neutral and keeping out of the war, for her self at least. I expect them to include the answer from Highgarden, and leave it at that. Like Otto briefing Aegon that they have gotten a response from highgarden type of deal. @@Isuream6331
Pretty dumb the coolest story line they can make for cregan stark being late is the stark succession crisis where cregans uncle probably murdered his dad and tired usurping him which led to a civil war in the north the boltons were too weak for most of their recent history against the starks due to most of the starks having a damn brain and knowing who their biggest threat in the north
Well the Reynes where to attached to the Lannisters at that time mainly one being lord Jason mistress and the then lord tarbeck fought on the side of the greens
Having read over the Dance again, this time with the Rise of the Dragon book that came out with that beautiful art, it really is crazy how powerful the Riverlands are in this war. Tully, Bracken, and Blackwood just dominate the war really. The North, outside of maybe the Manderlys, don't get to do much. Neither do the Greyjoys really. House Aryn has some decent stuff. Outside of House Targaryen and Hightower, Tully and Baratheon really pull a lot of the weight.
The Dornish prevented Lord Boros and the Stormlanders from aiding Aegon and the Greens until it was pretty much too late. The only contribution the Stormlands had in the civil war was retaking Kings Landing from the 3 dayfly Kings as the Shepherd, Gaemon Palehair & Tristan Truefyre (the Greens should not have spared Ser Perkin the Flea for the betrayal of his own squire, who he raised up as King - Perkin should have lost his head for his treachery) were styled and later against the Riverlords where Boros would deservedly meet his end at the end of Lord Tully's Morningstar.
@@0307scott Why deservedly ?? Borros was a fine warrior and a decent man. He slew 12 knights and a couple of lords in the battlefield before he died ...
The black have the advantage of having more dragons but the Green has the Advantage of having more allies. Not only in westeros but the Triachy of Essos as well. In fact (SPOILER) It's the Triachy's fleet that kills Reanyra's firstborn child.
I like to think of the Dance as a conflict between Royalists and Loyalists: Greens are Royalists💚 : Supporters of the eldest true-born son of the previous king. Aegon has every aspect of legitimacy that any king could have. Crowned in front of the people of Kings Landing by the High Septon, wearing the Conqueror's crown, bearing his sword, bearing his name etc. All of tradition and precedence is on his side. Those who support him are the Royalists who support their rightful king. Blacks are Loyalists 🖤: Supporters of the King's chosen heir. They are those who are faithful to their vows and never forget a promise. They are those who put their own vows ahead of tradition, and honour the memory of King Viserys by upholding the rights of his eldest daughter. That's just how I see it. Both have points of course, but I can't help but side with the Greens. 😍
The riverlords are going to be the most essential. Riverlords will fight and beat the Lannister, Royal forces, The Hightowers and reach loyalists and single handly destroy the Baratheon in the final battle
Cos they were all happy to have a Queen before Aegon? No one would’ve challenged rule even though they made him marry to avert no male heir. Heck they even started the show with the great council of 101AC showing a woman with the strongest claim being voted out.
Well the Ironisland are bitter rivals of the Westerlands. So they will join Rhaenyra only to spite the Lannisters and raid the ritch Westerlands. And there is the Legend of the red kracken Dalton Greyjoy.
Well I mean the options are: Join the green faction. Sail the fleet around Westeros and fight the Valryians at sea. Join the counsel as Master of ships. Or Join the blacks, raid the reach and westernlands without punishment from the queen They chose the easier and more profitable route.
@Haflinger01 no it isn't, westeros had evolved after the targaryen conquest. Instead of 7 divided lands easy to raid and sack it became a single domain. The old way was gone after Aegons conquest and it won't be seen again until Euron in Winds of Winter
@@zachphillips7997 Well some had try to revived it and one most notably was in fact Dalton Greyjoy, who was in power during the Dance of Dragons. The slot as Master of ships on the green councel was fild by a Lannister. So the Ironisland will join the Blacks and the Ironman will raid Lannisport.
@Haflinger01 yes true and I agree but I don't think it's the old way. Just based on the fact that Rheanyra gave them leave to attack those lands. I really do hope we get to see the red Kraken as he is my favorite Greyjoy in the lore.
I hope HOTD doesn't deviate much from the books like GOT especially when it comes to showcasing some of the Minor Noble Houses & it's prominent members. Westorsi politics is more interesting if there are more players playing a game of thrones or dancers dancing the dance of dragons.
The combined fleets of Houses Lannister, Redwyne and Hightower plus the Royal Fleet itself definitely outnumber House Velaryon especially after the Sea Snake fought for years over the Stepstones. The Mandarly fleet isn't of much use so if it comes to naval powers, the blacks need House Greyjoy
Spoilers; Interesting to think, Daemon hardly participated in the war till near the very end. Guy totally sat by as his allies were being smelted, and then when he decided to leave, he couldn't manage to track down the largest living Dragon in Westeros even with help. Aemond had to go to him 💀 And the Riverlands, as someone else pointed out, really did have some heavy plot armor. After Aemond and Vhagar brought their own "Dragon's Wroth" upon the Riverlands, it's a wonder they had the numbers or supplies to handle the Lannisters or Baratheons after that. Ser Criston getting defeated was one thing, Aemond's annihilation hadn't started yet. But after? I've been told the Books go over how much of a wasteland the Riverlands are from the perspectives of just about everyone who marches through them. So where did "The Lads" get the plot armor to handle the Lannisters and Baratheons? Also.... *"Aegon the King!"*
You trying so hard lmao...Just accept the fact other than having a better dragon there was nothing which Aemond had over Daemon...Daemon won the Black's King's Landing without breaking a sweat and Aemond's foolishness cost the Greens King's Landing
@@buzzkill36 And the Black's lost King's Landing due to the Green's preemptive measures. The Black's started thr blockade and then taxed the hell out of them. Also, young Aemond is a better swordsman than Daemon. Trained by Ser Criston and had age on his size. Even the way they mount their Dragons in the end made note of how age was getting to Daemon.
@@thalmoragent9344 So how is this about Daemon?He was not in King's Landing if he was he would have prevented it Anyways Daemon was knighted at 16 while Aemond is still getting training...also being trained by Cole dosen't make you better lmao... Rhaegar was trained by Gerold Hightower, Arthur Dayne and Barristan Selmy yet lost to Robert Baratheon
@@thalmoragent9344 The Blacks lost King's Landing to their own stupidity. They should have not taxed so heavily the smallfolk who suffered most from the war. The Greens didn't do anything that lost the Blacks King's Landing. They just removed the royal treasury and split it up between three locations. Now Boros Baratheon did reclaim King's Landing in the name of the Greens, after it was lost to massive riots. But the Greens were not the cause of the Blacks losing King's Landing. Also, how do you know Aemond is a better swordsmen then Daemon? Sure Criston Cole trained Aemond, and Daemon lost to Criston Cole in a tourney. But that was only once. Now, Aemond does have youth on his side, but we both know how the conflict plays out between the two.
It’s smart of them because their vassals were divided, as some joined the blacks and others the greens. If they had joined, they could either lose their lands and titles to one of their vassals if they joined the greens or if they had joined Aegon II, then they might lose their heads at the hands of Cregan Stark since they would support usurpers.
It was the Baratheons, Hghtowers, Lannisters, some of the Reach, half of the Riverlands, and later the Velaryons for the Greens against the Velaryons(initially), half of the Riverlands, the Arryns, the Starks, some of the Reach, Tullys(eventually) and the Greyjoys(eventually) for the Blacks.
Dorne is still a totally independent country at this point. Although, foreign countries often time involve themselves in civil wars of rival countries so they are still on the board.
I mean I think it’s safe to say House Stark is gonna go to the Blacks “there has never lived a Stark who forgot an oath.” Knowing what we know of Stark honor this oath is what secures them to the blacks more than all else and win or lose they will side with the ones they swore the oath to.
Really wish we could have seen the Northern armies atleast participate in the battles and do fighting instead of you know doing nothing till the very end
They do in form of winter wolves formed from small folks, second and third sons of lords, old men who had nothing to lose in the war numbering around 3000 fought two battles in the war being fish feed(the battle that killed Criston cole(dishonourably but yes) and ended lannisters involvement in the war on the battlefield end) as well as first battle of tumbleton where roddy the ruin killed two of Otto’s nephews (one of whom were lord Hightower) before dying of his wounds. The main stark army because of multiple issues like requirement of men for harvest for the upcoming winter as well as tiredness from the civil war that had ended in the north just 3 years before war broke in the south, didn’t start to march until rhenyera’s death
The Baratheons are not unpredictable but they are very quick to anger. Duncan the Tall went from allying with Lyonel Baratheon to having to fight him over a cancelled betrothal of Egg's son to his daughter. Robert, Stannis, Renly and their father Steffon were quite stiff and predictable. Robert was only a powerful fighter because he was unconventional in terms of tactics. He was easy to manipulate otherwise. The Tyrells refused to join in the fighting, as the lady of the house didn't want her young son threatened. They basically laid down their authority.The Rowans, Tarlys, Costaynes, Mullendores, Grimms and of course House Beesbury all supported the blacks as a result. The Riverlands are not a kingdom but a region of Westeros loosely governed by House Tully. The seven kingdoms were The North, Westerlands, The Vale,The Reach, The Stormlands , The Iron Islands and Dorne- which the Targaryens always claimed even when they didn't rule it. The strongest armies are fielded by the Brackens , Blackwoods and Freys instead of their liege lord. Dorne is not in the discussion of the Dance as they were not part of the Seven Kingdoms- but they hate Daemon and even supported the Triarchy against him in the Stepstones. An exile from House Yrnwood, the Martells' eternal rival serves in Rheanyra's court, so this will turn Dorne even more against Rheanyra, though they traditionally never send armies north of the marches for any reason. House Caswell is not only one of the first houses to openly support Rheanyra, , they are the lords of Tumbleton, where two epic battles were fought that turned the war on its head. The Vale is all for Rheanyra, but their only major military move came near the end where they sent forces to attack the crossroads alongside the Riverlands and Cregan Stark's Northmen. Lady Jeyne interestingly became one of Aegon III's regents afterwards.
You know what your talking about but got some wrong Caswell holds bitter bridge but who is the Yronwood you are talking about I would love to know more
Finally! I'm so sick of these Team Black stans, Daemon is a murdering psyco, and Rhaenyra would allow a bastard to succeed her. At least Aegon II is a legit dragon, not a Strong boy
@@kenthehobo Aegon 2 is literally a rapist lmao...And murdering psycho??What did Aemond do to the innocent Riverlands folks?Heck...look up what the coward did to House Strong his allies
"Vhagar, the largest and most experienced dragon". Are we forgetting about Cannibal? And "experienced" in what exactly? Killing other dragons? That goes to Cannibal as well, hence the name.
I’m glad that there is an actual divide in the fandom of blacks and greens, good to see the show doing it’s job. I’m personally on the blacks because all the blacks are hella awesome. Except the Celtigars
Team nobody here when Viserys named Rhaenyra over daemon that for the good of the realm that was right then married Rhaenyra best friend then she has a son every law and right aegon should be king and everybody obviously want aegon as king it would been good of the realm to name aegon over Rhaenyra it became obvious that after his first son is born that Viserys only keep Rhaenyra as heir because of guilt and grief Rhaenyra sleeps with daemon and the knight in the same night she should have been disinherited no good ruler would jeopardize her reputation like that she refused to find a husband so was married to a gay guy then have three bastards that suppose to rule after her how could you sit back a allow a bastard to carry your name the name of the conqueror if they would say that Rhaenyra three sons are bastards and name the children by daemon and Rhaenyra I would 100 percent support the blacks and if you say aegon have bastards to his bastards ain’t acknowledged and in line of succession no bastards are allowed in the line of the succession Everything that happened was because Viserys guilt and grief for killing his wife and the child still died and because of Rhaenyra bastards sons is only her bastards was took out of the line of succession aegon claim would have been weak
You say you are team nobody, but judging from your comment, it feels like you're team green. And the king named Rhaenyra as his heir. And the hightowers bent the knee, which makes them oathbreakers.
@@TJ-fe7rr I’m not but I sympathize more with the greens in the tv shows they was just being wronged viserys Choice in heir was grief driven he said he wanted to unite the realm and don’t cause division but he did just that nyra trying to defend what her father wanted her to have i respect that but she and the greens reaped what they sowed and both sides are wrong yes the hightowers are oath breakers but it’s said when viserys died most the lords who swore a oath to nyra is Dead
Thats what they've been doing to all the fans that are team black just wanna pretend like it isn't. They made it seem like rhaenyra is this tragic hero wanting us to ignore all her transgressions. And they made the greens look like the villians
That is actually correct. The Hightowers have long been known for promoting trade and commerce and staying out of wars thus causing Oldtown to prosper into the richest city of Westeros and becoming one of the wealthiest houses of Westeros. The Lannisters of course are equally financially savvy and control the third largest city Lannisport. So the Greens control the realms major trading hubs, they are incredibly rich and they possess the royal treasury and know just how to put it to good use.
@TJ-fe7rr His father is the steward at Blackhaven. Criston is of Dornish descent. Criston fought for a year as a footsoldier in border conflicts with Dorne. After taking part in the razing of two watchtowers along the Boneway, he was knighted by Ser Arlan Dondarrion.[
@debamlyabanerjee4067 What houses were in what battles then, mate? Most of the war was in the river lands. A quick look at 13 out of 17 I can find and this is what I come up with. I've got Blacks houses Blackwood Stounton Velaryon Breesberry Caswell Costayne Rowan Tarley Piper Vance Dusten Grey Footly Merryweather Derry Deddings Vypren 17 Greens Bracken High towers Peake Roxton Lancaster Lefford Reyne Swift Tarbec Wyled 10
@@brianlong2334 stounton didn't even fight they were just hidden in there castle meleys just fought for them merrywather, vyprens just bend there knees without any fight and join the greens footlys didn't fight green forces took there town rowan bend there knees About the green houses Hightowers, roxton, peake and redwyne all took over the reach and houses oakhearts, laygoods, norcrox and the lords of shield islands gave there armys and house merrywather and grimm former black supporters joined them and you forgot roosbey and stokeworth and you spelling of lannister is worng and you forget baratheons
@@debamlyabanerjee4067 the starks and arryns came at the end of the war and the greyjoys attacked the westerlands which is more than what the baratheons did
@@scarletwizard5451 the war was already over when king aegon ii executed princess rhaneyra arrynes and starks didn't fought any battles about the baratheons they fought Dornish invaders During the dance because a vulture king attacked Dornish marches and the greyjoys attacked the westerlands for themselves not for rhaneyra and they just attacked the lannisport and fair island
@@debamlyabanerjee4067 I assume you did not read F&B. The war was officialy over when Aegon III married Jahaera. Queen Rhaenyras death was nearly at the end of it but the starks arryns finished the job of the blacks and so the war ended
@@scarletwizard5451 i read fire and blood war is officially over when princess rhaneyra died that's why aegon ii is mentioned as king because his rival is dead
@@kingofdragons7 I mean, the Starks were going to join anyway, the Arryns probably as well. But then again, the Baratheons were supposed to too and....
@@KaiHung-wv3ul the Arryns, perhaps, because they have blood ties with Rhaenyra, but the Starks, i think they would have stayed out of it if it wasn't for Jacaerys
The boy Varys says is Rhaegars Son is really a Blakfyre pretender this why Golden Company fighting for him...they only Support a Blackfyre never a Targaryen
@@debamlyabanerjee4067so do I. They should have went to the riverlands for an alliance as well. Them all with many houses in the Reach, Stormlands, and the redwine fleet would be pretty much unstoppable
What makes a man turn _neutral_ ? Lust for gold? Power? Maybe they were just born with a heart full of neutrality....
Zap Brannigan was truly a man of many fine words
@@Captain_Insano_nomercy right pretty talk
The Riverlands were the Real OP in the Dance. No region has ever created such an Impact from the Ground Forces even after their continous Assault from Vhagar.... They were tanking left and right to whoever is coming after them... I mean They literally annihilated the Baratheons, Lannisters and Criston's forces singlehandedly. Before the North arrived they were pretty much the only thing besides Dragons standing between the Greens from taking the Throne once and for all....
I do like the riverlands but it always annoyed me how OP they were when I read the book. They just tanked everybody who fought them like they were nothing. It kinda ruined my suspension of disbelief, especially considering that in the ASOIAF era they were very mid and nothing special. So they aren't these renowned warriors throughout time, just in this one era apparently, a peacetime era army is just all the sudden absolute BAMFs
@@Captain_Insano_nomercy As for the Riverlords Situation, I dont think it was Plot Armour or Fan Favourite. I think it was their Greatness or atleast their basic instincts of Survival. I mean these are Riverlands we r talking about... Their entire existence is based on survival of one war after the other right.... So I truly believe they are the best Survivors in Westeros. Being the best surivivors, they sure can have their supplies and resources handy in any condition... That's my take on that...
@@dineshbalu6107 yeah listen, I'm just going off logic. So for starters they got absolutely fucked up by Tywin in ASOIAF, so they aren't good all throughout history. Also to my point, it's an army of people who grew up in peacetime. No war veterans, okay that doesn't usually lead to lots of success in war, at least not crazy runaway success like they had. They were also lead by young boys, which using Rob Stark or The Young Dragon as slightly older examples...yeah mistakes get made. The only decent explanation is that everybody they fought just sucked
@@Captain_Insano_nomercy Look, Not only it's peace time for the Riverlords. It's peace time for the Entire realm.... Also before Tywin, the Lannisters were fucked up from time to time... Even What did Tywin do to the Riverlords that he didn't do to his other Enemies, Huh?... The only major threat the Riverlords ever faced were the Ironborn, and that was vanished from Aegon the Conqueror... I mean even in those peace era if there was ever a sign of war, it occurs in any one of these places - Stepstones, Riverlands or in Dornish Boundaries. So I would say, The Riverlords are well equipped and fought very bravely and efficiently right from Aegon's time and especially in the Dance they were at thier peak, also they had other Advantages, every battle that took place in the Dance are in the Riverlands alone, so they had that advantage as well...
@@dineshbalu6107 I agree. The main strenght of the Riverlands was in its population. They were the ones attacked and had the time to mobilise the peasentry. So they had the manpower advantage. Of course their soldiers were also lower quality than the ones from the Westernlands for example. Lannisters actually defeated Riverlord armies prior to the fishfeed. But Rivarlanders implemented hit and run tactics and terrain knowledge and killed off Lannister leadership. They also had a support of northerns wolves. The same tactic was used against Cole. Hit and run, scorched earth. They basically starved them. In the final battle against Baratheon, riverlanders were veterans of many battles, while larger part of Baratheons forces were fresh levies from the Crownlands with little will to fight.
Minor mistake: The coat of arms of House Baratheon shows no crown on the stag until Robert becomes king.
That’s not true, it was crowned from the start because it used to be the storm kings, they say they added the crown in the show but in the books is seems like it’s been there from the beginning
Not a mistake
Major mistake: your comment.
No. That's only in the GoT. Both in the books and HotD Baratheons have the crown on their sigil.
The comment section never disappoints me.
Really hope we get the red kraken Properly unlike how Euron was
Probably not. He dies way after the end of the dance and I doubt the show would want to establish a bastard like him without him getting any comeuppance.
@@Isuream6331 Yeah that's true, unless they make another spin off later on and reference him. Like a black fire rebellion show
As a house green fan I hope we don't get to see him they already have cregan stark who gave justice to house black why would they need the red Kraken as well
In Fire and Blood (maybe it will be different in HOTD?) the Tyrells stay neutral in the war, as the Reach is ruled by Lady Tyrell in the name of her infant son.
I think its gonna be the same in HOTD, the anarchy in the Reach is gonna be really good TV and be a real good excuse why the Oldtown Train takes so long to get to Kings Landing.
@@bjornerluffy Yeah, notice how the Tyrells weren’t mentioned at all during the war council. Probably just going to be waved away in passing, which will basically be how it was in the books
Although the Tyrells were mentioned in the books, the Lord of Highgarden was an infant in swaddling clothes, with his mother as a regent. She did the right choice by staying neutral and keeping out of the war, for her self at least.
I expect them to include the answer from Highgarden, and leave it at that. Like Otto briefing Aegon that they have gotten a response from highgarden type of deal. @@Isuream6331
It'd be an interesting theory if the boltons were behind the reason Cregan Stark being late the dance
Nah they were late bc they needed men for the harvest lol.
Pretty dumb the coolest story line they can make for cregan stark being late is the stark succession crisis where cregans uncle probably murdered his dad and tired usurping him which led to a civil war in the north the boltons were too weak for most of their recent history against the starks due to most of the starks having a damn brain and knowing who their biggest threat in the north
Or to have House Reyne or Tarbeck or someone rebel against the Lannisters to show how strong they were back then.
Well the Reynes where to attached to the Lannisters at that time mainly one being lord Jason mistress and the then lord tarbeck fought on the side of the greens
Who will win?Rhanerya?Or Greens?
Has anyone ever said your voice is so soothing and compelling at the same time
Having read over the Dance again, this time with the Rise of the Dragon book that came out with that beautiful art, it really is crazy how powerful the Riverlands are in this war. Tully, Bracken, and Blackwood just dominate the war really. The North, outside of maybe the Manderlys, don't get to do much. Neither do the Greyjoys really. House Aryn has some decent stuff. Outside of House Targaryen and Hightower, Tully and Baratheon really pull a lot of the weight.
dont forget the winter wolves from the north
The Dornish prevented Lord Boros and the Stormlanders from aiding Aegon and the Greens until it was pretty much too late.
The only contribution the Stormlands had in the civil war was retaking Kings Landing from the 3 dayfly Kings as the Shepherd, Gaemon Palehair & Tristan Truefyre (the Greens should not have spared Ser Perkin the Flea for the betrayal of his own squire, who he raised up as King - Perkin should have lost his head for his treachery) were styled and later against the Riverlords where Boros would deservedly meet his end at the end of Lord Tully's Morningstar.
@@0307scott
Why deservedly ??
Borros was a fine warrior and a decent man.
He slew 12 knights and a couple of lords in the battlefield before he died ...
@@0307scott Borros was just a coward who waited for the dragons to die before coming out to meet the Black's in battle...Dorne was just an excuse
@@buzzkill36
The ones depending upon the dragons are the actual cowards...
The black have the advantage of having more dragons but the Green has the Advantage of having more allies.
Not only in westeros but the Triachy of Essos as well. In fact (SPOILER)
It's the Triachy's fleet that kills Reanyra's firstborn child.
Blacks have better and more loyal allies, if I remember correctly the Triarchy fought in one battle and scrambeld back to Essos.
@@yusufraage8554 yes but the Black "good" allies take ages to assemble their forces.
@@unknownbenefactor8029 Plot Armor
@@yusufraage8554greens allied fought nail and tooth to backs aegon.
I like to think of the Dance as a conflict between Royalists and Loyalists:
Greens are Royalists💚 : Supporters of the eldest true-born son of the previous king. Aegon has every aspect of legitimacy that any king could have. Crowned in front of the people of Kings Landing by the High Septon, wearing the Conqueror's crown, bearing his sword, bearing his name etc. All of tradition and precedence is on his side. Those who support him are the Royalists who support their rightful king.
Blacks are Loyalists 🖤: Supporters of the King's chosen heir. They are those who are faithful to their vows and never forget a promise. They are those who put their own vows ahead of tradition, and honour the memory of King Viserys by upholding the rights of his eldest daughter.
That's just how I see it. Both have points of course, but I can't help but side with the Greens. 😍
A valid statement
Team Green 4 life
You all will receive a traitors death when the stranger takes your last breath!😉
Like the jacobites. Who will soon have a jacobite king no less. Thanks to years of inbreeding
Yeah I don't know about all of that... I just fanboy over Aemond. #TEAMGREEN
The riverlords are going to be the most essential. Riverlords will fight and beat the Lannister, Royal forces, The Hightowers and reach loyalists and single handly destroy the Baratheon in the final battle
Looking forward to seeing that on screen. 👍
Nah, they were too much op, especially after Aemond was burning them for a year (!)
It's so frustrating to think this would all been prevented if the small council didn't force Vissy T to remarry 😑
Or if he didn't declare Rhaenyra as heir apparent and made all those lords swear fealty to her claim.
Cos they were all happy to have a Queen before Aegon? No one would’ve challenged rule even though they made him marry to avert no male heir.
Heck they even started the show with the great council of 101AC showing a woman with the strongest claim being voted out.
Or if Viserys was just normal and made it clear his eldest legitimate son is his heir
@Jailow
Exactly, it's his fault above all else
@@Argos-xb8ek
Exactly. Should've named Aegon II the heir
Well the Ironisland are bitter rivals of the Westerlands. So they will join Rhaenyra only to spite the Lannisters and raid the ritch Westerlands.
And there is the Legend of the red kracken Dalton Greyjoy.
Well I mean the options are:
Join the green faction. Sail the fleet around Westeros and fight the Valryians at sea. Join the counsel as Master of ships.
Or
Join the blacks, raid the reach and westernlands without punishment from the queen
They chose the easier and more profitable route.
@@zachphillips7997 Sounds terribly exhausting.
Not realy "the old way", right?
@Haflinger01 no it isn't, westeros had evolved after the targaryen conquest.
Instead of 7 divided lands easy to raid and sack it became a single domain.
The old way was gone after Aegons conquest and it won't be seen again until Euron in Winds of Winter
@@zachphillips7997 Well some had try to revived it and one most notably was in fact Dalton Greyjoy, who was in power during the Dance of Dragons. The slot as Master of ships on the green councel was fild by a Lannister.
So the Ironisland will join the Blacks and the Ironman will raid Lannisport.
@Haflinger01 yes true and I agree but I don't think it's the old way.
Just based on the fact that Rheanyra gave them leave to attack those lands.
I really do hope we get to see the red Kraken as he is my favorite Greyjoy in the lore.
Can we accept George finna kick the bucket b4ore we get that last books
I’m sorry for you my friend you must have a sad life
I hope that’s the case for your goals in life.
Why yall bullying chrys george is way more than 70 what does he think he'll live till 110?
@@Lotus1313 “way more then 70” what does that even mean there’s lots of people “way more then 70”
@@kaiden247 he's 74, he's way more than 70 learn English
Can't wait to see the red kraken in action
You do good work my friend. Keep up the good work.
I hope HOTD doesn't deviate much from the books like GOT especially when it comes to showcasing some of the Minor Noble Houses & it's prominent members. Westorsi politics is more interesting if there are more players playing a game of thrones or dancers dancing the dance of dragons.
The combined fleets of Houses Lannister, Redwyne and Hightower plus the Royal Fleet itself definitely outnumber House Velaryon especially after the Sea Snake fought for years over the Stepstones.
The Mandarly fleet isn't of much use so if it comes to naval powers, the blacks need House Greyjoy
Team green💚💚
More than likely the starks will go with team black because Rheanyra is the rightful queen
Cregan will have to be bought with a promise of a royal marriage
She is just a princess
@@nicolas0402cregan still chose the rightful queen. Sorry not sorry
Vance’s in Riverlands, Dustins in North, and Peakes in the reach are also seem quite big and seem like notable omissions
Spoilers;
Interesting to think, Daemon hardly participated in the war till near the very end. Guy totally sat by as his allies were being smelted, and then when he decided to leave, he couldn't manage to track down the largest living Dragon in Westeros even with help. Aemond had to go to him 💀
And the Riverlands, as someone else pointed out, really did have some heavy plot armor. After Aemond and Vhagar brought their own "Dragon's Wroth" upon the Riverlands, it's a wonder they had the numbers or supplies to handle the Lannisters or Baratheons after that.
Ser Criston getting defeated was one thing, Aemond's annihilation hadn't started yet. But after? I've been told the Books go over how much of a wasteland the Riverlands are from the perspectives of just about everyone who marches through them. So where did "The Lads" get the plot armor to handle the Lannisters and Baratheons?
Also....
*"Aegon the King!"*
You trying so hard lmao...Just accept the fact other than having a better dragon there was nothing which Aemond had over Daemon...Daemon won the Black's King's Landing without breaking a sweat and Aemond's foolishness cost the Greens King's Landing
@@buzzkill36
And the Black's lost King's Landing due to the Green's preemptive measures. The Black's started thr blockade and then taxed the hell out of them.
Also, young Aemond is a better swordsman than Daemon. Trained by Ser Criston and had age on his size. Even the way they mount their Dragons in the end made note of how age was getting to Daemon.
@@thalmoragent9344 So how is this about Daemon?He was not in King's Landing if he was he would have prevented it
Anyways Daemon was knighted at 16 while Aemond is still getting training...also being trained by Cole dosen't make you better lmao... Rhaegar was trained by Gerold Hightower, Arthur Dayne and Barristan Selmy yet lost to Robert Baratheon
@@thalmoragent9344 The Blacks lost King's Landing to their own stupidity. They should have not taxed so heavily the smallfolk who suffered most from the war. The Greens didn't do anything that lost the Blacks King's Landing. They just removed the royal treasury and split it up between three locations. Now Boros Baratheon did reclaim King's Landing in the name of the Greens, after it was lost to massive riots. But the Greens were not the cause of the Blacks losing King's Landing.
Also, how do you know Aemond is a better swordsmen then Daemon? Sure Criston Cole trained Aemond, and Daemon lost to Criston Cole in a tourney. But that was only once.
Now, Aemond does have youth on his side, but we both know how the conflict plays out between the two.
Damn u gonna let him talk to u like that see i wouldnt have that thats just me though
To those who want to be spoiled, i believe the river lands, north, and vale join team blacks and tyrells join team green
Tyrells remain neutral and pretty much uninvolved during the entire war
It’s smart of them because their vassals were divided, as some joined the blacks and others the greens. If they had joined, they could either lose their lands and titles to one of their vassals if they joined the greens or if they had joined Aegon II, then they might lose their heads at the hands of Cregan Stark since they would support usurpers.
You forgot that the Iron Island were team black
Wrong, House Tyrell was neutral
It was the Baratheons, Hghtowers, Lannisters, some of the Reach, half of the Riverlands, and later the Velaryons for the Greens against the Velaryons(initially), half of the Riverlands, the Arryns, the Starks, some of the Reach, Tullys(eventually) and the Greyjoys(eventually) for the Blacks.
House green forever
Dorne is still a totally independent country at this point. Although, foreign countries often time involve themselves in civil wars of rival countries so they are still on the board.
Dorne stays completely out of it though. Wise move, all things considered
7:37
Is it just me or do they look completely clueless?
Just add that small "loading" circle above them and it'll be perfect!
Fantastic video keep it up you're doing amazing job
I wish you did this with book spoilers too great video
Blackkkk 🖤!
Dorne isn't part of the seven kingdoms yet, if anything they will side with a 3rd party in essos
As there is already Lore regarding thevDance of the Dragon... i Stick to that
I mean I think it’s safe to say House Stark is gonna go to the Blacks “there has never lived a Stark who forgot an oath.” Knowing what we know of Stark honor this oath is what secures them to the blacks more than all else and win or lose they will side with the ones they swore the oath to.
In the books they do
Starks need ages to assemble a army
Look at all these chickens
🦆 🦆 🦆
More than kingdoms are autonomous regions of a single kingdom, I know it's obvious, but it is estrange to hear it like that.
It doesn’t matter which house was on which team the only thing that could destroy the Targaryen dynasty was itself 😔
I love Team Black ⚡️but I support Team Green⚡️
Team Black all the way. Caraxes is the best boi
Yes
I am not going on any side cause i know everyone is going to die
Really wish we could have seen the Northern armies atleast participate in the battles and do fighting instead of you know doing nothing till the very end
They do in form of winter wolves formed from small folks, second and third sons of lords, old men who had nothing to lose in the war numbering around 3000 fought two battles in the war being fish feed(the battle that killed Criston cole(dishonourably but yes) and ended lannisters involvement in the war on the battlefield end) as well as first battle of tumbleton where roddy the ruin killed two of Otto’s nephews (one of whom were lord Hightower) before dying of his wounds. The main stark army because of multiple issues like requirement of men for harvest for the upcoming winter as well as tiredness from the civil war that had ended in the north just 3 years before war broke in the south, didn’t start to march until rhenyera’s death
Is there spoilers for season 2?
Never forget the Dustin’s of the North! Roddy the Ruin and the winter wolves!!!
Dustin is not a great house
"Anyone team Green is wrong"
Ah hell nah thems fighting words!!!
I mean, logically, the greens are in the wrong
@@kingofdragons7nah dawg viserys is
@@kingofdragons7the greens are in the right. They have every reason to rule the 7 kingdoms. Every piece of legitmacy belongs to them
@@Thrawn23. not really
I remain leal to queen rhaenyra
You need to fix your sibilance on your vocal recording (use a desser or angle your mic). Your videos are really good. 👍
The Baratheons are not unpredictable but they are very quick to anger. Duncan the Tall went from allying with Lyonel Baratheon to having to fight him over a cancelled betrothal of Egg's son to his daughter. Robert, Stannis, Renly and their father Steffon were quite stiff and predictable. Robert was only a powerful fighter because he was unconventional in terms of tactics. He was easy to manipulate otherwise.
The Tyrells refused to join in the fighting, as the lady of the house didn't want her young son threatened. They basically laid down their authority.The Rowans, Tarlys, Costaynes, Mullendores, Grimms and of course House Beesbury all supported the blacks as a result.
The Riverlands are not a kingdom but a region of Westeros loosely governed by House Tully. The seven kingdoms were The North, Westerlands, The Vale,The Reach, The Stormlands , The Iron Islands and Dorne- which the Targaryens always claimed even when they didn't rule it. The strongest armies are fielded by the Brackens , Blackwoods and Freys instead of their liege lord.
Dorne is not in the discussion of the Dance as they were not part of the Seven Kingdoms- but they hate Daemon and even supported the Triarchy against him in the Stepstones. An exile from House Yrnwood, the Martells' eternal rival serves in Rheanyra's court, so this will turn Dorne even more against Rheanyra, though they traditionally never send armies north of the marches for any reason.
House Caswell is not only one of the first houses to openly support Rheanyra, , they are the lords of Tumbleton, where two epic battles were fought that turned the war on its head.
The Vale is all for Rheanyra, but their only major military move came near the end where they sent forces to attack the crossroads alongside the Riverlands and Cregan Stark's Northmen. Lady Jeyne interestingly became one of Aegon III's regents afterwards.
You know what your talking about but got some wrong Caswell holds bitter bridge but who is the Yronwood you are talking about I would love to know more
What do you mean by Rhaenera's eldest Brat?
Jacaerys presumably 😂
Team green cuz I dont like following the herd💚
If being green is wroooooong 🎶
Ion wanna beeeeeeee right 🎶
Its so interesting that one would go and be like "ill support this rapist and his spoiled ass brothers bcz women bad 😡"
Love your content mate. 👍😊
Furious you didnt mention house Crane
House Stark are Team Black
But they will not fight 😆😆😆 they never came to war
@@debamlyabanerjee4067 they came late but they came.
@@gentle846 when they the war was over
@@debamlyabanerjee4067The war is over when aegon III got the thronw according to the book so nope he came at the end
@@scarletwizard5451 First of all rhaneyra was king aegon ii rival not her son and she died💀
Larys only join the greens because Alicents showed him what’s under her green dress 😂
He ain’t interested in that, he’s all about feet 🙈
No, it was because of the Hightowers, he became lord of Harrenhal
subscribing after what he said 9:12
Long live the rightful heir Aegon ii, *The Gold Dragon*
"Hire"?
Finally! I'm so sick of these Team Black stans, Daemon is a murdering psyco, and Rhaenyra would allow a bastard to succeed her. At least Aegon II is a legit dragon, not a Strong boy
@@kenthehobo that crippled mf that barely beat a war horse size dragon be serious please
What hire??
@@kenthehobo Aegon 2 is literally a rapist lmao...And murdering psycho??What did Aemond do to the innocent Riverlands
folks?Heck...look up what the coward did to House Strong his allies
I wonder which houses will join the Black's? The Starks?
Stark , Greyjoy , Arryn , Tully , Frey and Blackwood are some major ones that support Rhaenyra (besides Velaryon who we don’t speak about…)
@@nafsikaisbored thanks
Anyone Team Black is objectively wrong.
"Vhagar, the largest and most experienced dragon". Are we forgetting about Cannibal? And "experienced" in what exactly? Killing other dragons? That goes to Cannibal as well, hence the name.
Vhagar would kill the cannibal, mid difficulty
I’m glad that there is an actual divide in the fandom of blacks and greens, good to see the show doing it’s job. I’m personally on the blacks because all the blacks are hella awesome.
Except the Celtigars
Why is it good that there's a divide?
@@Thrawn23. because it allows for the audience to be less black and white, I hope I said that right
9.12 Nice marketing
Team green all the foken way
I try truly love channel
WC!!!!!
i would save whos so and more but thats in the books
Both are good blacks and greens, only one bad person and he is vesiyris
#teamblack 💯 🖤🖤
Team nobody here when Viserys named Rhaenyra over daemon that for the good of the realm that was right then married Rhaenyra best friend then she has a son every law and right aegon should be king and everybody obviously want aegon as king it would been good of the realm to name aegon over Rhaenyra it became obvious that after his first son is born that Viserys only keep Rhaenyra as heir because of guilt and grief Rhaenyra sleeps with daemon and the knight in the same night she should have been disinherited no good ruler would jeopardize her reputation like that she refused to find a husband so was married to a gay guy then have three bastards that suppose to rule after her how could you sit back a allow a bastard to carry your name the name of the conqueror if they would say that Rhaenyra three sons are bastards and name the children by daemon and Rhaenyra I would 100 percent support the blacks and if you say aegon have bastards to his bastards ain’t acknowledged and in line of succession no bastards are allowed in the line of the succession
Everything that happened was because Viserys guilt and grief for killing his wife and the child still died and because of Rhaenyra bastards sons is only her bastards was took out of the line of succession aegon claim would have been weak
You say you are team nobody, but judging from your comment, it feels like you're team green. And the king named Rhaenyra as his heir. And the hightowers bent the knee, which makes them oathbreakers.
@@TJ-fe7rr I’m not but I sympathize more with the greens in the tv shows they was just being wronged viserys Choice in heir was grief driven he said he wanted to unite the realm and don’t cause division but he did just that nyra trying to defend what her father wanted her to have i respect that but she and the greens reaped what they sowed and both sides are wrong yes the hightowers are oath breakers but it’s said when viserys died most the lords who swore a oath to nyra is Dead
@@TJ-fe7rrhightowers didn't broke any oaths and a daughter can't become heir over a son
Team Green all the way 💚
I kind of hope the show doesnt show a bias to the blacks
Thats what they've been doing to all the fans that are team black just wanna pretend like it isn't. They made it seem like rhaenyra is this tragic hero wanting us to ignore all her transgressions. And they made the greens look like the villians
#TeamIronBank4lyfe
Team green are all traders!
Would explain why they're so rich 💲💲💲
What were they trading ?
That is actually correct. The Hightowers have long been known for promoting trade and commerce and staying out of wars thus causing Oldtown to prosper into the richest city of Westeros and becoming one of the wealthiest houses of Westeros. The Lannisters of course are equally financially savvy and control the third largest city Lannisport. So the Greens control the realms major trading hubs, they are incredibly rich and they possess the royal treasury and know just how to put it to good use.
I thought Sir Criston Cole was from Dorne...
In the show they changed it for some reason
Criston Cole is Dornish, not from the Stormlands.
House cole is sworn to house dondarrion which is sworn to house Baratheon in the stormlands.
@TJ-fe7rr His father is the steward at Blackhaven. Criston is of Dornish descent.
Criston fought for a year as a footsoldier in border conflicts with Dorne. After taking part in the razing of two watchtowers along the Boneway, he was knighted by Ser Arlan Dondarrion.[
If memory serves me right over 50 houses for the blacks and under 30 for the green's.
Most of the black houses didn't even came to fight 😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆
@@debamlyabanerjee4067 How did you come to that conclusion?
@@brianlong2334 tell where were the vale houses and northern houses in the fight i have one house in mention Dustins
@debamlyabanerjee4067 What houses were in what battles then, mate?
Most of the war was in the river lands.
A quick look at 13 out of 17 I can find and this is what I come up with.
I've got
Blacks houses
Blackwood
Stounton
Velaryon
Breesberry
Caswell
Costayne
Rowan
Tarley
Piper
Vance
Dusten
Grey
Footly
Merryweather
Derry
Deddings
Vypren
17
Greens
Bracken
High towers
Peake
Roxton
Lancaster
Lefford
Reyne
Swift
Tarbec
Wyled
10
@@brianlong2334 stounton didn't even fight they were just hidden in there castle meleys just fought for them merrywather, vyprens just bend there knees without any fight and join the greens footlys didn't fight green forces took there town rowan bend there knees
About the green houses
Hightowers, roxton, peake and redwyne all took over the reach and houses oakhearts, laygoods, norcrox and the lords of shield islands gave there armys and house merrywather and grimm former black supporters joined them and you forgot roosbey and stokeworth and you spelling of lannister is worng and you forget baratheons
Team black all day!
Stark, aryn and iron island joined team black.please read the book....my gosh no embarassment please.
Starks and arrynes didn't even came to fight they after the war was over and iron islands didn't do much just attacked lannsport and fair island
@@debamlyabanerjee4067 the starks and arryns came at the end of the war and the greyjoys attacked the westerlands which is more than what the baratheons did
@@scarletwizard5451 the war was already over when king aegon ii executed princess rhaneyra arrynes and starks didn't fought any battles about the baratheons they fought Dornish invaders During the dance because a vulture king attacked Dornish marches and the greyjoys attacked the westerlands for themselves not for rhaneyra and they just attacked the lannisport and fair island
@@debamlyabanerjee4067 I assume you did not read F&B.
The war was officialy over when Aegon III married Jahaera.
Queen Rhaenyras death was nearly at the end of it but the starks arryns finished the job of the blacks and so the war ended
@@scarletwizard5451 i read fire and blood war is officially over when princess rhaneyra died that's why aegon ii is mentioned as king because his rival is dead
What about house Dayne?
They are sworn to house Martell
@@krishna5084 I totally forgot that thank you
Not you dissing jaserys
nope still no fighting in season 2 still picking blah blah blah
Your last comment will get you channel banned. I will personally see to it.
Vagar Is not the biggest dragon. Its the "cannibal", a dragon Who lives on dragons Stone that is the doublesize and Age of vagar
Those are just legends, Balerion was just a little bit older than Vhagar and couldn't even fly anymore. I believe the Cannibal was Maegor's hatchling
the best thing about this show. Actually the only good thing about this show. Is it is a great sexist detector.
For real. Regardless of side, this show brings out the absolute worst in fans for no reason whatsoever. Disgusting stuff tbh.
While rheanyra sent her eldest brat 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Her "eldest brat" caused the Vale and the North to join Rhaenyra
@@kingofdragons7 I mean, the Starks were going to join anyway, the Arryns probably as well.
But then again, the Baratheons were supposed to too and....
@@KaiHung-wv3ul the Arryns, perhaps, because they have blood ties with Rhaenyra, but the Starks, i think they would have stayed out of it if it wasn't for Jacaerys
@@kingofdragons7 vale and north were useless didn't even came to fight😆
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I’ve never been this early 😅
The boy Varys says is Rhaegars Son is really a Blakfyre pretender this why Golden Company fighting for him...they only Support a Blackfyre never a Targaryen
TEAM BLACKKKK
Picking Embiid over Jokic is like picking Preston Greenfield over Arthur Dayne
'Anyone who supports greens is wrong' lmaooo
i support team green reply please
@@debamlyabanerjee4067so do I. They should have went to the riverlands for an alliance as well. Them all with many houses in the Reach, Stormlands, and the redwine fleet would be pretty much unstoppable
@Thrawn23. If they got the tyrells on their side it would've been over so quickly.
Here is a comment HotD is overrated
He said “anyone who’s team green is wrong” 😂😂 AMEN 🙏
But anyone team green is wrong. Haha
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As soon as one goes down righteously, whatever!
Five episodes in,. and all I can say is,....boring