Britain stopped mounting trumpeters on Greys in the 1780s or 90s (iirc). The general order stated specifically that Greys should no longer be used for such a purpose.
@@NapoleonicWargaming - Yes. General order from the Adjutant-General, Horse Guards, 1799. “The custom of mounting trumpeters on grey horses is to be discontinued, and they are in future to be mounted on horses of the colour or colours prescribed for the regiments to which they belong.” This order certainly applied to all the heavy cavalry regiments including dragoons. Less clear if it also applied to light cavalry regiments.
@@NapoleonicWargamingthis order was reissued in 1811 and was probably also ignored by colonels of all cavalry regiments again, which might explain why the present day equivalent are mounted on greys or white horse 🤔
Scale Color Brown Leather is an excellent selection for a solid brown horse. White horses are always a fun challenge. Great video as always. God Bless the Cavalry!
I love painting horses in many different colors. But there is one thing I like to do I will take brown then I will add one drop of white or black paint and mix it that is one company then the second company two drops of white or black same thing again for the third company three drops white or black. This will give the Calvary regiment many different shades of colors and it looks beautiful
Vallejo Beige Brown is a good colour for brown horse. 50/50 mix of watered down black wash over the top is usually enough, but going over the horse again with the brown to highlight is usually better. Vallejo US Field Drab isnt too bad if you're stuck for a brown colour. You just need to go over them with a brown wash if its not just right. Vallejo Flat Brown and Sand Brown are also good colours.
As someone completely new to Napoleonic wargaming I found this really interesting. Thanks for the great info and video! Time to go watch the rest of your videos! 😄
Welcome aboard! That's really great to hear because I thought, it's one of those things you think people will know, but really why would they?! I'm sure of a lot of grognards rolled their eyes at the topic, but even if its helped just you, it was worth it! So thanks man, really appreciated!
I notice in many paintings of the upper echalon of officers they are often depicted on coloured horses (skewbalds/piebalds), ie Poniatowski and Napoleon. but the continentals have never had the bias towards coloured horses that the English have.
Great stuff. The Scot’s greys road chesnut sat Waterloo, it’s in their returns and officers claims. The British guard units trumpeters still had greys as per the return also according to Lawson. You should pop your colours into the text. I like to paint white socks or stockings with cream hoofs as per the normal markings.
Very useful as always Tim. Hope you enjoyed Adepticon. I came across a very handy paint guide for horses via Warhipster. Now he does only Games Workshop from what I can tell. He did a video on Middle Earth Strategy battle game Rohan. Best yet he uses the contrast colours and I found it really useful.
Around 1811 the Bavarian dragoons were redesigned to chevaulegers due to the heavy horses they had being killed by Tyrollean raids. In nutshell, when painting Bavarian dragoons after 1811, any horse color goes out the window. I just kept to black though, contrasts better with the white uniforms.
Thanks Tim very informative! Yep hate painting bloody horses and gave up 28s a long time ago as I couldn't do them justice. 10mm are a lot easier and a lot more forgiving 😊👍
Haha. I've not painted *much* 10mm (just some warmaster) and they look fantastic en masse. If you've not tried out the contrast paints, I'd definitely recommend them, especially at small scale
Excellent vid. Only clarification missing is how "grey" horses apparently aren't (well, they're much lighter gray, borderline white, when at fighting age, than I would imagine when I hear "grey")
The every day description white/grey covers several genetic phenotypes from albino pure whites to genetic dilutes of black and they all behave differently. The way the colour is expressed is also affected by sex mares fading more than geldings that in turn fade more than stallions. Hence black stallions are used to pull hearses as they are the blackest black.
Recently did a commission of 1805 Russian guard cuirassiers. The much better informed client instructed me to paint the officers on grey horses which was different from the norm.
I HAVE A QUESTION, maybe someone who has read up on it can help- WHAT happened to the MASSIVE amount of "Prisoners of War" that were taken by ALL SIDES during the Napoleonic Wars?? Let's say you were one of the 30,000 French taken at "The Battle of the Nations" at Leipzig when the bridge was prematurely blown up- were these men ever released to return or forced to switch sides, etc...???
Google up images of the South Australian Police Greys. Great representation of the Scots Greys from the modern era. Some menu's I've been using for 8 years : Cavalry brown + Agrax,Blue Grey pale + Agrax,Gold Brown + Agrax,Black + Black red 50/50.
I find pictures of an actual horse then try to copy it. Recently read artillery grouped colors of horses on the limbers to ease identification what guns went to what limbers.
I think the DRAGOONS had the hardest time on the battlefield, all you need is to fire off a shot riding your horse and it panics and tosses you off!!!🐴
Horses were trained to get used to the sound of gunfire. By the Napoleonic Wars nearly all horsemen had a carbine which they fired mounted, not just dragoons.
Britain stopped mounting trumpeters on Greys in the 1780s or 90s (iirc). The general order stated specifically that Greys should no longer be used for such a purpose.
Really? I did not know that. I shall pin this comment so people can see!
@@NapoleonicWargaming - Yes. General order from the Adjutant-General, Horse Guards, 1799.
“The custom of mounting trumpeters on grey horses is to be discontinued, and they are in future to be mounted on horses of the colour or colours prescribed for the regiments to which they belong.”
This order certainly applied to all the heavy cavalry regiments including dragoons. Less clear if it also applied to light cavalry regiments.
@sirrathersplendid4825 fantastic, thank you!
@@NapoleonicWargamingthis order was reissued in 1811 and was probably also ignored by colonels of all cavalry regiments again, which might explain why the present day equivalent are mounted on greys or white horse 🤔
But the returns for the guards still have greys for the trumpeters at Waterloo according to Lawson.
I sometimes use Black Templar for black, but Cygor Brown is a lovely dark brown almost black but still giving definition.
I've not tried the Cygor, I'll deffo have to check it out. I've got some Russian Cuirassiers to paint, so that sounds perfect!
Scale Color Brown Leather is an excellent selection for a solid brown horse. White horses are always a fun challenge. Great video as always. God Bless the Cavalry!
Kettle drummers in the French cavalry traditionally rode 'coloured' house IE piebald, skewbald with black and white or brown and white patches.
I love painting horses in many different colors. But there is one thing I like to do I will take brown then I will add one drop of white or black paint and mix it that is one company then the second company two drops of white or black same thing again for the third company three drops white or black. This will give the Calvary regiment many different shades of colors and it looks beautiful
That's a great idea!
Vallejo Beige Brown is a good colour for brown horse. 50/50 mix of watered down black wash over the top is usually enough, but going over the horse again with the brown to highlight is usually better.
Vallejo US Field Drab isnt too bad if you're stuck for a brown colour. You just need to go over them with a brown wash if its not just right.
Vallejo Flat Brown and Sand Brown are also good colours.
As someone completely new to Napoleonic wargaming I found this really interesting. Thanks for the great info and video!
Time to go watch the rest of your videos! 😄
Welcome aboard! That's really great to hear because I thought, it's one of those things you think people will know, but really why would they?! I'm sure of a lot of grognards rolled their eyes at the topic, but even if its helped just you, it was worth it! So thanks man, really appreciated!
I notice in many paintings of the upper echalon of officers they are often depicted on coloured horses (skewbalds/piebalds), ie Poniatowski and Napoleon. but the continentals have never had the bias towards coloured horses that the English have.
Great stuff. The Scot’s greys road chesnut sat Waterloo, it’s in their returns and officers claims. The British guard units trumpeters still had greys as per the return also according to Lawson. You should pop your colours into the text. I like to paint white socks or stockings with cream hoofs as per the normal markings.
Very useful as always Tim. Hope you enjoyed Adepticon. I came across a very handy paint guide for horses via Warhipster. Now he does only Games Workshop from what I can tell. He did a video on Middle Earth Strategy battle game Rohan. Best yet he uses the contrast colours and I found it really useful.
The prussian trompeters did have the same the other troops. One reason was the ts did blew for assemble in the front and advance.
On campaign you took whatever remounts you could get, I try to vary the colors of my horses within a unit as possible with in a unit.
Great video thank you or taking the time to make it 👍🏻
More importantly, thanks for taking the time to watch it!
Around 1811 the Bavarian dragoons were redesigned to chevaulegers due to the heavy horses they had being killed by Tyrollean raids. In nutshell, when painting Bavarian dragoons after 1811, any horse color goes out the window. I just kept to black though, contrasts better with the white uniforms.
Thanks Tim very informative! Yep hate painting bloody horses and gave up 28s a long time ago as I couldn't do them justice. 10mm are a lot easier and a lot more forgiving 😊👍
Haha. I've not painted *much* 10mm (just some warmaster) and they look fantastic en masse. If you've not tried out the contrast paints, I'd definitely recommend them, especially at small scale
Thanks Tim, will give them a try👍
Excellent vid. Only clarification missing is how "grey" horses apparently aren't (well, they're much lighter gray, borderline white, when at fighting age, than I would imagine when I hear "grey")
The every day description white/grey covers several genetic phenotypes from albino pure whites to genetic dilutes of black and they all behave differently. The way the colour is expressed is also affected by sex mares fading more than geldings that in turn fade more than stallions. Hence black stallions are used to pull hearses as they are the blackest black.
Still looking for a rich orangey-brown to paint bay horses. A single shade is not really enough, as you need a second, brighter colour for highlights.
have you tried Foundry Triples? They do Bay
Hey question what size do you use for basing?
Im thinking about 55mm with 3 men in two ranks for infantry/ command
Recently did a commission of 1805 Russian guard cuirassiers. The much better informed client instructed me to paint the officers on grey horses which was different from the norm.
I would absolutely take his word for it!
I HAVE A QUESTION, maybe someone who has read up on it can help- WHAT happened to the MASSIVE amount of "Prisoners of War" that were taken by ALL SIDES during the Napoleonic Wars?? Let's say you were one of the 30,000 French taken at "The Battle of the Nations" at Leipzig when the bridge was prematurely blown up- were these men ever released to return or forced to switch sides, etc...???
Google up images of the South Australian Police Greys. Great representation of the Scots Greys from the modern era. Some menu's I've been using for 8 years : Cavalry brown + Agrax,Blue Grey pale + Agrax,Gold Brown + Agrax,Black + Black red 50/50.
I find pictures of an actual horse then try to copy it.
Recently read artillery grouped colors of horses on the limbers to ease identification what guns went to what limbers.
Yeah. Similarly to different squadrons having different colours it was definitely an ideal. Not sure how achievable it was though
I think the DRAGOONS had the hardest time on the battlefield, all you need is to fire off a shot riding your horse and it panics and tosses you off!!!🐴
Horses were trained to get used to the sound of gunfire. By the Napoleonic Wars nearly all horsemen had a carbine which they fired mounted, not just dragoons.
Cool 🏇