@@edmg7 Horimiya still exactly has problem with going in circle. Not as much as standard romance, but it still has. Even more so because one specific chapter is just thrown under the bus by the author because it was very controversial with the reader. Ironically that chapter actually can move the plot forward, but after throwing it under the bus the plot just get back to stagnant again.
She is like Mumei then who dislikes Romance, or at least the portrayal of romance in animes where no one communicates, misunderstandings always happen.
Some of my favorite romance stories are the ones where romance isn't the sole focus of the plot, just the secondary or extra part of what's really going on. As far as online comics, I usually read titles by people I discovered as artists before they got into comics or before I even knew they were doing comics at all.
I would watch the hell out of a drama about how relationships actually work. I swear that romance stories should have to pay reparations with how much damage theyve done to our concept of how relationships should work
Approve wholeheartedly. People can say to theyself "i know that is not how it is in real life" but human's brain dont care and cant distinct reality from fiction, so sweet romances affect inner expectations from relationships anyway (and drama usually just exploit any real and stereotypical things in relationships and make people nonsensically cynical. So no inbetween and thats bad)
Perfect taste. Yeah Shounen is boys demographic, Seinen is men, Shoujo is girls, and Josei is Women. There is also kodomo-muke which is like young young kids. Shounen has the biggest magazines like Jump and Sunday as they get the most attention and sales since things that target that demographic also is the easiest to appeal to all demos. Shoujo manga is more available than anime for that reason. Seinen anime are a bit unexpected, like, Lucky Star is one as is Nichijou. Most Josei anime as of late are actually H anime, and there seems to be a new one every season for the last few years, usually about a woman getting abused by multiple men in a sexy love triangle. Yeah, well, 50 Shades of Grey was popular with women for a reason...
Honestly, I think at this point that publication is what determines what genre a manga is gonna be because, like you said, it's strange that Lucky Star is a Seinen, then you'll have series like Death Note that story would fit the Seinen demographic but no its a Shounen.
Pulling up a top 20 list lets see what I'm familiar with. I enjoyed Ouran High School Host Club as a slice of life. Kaichou wa Maid-sama was pretty fun. Fruits Basket was ok. Kamisama Kiss was fun. Toradora! was fun. But yes all of these are very casual slice of life. If you wanted a story where it was slice of life with a pissed off woman, that's mostly what ya get. At least for 5 of the 20.
The Ouran anime is really good, it's actually funny. Fruits Basket is soo good, at the start is more o less tame but when Akito appears it really start shining, I like a lot the way it treats some mature themes like Toxic relationships (mostly in a Family context)
I mean, I can understand what she means with some romance plots being... Very repetitive, but I still enjoy them with my brain off lol. It's only so bad if there's no resolution to it.
I Wonder, maybe she could like 86? I know im biased 'cauze i love It, and there's subtle romance and "no villain", but its a pretty tragic story, ALL thing considered..
Goated anime, it always impress me when people say modern anime is shit when exist things like 86, Ousama Ranking, Mushoku, Frieren, and a shit-ton of anime that are easily a 8-9/10
Yeah, maybe it's just me but I feel like Webtoons in particular is guilty of having a lot of really well drawn comics that repeat the same tropes to the point they get driven into the ground. Like, stop me if you've heard this Webtoon romance: girl from the real world dies and gets her mind transferred into the body of her favorite dating sim/fantasy character who just happens to be the villain of the main story, changes the villain's ways so now she's actually a good person loved and respected by all, the male lead falls in hopelessly in love with the former villainess/new main lead, and the old main lead turns out to be the new villain of the new story. If you're an avid webtoons reader, you can probably name five different titles off the top of your head that match the description I just gave exactly. The worst part is the "old main lead turns evil" bit was first done in _I'm the Villainess, so I'm Taming the Final Boss,_ the manga I'm pretty certain pioneered this whole genre, but that manga actually had a good reason why the original main character turned. And everyone else is doing it just to copy the original's homework without understanding the assignment
LOL yes! One Webcomics that i still think is THE BEST in this kind of Tropes is "The Villainess Lives Twices/Live Again" the world building is so good.. and im so glad Last boss villainess and 7th loop get an anime adaptation
For romance mangas , especially “harems”, its normally obvious who they’re going to end up with(usually the worst). The solution is just to go for rom coms with pre established pairs like nozaki kun monthly girl
My favorite harem was Maga-Tsuki mainly because it was fun to have the harem flipped on its head. The main character wanted a relationship with his childhood friend. He was all for it. Then suddenly a bunch of gods all start falling in love with him. He doesn't reject them outright but he also doesn't love them. All he really wants, is his childhood friend. It's fun when a cliché has a twist.
"Here's a cast of varied girls/guys with different appeals and interesting backstories. The main character will fall in love with the generic tsundere with the most basic design."
@@MINIMAN10000 why he doesn't reject them though lol,is he even a man,that's why I like main character like araragi or hachiman even though isn't even a harem but still
Boomeronii is kinda related. You used to keep updated with anime as a kid/teen, but as you grow up you kinda slow down and stick to the anime/manga of your generation.
I watch romance back then and lot of good romance to watch like byosoku 5 centimeter, nerawareta gakuen. nowadays no good romance story afaik thus nowadays i just watch shonen or seinen
Damn literally me with the thousands of comics on the phone and not liking romance. I don't use webtoon but Asurascans and instead mine are either about magic or swords, i've read so many but the only ones i've actually enjoyed are Solo Leveling, Return of the Shattered Constellation, and The Return of The Crazy Demon. But even then I still nitpick about them, seen so many Manhwa/Manhua and still wonder if an actual human has made these because there always so cheesy.
Agree with Kronii btw.. For me, all shoujo ended when the couple get together.. After another rival spawned, I just wait and skip to the ending usually.
I can't stand rivals. I was vibing just enjoying the story then boom, some random asshole came just killed the mood. Whoever started the trend of jealousy arcs being a part of romance genre, you have my undying spite.
If you want a fun isekai with girls but no romance, i recommend _Didn't I say to make my abilities average in the next life._ It's just a straight up comedy with an overpowered protagonist. Kinda like One Punch Man, but less over-the-top and more cute.
‘Romance’ series frequently suffer from the No Sex problem. Effectively, you can only progress so far in a relationship without having sex, so once they’ve done everything they can up to that point, they have to start repeating actions and plot points, as there is nothing ‘new’ they can do until they’ve had sex. That’s why series frequently devolve into harems, it’s a way to reset the timer.
Yo, I kinda get it. Some romance have some interesting world or theme but romance is not really for me, so I just end up following the other character and ignore the romance parts.
When me and my friends went to watch hunger games one of them said "Time to watch american Battle Royale (nipponese film)." Because 3 of us had already seen that. So to this day I call hunger games a battle royale rip off.
She's exactly like me, and fking shojo keep bitching back and forth. The premises were very interting like reborn to isekai be a oujousama, but they don't focus on "Story", They focus on drama lovey dovey BS.
are you just assuming because edgy young teens like it or did you read the official JP tags? Tokyo Ghoul covers mature topics such as sex (not ecchi), mental torture, physical torture, cannibalism, trauma, etc. They don't skip/censor them like say JJK or Demon Slayer, both anime and manga show it to audience directly as it happens (sex not in the anime tho)
@@pasta8026 I assume that after watching the first season when it was released back then and reading the first 50-ish chapter I think ? (it's been quite a while don't remember exactly until where did I read). And yeah, sorry, even after that, it's more of an edgy shonen than a seinen imo. but it looks like even on the JP wiki page, it is categorized as Seinen. not sure I agree, but guess my sensitivity is not quite the same it seems.
Its 100% a seinen, It was serialized on the most sold seinen magazine in Japan (young Jump), you Just probably don't know what a seinen Is and you assume seinen mean violent or mature psicological manga.. Just for saying some other seinen: k-on in a seinen, lovelive, umaru Chan, Miss Kobayashi's Dragon Maid are seinen
@@soracifer5708 >you Just probably don't know what a seinen Is and you assume seinen mean violent or mature psicological manga hahahahahaha k, sure :')
@@nekogami87 understandable. tags can be quite confusing or inaccurate sometimes. I just assume it was seinen since no shonen will actually show torture on screen, they will get in trouble otherwise since these tags serves as a form of Parental Guidance
I think some authors just have a problem with romance. specially authors that lack so much experience in romance or don't know anything about real life relationship
Romance stories in general tend to focus on the chase. As it can be the most exhilarating or scary. Because after the honeymoon period it becomes rather mundane, slice-of-life, or just becomes a drama.
To be honest Ranma 1/2 anime in japanese is actually pretty bad. The Dub is way better up until the VA for male type Ranma quit to act in soap operas. After that happened I stopped watching it.
Interesting, since I rarely saw anime with dubs, and no offense, it felt really weird watching anime with dub. What makes the dub better, than the original, especially Ranma is an old anime. The only good EN dub I found was mostly in games, MGS, RE, and XB3.
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She's got a point that pure romance series have a tendency of just going in circles over and over
I yell "GET ON WITH IT!" constantly at romance in manga
That's why I like Horimiya so much.
Then there's 'My Monster Secret' having the couple get together halfway through and then giving everyone character arcs for a satisfying ending.
@@SpecterVonBaren Finally something worth reading.
@@edmg7 Horimiya still exactly has problem with going in circle. Not as much as standard romance, but it still has. Even more so because one specific chapter is just thrown under the bus by the author because it was very controversial with the reader. Ironically that chapter actually can move the plot forward, but after throwing it under the bus the plot just get back to stagnant again.
She is like Mumei then who dislikes Romance, or at least the portrayal of romance in animes where no one communicates, misunderstandings always happen.
Some of my favorite romance stories are the ones where romance isn't the sole focus of the plot, just the secondary or extra part of what's really going on. As far as online comics, I usually read titles by people I discovered as artists before they got into comics or before I even knew they were doing comics at all.
omg Kronii is so me when it comes to things like this hahaha
Kronii dislikes Romance.
Kronii, forever alone?
クロニーを知るたびにどんどん人間っぽくないのが面白いよな。
赤ちゃんをクリーチャーって言ってたのおもろいわw
?
I would watch the hell out of a drama about how relationships actually work. I swear that romance stories should have to pay reparations with how much damage theyve done to our concept of how relationships should work
Approve wholeheartedly. People can say to theyself "i know that is not how it is in real life" but human's brain dont care and cant distinct reality from fiction, so sweet romances affect inner expectations from relationships anyway
(and drama usually just exploit any real and stereotypical things in relationships and make people nonsensically cynical. So no inbetween and thats bad)
Perfect taste.
Yeah Shounen is boys demographic, Seinen is men, Shoujo is girls, and Josei is Women. There is also kodomo-muke which is like young young kids. Shounen has the biggest magazines like Jump and Sunday as they get the most attention and sales since things that target that demographic also is the easiest to appeal to all demos. Shoujo manga is more available than anime for that reason. Seinen anime are a bit unexpected, like, Lucky Star is one as is Nichijou. Most Josei anime as of late are actually H anime, and there seems to be a new one every season for the last few years, usually about a woman getting abused by multiple men in a sexy love triangle. Yeah, well, 50 Shades of Grey was popular with women for a reason...
Honestly, I think at this point that publication is what determines what genre a manga is gonna be because, like you said, it's strange that Lucky Star is a Seinen, then you'll have series like Death Note that story would fit the Seinen demographic but no its a Shounen.
@@Eternal-7 It is all publisher based. Although with web and self publishing being more popular as of late, it gets blurry.
Lot of shoujo manga actually got adapted as live action without getting anime afaik.
@@mardshima2070 yes the live action drama tend to be shoujo or josei.
most seinen isnt really _for men_ and is more like for teenage boys who think being edgy is mature
That's a 20 year plus shounen anime
Pulling up a top 20 list lets see what I'm familiar with. I enjoyed Ouran High School Host Club as a slice of life. Kaichou wa Maid-sama was pretty fun. Fruits Basket was ok. Kamisama Kiss was fun. Toradora! was fun. But yes all of these are very casual slice of life. If you wanted a story where it was slice of life with a pissed off woman, that's mostly what ya get. At least for 5 of the 20.
I unironically enjoy Ouran
The Ouran anime is really good, it's actually funny.
Fruits Basket is soo good, at the start is more o less tame but when Akito appears it really start shining, I like a lot the way it treats some mature themes like Toxic relationships (mostly in a Family context)
Sadly good romance is hard to come by in anime/manga without it becoming a herem, just going nowhere or incest.
I mean, I can understand what she means with some romance plots being... Very repetitive, but I still enjoy them with my brain off lol. It's only so bad if there's no resolution to it.
With Shoujo is just about searching the good ones, Nana and Fruits Basket(The New Version) are super good and both are Shouji
I Wonder, maybe she could like 86? I know im biased 'cauze i love It, and there's subtle romance and "no villain", but its a pretty tragic story, ALL thing considered..
86 was good, still haven't finished s2 though
@@UnknownGamer40464part 2 is better actually
Goated anime, it always impress me when people say modern anime is shit when exist things like 86, Ousama Ranking, Mushoku, Frieren, and a shit-ton of anime that are easily a 8-9/10
Yeah, maybe it's just me but I feel like Webtoons in particular is guilty of having a lot of really well drawn comics that repeat the same tropes to the point they get driven into the ground.
Like, stop me if you've heard this Webtoon romance: girl from the real world dies and gets her mind transferred into the body of her favorite dating sim/fantasy character who just happens to be the villain of the main story, changes the villain's ways so now she's actually a good person loved and respected by all, the male lead falls in hopelessly in love with the former villainess/new main lead, and the old main lead turns out to be the new villain of the new story. If you're an avid webtoons reader, you can probably name five different titles off the top of your head that match the description I just gave exactly.
The worst part is the "old main lead turns evil" bit was first done in _I'm the Villainess, so I'm Taming the Final Boss,_ the manga I'm pretty certain pioneered this whole genre, but that manga actually had a good reason why the original main character turned. And everyone else is doing it just to copy the original's homework without understanding the assignment
LOL yes!
One Webcomics that i still think is THE BEST in this kind of Tropes is "The Villainess Lives Twices/Live Again"
the world building is so good..
and im so glad Last boss villainess and 7th loop get an anime adaptation
MSN I remember when I dropped ichigo 100%. I need to pick that back up.
That's a mood though. Romance gets stale after a while xD I just want the fun adventure! The fun idea but no, it focuses in romance lol.
Oh boy.. imagine if she read rental girlfriend
cruel and unusual punishment
Based Kronii
Reminds me of what put me off of pokemon anime whem it aired in the USA.
For romance mangas , especially “harems”, its normally obvious who they’re going to end up with(usually the worst). The solution is just to go for rom coms with pre established pairs like nozaki kun monthly girl
My favorite harem was Maga-Tsuki mainly because it was fun to have the harem flipped on its head. The main character wanted a relationship with his childhood friend. He was all for it. Then suddenly a bunch of gods all start falling in love with him. He doesn't reject them outright but he also doesn't love them. All he really wants, is his childhood friend. It's fun when a cliché has a twist.
"Here's a cast of varied girls/guys with different appeals and interesting backstories. The main character will fall in love with the generic tsundere with the most basic design."
For me I liked Amagami SS, where instead of doing the harem concept it gave each of the female characters their own story with the male character.
@@MINIMAN10000 why he doesn't reject them though lol,is he even a man,that's why I like main character like araragi or hachiman even though isn't even a harem but still
Why did she say Madoka like that xD
Boomeronii is kinda related. You used to keep updated with anime as a kid/teen, but as you grow up you kinda slow down and stick to the anime/manga of your generation.
I watch romance back then and lot of good romance to watch like byosoku 5 centimeter, nerawareta gakuen. nowadays no good romance story afaik thus nowadays i just watch shonen or seinen
Ranma 1/2 is a lot better as a manga than an anime, honestly.
Damn literally me with the thousands of comics on the phone and not liking romance. I don't use webtoon but Asurascans and instead mine are either about magic or swords, i've read so many but the only ones i've actually enjoyed are Solo Leveling, Return of the Shattered Constellation, and The Return of The Crazy Demon. But even then I still nitpick about them, seen so many Manhwa/Manhua and still wonder if an actual human has made these because there always so cheesy.
It doesn't take much to be horny and then put your horny down on paper
Agree with Kronii btw.. For me, all shoujo ended when the couple get together.. After another rival spawned, I just wait and skip to the ending usually.
I can't stand rivals. I was vibing just enjoying the story then boom, some random asshole came just killed the mood. Whoever started the trend of jealousy arcs being a part of romance genre, you have my undying spite.
Ranma anime great till season 3 then it gets kinda weird with filler. Ova also cool
Yeah I treat webtoons as junk food.
Kimi no Iru Machi went on too freakin long...
If you want a fun isekai with girls but no romance, i recommend _Didn't I say to make my abilities average in the next life._ It's just a straight up comedy with an overpowered protagonist. Kinda like One Punch Man, but less over-the-top and more cute.
Brother, i think we should tell kronii to watch akame ga kill and cyberpunk edgerunners. She will love them
Has she not watched/read Magic Knight Rayearth? Escaflowne? These are literally shoujo, isekai AND mecha.
I thought Escaflowne was good; should I check out MKR?
@@StupidAnon-gn8ih Definitely check it out. Being CLAMP's only mecha anime, (they only did character design for Code Geass) they did a good job.
@@nicodalusong149 Thanks. That's going at the top of my 'free time' list.
‘Romance’ series frequently suffer from the No Sex problem.
Effectively, you can only progress so far in a relationship without having sex, so once they’ve done everything they can up to that point, they have to start repeating actions and plot points, as there is nothing ‘new’ they can do until they’ve had sex.
That’s why series frequently devolve into harems, it’s a way to reset the timer.
Based erased watcher
Should check out the Erased manga. It’s much better. They didn’t cut out an entire arc.
Yo, I kinda get it. Some romance have some interesting world or theme but romance is not really for me, so I just end up following the other character and ignore the romance parts.
Well...there is also yuri\shoujo ai if u interested kroni. They got this very good story of gal pals being roommate and stuffs
Pretty similar to my taste. I hate romance and school related anime.
When me and my friends went to watch hunger games one of them said "Time to watch american Battle Royale (nipponese film)." Because 3 of us had already seen that.
So to this day I call hunger games a battle royale rip off.
"The real One Piece is the friends and adventures we shared"
But can we get much HIGHER
I'm sick of seeing 200+ chapter shit that never progresses
She's exactly like me, and fking shojo keep bitching back and forth. The premises were very interting like reborn to isekai be a oujousama, but they don't focus on "Story", They focus on drama lovey dovey BS.
tokyo ghoul is recent by Inuyasha standards, I guess.
Kronii has trauma maybe?
Since when is Tokyo Ghoul a seinen ? what part exactly is cause that was 100% shonen last time I read it.
are you just assuming because edgy young teens like it or did you read the official JP tags? Tokyo Ghoul covers mature topics such as sex (not ecchi), mental torture, physical torture, cannibalism, trauma, etc. They don't skip/censor them like say JJK or Demon Slayer, both anime and manga show it to audience directly as it happens (sex not in the anime tho)
@@pasta8026 I assume that after watching the first season when it was released back then and reading the first 50-ish chapter I think ? (it's been quite a while don't remember exactly until where did I read).
And yeah, sorry, even after that, it's more of an edgy shonen than a seinen imo. but it looks like even on the JP wiki page, it is categorized as Seinen. not sure I agree, but guess my sensitivity is not quite the same it seems.
Its 100% a seinen, It was serialized on the most sold seinen magazine in Japan (young Jump), you Just probably don't know what a seinen Is and you assume seinen mean violent or mature psicological manga.. Just for saying some other seinen: k-on in a seinen, lovelive, umaru Chan, Miss Kobayashi's Dragon Maid are seinen
@@soracifer5708
>you Just probably don't know what a seinen Is and you assume seinen mean violent or mature psicological manga
hahahahahaha k, sure :')
@@nekogami87 understandable. tags can be quite confusing or inaccurate sometimes. I just assume it was seinen since no shonen will actually show torture on screen, they will get in trouble otherwise since these tags serves as a form of Parental Guidance
I think some authors just have a problem with romance. specially authors that lack so much experience in romance or don't know anything about real life relationship
Romance stories in general tend to focus on the chase. As it can be the most exhilarating or scary. Because after the honeymoon period it becomes rather mundane, slice-of-life, or just becomes a drama.
It reminds her too much of Vesper
To be honest Ranma 1/2 anime in japanese is actually pretty bad. The Dub is way better up until the VA for male type Ranma quit to act in soap operas. After that happened I stopped watching it.
Interesting, since I rarely saw anime with dubs, and no offense, it felt really weird watching anime with dub. What makes the dub better, than the original, especially Ranma is an old anime.
The only good EN dub I found was mostly in games, MGS, RE, and XB3.
@@western_gunner This is the usual attitude of a closed minded elitist. You need to broaden your horizons.
I used to enjoy both shounen and shoujo but now... they're just too cringe for my taste.
There are people who thought Devilman Crybaby's animation was "questionable"?