The Making of Warhammer | Third Edition: Growth of the Giant
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- Опубликовано: 1 авг 2024
- Part two of the complete making of Warhammer - a series looking at the development and release of the greatest war game in tabletop history!
Richard Halliwell, Rick Priestley, and Bryan Ansell had created a rough and ready first edition of fantasy skirmish rules, and refined it into a successful 2nd edition. Now it was time to capture an entire hobby in the pages of a mighty tome, as 3rd edition would become a comprehensive guide to a growing phenomenon.
And all the while the battle in the Games Workshop boardroom would keep revealing new surprises...
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Chapters:
00:00 Open
01:35 Introduction
03:10 New Games Workshop - Ansell Takes Over
05:30 TSR UK?
08:40 Warhammer III
15:08 Warhammer Art
19:48 Space Warhammer 40,000: Rogue Trader in Space
20:42 Warhammer Armies
23:52 Warhammer Siege
25:19 Realm of Chaos
27:44 White Dwarf and the Report of Battle
29:12 Boardroom Blows
31:20 Close
Corrections:
- The Mighty Fortress was in fact made of polystyrene, not plastic as I suggest in the video. It would be the later version that would be released in plastic.
Links & Sources:
Awesome Lies Blog (Truly incredible resource on the history of early Warhammer Fantasy and WFRP history) - awesomeliesblog.wordpress.com
Give em Lead: Nigel Stillman Interview - givemlead.blogspot.com/2016/07...
Realm of Chaos 80s: Tony Ackland Interview - realmofchaos80s.blogspot.com/2...
Collecting Citadel Miniatures Wiki - www.collecting-citadel-miniatu...
Stuff of Legends - www.solegends.com
The Dice Men by Ian Livingstone
Dragon, White Dwarf, Imagine, Battlegames Magazines
Citadel Journal and Compendium
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Sixth was peak WHFB. The production values on all the products always exceeded the rest of the industry.
There were some fantastic releases in 6th
The cover of WFRP 1e does certainly feature Gotrek, though intrestingly retroactively. While the scene is very much that which appears in the G&F short story, The Dark Beneath The World (down to the details of individual mutants, secondary characters and the environment), the short story came out 4 years after the cover.
Intrestingly, even the first G&F story was published only two years after WFRP and the cover, so it seems like that cover might in fact have been the inspiration for them.
It’s incredible how interconnected some of the works from this era were, inspiring one another in all kinds of fun ways!
Bill King was such a great influence when it came to Warhammer. Perfect mix of grimdark and humor and creation of redhaired posterboy of the system really sealed the deal for me. Although Drachenfels was good too.
@@Rabarbarzynca Back when I played WFB 3/4 I had my whole Dwarf army painted from inspiration from Bill King's beautiful Dwarf army. Drachenfels was brilliant. Red Thirst is still probably my favourite Warhammer short story. I just recently reread Drachenfels. I still go back and reread the early 1980s/1990s Black Library books that I first read when I was 11 or 12 years old. They really capture the essence of that Old World that still fascinates me to this day.
I got to know Phil Gallagher and his 2 sons when i worked at a GW in Maryland, he was a lovely guy. This video brought back memories of some really awesome people at the GW headquarters in Glen Burnie.
If you want to find the original iteration of John's warhammer-wielding warrior, you have to dig into the primordial ooze of the pre-slotta era. He was a Chaos Warrior called Uthmog Elvenbane.
Oh wow, amazing! I wasn’t familiar with that guy at all, another awesome bit of even deeper history, thank you!
I had no idea that my first Warhammer game was in one of the first 3 stores
Great video.
I hope when you finish your definitive history of Warhammer Fantasy series you’ll spend some time on 40K through the editions. Other channels have covered the lore of Warhammer 40,000 (which I think you’ll agree is a masterclass on the unreliable narrator trope), but a history of the game itself would be good to see documented as thoroughly as you’ve done for WFB.
Don’t tempt me!
@@jordansorcery 😆 please!
@@jordansorcery seconded!
Third edition was bittersweet for me. It was so well written and produced. It proved so successful for Games Workshop, but it's focus on wargaming was the end of them for me. I was still a traditional rpg'er. I missed the content for Traveller, Cthulhu etc. in White Dwarf. I totally understood the need for change, the rpg market had saturated and probably did not bring in the profits that Warhammer did. Bryan Ansell drove GW on and grew it. Luckily, there were still independent shops like Leisure Games to buy from.p
It’s definitely the end of an era, those 3rd edition books read so much like RPG supplements. It’s something of a shame that style and approach was lost in time
Interesting, this brings back fond memories. My friend and I used to buy, paint and wargame a lot during this period. I joined a GW competition and lost when I rolled a non-stop stream of 11/12s and my entire army ran off the field of battle. Totally ridiculous. That was the end and I got shot of the lot. Now I'm 49, I'm sat here watching this and playing Total War: Warhammer 3 :)
Excellent again. So glad the edition got a whole episode as well, you should definitely stick to that for the rest.
I started with 3rd Ed, these books hold so much nostalgia me, I’m not sure I’ll ever fully match the excitement I felt as a young (near) teen immersing myself in the old world. I don’t remember many games being played 😂, we were probably too young, though that changed a little with 4th Ed.
Can’t wait for the next one.
The 3rd edition books really are something else, product of a creative force at the height of its powers. I absolutely adore 4th, and even later editions, but there’s something very special in that era.
@@jordansorcery Absolutely, completely agree.
I bought my first White Dwarf in August 1989 and got Warhammer Fantasy Battle 3rd edition for Christmas that year, along with the Skeleton Army box of plastic skeletons. I remember devouring that book back then but my memories of 3,000 point battles are of very long days and quite a few arguments. Looking at the book these days causes me to boggle about quite how dense and complex it is, but I have to acknowledge that it played a big part in letting Warhammer sink its claws into my brain and never really let go.
That skeleton army was a masterpiece, I’m not sure they ever surpassed those guys!
Jim Bambra also developed the award winning Star Wars Miniatures Battles from the early 90s
3rd edition is my jam. Especially the Realm of Chaos. The creativity and uniqueness of all the miniatures is just unreal at this time. When I started collecting Warhammer miniatures and material in the 2000s, it was the 3rd edition (and earlier) aesthetic that really spoke to me. Its the best.
It's genuinely incredible isn't it. Product of a unique time and place
I remember the time all the GW shops suddenly stopped stocking other games, it felt like the end of the world. It made no sense to me at the time for a shop to only support one game, now it does...
Very sad news about the passing of Bryan Ansell at the end of last year.
Ia, ia, Algo'rithm fhtagn....
This is an awesome series, sir! As a personal side note; Jim Bambra wrote one of my very favorite D&D adventures of all time. It was Blade of Vengeance, a solo adventure written for the Dungeons and Dragons Expert set, and it was a thing of beauty. Well balanced, challenging encounters, a real sense of a world of magic and myth with the idea that even deeper mysteries lay just beyond one's reach, and some absolutely gorgeous artwork.
You're very right, Jim Bambra needs to be talked about more.
I’m planning to give some more of his D&D materials a read later this year - will definitely put that at the top of the pile!
I GM'ed the complete TEW campaign in the early 90s ... still the best fantasy campaign ever published.
I’d love to play through the entire thing one day
The Noble Fur Beast was listening intently to you during the intro lol. I agree some editions are such key stones in the history of WHFB that more deep detail is required and let's be honest who doesn't love a deep analysis of WHFB 😂
The only time she listens to me at all!
@@jordansorcery that's the Will of the Fur Beasts 🤣. As she knows Skaven are going to be mentioned in some context 🤣👍
The second edition book cover does have a mini made for them. Currently one produced by Old School Miniatures "Throkki Thrice-Dammed AKA Evil warrior"
Outstanding, fascinating and fully nostalgic. I still love the feel of the Oldhammer setting and the art at the time, which gave Warhammer its visceral & grim atmosphere and set it so far apart from any other FRPG. Keep at it Jordan
Cheers Matthew! Plenty more to come!
Thanks for this wonderful video, brings back memories...
I never realised the prince of darkness (Ansell) was such a good business man.
I haven't played Warhammer besides video games but I love hearing stories from and about it
This is one of your best yet. Brilliant stuff. Can't wait for the next episode.
Thanks Stevo!
Thanks for the video. Great watch. Would love to see a video on StD and tLaD, I always loved the skirmish game with warband generator in there. "Oh, you started with 3 hobgoblins and a chaos marauder.... I rolled an Emperor Dragon..."
Can’t beat some of the extremely unbalanced randomness of 3rd edition!
Great video! 3rd edition was just before my time so I appreciate that you gave it the time it deserves rather than rushing through.
Thank you, I’m glad you enjoyed it!
Wonderful video, I love your style (and Martha of course). I still have my WHFB 3rd ed and WFRP books and they are two of my most cherished items. Thank you for the history lesson!
Thank you for watching! (From me and Martha!)
These videos are great, so informative and well presented, thanks for sharing :)
Thank you, glad you’ve enjoyed them so far!
Awesome video. I'm currently reading Slaves to Darkness, having picked up both Realms of Chaos books from Warhammer World a few weeks back. I'd also bought a copy of WFB 3rd edition just yesterday (because Slaves to Darkness keeps referencing it, and I felt like I was missing out on things) and then this video shows up in my recommend list 😁
Glad I was there at the right time! Slaves to Darkness is really quite a read, fantastic stuff!
@David Clegg does WW still have reprint copies of Lost and the Damned for sale? Oh man, if so, that is good news. I’ve got the Slaves to Darkness reprint but haven’t managed to get a copy of Lost and the Damned yet. I’m going there in June/July (once in a lifetime trip) so I’ll have my fingers and toes crossed that they still have some when I get there. 🤞🤞🤞
They still had plenty of copies available earlier this year
@@jordansorcery awesome!
@@jordansorcery Holy cow! I'd promise my first born to get copies of the reprints. I assume in-peron at Warhammer World is the only way to get them?
Great video. I didn’t start playing WFB until 4th edition, where the Undead and the Dwarves were my armies. I can still remember my best friends face the first time I fielded Nagash 😌 good times lol
Those 4th edition armies were iconic! I’m still quite partial to goofy Nagash too!
@@jordansorcery my favourite fantasy villain in all genres, not just wfb. 4th ed also solidified to me just how terrifying a Bloodthirster is
I've always believed that the emperor (mostly in 40k, but maybe fantasy too) is Malal, the Chaos god of destruction. Would explain a lot.
That’s a fun idea!
Again an amazing video, looking forward for a deep dive into Realm of Chaos books :)
can't believe you didn't introduce the cat there
Whenever I mention Martha’s name she thinks the whole show is about her!
I have a wall of heroes in my bathroom, much like a barbershop, and alongside Poe, Lovecraft and Clark Ashton Smith, I have a picture of Bryan Ansell in a muscle shirt sitting with his Chaos army.
The most Warhammer photo ever taken
The Enemy Within campaign was fantastic, it had a really brooding sense of darkness about it, and led to my mates and I having some seriously spooky games of WFRP that were huge fun.
I’ve read bits of Enemy Within, but never played it. I’d love to run it or partake in someone else’s campaign. It seems so amazing
My favourite version by far.
Really awesome to actually learn about where it all comes from!
for no other reson then my own childhood i'm very happy they moved to notts. From a baby into my now 20's my mum would take me to warhammer world every other weekend, now every other month sadly, no matter how bad things ever got i had a second home. still have random display moddels and terain peces that they would give us when it came time to replace them.
This was just masterclass. Well done and I look forward to watching more on my couch with a hot drink.
Cant wait to watch the playthroughs!!
Love your videos with the story. It must be added that he was nourished by the lore of Michael Moorcock in relation to Law and Chaos
Well done sir, well done indeed. Looking forward for your in-depth takes of the StD/LatD books, as well as a similar series for 40K - if and when you are done with WHF of course!
These videos are fantastic! Brings back a lot of memories. Top stuff mate!
These videos are great, keep up the good work!
Will do! Thanks!
Fairly sure Kaleb Daark eventually became Malus Darkblade? I think there used to be another cartoon strip character 'Thod The Barbarian' or something who was immensely powerful and prone to causing accidents in all around him obliviously especially goblins, villains and the like. A great big muscled barbarian with a tiny head... I think that's the thing about early GW: It was chock full of artists, writers, creatives and the variety of creativity from art, cartoons, rpgs, mixing of genres, history and then game design mixed with some business savvy people: An explosion of creative energy and in turn company profits and growth. No wonder. I'd say the problem with the modern GW = Corporate phase of a company. There's so much less creativity and so much more "bottom line" behind decisions.
This video was very educational: I thought I knew a fair amount but this extended way beyond what I knew. I'm full of appreciation for your research and construction of the history and people and salient points and digging up so much enjoyable "evidence", too! Thank you.
Third is where I started and I have a lot of love for it so I appreciate the story behind how it came about. Thanks
My pleasure!
Great series, hooked me right away, and I’m not much of a miniature painter or player. This man know how to rock a teleprompter!
Thank you!
Thank you for watching!
Bring back the cardboard counters. I say. I couldn’t afford all they guys. Yet I played many many hours of Warhammer second and third.
Tokens are such a good way to try stuff out, so I’m with you!
Great stuff! I still have both the Chaos books which were so rich in content, I mainly used it for rpg scenarios for any dark grim settings. I particularly enjoyed the flavour fiction in the Lost and the Damned, of the chaos siege of the doomed city Praag.
So many demons came home to roost - there’s more than one way to damn a city!
Brilliantly done, so many happy memories!
Absolutely love this vid!
Excellent news, glad you’re liking the videos!
Another fantastic video 👏👏👏
Thank you!
Thanks
I still gave the boxed version 2 and the book version 3. We played version 3 at a large Derby convention and gad a lot of fun. Orks and Skaven verses elves 😄
Another well crafted and delivered episode. In addition to your thorough research and finely tuned delivery you avoid a problem so many GW channels have, an axe to grind. Many such histories are chock full of the presenters grievances and grudges, trying to convince the listener to join their crusade. You provide the timelines, including the conflicts, but you never ask people to choose a side. Your programs are entertaining and never slip into soapboxing and gas baggery. I look forward to the next and I am there if you decide to descend into the depths of Chaos! Be wel
I’m sure some of my favourites slip through here and there, but it all feels like such an interesting story that it doesn’t need my feelings on top. Outside of, y’know, loving this old world!
@@jordansorcery I never mind positivity; I cannot understand why someone would spend hours creating a video that tells how much they hate something. I want producers to tell me what they love and maybe I will love it too
love how detailed your storytelling is. Def one of my favs regarding WFB!
Thank you, really appreciate your kind words
These videos are exactly what I have been looking for. Great stuff
I’m glad!
Thanks for another great episode in this series. Squeak-squeak! 🤩🐀🌠
Thank you! Squeak!
Interesting stuff on Jim Bambra and Richard Halliwell. I feel like their contributions are not as well known as they should be.
Totally agree, it seems a shame that their great work isn’t quite celebrated enough
I’m really loving these videos. The narration, the presentation, great images and full of interesting content. Thank you!
Also, what’s your cat’s name? I enjoyed their cameo!
Thank you!
That’s Martha, the real power star of the channel!
@@jordansorcery she’s lovely! And I’m looking forward to getting stuck in to the rest of your back catalogue. Great work!
Excellent series! Despite my love for the "Middlehammer" era of 4th thru 6th Eds I never took the time to get to know the true and full history of this game I love so much. BRAVO and please keep this ball rolling!
Me and a friend have been slowly recording a podcast (as of yet unreleased) where we go through this book in ridiculous depth (and make a lot of childish jokes while doing so). There's so much content in the 3rd Ed fantasy book that it's unbelievable. I'm not sure it would have been much fun to play though haha
Do it! :-)
Every page has something wonderful on it, well worth such a deep dive!
very engaging video
This is the video for Dr. Blaxill!
Ansell's change's made me walk from all GW content.
Great history. I love the way you put together this video - awesome work.
Thank you
Really fascinating to listen to. Brilliant detail and love you narration. Thanks!
Dont apologize, researching AND creating good content Is difícult AND even more to find here in RUclips
I have only played Warhammer in the form of the PC game Dawn of War, yet I find this video very intersting and I love looking at the old black & white illustrations.
But why aren't you petting your cat? 😅 the history lesson can wait.
Sometimes it’s a trap!
I had the Circle Of Blood and Perilous Quest campaign packs!!! 🥰
I love that series of campaign packs, so full of character and fun!
Such a good video! I’m coming over from the US this summer and am bringing a copy of 3rd edition with me, as a meet up with Bryan Ansell is part of the plan. Looking forward to meeting the man himself. Favorite part of the video: spotting the continuity error of the Grudge of Drong box in the background moving from the top of the stack to the bottom and back up. It’s these kind of Easter eggs that make your channel the pinnacle of entertainment. ;-) that and all the research. And cats.
Cheers Dan! Amazing trip you’ve got planned, I’m hoping to get down to the Foundry one day myself!
As for continuity errors - that was Martha’s responsibility!
Another great video. Played loads of 3rd edition. 3,000 point games were not bad if players knew their armies like the back of a map of the Old World. Now go do Realm of Chaos!!!!
It’s on the list!
Ecellent video , well paced , well narrated , carry on
Great video, I just want to make one correction. The mighty fortress was not plastic, it's made out of foam. Only the doors and a few other accessoires were plastic.
Spot on. It was the later version that was plastic.
Very good point, thank you! I had a complete brain skip and inexplicably mixed it up. Have added a correction to the video description to clarify
Blown away by the quality of these videos Jordan 🔥⚔️ You’re a great presenter too. Have you thought about doing anything around the grim dark style and it’s impact on sci-fi? Would love to see that.
Thank you so much Jordan, I really appreciate the support! I think that's an ace idea! I definitely plan to take a look at some 40k game history at some point, but the specifics of the grim dark impact would warrant some real research. I'm expecting it to come up, at least a little, in the later Warhammer Fantasy histories as there was an impact there too
Warhammer 3rd Edition and WHRP 1st Edition combined are the best lore and atmosphere of Warhammer Fantasy. Imagine a animated series about this combination, with the colors and the architectures of John Blanche, the Demons and the Elves of Tony Ackland, The Undeads of Ian Miller , the humans and the Beastmen of Martin Mckenna and the Dwarfs of Paul Bonner. And as soundtracks Music of Black Sabbath,Saxon, Manowar, Coven , Cirith Ungol, Iron Maiden ,Warlock and Bolt Thrower.
I’m sold! I would absolutely watch that
Marvellous man! Thank you for this, and your previous Warhammer videos. Brilliant. Sub'd!
Thank you, glad you enjoyed them!
Clicked for the content, stayed for the cat...Jokes. great video. Thanks Jordan - Sam
I can’t blame you Sam, Martha is the real power behind the channel!
It is a pity that Oldhammer's era did not last long, only nine years. Who knows what could still be pulled out of him. No seriously. Warhammer before 4th edition wasn't just three different editions. It was just another world. Who knows what it could have become if Ansell had always remained in charge. Maybe something truly glorious. I noticed that since Kirby took the reins, Warhammer for a while lost that aesthetic that mixed gloomy, gothic, and misery, found in the first edition of WHRP, which in my opinion best expresses the atmosphere of the Oldhammer, together with Realm of Chaos. Especially in the fifth edition, I noticed a "joyful" push, I don't mean mainstream, but let's say, oh my God, I don't know how to express it, "simplified" seems to me a bad term. Then of course, the gloom returns in Mordheim and with the sixth edition, however in my opinion, many opportunities and concepts have been wasted since the fourth edition. An interview with Ansell and Priestley should be done, to perhaps discover all those ideas that perhaps would have been fantastic, both artistically and lore-wise, but which unfortunately died even before being born. Who knows what Bretonnia would have looked like, perhaps still a cavalry army, but supported by criminally used firearms and artillery, and perhaps under the command of a narcissistic and arrogant king, who is rarely seen on the battlefield. Perhaps Karl Franz would have continued to be an aged ruler, without being the super-general with the magic hammer that he is now. In short, simpler than the current atmosphere. What do you think about it ?
Well said!
I think that’s a very good point. The earliest version of the Warhammer world is quite different to what it became in a great many ways.
Kirby’s initial direction definitely pushed things towards a more commercial and child friendly look and feel, with the subsequent shift to higher fantasy and ‘bigger’ models over time. We’ll definitely touch on this in later videos in the series.
For me, it’s always a case of grabbing the bits I like from each version of the game and world, so that ‘my’ Warhammer is all the stuff I love most!
Excellent vid more of these type please 👍
They’re on the way!
@@jordansorcery excellent news
Very interesting video and really well researched, some interesting pronunciation rhyming melee with welly and mythos with pie-toss 😄
When your troops run out of pies to toss all they can do is stick the welly in the melly
So the old warhmmar didn't emphazie army lists as the way to organize your miniatures in the game? I really dig the idea of an open-ended, player customized army that dosen't adhere to either lore or specific theme! Just different kinds of infantry, cavalry, heroes and so on. Making an army of orcs and undead would be really fun!
It was a lot more about what miniatures you had, wanted to play with, or the scenario suggested. There were points values provide to help get to roughly even sides, burn second edition has an entire page explaining why they don’t really work!
Supplements like Warhammer Armies for 3rd edition really solidified the trend that was already happening though - formalised army lists with clearer unit types and organisation, and of course a more robust (though still fallible) points system.
For me though, every edition benefits from playing what you and your opponent want - points he damned! I’m all in favour of scenario and story led games, especially if it gets us armies of Orcs and Undead!
@@jordansorcery those were the days , every thing you both had, rules an optional extra to dice rolling , good vs evil , random units of 1 centaur , the donkey that killed a Balrog (true story)
You forgot to mention the secret message inscribed in the border of the cover of Slaves to Darkness. :-)
I don’t think I know this! What’s the secret?
@@jordansorcery In the red border "scrawlings" on the cover of Slaves to Darkness, there are "hidden" letters. (one letter in each of the boxes). Together, the spell out a sentences, something like "Slay their souls" or something along those lines ... I don't have the book with me right now, so I'm not sure about the exact sentence.
Awesome vid (as always). I did think 4th and 5th would double up much better if you were going to do 2 per episode
In retrospect it seems an obviously better choice than my original arbitrary plan!
Completely agree. 4/5 & 6/7 were inexplicably linked from a version point, arguably each of the later versions being more of a 4.5 and 6.5 respectively.
I’ve always loved 3rd if only down to the artwork in the book. It was that that really fired my imagination.
delightful grubby video!
24:03 - Correction: the walls in Mighty Fortress aren't plastic. They are styrofoam. It's the accessories that are plastic; ladders, doors, etc. I have two of them in the boxes.
7:30
1. This is my wfrp core rulebook. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
2. My wfrp core rulebook is my best friend. It is my life. I must master it as I must master my life.
3. wfrp core rulebook, without me, is useless. Without my wfrp core rulebook, I am useless. I must play my wfrp core rulebook true.
4. My Warhammer weighs a ton, when I'm swinging strike to stun!
5. GAMES WORKSHOP!!!! YOU F@£$ING LEGENDS!!!! Thank you!
6. Jordan Sorcery... Thanks for the content.
🌯 a burrito for the algorithm
Awesome vid as always!
another great video ! just a side not on the army size of 3000 pnts in the 3rd ed era. It sounds like a lot but in that time unit costs were very high. Just as an example one chaos warrior ..with no upgrades was around 75pnts!
Very good point! Still, the words “three thousand points” sounds like a full weekend these days!
other units where far cheaper, 6 per skaven clan rat, best hope that you got good chaos attributes.
cooooooooool
great video. have a comment
This rocks!
Scene stealing familiar. Enjoyed this installment through WH's rich history, surprised to find the cover artist of Woof-rup was famous for dinosaur illustrations .. sounds suspicious to me, did he spend time in Lustria? Malal .. heartbreaker, the Kaleb Daark strips were great, I was looking forward to learning more of the strangest of the dark gods but alas.
Like the exit, made me laugh.
She really does steal every scene doesn’t she!
19:48 Nagash did exist. I can confirm that he is sat in my underpants drawer in pieces. Wishing he was “dead dead” in some kind of time paradox situation waiting to be summoned to lead the hordes of the undead.
He’s always hiding around somewhere
Nice content.
Could you talk about this module evil within? I've never heard of it before despite it being so famous.
I would love to cover it in depth at some point!
Looking back now, I feel privillaged to have enjoyed these golden years of GW. I started with Heroquest and Advanced Heroquest and quickly moved onto WFRP and still have all those books inc ROC. WFB while great was ab it out of the reach of me at that time although I still had the book. The miniatures were just too epensive. When 4th edition WFB arrived everything changed and I can still feel the anger now that existed among the fans at how the world had been changed. It felt like a betrayal back then at that young age as WFRP was dropped and the whole Hero hammer thing began. Fans were very much split into two camps of those who considered the REAL Warhammer world and this new 'thing' with Karl Franz flying around on a Griffon. Even when the internet got going you had the 'flame wars' where fans would pull each other apart arguing about it all... Seems strange now how I still care about all this stuff!
I spend a huge amount of time on 3rd edition ... I still think Slaves to Darkness is one of the bast fantasy gaming supplements ever produced, for any game system. I dropped out when 4th was published. For some reason, it lacked the flavour of 3rd edition.
Slaves to Darkness is magnificent, totally agree!
Third edition was very important, I just briefly skimmed your video and will watch later but did you cover Warhammer Siege (3rd edition) rule book ? The Realms of Chaos (3rd edition books), Slaves to Darkness and also The Lost and the Damned are just utterly amazing and also have have a few links to WH40K. UPDATE 24:21 ah u did cover it.
The supplements for third edition were all so good - they added some incredible dimensions to the game!
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