@@Xodok.I wouldnt say True Peak, but its definetly up there. The OG's have what theyre good at, written stories, where Anomaly has what its good at, diagetic storytelling. Anomaly's sandbox is superb though, 10/10, definetly reccomend after playing the base games
It was a good test to see if pumping the reviews would result in players enjoying the game more. I think from their point of view toxic gamers were killing good games before they even had a chance to get off the ground, this was their chance to flip the script to show that people would enjoy a game like this if they were able to push their narrative to the top. It gave a bit of an edge at the beginning but that didn't last because they were wrong. Players as a whole don't want preachy games, and the discourse surrounding this game was a great way to prove it.
As someone who works for a local media company (IT Manager, not a Journalist), I can promise you these sites are not held to account by any sort of integrity bodies. At their most benign, they write 'product reviews', their articles are heavily intwined with advertsing and sponsored content, and they are exclusively opinion pieces, not hard news. They aren't reporting on councils, governments or courts where standards of integrity are enforced. They aren't publishing newspapers or magazines that must be released on time or they face fines. The only people holding them to account are the gaming companies they write reviews on - and this is an obvious conflict of interest (which is fine for what it is, but clearly means they are not objective). This idiot has no idea what he is talking about.
Google states that journalistic integrity is "a code of ethics centering on public trust, truthfulness, fairness, integrity, independence, and accountability" so yeah, he's absolutely, provably false about having that
"if you pull out the man's tongue, you're not showing the world he's a lair. You're showing the world you're afraid of what he will say." Tyrion Lannister, Game of Thrones.
Sometimes people can be a special kind of blind. I was indecisive if I should or should not get Veilguard, so I picked a different game instead. It was because of certain things in Veilguard mainly lore inconsistencies and retcons made me reconsider. I had to wake up and admit that Veilguard is not that stellar, I wanted it to be related to Dragon Age Origins, Dragon Age 2 and more of Inquisition, but the first two were skipped over and all of Inquisition minus Trespasser. How can we like a game that failed its own franchise?
I purchased the game with my Microsoft points and then I realized that I made a terrible mistake when I watched Big Dan and Mattyplays' vids... Easily my worst decision in 2024 since it was a colossal waste of points. Should've spent them on either Avowed or the new COD instead. 😒
"Only games journalists can give you true insight into the quality of a game." IGN gave Concord a 9. Edit: My bad. IGN gave Concord a 7. They gave Failguard a 9. (Now walked back to a 7).
"Dragon Age: The Veilguard is getting lambasted for its inclusive elements because it (apparently) isn't a 10/10 experience. Meanwhile, I don't recall Baldur's Gate 3 getting a whole lot of flak for- oh, wait. Never mind, I guess I had a momentary mental lapse. But, traditionally, people will "excuse" all that gross diversity if the quality is high enough." Well, yes, because guess what - most of the gamers are not racist bigots, but simply people that want a good artistic product instead of a mediocre political manifesto.
This exactly. BG3 didn't break story immersion with its lgbtq+ content either, it was just part of the story. It did not create sesame Street like skits to tech the audience about pronouns like we're all 5.
Also, people who complain about BG3 "progressivity" mostly ignore the element and play by their own preference, which are allowed by the game (unlike failguard)
The pot and the kettle, they’re so lacking awareness, it’s amazing, and they’re literally calling the consumer dumb 🤦♂️ and expect them to stay consumers 😂
Written AND played by ChatGPT. Honestly, game's journalism isn't just bad with all the agenda posts and venting how you hate video games and gamers, it's just shit overall. It's full of clichés and tropes, and the writing is dogshit, just barely passing grammar checks. The structure is nonsensical and the reviews are still either too subjective or too generalized.
“Why arent you eating our shit sandwich? Are you a bigot? Eat it! Well now im gona write an article saying how youre the problem” - this is modern journalism
Reminder that Nathan Grayson was one of journalists that had a relationship with a game dev in 2012, wrote positive coverage of her game and the relationship with Zoe Quinn was only revealed in 2014, this was one of the controversies that started GamerGate.
It's pure projection. It's not fascism when they silence and censor people because they're on the "right" side of history. Well, Nazis thought they were on the right side of history too. Hence why they call us all Nazis, just more projection. They even hate jews and Israel too lmao, you can't make this shit up.
The lines are always blurred, but in 2024 people try to polarize opinion for their own gain. it's not "I disagree with you but i respect your opinion" is either "fascist extremist" or "dei woke snowflake" from one side to the other.
These morons don't even know what "fascist" means. Fascists impose their will on others and do not tolerate other points of view....sound familiar? Look in the mirror you idiot journalists and "forced DEI" lovers.
oh please. They have ALWAYS been this way. It's just that when The Message got slipped in from Mass Effect to Balder's Gate 3, the game was good enough that the issue wasn't a deal breaker. When flags showed up in SpiderMan game, it was becoming more apparent but the game was popular enough that ppl could just gloss over the matter. And journalism ENCOURAGED greater progressive agenda, etc. Now that progressive agenda IS the game - Dustborn and Concord and Veil guard - the journalists trying to gaslight gamers, and gamers are no longer buying. But the media continues to push for more, tell the companies to keep going. But they were always like this....gamers just ignored it for far too long...
@@xavierhouston4650 They only label themselves "progressive" because they think they are on a march towards Utopia and attaching the label to themselves means they are defining themselves as "the good guy."
"Imagine a world without IGN, Kotaku or polygon" - I don't need to imagine it, they don't really exist for me. never read a single article of theirs, never took into account any of their opinions on any game. I know what I like and look on youtube for gameplay videos and how good the story is... that's it.
Proper Response: "Nerds: They made the damn platform. The software. The tools. You are nothing without them. So go play football, the real world has work to do."
@@formes2388 Asmongold is less "nerd" and more "slob and manchild who never leaves the house." Football is just the grass of choice for touch in that particular sentence.
asmongold is a cringe manchild nerd, he adds nothing to the conversation and hes a mega normie. people who cant clean their rooms at least once a year needs to get their head checked. the way these rich snobs do literally nothing for society is truly impressive. f wokey crud
Yeah and that nerd has millions it's like reddit insulting elon for having a dad bod while sun bathing in a yacht even tho he has more money than entire redit combined.
@@SimuLord Asmon is a slob, no doubt. He seems rather proud of it. But it is disingenuous to write him off as a "manchild who never leaves his house". He's actually a very sharp person, with surprisng insight for someone his age, and I say this as a 59 year old. He's not right about everything, of course (who is?) and he makes mistakes. But he owns up to those mistakes and doesn't shy away or try to cover things up. He has a level of honesty and integrity that many would do well to learn from. If you're so blind by bigotry that all you see is the surface level, then I feel pity for you, your life must suck.
“Most people are relatively normal, and there’s a point where once people with a certain kind of hateful or twisted or conspiratorial view start to get oxygen and start to get enabled, their views become increasingly bizarre to a normal person. People aren’t so easily brainwashed that they all just go along with that. “ The total lack of self awareness and irony while also stating something so true is just incredible to read. They’re so close to the edge of their echo chamber, but they never fully leave it. Amazing.
As an actual non-binary person, I find the way mainstream outlets present discourse around this game absolutely disgusting... The representation in the game itself was stale, with stilted awkward dialogue and zero genuine emotion whatsoever PLUS racist overtones. It didn't do anything for me and most nb and trans people I know say the same. But now it is used as a tool to disregard any genuine criticism of the game by saying 'oh they're just bigots!!' It doesn't make me feel represented and seen it makes me feel used
I don't understand why it's so hard to make a good character. I would love tash if she wasn't an unbearable adult baby. These devs always make non binary people so unlikable it feels like it's made by haters but it's made by activists lol
I would like to remind everyone that sees this, that Nathan Greyson was one of the people 'entangled' with Zoe Quinn during the Depression Quest/Gamergate controversy. To say he has conflicts of interest or rather a complete lack of any integrity (let alone journalistic integrity) would be an understatement. He feels the pressure of regular gamers peering behind the curtain and seeing how his lucrative involvement with publishers/developers actually works out for him and people like him. That makes him scared and that's why he's lashing out. It's a child having a temper tantrum and i don't think his condescension will win him any new readers. And that's fine with me.
So what? He supposed to quit his job or dump his gf to "maintain integrity?" I never followed the whole gamer gate stuff, I just live my life and play games I think look interesting, no need to really become involved in gaming politics. So far Veilguard has my attention and I'm enjoying it, it's just another game.
@@ThatKid22101 anyone could have written an article on the game. kotaku is or was a decently-staffed place. instead it was the only person at the company who had fucked her, and was close friends with her, and that wasn't disclosed within the article at all. all he had to do was disclose it, but it had to be dragged out of him
@Fleshbag453 Nah Anita Sarkessian jumped on the train like alot of people. Nathan Grayson was one of the Five Guys in the post about Zoe Quinn that started the whole thing.
@Fleshbag453 Grayson gave positive coverage to a game in 2012 and in 2014, it was revealed in August 2014 he was having a relationship with the dev at the time, Zoe Quinn.
Lol, so true. Hence why the overwhelming majority of gamers never actually listen to these talentless hacks. Sadly many big publishers and dev studios do and specifically cater to these hacks.
@@Crazy_Gamer_OGthe crazy part is that saying this would’ve got you branded a lunatic 5 years ago “Not everything is political you rightwingers are just as bad as the left with your conspiracies”
I imagine it is quite difficult to set yourself apart in your field, don’t give up. Don’t let others who are talking about ‘them’ make you think your hard work is not hard work.
@@beerosaurusrex Oddly except on Veilguard. Somehow still "Mostly Positive." My guess is that the game journalist company (because they're all the same parent company) figured it out and paid people to write positive reviews.
"Most normal people don't think like that..." Actually, they do. Most people think like that, hence low sales and low ratings. Most people are sick of politics in gaming and movies. That is why they play indie games now and watch movies outside of Hollywood. It's incredible to me how out of touch these people are and they are supposed to live and breath gaming. I live in Europe and this shit has made its' way here as well. Gtfo!
I love when they say everything is political or this happened before too to defend this. First of all false, not all things are politicial, but even so there is a difference between a subtle messaging, symbolism etc. fused well in a story, and some character in a medieval magical fantays setting coming out as a non-binary, even using the same word itself. Like come on dude.
You're not a person if you disagree with them. Same logic where their political opposition literally won the popular vote but they don't represent the majority... somehow...
@@thenomad4123 Thats just the thing. There is a difference between creating an authentic work of art that is a metaphor for some real world politics and just stuffing these topics in there so you can appeal to a woke modern audience that does not even exist to an extent the creators think they do. Like a lot of elven plots in the witcher being displays of sheer racism, but guess what, the Word does not get thrown around constantly and I do not get lectured in a condescending way, it just Shows me the grim reality of this dark fantasy world and leaves me to draw my own conclusions. Thats how you do it.
You have to word things differently. Politics in games can be a great thing. Real world, modern day, far left culture war BS is the problem. Nobody is forcing right wing politics into games. There arent christians in every game. Hell, when was the last game with a single Christian character? My point is politics can be good in media, just not modern real life politics.
@@thebenc1537 Yes, involvement of politics in games shows etc. in a cohesive way with the correct setting can be great. Fallout games, and Witcher series like the comment above mentioned for example. X-Men is also a fantasic example of politics done right, when the issues are worthwhile. Not these lame identity politics though.
What's funny is that the supposed critique of content creator "reviews" are the exact reason we all watch RUclipsrs and streamers to find out about a game now: journos don't care about the objective quality of a game, they care about their personal politics and their relationship to game developers and publishers. Look at Kingdom Come Deliverance which got bad reviews for not putting forced diversity into a game that was trying to be historically accurate. Look at Wukong which got bad reviews for things devs said years before the game came out. Look at Concord which got great reviews because of the forced diversity even though the game was generic, boring, and had terrible character designs and a laughable business model.
Who gave KC:D bad reviews for not being inclusive enough? Metacritic has two negative reviews for that game (out of 65) and neither mentions inclusivity. Are you sure you're not spreading made-up arguments?
@@exantiuse497Perhaps not reviews, but I absolutely remember the controversy (I am Czech and I've followed the game quite closely), there was a big push not just from the game journos, but even some history deniers in our country. Also, just because they didn't review the game poorly doesn't mean they haven't criticized it for lack of black people in the actual reviews, they did the same with Witcher 3.
@@exantiuse497 from what I remember I believe it was IGN, the review was total garbage maybe 10% was talking about the actual game, all the rest was about diversity and ranting that there were no black people, I believe the creator of KC:D came out officially and responded to the article saying that the game was intended to be historically accurate.
@@exantiuse497 It wasn't the reviews but there where journalists from Kotaku and others outlets making articles calling the game sexist and racist other outlandish things. Now they are starting to realize that gamers and the public don't give two fucks about there "reviews " and questions there integrity as "journalists "
@@exantiuse497 I preordered the game because Kotaku and it's criticism about the lack of diverity. It was not the reviews, but this slandering pieces where widespread.
The opinion I value the most is my own. I look up information from any source to shape it. In my experience, the most efficient way is to watch someone play a game, be it on RUclips or Twitch. Regardless of what they're saying, your eyes can see the game being played. You're not looking at some carefully redacted screenshots; you're looking at the game. Legacy media is dead, and these are just their final throes. Let's all pick up our buckets of popcorn, sit back, and enjoy the spectacle.
Why can't it just be as simple as "gamers don't want these games" rather than "there's something wrong with gamers"? The way these people think is just delusional.
Because they would have to accept that there is something wrong with the way they think. It is easier to say that it is us, the majority, that is wrong, rather than trying to adjust the way they think and fit in with everyone else. In doing so, they can act like we are the villains and that they are the hero fighting against oppression and evil.
Transformer bs agenda can F off. I dont even care if the game is 10 out of 10 if it tells me a story about sick freaks of nature where I have to respect them an all that. I dont. And my kids wont. Nothing you can do about :)
It's really infuriating how "The good guys(tm)" that constantly call us "the bad guys(tm)"almost always project about everything and never learn a single thing from their mistakes, then again they don't even acknowledge they can make mistakes.
not learning a single thing from their mistake and wrongdoing is a very charateristic trace of the bad guys in videogames, movies and what not. Very ironic, yes
The most important pillar of fascism is having The Enemy. The Enemy could be anyone, as long as every problem in the world is their fault. The totalitarian stage is achieved when everyone who disagrees with you is part of The Enemy.
Don't get infuriated, they're losing and quadrupling down on the same losing strategies. Just grab a drink, kick back and enjoy watching these worthless cynics fade, screaming, into irrelevancy.
The only worse ones are the Lame Stream "News" Networks and the rest of the Snowflakes melting under the crushing pressure of the realization that their candidate didn't win.
They are mad noone sees them as mainstream. People rather go to youtubers they trust than these so called "journalists". If they disappeared overnight, the gaming industry would be better for it.
What I hear from that article writer is that he is mad that there are people that do better job and make more money while he does the same job but gains nothing and contempt from people. 1mil people don't matter says the stupid writer while trying to control and is bootlicker for company's.
And the appeal for social awareness is especially dumb. They say one million views against 300 million americans. Ok, it's 300, but it's also unlikely that even 10 percent count themselves as invested in gaming. And maybe a fifth of those 30 million like story driven RPGs, that's 6 million. So, even if we assume that a significant part of their viewers aren't american, about a 1/10 of the target audience watched Asmon's video and 1/4 of it watched Skillup's, that's pretty decent coverage.
Yes it is mostly because at the end of the day, gamers just want a fun new experience. I've restarted BG3 probably 30 times since I bought it and am still having a great time. Do I care Astarion is constantly trying to get into my pants. No, I can choose to engage with that part of the game if I wish but I'm not forced into enjoying his company.
The “Silent Majority” Is Less of a thing in Gaming than it is in other media. Video Games are an expensive hobby so Casual gamers rely on word of mouth. Most have friends that are more Hardcore than they are so if they hear a game is crap they’ll stay away.
Disagree. Gaming is older than games’ journalism, and a twitch stream is far more informative than any article has ever been. Why read about a game, when I can watch someone actually play it and decide for myself if it’s worth my time?
@@brawler707 Sounds like you limit your definition of Journalism to a very narrow field. I think it's more than just a form of written text that says "Game good, buy/game bad, don't buy." What LD does in his videos - Talking about happenings and events in the industry, talking about broader concepts the field, making people aware and informing them about current/past issues - that's Journalism. Each Video essay about a dev fucking up, Nintendo suing people, Game XYZ being unexpectedly succesfull - That all falls under the category of Journalism, and we like those videos because they are based on reality rather than corrupted by agenda. The word "Journalism" is simply gatekept by the people who want to get by writing their boring Blog posts, hoping they can keep influencing millions of people with a dying medium. That was my point - We do need Journalism, we just don't need THAT "JoUrNaLiSm" anymore. Also if the content ofwritten games media would just reflect reality and wasn't just Lobby-influenced propaganda, nobody would even think that Journalism wasn't needed. People would still read stuff from the Gaming press, because the Gaming Press wouldn't be compromised like satan's asshole. It's just like any fom of Journalism in any field: Whenever it gets Censored and compromised, there is going to be a problem, and people will stop reading them until they are forced to by law. By then Journalism has turned into Propaganda (PROPAgating an AGENDA).
i don't think they necessarily "sell" their reviews. they have refused to support Hogwarts and it was from a big publisher. I think it is ideology for them. they will give great reviews to a chitty game just because it has the right ideology infused into it. some games its just access media level of grading but i think Dragon Age was ideological in nature.
The main reason I say these guys sell reviews is that many companies have very samey opinions. For me that shows there's an ulterior motive behind the reviews themselves. It could be ideological, but I'm more inclined to think it's money.
Or how GG ten years ago basically began because gaming journalists refused to adhere to rules around conflict of interest and disclosure. They seemed to believe that conflict of interest only applied to intentional, malicious corruption, and disclosure was only an admission of that guilt. Imagine being a journalist and resisting such basic concepts.
When even Jason Schreier removed his post about how much the game "succeeded", this says a loooooot. Plus the word of mouth around the game right now is bad, something the game media thought the reverse would happen. They act like the story and dialogue is not plain fully horrible and they are cherry picking the "negative" reviews of metacritic, while ignoring the "positive" reviews. You explained the problem with game media perfectly.
Asmongold was probably right regarding that tweet. The reason he deleted it is because he got information showing how bad the game was actually doing in terms of sales.
"Imagine a world without IGN, Kotaku, or Polygon." I live that every day. I haven't visited any of those websites in _years_ and I've lost nothing. In fact, one could say I'm better off for it.
A saying from 1909 still fits this issue, "The customer is always right in matters of taste" , If you don't create something your customers want to consume then don't be surprised if it doesn't sell.
Wow, that article is such a joke. He cherry picks a terrible review and then vashes against it as if every review is terrible. Talk about defeating a straw man.
If you don't think reviews/comments like that are common, you got your head in the sand. Look at the comment section of this video. It's a circle jerk in an echo chamber. I don't disagree, but that's what it is.
@@jeffbrady2757 Sure. But there are also reasonable, insightful reviews and comments. Anyone who is actually interested in what the game is like isn't going to see a handful of people spazzing in the reviews and call it a day; they're going to find the intelligent-sounding ones that give the sort of information they're looking for. It's usually pretty easy to tell the difference. The issue with the article isn't that it acknowledges there are dumb reviews, but that it pretends like there are *no* good reviews outside of journalists.
@@jeffbrady2757 How is it a circlejerk if it's true? The dialogue is trash, the agenda is hamfisted, the character creator is limited. Where are the lies?
The irony is that Veilguard sucking has almost nothing to do with it being 'woke', it has to do with it being shallow & having next to no player agency & having weird goofy Disney-Pixar style dialogue & characters... None of this is what the majority of people want, or have ever wanted, from the Dragon Age IP. I agree on a basic level that there is a lot of bullshit on metacritic going on about identity politics, but frankly, BG3 featured diversity & inclusion and faced the same backlash, and most people still loved that game. It sold great. It 'was' a great RPG-- and that's all there is to it. Hell, even still, I wouldn't go as far as to say 'critics' are useless, but just that they are not the final word by any means, and it's not like they are necessarily sworn to objectivity and as a result some of them DO seem very biased. I think a perfect comparison to what happened with Veilguard is Rings of Power, almost universally derided as one of the most plot-hole ridden, B-movie fantasy dialogue, junk-food for the human mind shows that has premiered in some time-- and it sits at 86% on Rotten Tomatoes somehow... But, frankly, all that means is that 86% of critics gave it at least a 6... So, anyway, that's another problem-- but the point is it's almost like battle-lines are drawn up and you have to pick a side and defend something even if it's bad; except a lot of people refuse to do that(it's called integrity). Rings of Power doesn't suck because it wasn't true to the source material, which-- being arguably the literal grand-daddy of modern fantasy and a highly beloved IP-- would have been fucking nice-- it sucks because the writing is absolute dog-shit, and it's goofy as hell as a result. It's sad because even fairly progressive people are just lumped in with the weird GQP anti-woke crew when they don't like bad media. Just because the weird alt-right crowd doesn't like something, doesn't mean you have to like it even if it's just objectively bad media. It's kind of pathetic.
The most worrying part for me is that youtube channels becoming more relevant to gamers is because the media ran articles like "Gamers don't have to be your audience" during the original gamergate. The media told countless people to essentially fuck off, now they are jealous of the success of youtube commentators or streamers, because gamers decided to get their news from those instead.
Ah yes. NATHAN GRAYSON. Truly a trustworthy name in journalism. Totally not someone who is both stupid AND wears red pants. Not an ex-Kotaku journalist who could literally be blamed for kicking ALL of this off with his own lack of journalistic integrity. No sir. Not someone who instantly discredits the New York Times just for writing for them. Not in the least...how long did it last before she kicked you to the curb for Lifschitz anyway?
bioware was dead to me post andromeda, their writing was just so flat, cliche and repetitive it was like,,,, you have a great combat system, excellent kit, a vehicle thats actually fun to drive and,,,,,,, after a few hours im bored because your narrative isnt gripping and ive used that gear until i was bored,,,, then they did anthem, which someone told me 'is great when you fly around like ironman, and thats about it'
9:40 bro NO FNG WAY! This dude COMPLETELY flipped it 180 on gamers claiming gamers are the looneys causing the issue when THEY really are…. HOLY FNG GASLIGHTING! 😵💫🤯🤯
The funniest thing is when he claimed jornos actually discuss game mechanics, graphics, etc When in reality jornos sometimes struggles with game tutorials, cry about dark souls difficulty, and constantly insert their personal political views where they don’t relate to the game they are reviewing They truly have the main character syndrome
Since this is from Vice I'd like to point out that they're at 6-7% popularity from their peak according to Google trends. Their peak was 2014 so that's a 93% reader fall off in a decade, I'd be getting desperate too. Especially since in February Vice Media said 'several hundred' staff members will be laid off.
I mean we are talking about the same outlet that literally ran a full smear video on Japan's anime/manga industry as a seed bed of pedophilia/illegal acts/etc and getting industry people in interviews on said video by misleading them on the topic they were being interviewed for being framed as the video as supposedly about a video on the medium as opposed to being a hit piece and then releasing the video and blocking it on only *one* country - Japan. Soooo... yeah journalistic integrity right there!
@@YM-zf8mt if you can't connect the dots between "my company is laying off hundreds of people" and a guy writing an article "this proves my job is necessary" then there is no helping you.
@@DukeOfTorpedoes the dude writing the article wants to keep jerking off on company time while the company itself is so useless it’s bound to disappear sooner or later ?
Nathan Grayson of all people talking about how RUclipsrs and Twitter have 'poisoned' Video game conversations is the absolute height of Irony. These publications need to finally die, they have been this way for a decade at this point and when you spend that long doing the opposite of what you are supposed to be doing (fairly reviewing and discussing games ), it is time for you to go. Imagine a baker that spent a decade selling moldy bread as if it was fresh, and told you that you were a bigot when you complained you have been sold moldy bread. Tell me that Baker would have been in business for 10 years.
When they said “Imagine a world where games journalists aren’t around”… yeah I can imagine the present day. I can’t remember the last time I went to one of their sites, especially for any substantive discussion.
yup, youtubers, and streamers, people who actually play the game and i can get a feel for it, rather than people telling me Suicide Squad, or Anthem are incredible games 10/10
Imagine a world without them? Hm - nothing would change, shy of a lack of videos complaining about bad jurno takes in my feed. I am wondering anyway who reads those rags these days, and by the layoffs they are suffering I assume not many people? I mean honestly - I know nobody who, in order to infrom themselves about a game, goes through a jurno. I'd wager that any game on steam has in their reviews a nameless somebody who wrote an essay with more insight into the specific game than any of these articles could ever
Thank God this game is so ass the media looks dumb again lol Edit: after watching the video. They’re trying to villainize anyone who disagrees with them so badly it’s actually insane, they’re incredibly out of Touch. And it’s not even Thursday…
Oh the fail guard is at it in full force on the BioWare subreddit. Straight picking fights, arguing, calling people bigots etc. beautiful. Just beautiful lol
I was hoping this game would be really good, unfortunately I lost faith in Bioware when Inquisition released, and Vielguard turned out exactly like I thought it would. I know Inquisition sold 11 million copies, and yes I still think it's a bad game.
I've consumed some games this year. Spent about $300 in total. But because I spent that hard-earned money on indies and AA games and not on AAA slop, I'm somehow part of the problem. As Neil Young once sang, "Don't feel like Satan but I am to them."
@@adarkwind4712 I did form my own opinion. NOBODY I know still plays Helldivers 2. We ALL stopped playing because the idiot devs kept nerfing the guns until the game became boring to play. The player numbers back up my statement. The game lost over half it's playerbase because of the nerfs and those people never came back to the game. It fell off HARD.
OK I got a chuckle out of the mention of Baulder's Gate 3. The controversy wasn't over the game itself, but how the gaming media treats western and asian games. These people celebrated BG3 for being the "Horniest game of all time" while showing nothing but contempt for Stellar Blade's main character design.
It's always funny when these marketing websites paint themselves as journalists. Reviewing products is not journalism. We don't call movie or restaurant critics "journalists". At best, a game review is an opinion piece, which is not journalism, so journalist integrity has nothing to do with anything. We've seen it time and time again, too, when push comes to shove, many of these sites are basically just publishing press releases with some extra ads and default to some biased position when there's some drama (because that's what they write about, most of the time, not gaming "news"). I don't know why anyone would pretend that just because they have some chief editor that disallows them from using some slurs in their paid articles, it somehow makes them the arbiters of truth on whether or not some soulless entertainment product is good or bad.
These people need money and want more power. With more power comes more money for them, so it's easy to link the dots. It's all gaslighting, but now they are panicking and got super sloppy with it. No idea why, there must have been at lest ONE person in their midst who knows that if they shut up for half a year, they can make a comeback. Like, don't mention all of this stuff that negative for them and move on, people will forget. I have no idea who's author of an article I just read 5 seconds after I close it xD Seriously, they are so stupid to continue on digging their own careers' graves.
Why are they so mad? Veilguard was an incredible 9-10/10 game by, what, a dozen games journalist magazines? Must have been amazing! Heck, a whopping 31,654 people worldwide are currently playing it now - just a little over a week after launch! The game must have sold hundreds of thousands of copies - easy 500k. I'm sure the production and marketing budget was under 30 million - they probably turned a healthy profit!
Games journalists aren't mad. It's just RUclips grifters like this guy who need clicks for cash. The YT echo chamber is getting pretty tight with Veilguard.
@@ColorsFadeGaming Games journalists are too soy to have anger, they'll huff and puff but they just need an iced latte and for their wife's boyfriend to come home.
You missed a 0 there. $300 million, not $30 million. The Veilguard dev staff of over 100, earning an average of over $100,000 each per year for 10 years, is over $100 million. Another $100 million or so for all the hardware, software, buildings, etc. involved, and at least $50 million in marketing. Add in overhead, and corporate costs, and it's going to be pretty close to $300 million
That Vice article legit just said if the game was good people wouldn't have cared about how bad or preachy it it was. The writer really cracked the code on that one lol.
crazy how the general quality of writing in games has basically not improved at all in 30 years. we peaked with games like Planescape: Torment and Deus Ex.
The issue lies in how DEI topics are being introduced in these games. It seems the author in this video overlooks that Mass Effect 1, 2, and 3 allowed players to have same-sex relationships and even included a race that was technically neither male nor female, and yet no one batted an eye. This was because it felt like a natural part of the game’s universe, not forced onto a character or the player. However, there are moments (like the example of Dragon Age: Vielguard) where players are explicitly “lectured” for minutes on topics like the cultural weight of apologies, which can feel out of place and forced.Players and viewers are generally open to diverse perspectives in media; the key is that they should feel like an authentic part of the story and universe, not as if the game or movie is breaking the fourth wall to deliver a message directly to the audience. It’s when these elements feel like a “lecture” that they disrupt immersion and pull people out of the experience.
ME3 - Cortez - My husband died on such and such planet, and im sad, - cool, good inclusion, Lazy bad inclusion - I AM GAY, ITS TOTALLY FINE, BY THE WAY IM GAY HERES SOME HISTORY ON BEING GAY
you can't have nuance in DEI promoting games, as the people who make said games lack the life experience that would help them see and experience said nuance. in case it wasn't painfully obvious, Taash's entire non binary journey feels more like a fucking kid's rendition on how to be accepting of any and all non-binary people, failing to respect the player's intelligence and being force fed to hold unto toxic positivity, which is the worst kind of toxicity.
@@totemictoad4691Krem was a great character, and the writers handled the topic well in Inquisition. They confirmed his status with some jokes in a large group with his "found family" in the Chargers. And then dropped it completely unless your character specifically was curious. Then you could go to ask him about his life and more awkward details, and it felt like a normal conversation with someone who wasn't super thrilled to be explaining it, because it IS an uncomfortable topic that the Inquisitor is mostly ignorant of. I found it a lot more believable.
It’s funny they cherry picked one of the most hateful user reviews when there are legitimately Reddit posted reviews that are better than professional reviews on their websites (not that Reddit has a lot of good opinions they’re just out there somewhere)
Collective groups blaming people for not supporting a product feels like the antithesis of Imposter’s Syndrome. You’re going about your day, spending your hard-earned money on what you want, and that makes you responsible for the underwhelming performance of a 10-year project. Cool.
These guys are so deep into their lies and so out of touch, they don't care what words they throw. Their level of discourse is school internet trolling. But also they know they are incompetent and are a part of a dying media. That's why they have 0 integrity and are only saying what they are paid to say, or to push some agenda. There is 0% journalism there. In these convulsions they expose themselves and push people away even more.
"let's imagine a world without video game outlet. No IGN, no Kotaku, no Polygon" Has the same energy of: "can you imagine a world without lawyers" from the simpsons.
It’s so interesting to see the parallels between Hollywood, legacy media and gaming journalism. You can see they are realizing their influence and power is waning and they are lashing out or playing the blame game instead of taking accountability.
The journos keep talking about how they estimate the sales to be in the millions, but neither Bioware nor EA have given any kind number. If Veilguard sold in the millions, they'd by dumb to not openly celebrate that number. They keep saying it sold well, but refuse to actually say how well it sold. Shadow of The Erdtree was a DLC and sold to 5 million people. If Veilguard sold 5 million copies, they'd make a profit off the game, but with how they're hiding the numbers I highly doubt they've reached any where near "north of 10 million sales".
@@stormstrider Correct, the Queen never actually said that. However, the perception that the French establishment of the time didn't give a flying frakk about the welfare of the people was perfectly encapsulated in that little phrase. Hence it caught on and infuriated the masses. I think we've arrived at a similar point now.
@@stormstrider The story is that the oligarch's & nobles were having an expensive party with lots of cake, which they were doing a lot. Cake was expensive back then, much more than basic bread. Someone representing the lower class went up to 'what's her name' & informed her that her citizens were starving & couldn't even afford bread & that bread was in short supply because of the failed infrastructure & asked her what she planned to do to fix it. Well, 'what's her name' makes light of it & says with a plate of cake in her hand, "If they can't get bread, let them eat cake!" The ball attendants all laughed & ignored the plight. Later, someone from the party told the already angry citizenry what happened, which later from word of mouth formed a rebellion. Needless to say, the rebellion won. The joke about their suffering & the lack of accountability was the final straw that broke the camel's back & pushed the citizenry over the edge. I don't know how accurate the story is, but a ruler saying to 'reduce the price of cake' to fix a problem as big as that one was still out of touch & completely lacked common sense. Either way, it showed their incompetence & the citizenry were right to rebel.
I want to preamble this by saying I agree with most of your points in this video. You skated past something there. Algorithms "don't create a bias, they confirm it." Through this function they create echo Chambers where the only opinion available to you is your own. It restricts the flow of free information. You cannot see things from someone else's perspective if that perspective is never shown to you because it doesn't fit yours. You have to actively seek out new perspectives. THIS is why angry. Scared. And sensationalist voices are getting amplified. They get the most attention and people start hearing them more and more. It is so very difficult to train your algorithm to avoid it. If you're even aware it's happening.
it shows you things you are more likely to watch but i get what you are saying...however i have seen the other side and its full of lies and propaganda and not different view points so they are the reason i avoid them not the algorithm
Maybe there's some bitterness over the fact that they worked so hard doing what they were told as children, busting their asses in academia, flushing "toxic" individuals out of their industries, then finally taking control... only to find that the audience doesn't resonate with them in any way whatsoever. They were always the kids that people found annoying and, at the peak of their careers, they find out that they remain, now and forever, the individuals people find annoying.
Yes. It’s my and everyone’s else fault we don’t like bad game loops, terrible writing and we are paying more for it. That just because a pile of sludge has a rainbow on it that we should endorse it no matter what. I’m being crass with that last line but I’m so sick and tired of this narrative. These journalists live in a bubble. They believe they are the tastemakers still. That they can enact change. No you’re not. The internet has changed things. And trust in legacy media is at an all time low. And for games journalist that trust had been eroding away until it finally is a sliver thread. So no; it isn’t our fault. It’s yours.
no more sliver thread, their 10/10 for Veilguard yanked that away from everyone. If only they had all agreed to do a 8/10 and a rare 9/10 , people would have ignored the bias. But 10/10 and 5/5 across the board, now that is just blatantly lying to your face and shoving it in your face. Even if you want to forget and forgive, you can't, they aren't allowing you to.
Corporate greed has poisoned the industry resulting in viewing us, their paying customers, as walking wallets. They have forgotten why they exist and who they are making their products for. Unless someone on the inside wakes up they are digging their own grave… And this makes me really sad since I still love playing GOOD GAMES.
I remember when there were no games journalists. You know how I found games I liked? I rented them first. Since I can't do that now, I appreciate the online reviewers who pay for the games so that I can get the information I need. Maybe if the journalists weren't paid advertising, I'd listen to them more.
Bro, journalists are bound by their so-called "journalistic integrity". The issue here is, that's actually a nickname for "being paid millions to shill bad products just so big AAA companies can at least break even" or make some profits. :)
The funniest thing is that most, MOST youtube content creators who are critical of Veilguard and many other overtly woke games, show what they mean. They get clips and support what they say about things, using clearly identifiable moments from the game to explain their criticisms. I could see the game jurnos making an argument that those are "cherry picked slices of content in an other wise fine game", but I would still call that a bad argument for a number of reasons. The modern media can help but consistently lie and misrepresent reality. They're arguing about youtubers and critics who don't even really exist or have such a small following. The real voices in the room the ones who show what is wrong with a game and then back it up and explain why they think it's bad, aren't being addressed. Until the jurnos can openly discuss and really address the objective criticism of their industry and their business practices, they have no place questioning the integrity of others. Others who quite commonly have a much better track record with being A consumer focused, and B consistent on principle.
Incredible that in the face of successful and widely praised games like BG3 and Elden Ring, companies like Bethesda and BioWare can still bitch and complain that it’s the GAMERS’ fault that their games didn’t sell or was poorly received. Like holy Christ, how out of touch and egotistic can you be? These companies will NEVER recover from their hubris, let alone push out a good game again if they are completely incapable of accepting criticism.
Dude that first article is crazy lol "where would u get your info if not us" well I have youtube reviews, gameplay videos, first looks and streams from twitch like we truly don't need u anymore. Second bg3 did not get shit cause it was ACTUALLY GOOD minor spoiler but if you have been to act 3 one of my fav early act characters is lucretious a character that's clearly either drag or trans but their amazing with a banger of a quest.
"Imagine a world without PC Gamer, Kotaku, IGN..." Oh really? I think that's the world the vast majority of us gamers lived in the last 10, maybe even 15 years. Who does read that s***t anymore? If I want information about a game, I ask other people who played it, watch the trailers, or check some of the RUclipsrs I trust. It's like saying "Imagine a world without BBC, CNN, RAI and other TV/traditional media news channels." I don't need to imagine it! I live in it already!
I wonder if this Nathan Greyson character really actually believes DA:V will sell more than ten million copies, because if he does, he's living in some kind of alternate universe.
These people can’t learn their lesson because of how superior they believe themselves to be. The most dangerous ones are the ones who think themselves to have the moral high ground
"It's just video games"...ugh... In no other media did a critic lose such a derogatory term over the very same media they love to the extent they would revolve their whole lives around it. These people literally talk like sad blue collar middle management Joes stuck in a bullshit job in some corporate something somewhere opening and closing JIRA Tickets and creating sale numbers from Excel sheets. They are the antithesis of what _passion_ looks like.
@@mrwerder616inclusion has been around as long as gaming has, being lectured by a game about cosmopoliton social issues with transparent self inserts from talentless doughy privileged hacks who only have their jobs because of arbitrary self promoted "inclusion" which erodes any good qualities that it might've had, is frankly, offensive. And yes these are my *feelings* and the games are *factually, objectively worse* for it. We're done with it, the "woke" (idgaf what it is, you know what it is, and so do I, I dont need to define it) is being put away and you people are going back in the anti-social holes you crawled out of. It's over.
It is nuts how entitled the media industry overall seems to be. It doesn't even occur to them that just maybe their products don't sell because they're shit? Maybe they should ASK their customers what they like rather than try to TELL them?
Because the way it works is that basically there are people with so much money that money doesn’t matter to them they’re on to the next level of social engineering society in their image then there are the people that will do and say anything to receive that money - these are the games journalists and companies That’s why attacking them as if they’re the ones pushing it or believing their own bs kind of falls flat, they don’t believe in what they’re saying they’re mercenaries saying what keeps the money flowing
@bauer9101 It’s a case where they release they are no longer seen as legitimate to a majority of people. The so called elites and tastemakers do not have as much sway anymore on public opinion. That the Internet has democratized information in a way that cannot be easily gatekept. For games media, this is especially the case now. They can’t just say everything is “fine” when we have games that are broken. Broken game play loops,, bugs and glitches that are unacceptable and often hard to patch out, horrendous writing and character work( assuming it’s a story based game) and the like. And they have nobody but to blame but themselves. The role of games journalism and reviews is the inform consumers which games are worth their time and money. With games being 70 plus dollars and the economy being what it is, gamers aren’t going to just throw money away. They’ve got a larger backlog of older games to play and also, other options.
I don’t ever really leave comments on videos but I wanted to say this, found your channel a couple months ago and you’ve quickly become one of my favorites all time. You’re a fucking champion in every aspect, much respect, can’t wait to see more, hope you’re having a good one
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Dont sweat it, nobody's good at STALKER their first time through, and theres alot of misconception about its dificulty and how it works.
You playing OG STALKER ? ooh snap , i need to see that.
Try Anomaly, if you want to experience true peak Stalker
@@Xodok.I wouldnt say True Peak, but its definetly up there. The OG's have what theyre good at, written stories, where Anomaly has what its good at, diagetic storytelling.
Anomaly's sandbox is superb though, 10/10, definetly reccomend after playing the base games
Well, you earned +100 in Godzilla fraction then.
And also you should try Anomaly GAMMA if you enjoyed the trilogy 😊
Sorry guys this one was my fault. I should have consumed when the media told me to do so
how could you have your own likes and dislikes? you are supposed to be a sheep not a person tisk tisk
"Just consume product and then get excited for next product..."
@@wesleysolomon5364 game journalist should put that on every article they write
CONSOOOM
But didn't they ask us not to consume, because these media isn't for us, and we should go out and touch grass X3c...?
"Imagine a world without IGN, Kotaku or polygon" yes, yes I can
And very nice it would be.
Imagine? We dream of it lol
Absolutely nothing would change for me. I base my buying decisions mostly on lets plays I watched.
No need to sell it on me further, man, I'm already on board.
Pre-2014 internet
They went from "Game of the year" to "Great succes" to "iT's yOuR fAuLt iT dIdN't s0ld" in the span of a couple of weeks.
Three stages of "journalists"
More like 1 week
It was a good test to see if pumping the reviews would result in players enjoying the game more. I think from their point of view toxic gamers were killing good games before they even had a chance to get off the ground, this was their chance to flip the script to show that people would enjoy a game like this if they were able to push their narrative to the top. It gave a bit of an edge at the beginning but that didn't last because they were wrong. Players as a whole don't want preachy games, and the discourse surrounding this game was a great way to prove it.
@kylegusek I agree. They had to try this tactic at some point given their track record. Wondering if their tank is dry.
Sounds like the thoughts of a borderline personality _silly billy_ .
"they aren't bound by journalistic integrity"
And neither are IGN, Kotaku, Polygon etc. so no difference
As someone who works for a local media company (IT Manager, not a Journalist), I can promise you these sites are not held to account by any sort of integrity bodies.
At their most benign, they write 'product reviews', their articles are heavily intwined with advertsing and sponsored content, and they are exclusively opinion pieces, not hard news. They aren't reporting on councils, governments or courts where standards of integrity are enforced. They aren't publishing newspapers or magazines that must be released on time or they face fines.
The only people holding them to account are the gaming companies they write reviews on - and this is an obvious conflict of interest (which is fine for what it is, but clearly means they are not objective).
This idiot has no idea what he is talking about.
Google states that journalistic integrity is "a code of ethics centering on public trust, truthfulness, fairness, integrity, independence, and accountability" so yeah, he's absolutely, provably false about having that
Even less so since they are entirely reliant on GS supporting them with early coverage...
journalistic integrity is like hippocrates oath. It exists only in movies
@@marcogenovesi8570 Well, it does exist. People break it endlessly because that's what makes them money.
"Nothing screams 'I'm right' like the call for censorship." Is such a heavy line
Word.
It's unironically Orwellian or Huxley-ian, and yet they have the audacity to call others the fascist.
For real dude
"if you pull out the man's tongue, you're not showing the world he's a lair. You're showing the world you're afraid of what he will say." Tyrion Lannister, Game of Thrones.
@@bilson7523 There's this little book called "Rules for Radicals". This is part and parcel for getting what you want while looking like you don't.
They can't just accept that the game is bad. They can't acknowledge reality. This is why they have no credibility
Big Dan! ❤❤
I should go!
Because to them it's politics.
Sometimes people can be a special kind of blind. I was indecisive if I should or should not get Veilguard, so I picked a different game instead. It was because of certain things in Veilguard mainly lore inconsistencies and retcons made me reconsider. I had to wake up and admit that Veilguard is not that stellar, I wanted it to be related to Dragon Age Origins, Dragon Age 2 and more of Inquisition, but the first two were skipped over and all of Inquisition minus Trespasser. How can we like a game that failed its own franchise?
I purchased the game with my Microsoft points and then I realized that I made a terrible mistake when I watched Big Dan and Mattyplays' vids...
Easily my worst decision in 2024 since it was a colossal waste of points. Should've spent them on either Avowed or the new COD instead. 😒
"Only games journalists can give you true insight into the quality of a game."
IGN gave Concord a 9.
Edit: My bad. IGN gave Concord a 7. They gave Failguard a 9. (Now walked back to a 7).
That used to be true before user reviews, now you know why they all keep saying not to trust user reviews because it's putting them out of business.
Same people that gave alien isolation a 5.9
They also gave DAV a 9. Mario & Luigi a 5.
what's concord?
@@HANNIBAL30ro It's dead.
"Dragon Age: The Veilguard is getting lambasted for its inclusive elements because it (apparently) isn't a 10/10 experience. Meanwhile, I don't recall Baldur's Gate 3 getting a whole lot of flak for- oh, wait. Never mind, I guess I had a momentary mental lapse. But, traditionally, people will "excuse" all that gross diversity if the quality is high enough."
Well, yes, because guess what - most of the gamers are not racist bigots, but simply people that want a good artistic product instead of a mediocre political manifesto.
This exactly. BG3 didn't break story immersion with its lgbtq+ content either, it was just part of the story. It did not create sesame Street like skits to tech the audience about pronouns like we're all 5.
Veilguard is getting flack for it, even though Bioware games have had that since forever and nobody ever had a problem with it.
Classic journo logic
The problem starts with calling ideological writing à la Veilguard "inclusive elements".
yeah, what we want is Michael Stipe, what we get is sam smith.
Also, people who complain about BG3 "progressivity" mostly ignore the element and play by their own preference, which are allowed by the game (unlike failguard)
The fucking gall to berate RUclipsrs for a lack of journalistic integrity when they spammed the same "return to form for Bioware" bullshit.
The pot and the kettle, they’re so lacking awareness, it’s amazing, and they’re literally calling the consumer dumb 🤦♂️ and expect them to stay consumers 😂
Written AND played by ChatGPT.
Honestly, game's journalism isn't just bad with all the agenda posts and venting how you hate video games and gamers, it's just shit overall. It's full of clichés and tropes, and the writing is dogshit, just barely passing grammar checks. The structure is nonsensical and the reviews are still either too subjective or too generalized.
Silence, and "return to form".
But they have a piece of paper from a university that means they know everything.
I took a giant shite earlier.
It was a real return to form.
"Imagine a world without video game outlets...." Oh, wow, that's actually pretty nice. Thanks.
That's how out of touch they are. They think we would care if they all never existed.
I miss the good ol days of Forums and IRCs. The board and usenet peeps are a whole different breed.
Aren’t you watching a video game outlet right now?
Alright, this was pretty funny.
I don't read any gaming outlets so in fact that world already exists for me.
“Why arent you eating our shit sandwich? Are you a bigot? Eat it! Well now im gona write an article saying how youre the problem” - this is modern journalism
110 % ^^^^^
This gave me a throwback to “bigot sandwiches” in Last Of Us 2.
I don’t know what to tell them I’m not eating crap, I don’t care if it has cream filling I’ll never see a long john, just a turd.
Yeah Iam a bigot 😂
Guess Im a bigot, oh no…
"But this game will probably be bought by north of ten million people."
LOL. LMAO, even.
Yep. Delusional.
I think it sold less than 1 million
I dare say… LMFAO. Even perhaps ROFL…
Dude really said 10mil. They really think this game is the witcher3/monster hunter world worthy.
Absolute lunatics
Someone needs to tell that reviewer:👏JUST👏BECAUSE👏A👏GAME👏SELLS👏DOESN'T👏MEAN👏IT'S👏GOOD👏
Reminder that Nathan Grayson was one of journalists that had a relationship with a game dev in 2012, wrote positive coverage of her game and the relationship with Zoe Quinn was only revealed in 2014, this was one of the controversies that started GamerGate.
Never let them forget!
His lack of ethics was matched only by his highly questionable taste in women. Quinn is ten gallons of crazy in a five-gallon bucket.
Never forget what Zoe Quinn did to Alec Holowka.
@@sahvion1499 I'm somewhat astonished he's still around.
GOOD CATCH! I thought the name sounded familiar but couldn't figure out why. Well, this whole ego-dump article makes perfect sense now.
the irony of calling people who speak out "fascists," and those who do blind praise and just consume are considered the good people? yeah right.
It's pure projection. It's not fascism when they silence and censor people because they're on the "right" side of history. Well, Nazis thought they were on the right side of history too.
Hence why they call us all Nazis, just more projection. They even hate jews and Israel too lmao, you can't make this shit up.
7 out of 10
The lines are always blurred, but in 2024 people try to polarize opinion for their own gain. it's not "I disagree with you but i respect your opinion" is either "fascist extremist" or "dei woke snowflake" from one side to the other.
Return to form @@ChiefGore429
These morons don't even know what "fascist" means. Fascists impose their will on others and do not tolerate other points of view....sound familiar? Look in the mirror you idiot journalists and "forced DEI" lovers.
The best thing Dragon Age: The Veilguard did was exposed the mainstream game media.
Just another one for the list, will not be the last ,i guarantee after this video
That was mostly Concord. This is just a game that is wide exposed.
oh please. They have ALWAYS been this way. It's just that when The Message got slipped in from Mass Effect to Balder's Gate 3, the game was good enough that the issue wasn't a deal breaker. When flags showed up in SpiderMan game, it was becoming more apparent but the game was popular enough that ppl could just gloss over the matter. And journalism ENCOURAGED greater progressive agenda, etc. Now that progressive agenda IS the game - Dustborn and Concord and Veil guard - the journalists trying to gaslight gamers, and gamers are no longer buying. But the media continues to push for more, tell the companies to keep going. But they were always like this....gamers just ignored it for far too long...
@@jamesneese7663 It disgusts me that things like that are considered “progressive”.
@@xavierhouston4650 They only label themselves "progressive" because they think they are on a march towards Utopia and attaching the label to themselves means they are defining themselves as "the good guy."
"Imagine a world without IGN, Kotaku or polygon" - I don't need to imagine it, they don't really exist for me. never read a single article of theirs, never took into account any of their opinions on any game. I know what I like and look on youtube for gameplay videos and how good the story is... that's it.
They blame everyone but themselves
yep, we told them, but they kept ignoring us.
First it was "the game is a smashing success" and now "it's your fault". I'd ask them to pick one if I wasn't afraid it would be too much.
*I'm sure people grasped this a long time ago, Einstein.*
Nathan Grayson btw. is the dude who Started Gamer Gate 1.
This turtle is everywhere.
"Asmongold may be more popular than me, but I play football so...he's a nerd!" The state of journalistic rigor today ladies and gentlemen.
Proper Response: "Nerds: They made the damn platform. The software. The tools. You are nothing without them. So go play football, the real world has work to do."
@@formes2388 Asmongold is less "nerd" and more "slob and manchild who never leaves the house." Football is just the grass of choice for touch in that particular sentence.
asmongold is a cringe manchild nerd, he adds nothing to the conversation and hes a mega normie. people who cant clean their rooms at least once a year needs to get their head checked. the way these rich snobs do literally nothing for society is truly impressive. f wokey crud
Yeah and that nerd has millions it's like reddit insulting elon for having a dad bod while sun bathing in a yacht even tho he has more money than entire redit combined.
@@SimuLord Asmon is a slob, no doubt. He seems rather proud of it. But it is disingenuous to write him off as a "manchild who never leaves his house". He's actually a very sharp person, with surprisng insight for someone his age, and I say this as a 59 year old. He's not right about everything, of course (who is?) and he makes mistakes. But he owns up to those mistakes and doesn't shy away or try to cover things up. He has a level of honesty and integrity that many would do well to learn from.
If you're so blind by bigotry that all you see is the surface level, then I feel pity for you, your life must suck.
“Most people are relatively normal, and there’s a point where once people with a certain kind of hateful or twisted or conspiratorial view start to get oxygen and start to get enabled, their views become increasingly bizarre to a normal person. People aren’t so easily brainwashed that they all just go along with that. “
The total lack of self awareness and irony while also stating something so true is just incredible to read. They’re so close to the edge of their echo chamber, but they never fully leave it.
Amazing.
They are the same people who are in shock that Trump won the election.
@@kenshinhimura9387
😐
ikr, they really should start teaching kids selfawareness in school
As an actual non-binary person, I find the way mainstream outlets present discourse around this game absolutely disgusting... The representation in the game itself was stale, with stilted awkward dialogue and zero genuine emotion whatsoever PLUS racist overtones. It didn't do anything for me and most nb and trans people I know say the same. But now it is used as a tool to disregard any genuine criticism of the game by saying 'oh they're just bigots!!' It doesn't make me feel represented and seen it makes me feel used
I don't understand why it's so hard to make a good character. I would love tash if she wasn't an unbearable adult baby. These devs always make non binary people so unlikable it feels like it's made by haters but it's made by activists lol
…your not non-binary your either a man or a woman
kickass comment
I would like to remind everyone that sees this, that Nathan Greyson was one of the people 'entangled' with Zoe Quinn during the Depression Quest/Gamergate controversy. To say he has conflicts of interest or rather a complete lack of any integrity (let alone journalistic integrity) would be an understatement. He feels the pressure of regular gamers peering behind the curtain and seeing how his lucrative involvement with publishers/developers actually works out for him and people like him. That makes him scared and that's why he's lashing out. It's a child having a temper tantrum and i don't think his condescension will win him any new readers. And that's fine with me.
Thanks for the info, it's always the same people🤦
So what? He supposed to quit his job or dump his gf to "maintain integrity?" I never followed the whole gamer gate stuff, I just live my life and play games I think look interesting, no need to really become involved in gaming politics. So far Veilguard has my attention and I'm enjoying it, it's just another game.
@@ThatKid22101 Ok Nathan
@@ThatKid22101 anyone could have written an article on the game. kotaku is or was a decently-staffed place. instead it was the only person at the company who had fucked her, and was close friends with her, and that wasn't disclosed within the article at all. all he had to do was disclose it, but it had to be dragged out of him
@@ThatKid22101 He could have abstained from writing, citing "conflict of interest". There's other co-workers who could've done it.
One of the greatest oxymorons of the 21st century: "Journalistic Integrity"
Nathan Grayson btw. is the dude who Started Gamer Gate 1.
@Fleshbag453 She was behind Grayson, pegging him like she pegged neil cuckmann
@Fleshbag453 Nah Anita Sarkessian jumped on the train like alot of people. Nathan Grayson was one of the Five Guys in the post about Zoe Quinn that started the whole thing.
@Fleshbag453 Grayson gave positive coverage to a game in 2012 and in 2014, it was revealed in August 2014 he was having a relationship with the dev at the time, Zoe Quinn.
Lol, so true. Hence why the overwhelming majority of gamers never actually listen to these talentless hacks. Sadly many big publishers and dev studios do and specifically cater to these hacks.
games journalist saying we need to trust games journalism, their audience has deserted them so now theyre stuck smelling own farts.... how tragic
oh, but they so do love their farts, they really really do
They took a hint out of the democrat playbook it seems.
@@cirescythe they are part of that playbook. All corporate media is owned by the same people.
@@Crazy_Gamer_OGthe crazy part is that saying this would’ve got you branded a lunatic 5 years ago
“Not everything is political you rightwingers are just as bad as the left with your conspiracies”
As a journalist myself, im disgusted by the state of journalism right now
I imagine it is quite difficult to set yourself apart in your field, don’t give up. Don’t let others who are talking about ‘them’ make you think your hard work is not hard work.
In my 35 years of gaming, NOT ONCE have I ever bought a game based on a journalists review. There are zero reasons to pay attention to journalists.
Just the Steam user reviews on a game are 10000x more valuable than any 'traditional' game review I've ever read/watched.
based
@@beerosaurusrex Oddly except on Veilguard. Somehow still "Mostly Positive." My guess is that the game journalist company (because they're all the same parent company) figured it out and paid people to write positive reviews.
@@Ryden0389 I wonder if they got bots like yelp
@@Ryden0389 If you refund, your review isn't counted in the overall rating.
"Most normal people don't think like that..." Actually, they do. Most people think like that, hence low sales and low ratings. Most people are sick of politics in gaming and movies. That is why they play indie games now and watch movies outside of Hollywood. It's incredible to me how out of touch these people are and they are supposed to live and breath gaming. I live in Europe and this shit has made its' way here as well. Gtfo!
I love when they say everything is political or this happened before too to defend this. First of all false, not all things are politicial, but even so there is a difference between a subtle messaging, symbolism etc. fused well in a story, and some character in a medieval magical fantays setting coming out as a non-binary, even using the same word itself. Like come on dude.
You're not a person if you disagree with them. Same logic where their political opposition literally won the popular vote but they don't represent the majority... somehow...
@@thenomad4123 Thats just the thing. There is a difference between creating an authentic work of art that is a metaphor for some real world politics and just stuffing these topics in there so you can appeal to a woke modern audience that does not even exist to an extent the creators think they do. Like a lot of elven plots in the witcher being displays of sheer racism, but guess what, the Word does not get thrown around constantly and I do not get lectured in a condescending way, it just Shows me the grim reality of this dark fantasy world and leaves me to draw my own conclusions. Thats how you do it.
You have to word things differently. Politics in games can be a great thing. Real world, modern day, far left culture war BS is the problem.
Nobody is forcing right wing politics into games. There arent christians in every game. Hell, when was the last game with a single Christian character?
My point is politics can be good in media, just not modern real life politics.
@@thebenc1537 Yes, involvement of politics in games shows etc. in a cohesive way with the correct setting can be great. Fallout games, and Witcher series like the comment above mentioned for example. X-Men is also a fantasic example of politics done right, when the issues are worthwhile. Not these lame identity politics though.
What's funny is that the supposed critique of content creator "reviews" are the exact reason we all watch RUclipsrs and streamers to find out about a game now: journos don't care about the objective quality of a game, they care about their personal politics and their relationship to game developers and publishers.
Look at Kingdom Come Deliverance which got bad reviews for not putting forced diversity into a game that was trying to be historically accurate. Look at Wukong which got bad reviews for things devs said years before the game came out. Look at Concord which got great reviews because of the forced diversity even though the game was generic, boring, and had terrible character designs and a laughable business model.
Who gave KC:D bad reviews for not being inclusive enough? Metacritic has two negative reviews for that game (out of 65) and neither mentions inclusivity. Are you sure you're not spreading made-up arguments?
@@exantiuse497Perhaps not reviews, but I absolutely remember the controversy (I am Czech and I've followed the game quite closely), there was a big push not just from the game journos, but even some history deniers in our country. Also, just because they didn't review the game poorly doesn't mean they haven't criticized it for lack of black people in the actual reviews, they did the same with Witcher 3.
@@exantiuse497 from what I remember I believe it was IGN, the review was total garbage maybe 10% was talking about the actual game, all the rest was about diversity and ranting that there were no black people, I believe the creator of KC:D came out officially and responded to the article saying that the game was intended to be historically accurate.
@@exantiuse497 It wasn't the reviews but there where journalists from Kotaku and others outlets making articles calling the game sexist and racist other outlandish things. Now they are starting to realize that gamers and the public don't give two fucks about there "reviews " and questions there integrity as "journalists "
@@exantiuse497 I preordered the game because Kotaku and it's criticism about the lack of diverity. It was not the reviews, but this slandering pieces where widespread.
The opinion I value the most is my own. I look up information from any source to shape it. In my experience, the most efficient way is to watch someone play a game, be it on RUclips or Twitch. Regardless of what they're saying, your eyes can see the game being played. You're not looking at some carefully redacted screenshots; you're looking at the game.
Legacy media is dead, and these are just their final throes. Let's all pick up our buckets of popcorn, sit back, and enjoy the spectacle.
Why can't it just be as simple as "gamers don't want these games" rather than "there's something wrong with gamers"? The way these people think is just delusional.
Because they would have to accept that there is something wrong with the way they think. It is easier to say that it is us, the majority, that is wrong, rather than trying to adjust the way they think and fit in with everyone else. In doing so, they can act like we are the villains and that they are the hero fighting against oppression and evil.
Exactly
because people that run the analytics would lose all their jobs with how bad they have been doing
they wouldn't be cashing that Darkstone check
Transformer bs agenda can F off. I dont even care if the game is 10 out of 10 if it tells me a story about sick freaks of nature where I have to respect them an all that. I dont. And my kids wont. Nothing you can do about :)
It's really infuriating how "The good guys(tm)" that constantly call us "the bad guys(tm)"almost always project about everything and never learn a single thing from their mistakes, then again they don't even acknowledge they can make mistakes.
not learning a single thing from their mistake and wrongdoing is a very charateristic trace of the bad guys in videogames, movies and what not. Very ironic, yes
The most important pillar of fascism is having The Enemy. The Enemy could be anyone, as long as every problem in the world is their fault.
The totalitarian stage is achieved when everyone who disagrees with you is part of The Enemy.
Any fight where Nathan Grayson is one of the "good guys™" is one I'm happy to play the role of villain in.
Don't get infuriated, they're losing and quadrupling down on the same losing strategies. Just grab a drink, kick back and enjoy watching these worthless cynics fade, screaming, into irrelevancy.
@@vevvenennevvev5945 Don't taint the good name of the Cynics by associating these Marxists with them
This is one of the biggest Principle Skinner “Am I out of touch? No, it’s the kids that are wrong” moments I’ve seen in some time
The only worse ones are the Lame Stream "News" Networks and the rest of the Snowflakes melting under the crushing pressure of the realization that their candidate didn't win.
It's amazing that they can, in one breath, paint RUclipsrs the great underminers of their industry and yet call them insignificant in the next.
That's how war propaganda works. The enemy is both ridiculous and incompetent while also being a grave and existential threat to our democracy™.
They are mad noone sees them as mainstream. People rather go to youtubers they trust than these so called "journalists". If they disappeared overnight, the gaming industry would be better for it.
What I hear from that article writer is that he is mad that there are people that do better job and make more money while he does the same job but gains nothing and contempt from people. 1mil people don't matter says the stupid writer while trying to control and is bootlicker for company's.
And the appeal for social awareness is especially dumb. They say one million views against 300 million americans. Ok, it's 300, but it's also unlikely that even 10 percent count themselves as invested in gaming. And maybe a fifth of those 30 million like story driven RPGs, that's 6 million.
So, even if we assume that a significant part of their viewers aren't american, about a 1/10 of the target audience watched Asmon's video and 1/4 of it watched Skillup's, that's pretty decent coverage.
The holier than thou attitude is strong with the article he read in the beginning
FYI- Baldurs Gate 3 has almost double the player count on steam as Dragon Age Veilguard
Yes it is mostly because at the end of the day, gamers just want a fun new experience. I've restarted BG3 probably 30 times since I bought it and am still having a great time.
Do I care Astarion is constantly trying to get into my pants. No, I can choose to engage with that part of the game if I wish but I'm not forced into enjoying his company.
And Monster Hunter Wilds had more than 4 times the player count as Veilguard for a "simple" beta. Bioware is cooked anyway.
What's "sadder": BG3 has double the 24hr player count as veilguard's top player count.
Yep, I have 400 hours.
This run, my burly orc man with a vagina is fucking a flamboyantly gay vampire's brains out.
@@heathaltom8601 You can always tell Astarion to scram, or... let your durge's daddy have a word with him.
The “Silent Majority” Is Less of a thing in Gaming than it is in other media. Video Games are an expensive hobby so Casual gamers rely on word of mouth. Most have friends that are more Hardcore than they are so if they hear a game is crap they’ll stay away.
the silent majority spoke at election
THey're not wrong, we do need journalism and game journalists.
We just don't need any of the existing ones.
Disagree. Gaming is older than games’ journalism, and a twitch stream is far more informative than any article has ever been. Why read about a game, when I can watch someone actually play it and decide for myself if it’s worth my time?
@@brawler707 Sounds like you limit your definition of Journalism to a very narrow field. I think it's more than just a form of written text that says "Game good, buy/game bad, don't buy."
What LD does in his videos - Talking about happenings and events in the industry, talking about broader concepts the field, making people aware and informing them about current/past issues - that's Journalism. Each Video essay about a dev fucking up, Nintendo suing people, Game XYZ being unexpectedly succesfull - That all falls under the category of Journalism, and we like those videos because they are based on reality rather than corrupted by agenda.
The word "Journalism" is simply gatekept by the people who want to get by writing their boring Blog posts, hoping they can keep influencing millions of people with a dying medium. That was my point - We do need Journalism, we just don't need THAT "JoUrNaLiSm" anymore.
Also if the content ofwritten games media would just reflect reality and wasn't just Lobby-influenced propaganda, nobody would even think that Journalism wasn't needed. People would still read stuff from the Gaming press, because the Gaming Press wouldn't be compromised like satan's asshole.
It's just like any fom of Journalism in any field: Whenever it gets Censored and compromised, there is going to be a problem, and people will stop reading them until they are forced to by law. By then Journalism has turned into Propaganda (PROPAgating an AGENDA).
Nathan Grayson btw. is the dude who Started Gamer Gate 1.
Having people who sell reviews to games companies talking about integrity, as if they have it. Amazing.
i don't think they necessarily "sell" their reviews. they have refused to support Hogwarts and it was from a big publisher. I think it is ideology for them. they will give great reviews to a chitty game just because it has the right ideology infused into it. some games its just access media level of grading but i think Dragon Age was ideological in nature.
The main reason I say these guys sell reviews is that many companies have very samey opinions. For me that shows there's an ulterior motive behind the reviews themselves. It could be ideological, but I'm more inclined to think it's money.
Not just for this game, but most games coming out.
I'd much prefer constructive critique instead of overselling a game for what it isn't.
Or how GG ten years ago basically began because gaming journalists refused to adhere to rules around conflict of interest and disclosure. They seemed to believe that conflict of interest only applied to intentional, malicious corruption, and disclosure was only an admission of that guilt. Imagine being a journalist and resisting such basic concepts.
When even Jason Schreier removed his post about how much the game "succeeded", this says a loooooot.
Plus the word of mouth around the game right now is bad, something the game media thought the reverse would happen. They act like the story and dialogue is not plain fully horrible and they are cherry picking the "negative" reviews of metacritic, while ignoring the "positive" reviews. You explained the problem with game media perfectly.
Asmongold was probably right regarding that tweet. The reason he deleted it is because he got information showing how bad the game was actually doing in terms of sales.
He just didn’t want to be laughed at since it’s his fault the game failed
@@gamerforlife3946 he made that tweet to "own the chuds" but the game doesnt have the sales to back that shit up
Taash is the worst. The bas is such a self-righteous jerk it makes people like it look bad. Taash deserves to be Qamek'd.
I really respect and value Jason Schreier, but man, it's so sad to see that he leans into this bullshit so strongly.
"Imagine a world without IGN, Kotaku, or Polygon." I live that every day. I haven't visited any of those websites in _years_ and I've lost nothing. In fact, one could say I'm better off for it.
same
Weird that they haven’t announced 1 million sold yet and even if they did it would be 1/5th of what they need to recover 😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣
All the defenders who tried to list the pre-sale numbers as a guarantee of success must be feeling very silly right now. Copium is a short lived high.
The best they could report was that peak player count on Steam, which is hilarious.
They don't even mention the mass refund
EA shelved Dead Space Remake when that game sold 2m copies lol
A saying from 1909 still fits this issue, "The customer is always right in matters of taste" , If you don't create something your customers want to consume then don't be surprised if it doesn't sell.
Wow, that article is such a joke. He cherry picks a terrible review and then vashes against it as if every review is terrible. Talk about defeating a straw man.
If you don't think reviews/comments like that are common, you got your head in the sand. Look at the comment section of this video. It's a circle jerk in an echo chamber. I don't disagree, but that's what it is.
Tubers like clout and chasing bad news for views.
This is the same "journalist" who was caught reviewing and giving positive coverage to the person he was bedding. Without disclosing the relationship
@@jeffbrady2757 Sure. But there are also reasonable, insightful reviews and comments. Anyone who is actually interested in what the game is like isn't going to see a handful of people spazzing in the reviews and call it a day; they're going to find the intelligent-sounding ones that give the sort of information they're looking for. It's usually pretty easy to tell the difference.
The issue with the article isn't that it acknowledges there are dumb reviews, but that it pretends like there are *no* good reviews outside of journalists.
@@jeffbrady2757 How is it a circlejerk if it's true? The dialogue is trash, the agenda is hamfisted, the character creator is limited. Where are the lies?
The irony is that Veilguard sucking has almost nothing to do with it being 'woke', it has to do with it being shallow & having next to no player agency & having weird goofy Disney-Pixar style dialogue & characters... None of this is what the majority of people want, or have ever wanted, from the Dragon Age IP.
I agree on a basic level that there is a lot of bullshit on metacritic going on about identity politics, but frankly, BG3 featured diversity & inclusion and faced the same backlash, and most people still loved that game. It sold great. It 'was' a great RPG-- and that's all there is to it. Hell, even still, I wouldn't go as far as to say 'critics' are useless, but just that they are not the final word by any means, and it's not like they are necessarily sworn to objectivity and as a result some of them DO seem very biased.
I think a perfect comparison to what happened with Veilguard is Rings of Power, almost universally derided as one of the most plot-hole ridden, B-movie fantasy dialogue, junk-food for the human mind shows that has premiered in some time-- and it sits at 86% on Rotten Tomatoes somehow... But, frankly, all that means is that 86% of critics gave it at least a 6... So, anyway, that's another problem-- but the point is it's almost like battle-lines are drawn up and you have to pick a side and defend something even if it's bad; except a lot of people refuse to do that(it's called integrity).
Rings of Power doesn't suck because it wasn't true to the source material, which-- being arguably the literal grand-daddy of modern fantasy and a highly beloved IP-- would have been fucking nice-- it sucks because the writing is absolute dog-shit, and it's goofy as hell as a result.
It's sad because even fairly progressive people are just lumped in with the weird GQP anti-woke crew when they don't like bad media. Just because the weird alt-right crowd doesn't like something, doesn't mean you have to like it even if it's just objectively bad media. It's kind of pathetic.
The most worrying part for me is that youtube channels becoming more relevant to gamers is because the media ran articles like "Gamers don't have to be your audience" during the original gamergate. The media told countless people to essentially fuck off, now they are jealous of the success of youtube commentators or streamers, because gamers decided to get their news from those instead.
Ah yes. NATHAN GRAYSON. Truly a trustworthy name in journalism. Totally not someone who is both stupid AND wears red pants. Not an ex-Kotaku journalist who could literally be blamed for kicking ALL of this off with his own lack of journalistic integrity. No sir. Not someone who instantly discredits the New York Times just for writing for them. Not in the least...how long did it last before she kicked you to the curb for Lifschitz anyway?
Just beat Dragon Age and well... I'll just say if this is the tone Bioware wants to move forward with for the franchise... it's dead to me.
bioware was dead to me post andromeda, their writing was just so flat, cliche and repetitive it was like,,,, you have a great combat system, excellent kit, a vehicle thats actually fun to drive and,,,,,,, after a few hours im bored because your narrative isnt gripping and ive used that gear until i was bored,,,, then they did anthem, which someone told me 'is great when you fly around like ironman, and thats about it'
Why buy it?🤮
Crazy that you had to buy it to realize that, it was obvious without spending the money
@@xavierhouston4650 To try for yourself. To know if hate around a product is overblown or downplayed.
What a waste of money for you.
We all realised months ago and saved our cash. Least you caught up 😂
"Maybe I'm out of touch with gamers? No, it's the gamers who are wrong! "
9:40 bro NO FNG WAY! This dude COMPLETELY flipped it 180 on gamers claiming gamers are the looneys causing the issue when THEY really are…. HOLY FNG GASLIGHTING! 😵💫🤯🤯
It's literally what they did and now that people are waking up and rejecting them their egos can't handle it it's beautiful to see
The funniest thing is when he claimed jornos actually discuss game mechanics, graphics, etc
When in reality jornos sometimes struggles with game tutorials, cry about dark souls difficulty, and constantly insert their personal political views where they don’t relate to the game they are reviewing
They truly have the main character syndrome
“All my friends in the industry all we do is talk about video games”, no you do fuckin’ not. All these people talk about is race and politics.
right: in vidyuh gaymes
I think they meant like, the pokemon talk, where they just say "video games" repeatedly and in different tone to a simulate language 😂
Since this is from Vice I'd like to point out that they're at 6-7% popularity from their peak according to Google trends. Their peak was 2014 so that's a 93% reader fall off in a decade, I'd be getting desperate too. Especially since in February Vice Media said 'several hundred' staff members will be laid off.
who gives a fuck about people getting laid off over there ? seriously
I mean we are talking about the same outlet that literally ran a full smear video on Japan's anime/manga industry as a seed bed of pedophilia/illegal acts/etc and getting industry people in interviews on said video by misleading them on the topic they were being interviewed for being framed as the video as supposedly about a video on the medium as opposed to being a hit piece and then releasing the video and blocking it on only *one* country - Japan.
Soooo... yeah journalistic integrity right there!
Ironically vice actually did a fairly decent piece on milsim airsoft.
@@YM-zf8mt if you can't connect the dots between "my company is laying off hundreds of people" and a guy writing an article "this proves my job is necessary" then there is no helping you.
@@DukeOfTorpedoes the dude writing the article wants to keep jerking off on company time while the company itself is so useless it’s bound to disappear sooner or later ?
Nathan Grayson of all people talking about how RUclipsrs and Twitter have 'poisoned' Video game conversations is the absolute height of Irony. These publications need to finally die, they have been this way for a decade at this point and when you spend that long doing the opposite of what you are supposed to be doing (fairly reviewing and discussing games ), it is time for you to go.
Imagine a baker that spent a decade selling moldy bread as if it was fresh, and told you that you were a bigot when you complained you have been sold moldy bread. Tell me that Baker would have been in business for 10 years.
8:41 Why this people think everyone is in america? WE AROUND THE WORLD ARE SICK OF DEI AND GAMING JOURNALISM TOO. I don't even know american politics.
I barely speak english but can read it/watch media with it.
America is waking from woke
A lot of Americans cannot see anything beyond America.
Ignorance that the rest of the world exists.
why would i buy something that is not made for me? these studios are delulu af
When they said “Imagine a world where games journalists aren’t around”… yeah I can imagine the present day.
I can’t remember the last time I went to one of their sites, especially for any substantive discussion.
yup, youtubers, and streamers, people who actually play the game and i can get a feel for it, rather than people telling me Suicide Squad, or Anthem are incredible games 10/10
Imagine a world without them? Hm - nothing would change, shy of a lack of videos complaining about bad jurno takes in my feed.
I am wondering anyway who reads those rags these days, and by the layoffs they are suffering I assume not many people?
I mean honestly - I know nobody who, in order to infrom themselves about a game, goes through a jurno.
I'd wager that any game on steam has in their reviews a nameless somebody who wrote an essay with more insight into the specific game than any of these articles could ever
Don’t ask questions, just consoome product and get excited for next product
It's not even food
Nice reference, and apt here. Only literally everyone is asking questions and no one is consuming the product. It's quite delightful to see 🤣
ENDLESS TRAAAAAASH
WHAT ARE NEXT
@@mckinleyostvig7135 I get that reference.... I know what that is !!!
Thank God this game is so ass the media looks dumb again lol
Edit: after watching the video. They’re trying to villainize anyone who disagrees with them so badly it’s actually insane, they’re incredibly out of Touch. And it’s not even Thursday…
Oh the fail guard is at it in full force on the BioWare subreddit. Straight picking fights, arguing, calling people bigots etc. beautiful. Just beautiful lol
@ chaos flame ending for BioWare
the media always looks dumb
It's peak drama and I'm here for it.
I was hoping this game would be really good, unfortunately I lost faith in Bioware when Inquisition released, and Vielguard turned out exactly like I thought it would.
I know Inquisition sold 11 million copies, and yes I still think it's a bad game.
Media: OMG THE GAME IS SO GOOD! 8/10! 9/10! BUY PRODUCT! CONSUME PRODUCT! SO PROGRESSIVE!
Me: idc, lmao
Me: cool story bro . . . . . . Anyway 'dons helmet grabs reprimand' time to dive. FOR DEMOCRACY!!!!
I've consumed some games this year. Spent about $300 in total. But because I spent that hard-earned money on indies and AA games and not on AAA slop, I'm somehow part of the problem.
As Neil Young once sang, "Don't feel like Satan but I am to them."
@@adarkwind4712 ??? What? Nobody plays Helldivers anymore my guy. Those devs betrayed the players with all the weapon nerfs.
@kenshinhimura9387 a hundred thousand concurrent players is nobody huh. 🤦♂️ how about you form your own opinions.
@@adarkwind4712 I did form my own opinion. NOBODY I know still plays Helldivers 2. We ALL stopped playing because the idiot devs kept nerfing the guns until the game became boring to play. The player numbers back up my statement. The game lost over half it's playerbase because of the nerfs and those people never came back to the game. It fell off HARD.
OK I got a chuckle out of the mention of Baulder's Gate 3. The controversy wasn't over the game itself, but how the gaming media treats western and asian games.
These people celebrated BG3 for being the "Horniest game of all time" while showing nothing but contempt for Stellar Blade's main character design.
It's always funny when these marketing websites paint themselves as journalists. Reviewing products is not journalism. We don't call movie or restaurant critics "journalists". At best, a game review is an opinion piece, which is not journalism, so journalist integrity has nothing to do with anything. We've seen it time and time again, too, when push comes to shove, many of these sites are basically just publishing press releases with some extra ads and default to some biased position when there's some drama (because that's what they write about, most of the time, not gaming "news"). I don't know why anyone would pretend that just because they have some chief editor that disallows them from using some slurs in their paid articles, it somehow makes them the arbiters of truth on whether or not some soulless entertainment product is good or bad.
These people need money and want more power. With more power comes more money for them, so it's easy to link the dots. It's all gaslighting, but now they are panicking and got super sloppy with it.
No idea why, there must have been at lest ONE person in their midst who knows that if they shut up for half a year, they can make a comeback. Like, don't mention all of this stuff that negative for them and move on, people will forget. I have no idea who's author of an article I just read 5 seconds after I close it xD Seriously, they are so stupid to continue on digging their own careers' graves.
Why are they so mad? Veilguard was an incredible 9-10/10 game by, what, a dozen games journalist magazines? Must have been amazing! Heck, a whopping 31,654 people worldwide are currently playing it now - just a little over a week after launch! The game must have sold hundreds of thousands of copies - easy 500k. I'm sure the production and marketing budget was under 30 million - they probably turned a healthy profit!
Games journalists aren't mad. It's just RUclips grifters like this guy who need clicks for cash. The YT echo chamber is getting pretty tight with Veilguard.
@@ColorsFadeGaming Found the games journalist.
@@ColorsFadeGaming Games journalists are too soy to have anger, they'll huff and puff but they just need an iced latte and for their wife's boyfriend to come home.
@@ColorsFadeGaming IGN's greatest soldier.Hope that bonus was worth it😂
You missed a 0 there. $300 million, not $30 million. The Veilguard dev staff of over 100, earning an average of over $100,000 each per year for 10 years, is over $100 million. Another $100 million or so for all the hardware, software, buildings, etc. involved, and at least $50 million in marketing. Add in overhead, and corporate costs, and it's going to be pretty close to $300 million
U can't guilt trip people into giving u their hard earned money. Make a good product, and u will make money. Just take the L and learn from it
They've been taking Ls since ME3 over a decade ago.
Whats hilarious is there is no diversity in the offices of Ploygon, Kotaku, etc. Every single one is gay or trans and has their pronouns in their bio.
That Vice article legit just said if the game was good people wouldn't have cared about how bad or preachy it it was. The writer really cracked the code on that one lol.
I dont care if the game is "good", if it promotes degenerative ideology.
I just want good writing in my games. I shouldn't tolerate bad writing in my games that take years to develop.
A decade lmao
crazy how the general quality of writing in games has basically not improved at all in 30 years. we peaked with games like Planescape: Torment and Deus Ex.
Are we talking bad writing or pushing ideology? Because i've played lots of amazing games with "bad" writing.
@@cikameaint veilguard also the game that repeats story beats to you every 2 cutscenes? I think Bad Writing is a factor
@@The_Pikaboi In that case Veilguard is both bad and disturbed :p
The issue lies in how DEI topics are being introduced in these games. It seems the author in this video overlooks that Mass Effect 1, 2, and 3 allowed players to have same-sex relationships and even included a race that was technically neither male nor female, and yet no one batted an eye. This was because it felt like a natural part of the game’s universe, not forced onto a character or the player.
However, there are moments (like the example of Dragon Age: Vielguard) where players are explicitly “lectured” for minutes on topics like the cultural weight of apologies, which can feel out of place and forced.Players and viewers are generally open to diverse perspectives in media; the key is that they should feel like an authentic part of the story and universe, not as if the game or movie is breaking the fourth wall to deliver a message directly to the audience. It’s when these elements feel like a “lecture” that they disrupt immersion and pull people out of the experience.
ME3 - Cortez - My husband died on such and such planet, and im sad, - cool, good inclusion, Lazy bad inclusion - I AM GAY, ITS TOTALLY FINE, BY THE WAY IM GAY HERES SOME HISTORY ON BEING GAY
you can't have nuance in DEI promoting games, as the people who make said games lack the life experience that would help them see and experience said nuance.
in case it wasn't painfully obvious, Taash's entire non binary journey feels more like a fucking kid's rendition on how to be accepting of any and all non-binary people, failing to respect the player's intelligence and being force fed to hold unto toxic positivity, which is the worst kind of toxicity.
@@shadowsketch926 ive heard that the implementation of it also effectivly retcon ruins Krem's story from Inquisition, which did it right
@@totemictoad4691 good example. Almost forgotten Krem...
@@totemictoad4691Krem was a great character, and the writers handled the topic well in Inquisition. They confirmed his status with some jokes in a large group with his "found family" in the Chargers. And then dropped it completely unless your character specifically was curious. Then you could go to ask him about his life and more awkward details, and it felt like a normal conversation with someone who wasn't super thrilled to be explaining it, because it IS an uncomfortable topic that the Inquisitor is mostly ignorant of. I found it a lot more believable.
It’s funny they cherry picked one of the most hateful user reviews when there are legitimately Reddit posted reviews that are better than professional reviews on their websites (not that Reddit has a lot of good opinions they’re just out there somewhere)
Fun fact, IGN just released an article saying"Dragon Age: The Veilguard is awkwardly in conflict with itself" despite giving it a 9/10.
Damage control?
@@GreyDeathVaccineit's IGN, who cares what they say in the end? They'll end up going bankrupt sooner or later anyway
Collective groups blaming people for not supporting a product feels like the antithesis of Imposter’s Syndrome.
You’re going about your day, spending your hard-earned money on what you want, and that makes you responsible for the underwhelming performance of a 10-year project. Cool.
IGN gave Veilguard an 8 and Penguin a 5 lol. The discrepancy between users and reviewers for both of those is staggering.
Did they not give it a 9?
@@animelytical8354yep it was a 9
@@animelytical8354 oof even worse
where is this "journalistic integrity" i hear about so much?
Haha, guys we got another one! We really got him to believe "journalistic integrity" exists.
Is "journalistic integrity" in the room with us, right now?
Nowhere in Western media.
These guys are so deep into their lies and so out of touch, they don't care what words they throw. Their level of discourse is school internet trolling.
But also they know they are incompetent and are a part of a dying media. That's why they have 0 integrity and are only saying what they are paid to say, or to push some agenda. There is 0% journalism there.
In these convulsions they expose themselves and push people away even more.
It’s in another castle.
"let's imagine a world without video game outlet. No IGN, no Kotaku, no Polygon"
Has the same energy of:
"can you imagine a world without lawyers" from the simpsons.
It’s so interesting to see the parallels between Hollywood, legacy media and gaming journalism. You can see they are realizing their influence and power is waning and they are lashing out or playing the blame game instead of taking accountability.
Both Hollywood celebs and Games "journalists" realizing their irrelevancy in the world right now, they are melting down and I'm here for it.
Same with the MSM. All their lies in the final weeks of the elections and they didn't save Kamala
The journos keep talking about how they estimate the sales to be in the millions, but neither Bioware nor EA have given any kind number. If Veilguard sold in the millions, they'd by dumb to not openly celebrate that number. They keep saying it sold well, but refuse to actually say how well it sold.
Shadow of The Erdtree was a DLC and sold to 5 million people. If Veilguard sold 5 million copies, they'd make a profit off the game, but with how they're hiding the numbers I highly doubt they've reached any where near "north of 10 million sales".
The implication that the audience that watches Asmon's videos is 13 years old made me laugh. The youngest of us has twice that.
And I’m nearly 6 (yes, six!) times that! 😂
@@dragonmummy1 Heh, mummy in your nickname. 🙂
I almost have a kid that's 13. Oh god, I'm so old.
"Let them eat cake - right?" How well did that go for the French aristocracy back then?
Nobility, not Aristocracy. The Aristocracy were the ones who overthrew the Nobility.
@@irishijo1 I think you are confusing terms. You most likely meant the bourgeoisie - the un-landed middle-classes/white collars professionals.
wasn't it an out-of-context saying anyway?
something about 'if the baker runs out of bread, they're to sell cake at the price of bread'?
@@stormstrider Correct, the Queen never actually said that. However, the perception that the French establishment of the time didn't give a flying frakk about the welfare of the people was perfectly encapsulated in that little phrase. Hence it caught on and infuriated the masses. I think we've arrived at a similar point now.
@@stormstrider The story is that the oligarch's & nobles were having an expensive party with lots of cake, which they were doing a lot. Cake was expensive back then, much more than basic bread. Someone representing the lower class went up to 'what's her name' & informed her that her citizens were starving & couldn't even afford bread & that bread was in short supply because of the failed infrastructure & asked her what she planned to do to fix it.
Well, 'what's her name' makes light of it & says with a plate of cake in her hand, "If they can't get bread, let them eat cake!" The ball attendants all laughed & ignored the plight. Later, someone from the party told the already angry citizenry what happened, which later from word of mouth formed a rebellion.
Needless to say, the rebellion won. The joke about their suffering & the lack of accountability was the final straw that broke the camel's back & pushed the citizenry over the edge.
I don't know how accurate the story is, but a ruler saying to 'reduce the price of cake' to fix a problem as big as that one was still out of touch & completely lacked common sense. Either way, it showed their incompetence & the citizenry were right to rebel.
21:04 Dang bro! Hes already dead!
Love the last second shot at the end 🤣 great video!
I want to preamble this by saying I agree with most of your points in this video.
You skated past something there. Algorithms "don't create a bias, they confirm it." Through this function they create echo Chambers where the only opinion available to you is your own. It restricts the flow of free information. You cannot see things from someone else's perspective if that perspective is never shown to you because it doesn't fit yours. You have to actively seek out new perspectives. THIS is why angry. Scared. And sensationalist voices are getting amplified. They get the most attention and people start hearing them more and more. It is so very difficult to train your algorithm to avoid it. If you're even aware it's happening.
it shows you things you are more likely to watch but i get what you are saying...however i have seen the other side and its full of lies and propaganda and not different view points so they are the reason i avoid them not the algorithm
i also dont see angry scared sensational voices getting amplified either...thats more fear mongering if anything...
Maybe there's some bitterness over the fact that they worked so hard doing what they were told as children, busting their asses in academia, flushing "toxic" individuals out of their industries, then finally taking control... only to find that the audience doesn't resonate with them in any way whatsoever. They were always the kids that people found annoying and, at the peak of their careers, they find out that they remain, now and forever, the individuals people find annoying.
Yes. It’s my and everyone’s else fault we don’t like bad game loops, terrible writing and we are paying more for it. That just because a pile of sludge has a rainbow on it that we should endorse it no matter what. I’m being crass with that last line but I’m so sick and tired of this narrative. These journalists live in a bubble. They believe they are the tastemakers still. That they can enact change. No you’re not.
The internet has changed things. And trust in legacy media is at an all time low. And for games journalist that trust had been eroding away until it finally is a sliver thread. So no; it isn’t our fault. It’s yours.
no more sliver thread, their 10/10 for Veilguard yanked that away from everyone. If only they had all agreed to do a 8/10 and a rare 9/10 , people would have ignored the bias. But 10/10 and 5/5 across the board, now that is just blatantly lying to your face and shoving it in your face. Even if you want to forget and forgive, you can't, they aren't allowing you to.
Corporate greed has poisoned the industry resulting in viewing us, their paying customers, as walking wallets. They have forgotten why they exist and who they are making their products for. Unless someone on the inside wakes up they are digging their own grave… And this makes me really sad since I still love playing GOOD GAMES.
I remember when there were no games journalists. You know how I found games I liked? I rented them first. Since I can't do that now, I appreciate the online reviewers who pay for the games so that I can get the information I need. Maybe if the journalists weren't paid advertising, I'd listen to them more.
can still try before you buy
Don't forget cyberpunk or even payday 3. Sometimes youtubers can't be trusted either
@@TheUltimateHacker007 that’s not on youtubers. Cyberpunk denied even more review codes than Veilguard did.
@@TheUltimateHacker007 yeah, my only source now are TENOKE, RUNE, free gog and demo lol. If i enjoy the game then i gladly buy it
Technically, digital 'purchases' are just long term rentals
"RUclipsrs aren't bound by journalistic integrity". Neither are journalists. We should remove the phrase from existence.
Bro, journalists are bound by their so-called "journalistic integrity". The issue here is, that's actually a nickname for "being paid millions to shill bad products just so big AAA companies can at least break even" or make some profits. :)
The funniest thing is that most, MOST youtube content creators who are critical of Veilguard and many other overtly woke games, show what they mean.
They get clips and support what they say about things, using clearly identifiable moments from the game to explain their criticisms.
I could see the game jurnos making an argument that those are "cherry picked slices of content in an other wise fine game", but I would still call that a bad argument for a number of reasons.
The modern media can help but consistently lie and misrepresent reality. They're arguing about youtubers and critics who don't even really exist or have such a small following.
The real voices in the room the ones who show what is wrong with a game and then back it up and explain why they think it's bad, aren't being addressed.
Until the jurnos can openly discuss and really address the objective criticism of their industry and their business practices, they have no place questioning the integrity of others.
Others who quite commonly have a much better track record with being A consumer focused, and B consistent on principle.
define woke for me please?
@@richmondvand147if he does will you accept his definition or are you just trolling?
Incredible that in the face of successful and widely praised games like BG3 and Elden Ring, companies like Bethesda and BioWare can still bitch and complain that it’s the GAMERS’ fault that their games didn’t sell or was poorly received. Like holy Christ, how out of touch and egotistic can you be? These companies will NEVER recover from their hubris, let alone push out a good game again if they are completely incapable of accepting criticism.
Dude that first article is crazy lol "where would u get your info if not us" well I have youtube reviews, gameplay videos, first looks and streams from twitch like we truly don't need u anymore. Second bg3 did not get shit cause it was ACTUALLY GOOD minor spoiler but if you have been to act 3 one of my fav early act characters is lucretious a character that's clearly either drag or trans but their amazing with a banger of a quest.
because its good writing and not narcissist self insert BS.
"Imagine a world without PC Gamer, Kotaku, IGN..." Oh really? I think that's the world the vast majority of us gamers lived in the last 10, maybe even 15 years. Who does read that s***t anymore? If I want information about a game, I ask other people who played it, watch the trailers, or check some of the RUclipsrs I trust.
It's like saying "Imagine a world without BBC, CNN, RAI and other TV/traditional media news channels." I don't need to imagine it! I live in it already!
I wonder if this Nathan Greyson character really actually believes DA:V will sell more than ten million copies, because if he does, he's living in some kind of alternate universe.
Well said! Thanks for the obvious effort and thought put into this video.
Oh boy, I love hearing from Nathan “5 guys” Grayson
lol as I watched this I genuinely received an ad for DA The Veilguard highlighting all of the 9/10, 10/10, & 5 star game reviews it has from the media
Ignore it bro don't waste your time on that nonsense bs of a game
These people can’t learn their lesson because of how superior they believe themselves to be. The most dangerous ones are the ones who think themselves to have the moral high ground
"It's just video games"...ugh... In no other media did a critic lose such a derogatory term over the very same media they love to the extent they would revolve their whole lives around it.
These people literally talk like sad blue collar middle management Joes stuck in a bullshit job in some corporate something somewhere opening and closing JIRA Tickets and creating sale numbers from Excel sheets.
They are the antithesis of what _passion_ looks like.
Facts over feelings. Quality over inclusion.
You being offended by inclusion sounds a lot like feelings...
@@mrwerder616inclusion has been around as long as gaming has, being lectured by a game about cosmopoliton social issues with transparent self inserts from talentless doughy privileged hacks who only have their jobs because of arbitrary self promoted "inclusion" which erodes any good qualities that it might've had, is frankly, offensive. And yes these are my *feelings* and the games are *factually, objectively worse* for it.
We're done with it, the "woke" (idgaf what it is, you know what it is, and so do I, I dont need to define it) is being put away and you people are going back in the anti-social holes you crawled out of. It's over.
@@mrwerder616there’s a difference between pointing out when something’s the cause of problems with a product vs being offended/crying about it.
@@mrwerder616 No one is "offended" by the inclusion, we just didn't feel like having it.
It is nuts how entitled the media industry overall seems to be. It doesn't even occur to them that just maybe their products don't sell because they're shit? Maybe they should ASK their customers what they like rather than try to TELL them?
Because the way it works is that basically there are people with so much money that money doesn’t matter to them they’re on to the next level of social engineering society in their image then there are the people that will do and say anything to receive that money - these are the games journalists and companies
That’s why attacking them as if they’re the ones pushing it or believing their own bs kind of falls flat, they don’t believe in what they’re saying they’re mercenaries saying what keeps the money flowing
Political and Games media in chaos and denial😂
@bauer9101 It’s a case where they release they are no longer seen as legitimate to a majority of people. The so called elites and tastemakers do not have as much sway anymore on public opinion. That the Internet has democratized information in a way that cannot be easily gatekept.
For games media, this is especially the case now. They can’t just say everything is “fine” when we have games that are broken. Broken game play loops,, bugs and glitches that are unacceptable and often hard to patch out, horrendous writing and character work( assuming it’s a story based game) and the like.
And they have nobody but to blame but themselves. The role of games journalism and reviews is the inform consumers which games are worth their time and money. With games being 70 plus dollars and the economy being what it is, gamers aren’t going to just throw money away. They’ve got a larger backlog of older games to play and also, other options.
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