The first record that actually meant something to me was Sort Sol's "Dagger & Guitar" LP which I bought in 1983. Incidentally, Henry plays tracks from it on his show from time to time.
@@Seth-hc2bj On my other channel I've uploaded a documentary about the band which I taped off TV in 1984. It's not English friendly but at least you get to see what the band looked like around that time if you're interested. ruclips.net/video/lOt4s9tW7EQ/видео.html&ab_channel=GyntherMeyer
Music consumption is very different - absolutely, the experience (what we grew up with) has heavily changed how people consume it. Museums are a great example. Not just walking up to exhibits, reading them, etc. Now, it's selfies, videos, etc. It's different and interesting. But, Henry is right. It's nice to be able to consume things more in the here and now - but, that's a raw experience that not everyone enjoys anymore :S
I can relate about the experience of taking a chance on an album very much so. My preferred medium is cd’s because that’s what I had when I was coming of age as a music fanatic in the early 90’s. I agree that vinyl sounds better however just like certain albums will never hold as much meaning as when you were a teenager the cd holds the same kind of meaning.
Good for you. Also, most research i have seen on the topic states that the whole "vinyl sounds better" is a myth. At least when dealing with recordings after the 70s. But anyways, CDs are cheaper, takes less space and require next to nothing in maintenance. I also think that the artwork seldomly suffers from the smaller CD format, when dealing with albums made in the 80s and onwards. This mainly has to do with the industries shift from vinyl to CD, forcing artwork designers to adapt to the smaller format. But luckily for me i think most of the music made before the 80s is overrated, so i don't miss the detailed album artwork often associated with 70s albums.
Something I missed that Simon mentioned, surrendering to the flow and finding a song you thought you didn't like and it turns out to be your besty. In the area of Texas I lived in nobody was into Punk. Punk Rock was considered Taboo for lyrics and sound. The only band that made it through that I liked, coming from Hard Rock and Metal was DEVO and I only like the first album because the rest sounded too POP for me. It was not until I was a grown ass man that I got to hear Bad Brains, Misfits, Black Flag and I was all in because it was real to me.
Never had the amount of vinyl I wanted to, as compact disc was just becoming big and vinyl was out. The vinyl I did have was possible because of the major upgrade of stereo from my grandparents who did not want or really use the archaic one they had. I could now feel the music through big speakers and never did I just listen to one song, rather it was always the whole album. Then I was mesmerized by my friends set up with his pioneer CD player and also stupefied by the compact disc itself. lol
Simon Reynolds and Clinton Heylin are the two best music related writers. As far as I'm concerned, listening to vinyl is a proactive experience whereas streaming (for the majority of people) has relegated most listening to music to the background. People become slaves to convenience.
not really mentioned but i think there was a LOT of build-up to punk - i.e. eddie and the cruisers, the doctors of madness, etc etc - you had a lot of proto-punk hairstyles and clothing showing up and it kind of made 'punk' ripe for the taking when it happened since these motifs had been around for some time
In our area, Gothic, was initially labeled death-rock...really subjective...in the nineties goth really got attached to style of attire, music too...more maryln Manson, then all kinds of related like industrial KMFDM, Nitzer Ebb. Just seasonal labels...anyway just a convenience label really. Great interviews, much luv an respect to all!
You are quite right. Post Punk wasn't a term I had heard before the early 2000's when bands like Interpol were compared to Joy division. Also the movie 24 hour party sparked a revival of retrospective interest in British indie music from the late 70's , early 80s. Anything ''Gothic'' was considered a bit too 90s and even somewhat cheesy by the time the 2000's had rolled around. My guess is that it was a journalist who felt that describing bands like Joy Division, Siouxsie and The Banshees and Cocteau Twins etc. as Gothic was a little too reductive for such seminal bands because of the stigmatization of the word. So they coined the term Post-Punk 20 years after it had happened. That's why when Simon said he approached the bands to talk about Post-Punk, their response was '' What's that?''. But that said, I could be wrong about what the music was called at the time that it actually happened. Most of these bands all started out playing punk and slowly developed their sound to create something a bit more sophisticated hence ''POST Punk'' . It certainly wasn't called Gothic until a few years later because Joy Division didn't wear all black, they played in the clothes they wore to their office jobs. Robert Smith and The Cure had already put out Faith and Pornography, the definitive Goth sounding records, long before he started painting his face white and wearing smudged lipstick.
I would like to hear Henry´s opinion on people who LOVE music but, for example, cannot afford records, let alone $200000 speakers like him. Would that mean they cannot appreciate music or are not fair to music?
I think it's pretty fair to say, Henry was well into bands and learning and absorbing every single thing about bands and music waaaaay before he could afford $200000 speakers... You're in danger of your grapes becoming sour buddy..
I've read a few of Simon's books. They're ok. Couldn't give him full respect as he never gave much/any credit to one of the best post-punk bands of that era, Killing Joke. Many of the bands he reveres aren't even around anymore, whereas Killing Joke still are, like, 43 years later.
Henry Rollins asks such mind-numbingly banal questions. Cheers to Simon for having the patience to deal with (what was your first favorite album) and making the interview interesting, anyway.
Quite a misunderstanding of Billy Childish, he’s not trying to replicate a 60s garage band, he just thinks rock and roll form is a perfect vehicle for expression and the ‘innovations’ that came after it via post punk, new romantic are not as functional and more about showing off personalities or talent etc. Not saying B Childish is right, but just seems interesting that Reynolds thinks he’s a retro act. There’s way better examples to make that point it seems to me.
once +++again+++more lies & playback...unfortunate..playback .....>>>>from maestro rollins>>> HENRY IS DEEPTHROATING THE CRITIC....goodbye HENRY...uhhh age does not matter..???
I'd give alot to see a Steve albini interview
I recently re-read "Rip it Up and Start Again". It's a great book and I dived back into my post punk collection.
*dove back
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What is that? Autusm or just plain old pedantry?
@@Cassius3745 Both dived and dove are acceptable.
@@53puskas53 Only if you're illiterate.
@@Cassius3745 Or if you use British rather than American English.
Really miss Henry's column in LA Weekly.
The first record that actually meant something to me was Sort Sol's "Dagger & Guitar" LP which I bought in 1983. Incidentally, Henry plays tracks from it on his show from time to time.
That's a fantastic record. Written Story is one hell of a song
@@Seth-hc2bj Yes, and yes! xD
@@Seth-hc2bj On my other channel I've uploaded a documentary about the band which I taped off TV in 1984. It's not English friendly but at least you get to see what the band looked like around that time if you're interested.
ruclips.net/video/lOt4s9tW7EQ/видео.html&ab_channel=GyntherMeyer
1983 is one of the best years for music IMO.
Nice interview. Yes vinyl is like a story book. You cant’t skip the chapters.
Rip it up and start again is
a Orange Juice song.Another cool interview.
Music consumption is very different - absolutely, the experience (what we grew up with) has heavily changed how people consume it. Museums are a great example. Not just walking up to exhibits, reading them, etc. Now, it's selfies, videos, etc. It's different and interesting. But, Henry is right. It's nice to be able to consume things more in the here and now - but, that's a raw experience that not everyone enjoys anymore :S
Liverpool had a great Punk scene still some good bands there
I can relate about the experience of taking a chance on an album very much so. My preferred medium is cd’s because that’s what I had when I was coming of age as a music fanatic in the early 90’s. I agree that vinyl sounds better however just like certain albums will never hold as much meaning as when you were a teenager the cd holds the same kind of meaning.
Good for you. Also, most research i have seen on the topic states that the whole "vinyl sounds better" is a myth. At least when dealing with recordings after the 70s.
But anyways, CDs are cheaper, takes less space and require next to nothing in maintenance. I also think that the artwork seldomly suffers from the smaller CD format, when dealing with albums made in the 80s and onwards. This mainly has to do with the industries shift from vinyl to CD, forcing artwork designers to adapt to the smaller format. But luckily for me i think most of the music made before the 80s is overrated, so i don't miss the detailed album artwork often associated with 70s albums.
Something I missed that Simon mentioned, surrendering to the flow and finding a song you thought you didn't like and it turns out to be your besty. In the area of Texas I lived in nobody was into Punk. Punk Rock was considered Taboo for lyrics and sound. The only band that made it through that I liked, coming from Hard Rock and Metal was DEVO and I only like the first album because the rest sounded too POP for me. It was not until I was a grown ass man that I got to hear Bad Brains, Misfits, Black Flag and I was all in because it was real to me.
The Slits' Cut is a great album.
Never had the amount of vinyl I wanted to, as compact disc was just becoming big and vinyl was out. The vinyl I did have was possible because of the major upgrade of stereo from my grandparents who did not want or really use the archaic one they had.
I could now feel the music through big speakers and never did I just listen to one song, rather it was always the whole album. Then I was mesmerized by my friends set up with his pioneer CD player and also stupefied by the compact disc itself. lol
Simon Reynolds and Clinton Heylin are the two best music related writers. As far as I'm concerned, listening to vinyl is a proactive experience whereas streaming (for the majority of people) has relegated most listening to music to the background. People become slaves to convenience.
Give me convenience or give me death
Incredible that Simon is pushing 60! he could pass for a 30 year old
Forreal lol
I'm blown away by the fact that he's pushing 60. He looks half his age.
Listening to good music keeps one young.
Henry have them set you up with people that actually still buy records. Christ.
I bet Hank does the surfboard stance at concerts.
not really mentioned but i think there was a LOT of build-up to punk - i.e. eddie and the cruisers, the doctors of madness, etc etc - you had a lot of proto-punk hairstyles and clothing showing up and it kind of made 'punk' ripe for the taking when it happened since these motifs had been around for some time
Doctors of Madness Rules!
What he's called post-punk I heard a lot of people just called Gothic
so when did the gothic scene start then ?
Im sure youll find its subjective based on peoples expectations of what gothic is.
They overlap, actually. It would have been at the very same time with various branches.
Id say Bauhaus is kind of the start
In our area, Gothic, was initially labeled death-rock...really subjective...in the nineties goth really got attached to style of attire, music too...more maryln Manson, then all kinds of related like industrial KMFDM, Nitzer Ebb. Just seasonal labels...anyway just a convenience label really.
Great interviews, much luv an respect to all!
You are quite right. Post Punk wasn't a term I had heard before the early 2000's when bands like Interpol were compared to Joy division. Also the movie 24 hour party sparked a revival of retrospective interest in British indie music from the late 70's , early 80s. Anything ''Gothic'' was considered a bit too 90s and even somewhat cheesy by the time the 2000's had rolled around. My guess is that it was a journalist who felt that describing bands like Joy Division, Siouxsie and The Banshees and Cocteau Twins etc. as Gothic was a little too reductive for such seminal bands because of the stigmatization of the word. So they coined the term Post-Punk 20 years after it had happened. That's why when Simon said he approached the bands to talk about Post-Punk, their response was '' What's that?''. But that said, I could be wrong about what the music was called at the time that it actually happened. Most of these bands all started out playing punk and slowly developed their sound to create something a bit more sophisticated hence ''POST Punk'' . It certainly wasn't called Gothic until a few years later because Joy Division didn't wear all black, they played in the clothes they wore to their office jobs. Robert Smith and The Cure had already put out Faith and Pornography, the definitive Goth sounding records, long before he started painting his face white and wearing smudged lipstick.
I would like to hear Henry´s opinion on people who LOVE music but, for example, cannot afford records, let alone $200000 speakers like him. Would that mean they cannot appreciate music or are not fair to music?
I think it's pretty fair to say, Henry was well into bands and learning and absorbing every single thing about bands and music waaaaay before he could afford $200000 speakers... You're in danger of your grapes becoming sour buddy..
You don't need $200000 speakers to appreciate vinyl, but I do agree vinyl records are too expensive
I've read a few of Simon's books. They're ok. Couldn't give him full respect as he never gave much/any credit to one of the best post-punk bands of that era, Killing Joke. Many of the bands he reveres aren't even around anymore, whereas Killing Joke still are, like, 43 years later.
Henry Rollins asks such mind-numbingly banal questions. Cheers to Simon for having the patience to deal with (what was your first favorite album) and making the interview interesting, anyway.
You ask mind numbing questions, mate, if anyone does…
When are you guys gonna turn the tables on Nardwuar
Quite a misunderstanding of Billy Childish, he’s not trying to replicate a 60s garage band, he just thinks rock and roll form is a perfect vehicle for expression and the ‘innovations’ that came after it via post punk, new romantic are not as functional and more about showing off personalities or talent etc. Not saying B Childish is right, but just seems interesting that Reynolds thinks he’s a retro act. There’s way better examples to make that point it seems to me.
post punk was what happened when punks got money and comfortable so they either sold out or retreated into the woods to contemplate their navels.
once +++again+++more lies & playback...unfortunate..playback .....>>>>from maestro rollins>>>
HENRY IS DEEPTHROATING THE CRITIC....goodbye HENRY...uhhh age does not matter..???