E0S1 Jingliu F12 0-Cycle (Argenti) | MOC 2.2.2
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- Опубликовано: 19 ноя 2024
- #honkaistarrail #memoryofchaos #jingliu
The moment I saw the lineup, I knew Jingliu 0-cycles were back. A look at what used to be the most common 0-cycle setup on my channel. It quite easily beat the True Sting boss in v1.6 when F12 was first introduced.
0:10 Introduction
0:21 Jingliu Considerations
1:13 Strategy Overview
2:12 Annotated Run
5:21 Builds
0-cycle Jingliu definitely wasn't something I was expecting from you today
I really love the approaches you do in your teams and how you analyze each enemy and room, although I don't speak English I love your videos
This is seriously impressive.
There aren't many Jingliu 0 cycles on Argenti, especially at such a low cost.
try bili, there are tons of JL 0 cycles at 2 gold cost
@@BelialRus Is an actual 2 cost possible? Doubt
Anyway still impressive. First wave has an elite not weak to ice. The blessing might as well be useless, minus the extra turn which is quite difficult to properly time/use.
@@CaramelMunchie YT prevents posting links but the video code is BV1ry411q7Z1 on bilibili
you can also look up low cost 0 cycle JL with sustain on YT from a guy O Y F U M (i hope I dont get deleted for posting other YT channel names)
@@CaramelMunchie try bili video code BV1ry411q7Z1
@@CaramelMunchie try searching bili for 原始人又如何？击破时代依然可以超越自我！0+0镜流真2金极限0t混沌12层
My Jingliu feels so weak with Fall of Aeon.
Yeah, the diff is really wide.
there is 2 gold cost JL 0 cycle on bili , JL on Aeon , there is also JL + sustain 0 cycle 4 gold cost on YT from guy named O Y F U M also using Aeon JL
damn this video is so nice with all those analyses and annotations
Wow, you really understand the mechanics of the game with very precise planning, this deserves a subcribe!
this is such a phenomenal channel, you've taken alotta efforts ngl
What an amazing and well calculated run
I still use my Jingliu (at E1/S1). Love her design and kit (free 50% crit rate). So easy to build and I do not even have perfect relics yet.
how does one think like an actual war strategist like holy shit the briefing on the strategy is just wow
And then there is which i didn't even get her by losing the 50/50 on Clara.
I tought i got her.
that is tragic... reminds me of my days in fgo lol
Bro becomes Dr.Ratio at this point
Great run ❤ Never realized Jingliu had energy issues, but I also run her with an ER rope cuz my team for her is oversaturated with ATK buffs
Dude I've just found your channel and your run and explanation is so good, although i won't be try to 0 cycle but it's nice to know the strats. Subscribed.
Btw, can you explain to me how a standard slow bronya works and why we want her to be slow? as i seen people always want bronya to be hyperspeed.
The idea is just that you have Bronya slightly slower than whatever character you're advancing. So in this case, Jingliu is slightly faster than Bronya allowing Jingliu -> Bronya Skill -> Jingliu turn again. That's basically the idea of 'slow bronya'. I'm not too sure how widespread some terminology is because I more or less just work on things on my own.
Hyperspeed bronya (if it's what I think it is) works more that you use Bronya skill to bring whatever DPS you're using up to the same effective SPD as her like in this vid ruclips.net/video/55tJq1EVT6M/видео.html where Acheron does not need to run any speed.
Man i really need bronya. My Jingliu e0s1 without bronya takes 11 cycles to clear the first floor. Finally I'll get ruan mei. Hopefully soon I'll get bronya
ok, a couple of stuffs
you went against non quantum weak enemies, and still did a ton of dmg
you stacked up a bunch of defense ignore with 10% from genius, 20% from the LC, another 40% from pela and more deff shred from E4 pela
thats near 100%, which is good
now, i want to know if genius is still worth on this moc for those who doesnt have her LC
Pela doesn't have def shred on her e4. She gets another 16% from the lightcone
@@kaazma pela e4 gives ice res pen
Like the others mentioned, there are a few corrections with the values. LC gives 12%, S5 Resolution gives another 16%, Pela with lvl 12 ult gives 42%. With LC, the effect of 10% DEF ignore from genius gives 9.3% final dmg increase, while without LC it gives 8.4% final damage increase. Doing some ballpark estimation, the ice set is about 10% final dmg increase, depending heavily on your actual DMG and CDMG buffs during the run itself. So better substats likely win out, with genius being quite universal in usage.
Having said that, note that the above only makes sense when running Pela and Ruan Mei, which I think most people don't. Without Pela, it will lean greatly in favor of 4 piece ice or just any good 2piece/2piece. And without Ruan Mei, the total DMG buffs drop by a lot giving the edge to non-genius sets as well.
@@EiDehGaming thank you and the other replies for the corrections. I forgot that Pela was using resolution. I always use her with tutorial
I'm glad you mentioned the results without ruan mei, bc I don't usually use JL with her. In the end as I thought, genius is not the answer for these situations. Maybe 2pc ice and 2pc debuff set? Since que she needs so much the dmg%
Well done ❤
I hope you know that you’re my goat
most satisfyng dps to use nice to see 0c from her
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Dang thats op my jingliu....cant... Even with her bis..... Skill isue certified
lesson learned: grab ruan mei's lc on her rerun
x queen
any tips for this with e2 bronya? I struggle to figure out the right speed-tuning and rotations. keep up this good content btw!
Thanks! I imagine the same fundamental rotation might work? Since it does not matter too much that Bronya speeds up Jingliu so long as she arrives before Bronya. Though it seems like there's not really a way to make good use of it. One problem that might occur if you're attempting 0-cycles is that Jingliu's 3rd turn (the one that goes after Pela's 3rd turn here) may be too early preventing Pela from recharging her ult. Not sure if there's too good of a workaround besides possibly starting with a Jingliu BA on the first turn instead to utilize the last Bronya turn. Don't have E2 Bronya so not much experience with it
i have e2 bronya. instead hyperspeed i used slow bronya . 137spd JL 141. i tried hyperspeed atk boots still the usual build clear faster and doesn't complicate my turns.
I still don't understand why the moc isn't physical and ice.
honestly, me either. if I had to guess, it's genuinely just to discourage Jingliu use
Wdym this moc has ice
@@restart6358 the recommended elements are physical and electric.
@@iloverobinfromarknights but still u can use jingliu and if Recommended element is physical why do u say it isn't physical either
@@restart6358 because it directly affects the weakness of the trotter which dies on break but is otherwise quite challenging to kill
Can it work with ruan mei only using vonwac and 161 spd(no eagle)? Or equip ddd to her if my bronya e1s1?
she needs about 173.4 SPD without Eagle to pull off the same 3 turn setup. Otherwise, with one DDD, it should work. Iirc the SPD requirement for DDD + vonwacq is about 157-158. If your Bronya is E1, might be able to refund enough SP to do it. Especially if you get the 2nd ult unlike what happened in the vid.
I want too ask you that is there any problem if I ignore the pig in phase 1???, my jingliu can easily clear the first phase without killing the pig and still do the same set up like you when start the 2nd phase. Hope you can reply me soon
If you can finish wave 1 without killing the pig then there's no problem. The problem I had was that the pig was being killed by the unintentional splash giving an unwanted turn. But if you can avoid it altogether, there's no issue.
@@EiDehGaming thanks you a lot
God i wish i had jinglius light cone
I have jingliu's light cone and I still take 5 cycles to clear argenti 💀major skill issue
@@ensnear2951im too have jinglu's lc and my dmg very bad compared to the video (skill - max 100-150, ult - max 150-200) what am i doing wrong😭
@@denteeaits easy guys, its because of ruan mei broken light cone. Thats the only reason our dps cannot shine
@@denteeacould be relics/traces? I run jingliu with aeon lc and i can get those numbers with bronya + ruan mei, both e0s0
@@curryfishheadenjoyer is bron + ruan mei better than tingyun + ruan mei to go with jingliu?. i just got her today
Is salsotto actually better than arena or you use it just due to better substats?
Arena is better
Arena is better in general. There are fairly niche scenarios where Salsotto might win out in 0-cycles, such as trying to finish a phase in 1 ult + 1 skill.
Does Sparkle perform better than Bronya in this team?
Sparkle fundamentally does not work with this rotation since she only has 50% action advance instead of 100%.
Is Ruan Mei with 4-PC Eagle required here?
not really. it's more about the ult uptime on wave 2. there are other ways to achieve it and this is the one i chose
@@EiDehGaming thank you! Slow Ruan will also work here
is inert salsotto better than rutilant arena?
Arena is better in general. There are fairly niche scenarios where Salsotto might win out in 0-cycles, such as trying to finish a phase in 1 ult + 1 skill.
can you make boothill 0 cycle?
i definitely intend to do one
As Boothill owner, I would say that it'll be the least hard 0-cycle ever. This buff is so catered towards him, that at E0S0 you just go RM, Bronya and Pela and do it first try without any preparation.
@@gonnabestupidbutactuallyno8295 it's not really a surprise that rm bronya and pela can do it. The run i tried was without ruan mei
@@EiDehGaming I tweaked my rotation and did it with Gallagher instead of pela today. BHill is just insane for this buff, in the previous one I can't beat 2 cycles for side 1...
Yeah, it really inflates Break perfomance. Can't wait for ppl to say stuff like "FF just power crept everything" after seeing effortless 0 cycles.
@@gonnabestupidbutactuallyno8295 Yea from my testing, RM, Boothill and Bronya basically only need a 4th character that provides 60 units of toughness damage each phase and sufficient SP and it's enough. I managed to do one with March 7 as the 4th slot. Anyway yea... it's a bit of an issue especially with all the youtube video thumbnails that I see spamming how OP a new character is with MOC rotations catered to them. From DHIL to Jingliu to Acheron to Robin, more often than not, it's the MOC lineup and blessings themselves that matter more than how strong the character is (which in itself is a highly subjective metric). Not that these characters aren't strong, but there is always some nuance to it.
What is the music?
All are hoyo music.
Explanation music - Fair Play
Wave 1 - The Strength of Sin is the Law (Boss Theme)
Wave 2 - Argenti theme
How do you get the 5 energy for first jingliu ult?
ruan sig, till this date i regret not pulling for it
@@simpleman9889 yep I understood that after I read the lc, will definetly get it in her rerun.
You don't. Every character after using ult gain automatically 5 energy
@@akioyuja9206 if you dont have ruan mei lc you will be 5 energy short after jingliu skill.
@@cagrgunduz9934 you can rng the er from BP weapon I guess
Why am i the only one whose jingliu does only 100k per skills? She feels so weak for me
Bro, my jingliu skills even barely hit over 100k damage with sign lightcone and i dont know why. I got 35/227 ratio, 4 ice set with bronya and pela using broken keel with maximum lv trace on skill ult and talent. Something aint right after i saw this showcase
@@ren1102 so I'm not the only one 😭 my super break xueyi team clears faster than jingliu/bronya / RM/ Fu Xuan and it's really weird. My acheron out damages her so hard , she seems like kind of a joke
@@thepotato1226 feels pretty bad when i lose my 50/50 on acheron bro. Right now i need more dps bcs only IL carrying my account so hard. Firefly looks so promising but i need RM as well. Definitely enough sj for both of them if im not losing the 50/50 but the ptsd got me 😫
@@ren1102 I saved for Acheron + LC + aventurine and honestly they saved my account. Now I'm getting firefly and I'm going to have the 2 best teams in the game (+ don't rely on weakness types)
Trying this nearly a week and still can't finger out why your jingliu can deal that much dmg. The differrence between you and my build is I using the ice set with w7 planar ornament (PO) set, and you using the quantum set with w6 PO. But I don't think 15% ult increase and the quantum set can be so much differrence compared to my build (i just can deal nearly 400k to argenti with the same buff like you). But I still have no ideal how your jingliu can deal ton of dmg like that???
is your gear comparable? Do you have RM and JL LC? S5 Resolution on Pela? If not, then that might explain the disparity in damage. If you do, then perhaps there might be something else problematic like buffs running out too quickly, etc.