Oh, a little trick I did with the same problem of fuel being pushed back out (i know you'll install EFI, but just incase) I connected the overflow (-hose in my case) to the pressurized part of the intake (basically right next to the carb). This will pressurize the float bulb whenever you have boost, therefore you'll have a nice mixture and no leaks (in my case is was that easy, but no guarantee;) And.. yes, you can't run full power for more than 20 seconds because the pressure closes the float-valve...
On the foot rests on the pegs, put some handlebar rubber grips or something, just to add more aesthetics and a lil grip on the feet. You guys should definitely install a rear disc brake kit to be operated either by foot on the pegs or by hand on the left side of the handlebar
With suspension would be cool,a crawler haha. I'm sure forks from a mountain bike could work. Just cut and make them a bit wider to fit wider wheels in and re-weld with some decent gussets.
+Adam Loer grab a chinese kids atv and use the suspension from that, hack away and boom there ya go. could even find a beat up tav with a bigger engine and use that. perfect for a single seater
It's crazy how this channel has developed, these videos keep getting better in my opinion. The content has always been great but the editing, talking points, and presentation has improved a ton. Congrats guys, keep churning out awesome videos!
Hey Issac, the pressurized air box idea could work, but you would need a fuel pump pushing fuel to the carb at the same time. If you didn't there would be no way for the fuel in the tank to make it to the carb. You'd likely blow air from the turbo into the fuel tank as the float dropped. Cool build guys!
And as for the flywheel magnet, grab a normal bar magnet with North and South poles on opposite ends. There is a magnet on the flywheel (normally held in by epoxy with a screw visible on the top), it has a small gap either side of it. Put the north side of your magnet on the whole length of the flywheel magnet, if it attracts to nearly the whole magnet then the flywheel is a south pole magnet and you'll need a south pole Hall effect sensor for the EFI. If it repels, try putting the south pole of your magnet on the flywheel magnet, if it attracts nearly all of the flywheel's magnet then the flywheel is a north pole, if it repels it's south. Hope this helps!
Don't forget when you install the EFI that you'll need a longer exit exhaust system from the turbo onwards so that the oxygen sensor works properly. I find if you place the oxygen sensor just after the turbo exhaust outlet it will get heated to at least 300c which is perfect for the sensor's requirements. Placing it between the engine's exhaust and the turbo inlet will make it too hot, and also restrict the flow of exhaust. Let me know if you need any help setting it all up.
should get some handlebar grips for the foot pegs so you have a little bit more sturdy foot pegs. :) might be a little more comfortable for your feet too
Great Job guys, its coming along great and looks like loads of fun! Just a recommendation, maybe you want to wrap those foot pegs with some grip tape to help keep your foot from sliding off the smooth paint if your shoe were to ever get wet on the underside.
you need to up the jetting on the carb, it's running to lean, I've built plenty of draw through carb/turbo setups on dirtbike and 4 wheelers, get a wideband o2 air/fuel gauge to help with tuning, it should be around 11.0-12.0 air/fuel ratios at wide open throttle.
What you could do is use a GM alternator to charge it while your driving and use the stock charging system to keep it charging while the engine is running, no drain on the engine and your always charging. Idea, hide the throttle cable in the same method you did to the wiring harness it would help clean up the frame a lot and there's no risk of getting it caught on anything while your driving.
ike I love the ideal of putting the pully for the alternator on the axle that's pure genius brother looks awesome can't wait for the efi I'd like to see a top speed run with put the PVC on the tires it would go faster without all that wheel spin
Are you guys going to use a wideband to monitor AFR's. I don't see how self tuning can work without one. If you get a wideband, I can tune it via Team Viewer.
It would also be cool to see a shed update every once in a while. Not necessarily a whole video but a quick update would be interesting. Maybe you all could paint it with a CarsandCameras theme. And drop some wood chips or gravel on the swampy area in front.
so if you decide to tune the EFI yourself, what I was told about Air Fuel Mixture Ratios was that for best economy with decent power 14.7:1 is the best AFMR. Going beyond 15:1 AFMR is lean. 13.8:1 is best power AFMR, but going beyond 4,500 rpm requires a rich condition to keep from pre-detonation so a 12.5:1 - 12.8:1 is best for wide open beyond like 4k .... so just set it for 13.8:1 and it'll be fine.
Two things: Along with Wire-tuck, maybe a Cable tuck? ALSO- I'm pretty sure once you do get it running better/properly with Turbo, that Crankcase breather vent-tube coming from Valve cover is going to need to be run some where other than just out int space, pointing downwards....... after enough oil builds up in the cover and ESP with Blow-by from Turbo charging a el'cheapo Foreign-made motor you will get some amount of oil blowing out of that hose...... either a catch can, OR a PCV valve hooked up running it back into the intake will be needed
considering its carbed theres probable not a hall sensor, what you can do is add a 36-1 pickup wheel (pretty much the standard) and it should work fine
So with the turbo you got another 1 mile an hour out of it. Seems pretty good to me. I just drug a old three wheeler out of a field today. It's been sitting there for at least a decade in the weather. I have ideas on making it a drift trike, but I'm not sure yet. Have to get a motor, brakes, and get a few things to free up. It is more of a tricycle anyway so it just make sense. Even though it has shot off-road tires on it. Plan to put a 212 on it, would you recommend a 420. It used to be my dad's. I'm gonna see about posting videos on it. I'll say something if you'd want to check it out.
Hey! You used the metal cast spray paint I suggested after using it on my kart! Whether or not my comment actually influenced your guys' choice, it still makes me feel good haha
Can't wait to see what EFI system you have and how it will work on a small motor. That said if you guys were working on a budget I would recommend MegaSquirt pretty much DIY EFI system without the self learning. Maybe one day someone will release a MegaSquirt that can self tune.
Than a blow off valve would be a good idea. Now you have a draw through turbo setup. You can only place a blow off valve on a blow through turbo setup as far as i know.
Looks really good guys. If you pressurize the whole carb in a box with the turbo wont you be sending back pressure through the fuel line as well. If this is gravity fed that might pose a problem. Also some rubber foot grips would be cool.
+Rod McHugenstein Ike and John were talking about running a line from the turbo to the gas tank and that would solve the gas from being sent back to the tank.
I recommend putting some rubber grips or something over the footpegs on the drift trike so your shoes can grip to them better and it won't wear the paint down on the pegs.
you need a BOV, itll help the idle surge. just look for one off a saab or volvo. or make one, its just a springs one way check valve, google it. it will work fine for the carbs, and cheaper. also instead of that welded pie cut mess you coulda just uses a few angel cuts and then hose clamped some radiator hose for the complex curves. just saying, consider revising it or at least discussing that on the next episode. thanks @CarsandCameras
you guys probably already know but, the exhaust pipe could do with less of an angle for better gas flow, and the inlet better throttle response/power :) looking forward to efi :)
The carb would have never worked attached to the discharge side of the turbo because the psi entering the carb would never let the fuel reach the top of the carb jets. (like blowing in a straw in your drink the liquid would never reach the top) they work on a vacuum to create the vapor. i was curious to see the carb with extra suction and if the jets would become more efficient. im sure the carb would have become ice cold if it were getting the correct suction from the turbo.
Amazing job guys. Can't wait to see more videos. Definitely a better idea on the charging system. And I was wondering can't you drift without the (pvc) on the tires? Keep up the great work.
To be completely honest, if you had a electric fuel pump and a boost referenced fuel regulator you'd be set. The problem with the first setup was instead of fuel going the way it usually does you had air pushing the fuel backwards through the carburetor.
I guess the box thing wouldn't work either because the boost would Push the fuel back into the tank still. so that would have to be in the box too or maybe a pipe from the turbo to the top of the tank to equal the pressure surrounding the carburetor and the pressure surrounding the fuel to simulate "normal" conditions. correct me if I'm wrong
If you guys put the turbo outlet on the bottom pointed slightly down directly to the intake you will have much better results and the fuel won't pool since the outlet Is on the bottom
they make a rubber boot that can mount to the motor and then a dirtbike carb has a slide so it wouldn't pressurize the bowl. you might get a good performance range out of it too.!!!!
I've been thinking about declaring a King of the Hill reference.. Based on homie's voice. But I just know it had to have been posted a bunch already lol. And yet here it is.
I just found your channel. I love it! I wanna build something like this. I don't have that much money to throw at it and i don't have a welder or hell anything yet. I took a look at the axle kit you guys are running. MMM I kind of wanna do the whole build for that much. Maybe I can't :(. I will just have to look around junk parts and clean then up. Love what you guys do and keep it up. Id love to see you do some high speed drifting. It will be fine.
top speed test with out plastic over back wheels is needed this thing looks like it'll be fun drifting or not so let's see what it does as just a trike
13:41 Just started watching and I had a feeling y'all shot with a DJI osmo, love that camera, looks like the same setup as mine. is that a Rode videomicro?
im thinking that this turbo on the 670cc attached to a manual transmission of a fiberglass kit car or motorcycle would be an excellent build. any suggestions? it would have enough horsepower to be fun. possibly a gutted ford fiesta or something super light weight?
You ought to get some covers for the foot-pegs, maybe just some motorbike handlebar grips or something, stop the paint from getting damaged down there.
Take the sliders off the rear wheels for tuning purposes and you might even pick up a few MPH that's scary with trees on both sides of ya going 40mph face first...lol
Paint job looks great, I was surprised by how well the stripe idea came out. I also want to know why you guys have to keep messing with the key while driving?
Oh, a little trick I did with the same problem of fuel being pushed back out (i know you'll install EFI, but just incase)
I connected the overflow (-hose in my case) to the pressurized part of the intake (basically right next to the carb). This will pressurize the float bulb whenever you have boost, therefore you'll have a nice mixture and no leaks (in my case is was that easy, but no guarantee;)
And.. yes, you can't run full power for more than 20 seconds because the pressure closes the float-valve...
On the foot rests on the pegs, put some handlebar rubber grips or something, just to add more aesthetics and a lil grip on the feet.
You guys should definitely install a rear disc brake kit to be operated either by foot on the pegs or by hand on the left side of the handlebar
make a monstertruck go-kart that would be really awsome
yessss plssss
+luc snippe An atv w a predator engine would be cool.
With suspension would be cool,a crawler haha. I'm sure forks from a mountain bike could work. Just cut and make them a bit wider to fit wider wheels in and re-weld with some decent gussets.
+Adam Loer grab a chinese kids atv and use the suspension from that, hack away and boom there ya go. could even find a beat up tav with a bigger engine and use that. perfect for a single seater
Fearless Front is building that exact thing right now.
What do you mean you, "Can build another trike." You've got a spare Ike too.
+Lou Spowells ayyyyy
It's crazy how this channel has developed, these videos keep getting better in my opinion. The content has always been great but the editing, talking points, and presentation has improved a ton.
Congrats guys, keep churning out awesome videos!
+Paul Hutchinson thanks
That is so awesome. That blue turned out like perfect. Looks like some sort of drifty thing.
7:42 just me who thought the handle of the Drift trike looked like the exhaust on the Honda? xD
that's creepy, I thought that too!!!!
Hahaha
I thought that too
I did too
Hahaha
Coming to a Toys R Us Near you!
3d your the best bro
Bruhhhhh
i ❤ you 3dmachines
You r everywhere Roman Atwood Cassie niestat
3d machine keep ur videos up
Hey Issac, the pressurized air box idea could work, but you would need a fuel pump pushing fuel to the carb at the same time. If you didn't there would be no way for the fuel in the tank to make it to the carb. You'd likely blow air from the turbo into the fuel tank as the float dropped. Cool build guys!
Great episode. Scary fast drifts there near the end. Looking forward to the EFI.
And as for the flywheel magnet, grab a normal bar magnet with North and South poles on opposite ends.
There is a magnet on the flywheel (normally held in by epoxy with a screw visible on the top), it has a small gap either side of it.
Put the north side of your magnet on the whole length of the flywheel magnet, if it attracts to nearly the whole magnet then the flywheel is a south pole magnet and you'll need a south pole Hall effect sensor for the EFI.
If it repels, try putting the south pole of your magnet on the flywheel magnet, if it attracts nearly all of the flywheel's magnet then the flywheel is a north pole, if it repels it's south. Hope this helps!
Don't forget when you install the EFI that you'll need a longer exit exhaust system from the turbo onwards so that the oxygen sensor works properly.
I find if you place the oxygen sensor just after the turbo exhaust outlet it will get heated to at least 300c which is perfect for the sensor's requirements. Placing it between the engine's exhaust and the turbo inlet will make it too hot, and also restrict the flow of exhaust. Let me know if you need any help setting it all up.
you guys are heading in the right direction you guys are gonna blow up soon, great job
should get some handlebar grips for the foot pegs so you have a little bit more sturdy foot pegs. :) might be a little more comfortable for your feet too
Love the blue, also for a next project, I think a 670 "mini" bike would be epic, can't wait to see how the efi does on this, keep it up 👍
Great Job guys, its coming along great and looks like loads of fun! Just a recommendation, maybe you want to wrap those foot pegs with some grip tape to help keep your foot from sliding off the smooth paint if your shoe were to ever get wet on the underside.
Looks down right fun. That skinny road tho- another trick build guys. Thanks
that paint job is AWESOME
Some people don't like the "ya'lls" and southern expressions but I think it's really comforting and family friendly.
+Paxmax thanks
I've been wanting to do a trike like that with a rear lawn mower wheel as the front wheel, or something stupidly big like that
blue looks great on that trike.
Damn Ike !!! Back at it again with the gnarly drifts 😂😍😍 this episode was great !
+Mr. Clutch lol thanks
I actually just removed the governor from my Honda gx340 (predator 420)
your vid helped a lot
+b00st cool
you need to up the jetting on the carb, it's running to lean, I've built plenty of draw through carb/turbo setups on dirtbike and 4 wheelers, get a wideband o2 air/fuel gauge to help with tuning, it should be around 11.0-12.0 air/fuel ratios at wide open throttle.
What you could do is use a GM alternator to charge it while your driving and use the stock charging system to keep it charging while the engine is running, no drain on the engine and your always charging.
Idea, hide the throttle cable in the same method you did to the wiring harness it would help clean up the frame a lot and there's no risk of getting it caught on anything while your driving.
ike I love the ideal of putting the pully for the alternator on the axle that's pure genius brother looks awesome can't wait for the efi I'd like to see a top speed run with put the PVC on the tires it would go faster without all that wheel spin
Are you guys going to use a wideband to monitor AFR's. I don't see how self tuning can work without one. If you get a wideband, I can tune it via Team Viewer.
It would also be cool to see a shed update every once in a while. Not necessarily a whole video but a quick update would be interesting. Maybe you all could paint it with a CarsandCameras theme. And drop some wood chips or gravel on the swampy area in front.
You guys should do a hemi vs non hemi predator 212 comparison. In both parts/hardware but also performance.
the mantra of this channel... "it'll be fine"
so if you decide to tune the EFI yourself, what I was told about Air Fuel Mixture Ratios was that for best economy with decent power 14.7:1 is the best AFMR. Going beyond 15:1 AFMR is lean. 13.8:1 is best power AFMR, but going beyond 4,500 rpm requires a rich condition to keep from pre-detonation so a 12.5:1 - 12.8:1 is best for wide open beyond like 4k .... so just set it for 13.8:1 and it'll be fine.
Nice work! Looks fun and I like what you did with the gussets ;) Can't wait to see what you do next.
+Learning and DIY thanks
another awesome vid. the paint came out cool with the exposed metal.
Turning out great! I would definitely do something to make those foot rest safer.
Two things: Along with Wire-tuck, maybe a Cable tuck? ALSO- I'm pretty sure once you do get it running better/properly with Turbo, that Crankcase breather vent-tube coming from Valve cover is going to need to be run some where other than just out int space, pointing downwards....... after enough oil builds up in the cover and ESP with Blow-by from Turbo charging a el'cheapo Foreign-made motor you will get some amount of oil blowing out of that hose...... either a catch can, OR a PCV valve hooked up running it back into the intake will be needed
+Eclidean catch can will do it. lol easier
I love it. This makes me want to take this old mountain bike and homemade kart at home and make one.
considering its carbed theres probable not a hall sensor, what you can do is add a 36-1 pickup wheel (pretty much the standard) and it should work fine
So with the turbo you got another 1 mile an hour out of it. Seems pretty good to me. I just drug a old three wheeler out of a field today. It's been sitting there for at least a decade in the weather. I have ideas on making it a drift trike, but I'm not sure yet. Have to get a motor, brakes, and get a few things to free up. It is more of a tricycle anyway so it just make sense. Even though it has shot off-road tires on it. Plan to put a 212 on it, would you recommend a 420. It used to be my dad's. I'm gonna see about posting videos on it. I'll say something if you'd want to check it out.
If you have any satin black left over you should paint that seat. Can't wait to see that EFI kit though!
Hey! You used the metal cast spray paint I suggested after using it on my kart! Whether or not my comment actually influenced your guys' choice, it still makes me feel good haha
I want to meet you guys so bad, and i love your videos, keep up the good work
It'll be fine!
You should take the seat plastic off and either paint it matte black or dye it black with some rit dye.
Can't wait to see what EFI system you have and how it will work on a small motor. That said if you guys were working on a budget I would recommend MegaSquirt pretty much DIY EFI system without the self learning. Maybe one day someone will release a MegaSquirt that can self tune.
Shifter kart next
gawd yes!
+stupid rc studio
With their fab skills, they'd probably hurt themselves.
wow your cart looks a lot better now. Need to get a Pyrometer for carb tuning
Niiice! I've been waiting on an update on the drift trike.
Love the vids keep it up guys
I'm excited for more 670 videos. More power!
GOOD JOB GUYS..TRIKE LOOKS GREAT
+LESLEY 420 thanks
the polarity of the flywheel means it either uses a single magnet, like a Tecumseh, or two magnets with a space like a briggs and stratton
you mean a crapcumseh.
Liking the blue paint job, guys! Don't get hurt on that crazy contraption, though!
Do you ever get complaints from your neighbors?
+Yet Another Car Show yes we do
I figured that was the case. I'd just offer them rides. Who could complain after seeing how much fun it is?
Looks sweet... how about painting the seat flat black.
+Fabian Barraza Do This, it would look sweet
+Fabian Barraza For real! I think everyone wants to see the seat painted black!!
great job looks good keep it up. my son and I are working on a shopping cart go cart .
Than a blow off valve would be a good idea. Now you have a draw through turbo setup. You can only place a blow off valve on a blow through turbo setup as far as i know.
Looks really good guys. If you pressurize the whole carb in a box with the turbo wont you be sending back pressure through the fuel line as well. If this is gravity fed that might pose a problem. Also some rubber foot grips would be cool.
Good point ;)
+Rod McHugenstein Ike and John were talking about running a line from the turbo to the gas tank and that would solve the gas from being sent back to the tank.
I recommend putting some rubber grips or something over the footpegs on the drift trike so your shoes can grip to them better and it won't wear the paint down on the pegs.
the blue is nice and the trike too
you need a BOV, itll help the idle surge. just look for one off a saab or volvo. or make one, its just a springs one way check valve, google it. it will work fine for the carbs, and cheaper. also instead of that welded pie cut mess you coulda just uses a few angel cuts and then hose clamped some radiator hose for the complex curves. just saying, consider revising it or at least discussing that on the next episode. thanks @CarsandCameras
Nice! Just a suggestion, put some handle bar grips on the foot pegs.
you guys probably already know but, the exhaust pipe could do with less of an angle for better gas flow, and the inlet better throttle response/power :) looking forward to efi :)
The carb would have never worked attached to the discharge side of the turbo because the psi entering the carb would never let the fuel reach the top of the carb jets. (like blowing in a straw in your drink the liquid would never reach the top) they work on a vacuum to create the vapor. i was curious to see the carb with extra suction and if the jets would become more efficient. im sure the carb would have become ice cold if it were getting the correct suction from the turbo.
I think the next build you guys should do is a very powerful electric go-kart. That would be amazing!
Great job guys!! Ive been watching you guys from the beginning! keep it going, and get a Turbo on that 670!!! DRIFT KART!! haha
Amazing job guys. Can't wait to see more videos. Definitely a better idea on the charging system. And I was wondering can't you drift without the (pvc) on the tires? Keep up the great work.
can *
Billy crystal and will Ferrell that’s a nice paint job 🎨
18:05
Why's it running so good ?
Cause it's about to blow up, they always do that 😂
Can't wait until you guys get the EFI hooked up and running awesome :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)
Are you guys ever going to move out to the shed?
Put Blow Off valve on it :D
I like the blue! But you should bed liner the seat black.
+Luke Fleming That's what I'm talking about!!!
brushed silver rims would look Awesome!!
11:40 "Dang it, Bobby!" - Hank Hill.
To be completely honest, if you had a electric fuel pump and a boost referenced fuel regulator you'd be set. The problem with the first setup was instead of fuel going the way it usually does you had air pushing the fuel backwards through the carburetor.
What a crazy build!
its like a 64 impala man, X frame :) also blue was a great choice!
@carsandcameras can you guys please do a detailed or at least semi detailed bit on the EFI install pleaseeeeeeee
+carsandcameras
oil pressure and temp gauge, boost Guage and bov. for the finishing touches then this thing would be mint
I think you guys should build a racing lawn mower.love the vids keep it up
I guess the box thing wouldn't work either because the boost would Push the fuel back into the tank still. so that would have to be in the box too or maybe a pipe from the turbo to the top of the tank to equal the pressure surrounding the carburetor and the pressure surrounding the fuel to simulate "normal" conditions. correct me if I'm wrong
yeah that's the correct way to do it
Love your guys vids. Trike is killer, gray sweat pants w/hole... Not so much! LoL 😆
If you guys put the turbo outlet on the bottom pointed slightly down directly to the intake you will have much better results and the fuel won't pool since the outlet Is on the bottom
you guys should put the boost pressure on the tank as well, that way when it hits boost, it also gets more fuel
I loved it when he come flying around that corner
+Nathan Bennett thanks
Your welcome keep up the good videos!!
14:20 - 14:30 .nice circle . DRIFT IT!
they make a rubber boot that can mount to the motor and then a dirtbike carb has a slide so it wouldn't pressurize the bowl. you might get a good performance range out of it too.!!!!
1:57 "Sexy it up" Lol Its looking good fellas.
I've been thinking about declaring a King of the Hill reference.. Based on homie's voice. But I just know it had to have been posted a bunch already lol. And yet here it is.
I just found your channel. I love it! I wanna build something like this. I don't have that much money to throw at it and i don't have a welder or hell anything yet. I took a look at the axle kit you guys are running. MMM I kind of wanna do the whole build for that much. Maybe I can't :(. I will just have to look around junk parts and clean then up. Love what you guys do and keep it up. Id love to see you do some high speed drifting. It will be fine.
thanks
top speed test with out plastic over back wheels is needed this thing looks like it'll be fun drifting or not so let's see what it does as just a trike
loveing that blue
13:41 Just started watching and I had a feeling y'all shot with a DJI osmo, love that camera, looks like the same setup as mine. is that a Rode videomicro?
im thinking that this turbo on the 670cc attached to a manual transmission of a fiberglass kit car or motorcycle would be an excellent build. any suggestions? it would have enough horsepower to be fun. possibly a gutted ford fiesta or something super light weight?
7:42 looks like a huge exhaust on that Honda
Collinfurze's is cooler looking but yours is the best,fastest,and the safest.
You ought to get some covers for the foot-pegs, maybe just some motorbike handlebar grips or something, stop the paint from getting damaged down there.
Take the sliders off the rear wheels for tuning purposes and you might even pick up a few MPH that's scary with trees on both sides of ya going 40mph face first...lol
This is really like the road kill of go karts which is something I always wanted
ooohhh shots fired 6:51
Paint job looks great, I was surprised by how well the stripe idea came out.
I also want to know why you guys have to keep messing with the key while driving?
+Paul Hutchinson i think the turbo is spooled up enough that it has a really high idle keeping us from stopping
Ha, I'll take your word on that one. Did you guys already order the efi? or do you think Go Power Sports will send one for free?
we havent yet. garage amino is taking care of it
Looks great guys, good work. How hard would a waste gate be to home make, because you are killing me with the key thing lol?
Polaritiry as in magnetic pole can be found with a compass if it pulls south then fly wheel has a North Pole and vise versa
+David Simpson thanks