Anyone who says Abby isn't abusive needs to look no further than Chloe. "If I can't throw them out, they can't quit. So no matter what I say to them they can't quit. So I just go for it." That's horrifying
The people who say this are the same people who try to shame the girls for being "ungrateful" to Abby because of all the opportunities they've gotten. People just can't look at the bigger picture.
Abby obviously treated all the girls terribly, but when it came to Chloe it was like she was letting the darkest, most evil parts of her out. People see a grown woman having so much hatred for a young girl and don't see that as abusive? Even after admitting that she purposefully tried to sabotage her, "i never wanted Chloe to win, she won all the time"?? That's not being a tough teacher at all. What teacher preys on your failure and downfall? I really hope those who still believe that she's just "tough" are kids who don't understand how bad that behaviour is yet, because any adult who thinks that behaviour is normal...yikes...i hope they don't have their own kids until they get that mentality sorted out.
@@AngiO-f1s Well apparently she was never that bad until the fame, strict sure but then you also have to remember that Abby LOVED Brooke before Dance Moms like Brooke was the Maddie of the studio
This! That’s why s8 flopped hard. This is no shade to the dancers in that season, but what made the OGs special was their chemistry. They’ve been dancing together since they were little and they all had a close bond.
I fact, they wouldn't be anybody without Abby, her boyfriend and her started with the idea of the show and Abby was known for making stars, she's really a talented person so the girls are, but maybe if their teacher were Katty it wouldn't be the same thing, just spitting facts
*27:54* "Go. Stop crying. Stop acting like this." Ma'am, your 8 year old _little_ girl is in distress and needs love, comfort, and support. Instead, you're too worried about the status of your child in an evil show designed to exploit and abuse children. These people make me sick.
It's sadder when you think about the fact that maddie did an interview about that situation and she said she was crying because she hadn't eaten lunch at school that day and was hungry
It’s such crap they could’ve left if they wanted any contract can be broken and then what? What is the repercussions of a broken contract they can go ask them after them for damages you know but you can’t cite damages I mean in a situation like this I’m sure because it’s putting the kids first putting their health first and the judges would see that and so it was just all just you know the moms were just stage moms and they didn’t wanna leaveKelly left and season four. What happened to her? Did anything happen to her Kelly left and season four what happened to her Kelly left and season four what happened to her? I mean so your spouting out they weren’t allowed to leave is such crap.
Chole had the talent to become an amazing professional dancer. I remember the episode where Chole and Maddy auditioned for that NYC ballet company (can't recall the name) and they ADORED Chole. Its heartbreaking that the abuse Abby heaped on her destroyed that potential.
Like that time Nia and the other girls auditioned for some acting thing and Abby was trying to control Nia but she ended up doing a really good job and being liked. She sabotaged anyone that wasnt maddie.
Actually there was more than one time that Maddie and Chloe went for a major opportunity where Abby had no say to influence the outcome and Chloe won out over Maddie each time. Joffrey was one. I'm not minimizing Maddie's talent by any means, but had Chloe received the same level of attention and constant encouragement that Maddie received, I suspect she would have gone as far if not farther in dance. In fact, I wonder whether Chloe became a target because Abby was fearful of this. I remember that Abby was actually enraged when Chloe won the National over Maddie which is INSANE since both girls were on her team. None of this is Maddie's fault and in many ways she was traumatized by Abbey's abusive behavior toward her friends. That's why they aren't close today and she doesn't look back as that being a positive time despite being Abbey's favorite.
Those kids worked 60 hours a week?? How the hell did this slip through the cracks of child labor laws?? WTAF? It's enraging and unacceptable! If it was due to a loophole via contract, that needs to be fixed as of years ago. Absolutely despicable.
I think, they explained on Shiny Happy People (the documentary about the Duggar family and the IBLP cult), that reality tv is a "documentary", not fiction and therefore children arent seen as employed actors. Which is a shame and when I see, the alacrity with which Congress agreed to ban tiktok, I'm disgusted.
i genuinely believe nia was only allowed on the show to fit their diversity quota. seriously. there are children of color spattered along the seasons, mostly black children (idk about vivi) but nia is always consistent. its actually gross
@@DeepDiveProductions ur deep dives are always so informal and well researched, let alone entertaining. it doesn’t even matter if other ppl have covered it we would love to see what u guys have to say about it!
Karma doesn't exist. Bad things happen to good people. Bad things happen to bad people. Good things happen to bad people. And good things happen to good people. There is no cosmic justice. The sooner you come to terms with that, the better
@@Vasilia4 You are entitled to your opinion and Im entitled to mine. I am not going to go back-and-forth over it. Stay blessed and have a wonderful day.😊
@@clownshark_it’s due to the westernization and capitalism that karma and justice are now synonymous when they aren’t. So in its true essence Abby still has bad karma, along with many other bad people. (Edit: removal of ableist comment.)
*I'm glad there is some attention to how shady Melissa is. She always acted innocent and played the victim. But she was a real villain behind the scenes*
What makes it worst is she knew everything Christie talked about was true, but pushed the narrative that the moms were jealous, she made it easy for Abby to hurt those girls
dude thissssssssssss everyone was defending her after the reunion but people dont understand these women knew her on a personal level and melissa was always very meticulous about how her actions would be percieved so she'd just play victim so it looked like she was being attacked for no reason
Looking back, Bryan Stinson and Jeff Collins are fucking creepy. They looked at a group of girls in **those** costumes doing **that** choreography and thought "Let's make a TV show about dancers at this age and their moms and 'expose' the dance competition world for everyone in the world to see."
There’s a lot of creeps in the dance industry.There’s this one choreographer in LA specifically who specializes in sexual children choreography and is very popular. Makes lots of money, her videos of the girls always gains tons of attention on social media. No fucking coincidence.
I'm at the beginning and one of the original producers is making it *very clear* that he chose the moms through *the moms* applying and Abby *insisting* that, no, it was her and her website's info that got the moms on the show is another level of delulu 🤣 Also, her blaming him for destroying her business. It's like, no girl, you did that all on your own
Exactly, especially when in another video clip, Abby has said she would’ve never chose the OG girls because she didn’t think they were good enough dancers to be on the show. She said she would’ve chose girls with better legs and feet. On top of that she’s hated Christi for the longest, she would’ve never picked her if it was up to her.
It kind of did ruin it more tho, because when you film episodes all year, when will you teach in regular class? She had to spend most of the time with a couple of girls dumping the rest of the clients
I'm only in the contracts parts but this is horrible. They make them sign a 7 year contract and paying so little money when they were filming so many hours? Also imagine how horrible of a person can be knowing that Chloe was stuck with them so she make her life miserable, what a horrible human is Abby. She was horrible with the girls knowing all of them were stuck with her and they can't stop her.
Chloe was my favorite. It’s so sad that she abused Chloe just to spite her mother. Even back then it was obvious Abby took out her frustrations on Chloe and it wasn’t right. I think Christie did her best to protect Chloe. I hope Chloe thrives in life.
@@kirstensmith9367. Ha!! More like leave it on the dance floor and blame it on the kids with this show..😆 Seriously though, Abby’s a monstrous bully to children and she should be forbidden from teaching them, not paid for it.
Abby said in an interview that Maddie was the only one training at the studio day in and day out instead of going to school. And that it was literally hid from Mackenzie. So messed up.
@@Dancemoms208 It definitely has, and Melissa has said this herself. People do not care about these girls like you all think to be jealous of them lol It's about the actions of the (at the time since the girls have obviously grown up now) adults.
Idk how Abby miller managed to get passed the cancel culture unscathed, she’s like the roach that was here when the dinosaurs were here and is still here to see Covid today
@@brookeybaxter5942and a lot of the girls themselves still do Dance Mom events or videos or whatever have you. Everyone still benefits off of it. There’s no one directly involved who wants it canceled. I think the only one who’d have leverage would be Maddie
That’s how reality tv works. I think it’s because while everybody is trying to call her own, they’re still watching her show. Making her money and giving her exposure at the end of the day. We are all complicit in keeping her relevant whether we like it or not
I can’t believe Abby isn’t in jail for the rest of her life! She abused, and neglected children in her studio for years! Caused severe psychological trauma and distress that will follow them, maybe for the rest of their lives.
that type of abuse is never prosecuted lol the only abuse that's prosecuted is physical and neglect that falls under the umbrella of starvation or uncleanliness.
What sucks is that most sports for kids are like this. I was a wonderful ball player and my mother refused to kiss ass so I only played to score points then I was taken out. I use to beg my mom to kiss the coaches ass for me ): same with musical theater. All of it. It SHOULD be only based on talent but it’s not. It’s who’s parent gives the person in charge the most love. Not every parent CAN do that & the kids take the brunt of it all.. imagine punishing a child to punish to parent. And what’s worse is that even the kids who get the dances, the game, the solo…. They get bullied by other parents and other kids because their parent kissed ass. It’s such a cyclical thing in sports. Do better
100% it’s only the kids with parents that have a lot of money and suck up to coaches and directors and such that ever succeed. Especially in Texas, where some kids are given private lessons as soon as they can walk (depending on the sport/activity).
@sophaloph1129 im in oklahoma and past like elementary they wont let you on sports teams unless youve pretty much own all the equipment AND you're good at it/was in other sports
Totally agree with you! I was in a dance studio once and the things that used to happen were enough to film a new dance moms 😅😂 Kids were put into horrible situations that affected them terribly and parents were fighting with each other over their private life, how much money they would be making in their careers and the scores of dance competitions… One mom once bought half of the dance studio, and the kid was kicking the other kids out of the changing rooms saying it was hers as her mom bought it…My parents wouldn’t lick the teacher’ s ass so she would take it out on 12 year old me that was excluded from group dances, bullied and not given any attention or corrections to improve. She also had some contracts that made you stay with her studio until you completed the circle of exams that would take you a decade to get through.
Yes! I was a good bball player too and i could play pg or sg positions. The coaches at my hs will tell me to stop dribbling because you’re not going to do that in a game 🤔when i would practice. Huh? What do you mean I’m not gonna dribble in basketball? Why can’t i practice dribbling… because their favorites were the pg already. A lot of coaches screw people over because of their ego. They take a favorable talent and leech on so they can take glory of “player development” but the player was already developed before you. My jr and Sr year of HS were hell on the team because the new coach coerced girls to join because of me and my politeness in character. Meaning she used my good character to get girls to join because i was likable and then throw us to the waste to play her favorites. She screwed me out of a scholarship and her favorites got injured. Coaches that coach from ego do more harm than good.
I dont know if i feel worse for maddie for having all the pressure on her to be the best and constantly scared of disappointing abby or the rest of the girls for never being able to even compare to maddie in the eyes of abby and got belittled every episode, which in turn drove a clear wedge between them and maddie☹️ poor poor kids man😓
both are honestly just very shitty. I feel like this kinda shows in the interview where Chloe says that she would love to be friends with Maddie, but Melissa won't let it happen. The girls were constantly pitted against each other and it's so sad
Everyone talks about Chloe but no one brings up the actual "underdog"-Nia!! She was treated horribly on and off the show and was hardly ever getting dances. At least Chloe got dances! And at the reunion, everyone barely talked about Nia...
I get what you're saying, and Nia endured Abbys racism and abuse for longer than Chloe....Chloe leaving after 4 years and Nia staying for 7 years. I have a hard time trying to make one child's abuse worse than the other, however, as both were treated like dirt .
Agreed. She always counted Nia out and passed her over all the time unless the dance was “ethnic” or had a historical black figure as the lead role. Abby always treated Nia like the “token black girl” on her team. Always calling Nia mediocre or invisible, not doing enough to draw her attention to Nia in group dances. She was treated poorly.
That one mom (Ashley ?) defending the producers, saying they were "just doing their job" is letting them off the hook too easily imo. The show runners/ producers were always the ones in control & they created circumstances that made for entertaining tv, but also left these kids with lifelong issues.
Yes the producers couldn’t care less about what damaging effects this was having on the children, they made those children’s lives miserable but the mothers weren’t innocent either. When it comes to my children, you think that I’m going to sign a contract regarding their future, without first speaking to them and second going to a lawyer! If I did something that irresponsible and any of my children were spoken to and made to work and cry that much, they can all sue me and take me to prison because there’s nothing on earth worth allowing any children to be abused in this way.
The way the male producer was drooling over the pictures of the little girls was more than creepy af, especially what we know about the entertainment industry.
What she said about Camryn hurt my heart so much. I didn’t know she said that to her. Omg my heart hurts for her. You could tell that still bothered her.
i feel so bad for all of them but especially chloe! not only was she put against her best friend every single episode but even when she was clearly doing her best or was the clear winner that competition, she still hardly ever received credit. And im glad she had a mother so head strong and not afraid of abby especially at the end when abby made fun of a CHILD’S eye and christi said we’re done we don’t need this s*** anymore.
@@BBGIRL1812 yes and she did chloe was put on top when she won, was congratulated by abby,etc when she won even when she didn't e.g what about mother she was still on top even though she lost
It BAFFLES me that these women signed contracts without lawyers first looking over them. How could they be so naive and so careless with their children's time? Executives telling you "if you don't sign this you're not on the show" is their way of pressuring one into signing a contract that likely benefits them more than anymore. It's a HUGE red flag. Maybe had they been smart and got lawyers they wouldn't of ended up contractually obligated to keep their kids in such a toxic and abusive environment for years and years. Their choice was hasty, irresponsible and reckless.
Maddie went on Emrata’s podcast recently and talked about how she called her mom in the midst of a panic attack, to which her mother apologized for keeping her children in such an abusive situation. clearly the girls are still struggling with all the trauma they suffered.
This show is why my niece when goes to dance class, goes there alone. The parents aren’t allowed in the dancing room while the kids are practicing. You get them there, wait until they get in the class and then u leave. You’re allowed to come back when they have finished the lesson. Once a year you can go and see how they do the lessons, but only once a year. This way the kids are focusing on what they’re doing and if a parent has a problem, goes to the teacher and speak privately after the lesson.
Idk how so many people watched this show. Literally horrific treatment of children. Yalls videos are THE best!! So thorough and the editing is perfection 😻
My heart will always go out to Chloe. She was just as good as Maddie. Such a talented dancer but Abby just let her favoritism talk. The producers instigated a rivalry between two children and it ended up burning Chloe out and enabling Abby’s abuse towards her.
I remember in a video Abby said that the reason the other songs Kendall did why they were never released was that the record company who produced the songs stole them and ghosted her (allegedly)
Abby is the villain of this show, there's no argument there but the true root of the evil on this show was definitely the Producers. They all have no souls for the way they destroyed the childhoods of these girls.
I was disappointed by the Dance Moms reunion and the BS they tried selling us saying the moms were good at getting the girls out of the room when fights broke out. Like what?! No you didn't. I can recall multiple times when the moms were saying terrible things about one another and screaming at one another in front of their children while their kids sat there listening in tears. I was so confused by the narrative they were trying to push as if they went above and beyond to protect those kids in those moments. They didn't and we watched.
Thank you for explaining the contracts! I loved watching this show in college but was ALWAYS baffled as to why these people would stay season after season. It def makes sense now and ugh, it's really sad! Loving this series and can't wait for P3.
I'm sorry but there's no way I can excuse the parents that put their children through stuff like this thinking "stardom" will make their life. I just can't is not fair for the children..
I've been in a rabbit hole of watching all of your videos the last week or so (from years ago) and I never realised until this recent upload *and can't even believe* you aren't a multimillion subscribed to channel! Top quality videos for years!!!
I believe the parents hold the most fault. They failed their children by blindly signing contracts promising their children to these people without even properly reviewing them first. And they wonder why Abby was alway calling them mentally challenged 🤷🏼♀️🤦♀️they sold their kids for fame
Abby was awful but all the blame shouldn't be placed on her! Lifetime , Collin's Avenue, the producers, etc., should all be charged with abuse! I never watched shows like this b/c I can't stand them, including family vloggers/influencers! I also block ppl who constantly post their kids on social media! Let kids be kids and have lives w/o the judgement of the cameras! Life's hard enough w/o your life being put out there for the whole world to see and judge!!!!!!
These girls were verbally and emotionally abused by Abby. It was disgusting to hear her say that she just went for it knowing they couldn't quit. She's basically saying she abused them as much as possible because she knew they couldn't quit
Weird timing. I JUST discovered this show a couple nights ago and have been binge watching it since. I feel bad for liking it so much because Abby and the moms are SO toxic. These girls are so talented and I hope they emerged from that toxicity unscathed.
let’s be honest, even though she was the favourite maddie was also treated HORRIBLY maybe not always by abby but definitely the mothers imagine being 8 and having all the pressure of the team on your shoulders AND hearing all the mother’s speak badly about your mum, saying you don’t overly deserve to win even though she worked her butt off and losing friends because of the positions the adults in her life put her in not to mention but WHENEVER her friends won she always is beaming with happiness for them i’ve noticed she often looks embarrassed at pyramid and frankly quite sad because no one ever cheered for her how she and everyone else would cheer for others let’s not forget that her home life was falling apart and she was taking care of kenz at as young as 6 because their dad wouldn’t i will never not defend that maddie.
I’ve never even seen dance moms and I am enthralled by this series. You guys did such a good job! So much drama! Those poor kids. I can’t wait for part 3!
....my mum let me climb trees, make mud pies, and generally be a kid. I feel for these kids. edit: damn man, they're just little kids! Back the f off and give them a break 🤬
May I just say i am so excited when your channel post a vid and I look forward to watching anything you guys create as it is so entertaining and obsessed with the topics you go over. Love your work and keep it up!! 🩷
omg, I'm triggered by Abby... i'm about to trauma dump here. let's go. I used to have violin classes since when I was 8 to 13 years old. i had a teacher like her. it was something else... her constant outbursts, scolding, raising her voice, mood swings intertwined with praise... i couldn't bear it anymore and i started to riot: i skipped classes, turned off telephone line to stop her from calling my home number every day, ignoring and hiding from her around town. she was saying i have a huge potential to become a wonderful violinist. but i didn't need it... this situation ended with me and my mom coming to her office. she made herself a victim, made a scene, cried like a child, and blamed me for my stubbornness and not wanting to keep playing an instrument. my mom sided with her. I was broken. Please, don't make your child do something they don't want to do. And that's okay. there are plenty of this one could do. And don't let anyone disrespect your child and yourself.
I competitively danced for most of my childhood and I always went to Dance Xplosion and the host of the award ceremony told us all how Dance Moms had reached out to come but wanted them to rig it for them to win, to which they declined. They said they wanted to make sure their competition was legitimate and not let them (Dance Moms) ruin that. I was a huge fan of Dance Moms at the time and it was very eye opening for me that made me look at it sooo differently.
i don’t understand why anyone willingly put their kids on this show. abby was terrible but the parents who allowed their children to be subjected to this are far far worse.
Abby was hoping when she made Maddie and Mackenzie Stars that she would be along for the ride. When they left her studio she was devastated. She did not save her tears for the pillow as she tells these children. Fortunately the viewers got to witness some of this
I dont believe anything that comes outta Abbys mouth. Her saying that the show ruined her studio is complete B.S. if it wasn't for the show her studio would've only lasted a few more years if that. Abby was in so much debit. She couldnt keep her lights on or anything. Im pretty sure Melissa paid several different times her bills so the studio would stay open.
I feel so bad for all of those girls. They didn’t deserve the abuse from Abby. Children shouldn’t be reality TV, a lot of adults can’t even handle the pressure and attention. It must be so difficult for kids. I hope the dance moms girls are doing good now and aren’t being exploited for money :/
There’s so much obvious abuse that I don’t even want to spiral into that right now but I would love to talk about how one of the moms sent A CEASE AND DISIST ORDER to get the other moms to stop gossiping. I’m absolutely screaming. She really said “I’m sick of you nosey bitches” and she’s lowkey iconic for that
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Part 3 is even more unbelievable... stay tuned !!
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Anyone who says Abby isn't abusive needs to look no further than Chloe. "If I can't throw them out, they can't quit. So no matter what I say to them they can't quit. So I just go for it." That's horrifying
The people who say this are the same people who try to shame the girls for being "ungrateful" to Abby because of all the opportunities they've gotten. People just can't look at the bigger picture.
Abby obviously treated all the girls terribly, but when it came to Chloe it was like she was letting the darkest, most evil parts of her out. People see a grown woman having so much hatred for a young girl and don't see that as abusive? Even after admitting that she purposefully tried to sabotage her, "i never wanted Chloe to win, she won all the time"?? That's not being a tough teacher at all. What teacher preys on your failure and downfall?
I really hope those who still believe that she's just "tough" are kids who don't understand how bad that behaviour is yet, because any adult who thinks that behaviour is normal...yikes...i hope they don't have their own kids until they get that mentality sorted out.
Hearing her say that disgusted me to my core.
I don't understand how Kelly had her as a teacher and thought that was what her daughters needed to be subjected to as well ???
@@AngiO-f1s Well apparently she was never that bad until the fame, strict sure but then you also have to remember that Abby LOVED Brooke before Dance Moms like Brooke was the Maddie of the studio
Poor Chloe
"I'm still a person."
The fact that that little sweet girl even had to say that makes me angry.
I hate how Abby thinks these girls would be nothing without her. Woman, you'd be nothing without these girls!! I mean who were the ones dancing????
This! That’s why s8 flopped hard. This is no shade to the dancers in that season, but what made the OGs special was their chemistry. They’ve been dancing together since they were little and they all had a close bond.
Right and like the producers didn’t even want Abby at first so the children made her who she is
I fact, they wouldn't be anybody without Abby, her boyfriend and her started with the idea of the show and Abby was known for making stars, she's really a talented person so the girls are, but maybe if their teacher were Katty it wouldn't be the same thing, just spitting facts
Without Abby and her studio, do you really think these girls would have the platform that they do now? Seriously really think about that.
Abby has like 40 of her students on broadway
*27:54* "Go. Stop crying. Stop acting like this." Ma'am, your 8 year old _little_ girl is in distress and needs love, comfort, and support. Instead, you're too worried about the status of your child in an evil show designed to exploit and abuse children. These people make me sick.
Watching this part made me want to cry myself. She was just a baby!
It's sadder when you think about the fact that maddie did an interview about that situation and she said she was crying because she hadn't eaten lunch at school that day and was hungry
The fact she called those girls fat considering how large she is is crazy!
Yes like whaattt
IKR!
That's because she isn't trying to become a professional dancer...... It's way worse then this in the real dance world.....
fr she's x5 the size of the kids she teaches
It’s such crap they could’ve left if they wanted any contract can be broken and then what? What is the repercussions of a broken contract they can go ask them after them for damages you know but you can’t cite damages I mean in a situation like this I’m sure because it’s putting the kids first putting their health first and the judges would see that and so it was just all just you know the moms were just stage moms and they didn’t wanna leaveKelly left and season four. What happened to her? Did anything happen to her Kelly left and season four what happened to her Kelly left and season four what happened to her? I mean so your spouting out they weren’t allowed to leave is such crap.
Chole had the talent to become an amazing professional dancer. I remember the episode where Chole and Maddy auditioned for that NYC ballet company (can't recall the name) and they ADORED Chole.
Its heartbreaking that the abuse Abby heaped on her destroyed that potential.
It was Something "Joffrey."
Joffrey Ballet school ❤
"Waiting on Joffrey" maybe? I'm familiar with ballet, but can'r recall the episode tite.
Like that time Nia and the other girls auditioned for some acting thing and Abby was trying to control Nia but she ended up doing a really good job and being liked. She sabotaged anyone that wasnt maddie.
Actually there was more than one time that Maddie and Chloe went for a major opportunity where Abby had no say to influence the outcome and Chloe won out over Maddie each time. Joffrey was one. I'm not minimizing Maddie's talent by any means, but had Chloe received the same level of attention and constant encouragement that Maddie received, I suspect she would have gone as far if not farther in dance. In fact, I wonder whether Chloe became a target because Abby was fearful of this. I remember that Abby was actually enraged when Chloe won the National over Maddie which is INSANE since both girls were on her team. None of this is Maddie's fault and in many ways she was traumatized by Abbey's abusive behavior toward her friends. That's why they aren't close today and she doesn't look back as that being a positive time despite being Abbey's favorite.
Those kids worked 60 hours a week?? How the hell did this slip through the cracks of child labor laws?? WTAF? It's enraging and unacceptable! If it was due to a loophole via contract, that needs to be fixed as of years ago. Absolutely despicable.
That is like slavery.
I don't even work more then 40 hours in my late 20s.
I think, they explained on Shiny Happy People (the documentary about the Duggar family and the IBLP cult), that reality tv is a "documentary", not fiction and therefore children arent seen as employed actors. Which is a shame and when I see, the alacrity with which Congress agreed to ban tiktok, I'm disgusted.
I blame the mothers
Why is no parents protecting them
@@missbelle_elleMoney.
I still will never get over the racsim nia endured
It was the “laquifa” dance number in an animal print for me like wtf
The time abby call nia's braids "worms" at the 3rd episode of season 1, should had gotten the show canceled.
Honestly disgusting
i genuinely believe nia was only allowed on the show to fit their diversity quota. seriously. there are children of color spattered along the seasons, mostly black children (idk about vivi) but nia is always consistent. its actually gross
I was looking for this comment let's just be real, the whole show was racist
I need an Americas Next Top Model video essay from yall
omggg this would eat
I feel like there are just SOOO many already out there ! Id love to do It some day, especially if people would want to see it !!
@@DeepDiveProductions ur deep dives are always so informal and well researched, let alone entertaining. it doesn’t even matter if other ppl have covered it we would love to see what u guys have to say about it!
@DeepDiveProductions A personal opinion is what seperates one video from another and makes it compelling.
Please do.
I believe Abby not being able to walk anymore is her karma for the way she treated those poor girls and everyone else so horribly around her
Karma doesn't exist. Bad things happen to good people. Bad things happen to bad people. Good things happen to bad people. And good things happen to good people. There is no cosmic justice. The sooner you come to terms with that, the better
I'm guessing you didn't read ' I believe'. It's THEIR opinion.
@@Vasilia4 You are entitled to your opinion and Im entitled to mine. I am not going to go back-and-forth over it. Stay blessed and have a wonderful day.😊
its kind of disheartening when you realize there is no such thing as a karmic force and kind of freeing
@@clownshark_it’s due to the westernization and capitalism that karma and justice are now synonymous when they aren’t. So in its true essence Abby still has bad karma, along with many other bad people.
(Edit: removal of ableist comment.)
*I'm glad there is some attention to how shady Melissa is. She always acted innocent and played the victim. But she was a real villain behind the scenes*
All anyone needs to watch && remember is Melissa in episode 1. Her TRUE colors!! "My boyfriend signs the checks *evil giggle*" 🙄🤦🏽♀️
I knew she was fake and sneaky but I had no clue she took away privates from others and stole money
What makes it worst is she knew everything Christie talked about was true, but pushed the narrative that the moms were jealous, she made it easy for Abby to hurt those girls
Melissa's Q&As on her channel are so weird too. Something is off almost. She also never answers any real questions
dude thissssssssssss everyone was defending her after the reunion but people dont understand these women knew her on a personal level and melissa was always very meticulous about how her actions would be percieved so she'd just play victim so it looked like she was being attacked for no reason
Looking back, Bryan Stinson and Jeff Collins are fucking creepy. They looked at a group of girls in **those** costumes doing **that** choreography and thought "Let's make a TV show about dancers at this age and their moms and 'expose' the dance competition world for everyone in the world to see."
There’s a lot of creeps in the dance industry.There’s this one choreographer in LA specifically who specializes in sexual children choreography and is very popular. Makes lots of money, her videos of the girls always gains tons of attention on social media. No fucking coincidence.
right and the podcast interview ? weird. abby has said she likes high school football players....
@@bariatric-parasite found this right after that segment, so gd weird, made me uncomfortable.
I thought I was the only one side eyeing them. The way he described the girls and why he wanted to start the show was very weird
Talking about how they had the perfect faces. So creepy.
I'm at the beginning and one of the original producers is making it *very clear* that he chose the moms through *the moms* applying and Abby *insisting* that, no, it was her and her website's info that got the moms on the show is another level of delulu 🤣
Also, her blaming him for destroying her business. It's like, no girl, you did that all on your own
Lol and her business was pretty much nearly gone even before the show, it was Melissa's husband who saved it after Abby went bankrupt.
Exactly, especially when in another video clip, Abby has said she would’ve never chose the OG girls because she didn’t think they were good enough dancers to be on the show. She said she would’ve chose girls with better legs and feet. On top of that she’s hated Christi for the longest, she would’ve never picked her if it was up to her.
@@Shiann444 but she didnt say it was up to her but rather that procucers knew their emails etc via her website
It kind of did ruin it more tho, because when you film episodes all year, when will you teach in regular class? She had to spend most of the time with a couple of girls dumping the rest of the clients
The moms sold their kids for fame
I just feel so badly for these young girls. I hope they receive the compassion and heal from this nightmare. No child deserves this kind of treatment.
the oldest is now 25years old
I'm only in the contracts parts but this is horrible. They make them sign a 7 year contract and paying so little money when they were filming so many hours? Also imagine how horrible of a person can be knowing that Chloe was stuck with them so she make her life miserable, what a horrible human is Abby. She was horrible with the girls knowing all of them were stuck with her and they can't stop her.
For some kids the contracts were longer than they had lived so far, which is just the worst thing about it if it wasnt bad already!
Chloe was my favorite. It’s so sad that she abused Chloe just to spite her mother. Even back then it was obvious Abby took out her frustrations on Chloe and it wasn’t right. I think Christie did her best to protect Chloe. I hope Chloe thrives in life.
Love this happened like 10-11 years ago ofc she has
The saddest part was finding out Christie danced for Abby… It begs the question did she turn up for the cameras 🤔
The editing on this is insanely good. Graphic design is definitely someone's passion. Lol
when this aired live i remember i used to say "livid" instead of "livin on the dance floor" with the theme song, it just felt more fitting lol
The song actually says LEAVE it on the dance floor 😭
I thought it was "blame it on the dance floor" hahahah
@@kirstensmith9367. Ha!!
More like leave it on the dance floor and blame it on the kids with this show..😆
Seriously though, Abby’s a monstrous bully to children and she should be forbidden from teaching them, not paid for it.
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I always said lemon because it sounded like lemon and I thought it was funny
The audacity of Abby Lee Miller to call anyone else fat...
Abby said in an interview that Maddie was the only one training at the studio day in and day out instead of going to school. And that it was literally hid from Mackenzie. So messed up.
Yeah and all those years Christie was saying it they made her seem jealous, Abby's only saying it because the Zieglers don't talk to her
@@chichi3183no yaol just wanna believe anything bad about the zieglers nothing has been proven but yall aren't ready for that convo
@@Dancemoms208 It definitely has, and Melissa has said this herself. People do not care about these girls like you all think to be jealous of them lol It's about the actions of the (at the time since the girls have obviously grown up now) adults.
Imagine thinking that dance is more important than your kid learning to read and write 💀
@@brittneyowens1307 it's literally not true, mellisa herself responded to abby saying it wasn't true
I remember when she had zero sympathy for Nia when she was in a wheelchair so it's hard to sympathize for Abby
Idk how Abby miller managed to get passed the cancel culture unscathed, she’s like the roach that was here when the dinosaurs were here and is still here to see Covid today
You can only cancel someone if they allow it.
I think because it was too entertaining to look away and sadly everyone was entertained too much to cancel it completely.
@@brookeybaxter5942and a lot of the girls themselves still do Dance Mom events or videos or whatever have you. Everyone still benefits off of it. There’s no one directly involved who wants it canceled. I think the only one who’d have leverage would be Maddie
It's because of people like Melissa, Jojo and other Abby praisers, they painted Abby as a good person, and made people like Christie look crazy
That’s how reality tv works. I think it’s because while everybody is trying to call her own, they’re still watching her show. Making her money and giving her exposure at the end of the day. We are all complicit in keeping her relevant whether we like it or not
I can’t believe Abby isn’t in jail for the rest of her life! She abused, and neglected children in her studio for years! Caused severe psychological trauma and distress that will follow them, maybe for the rest of their lives.
It's because the parents wanted and allowed it.
@@pinkimietz3243 the parents were locked in extremely tight and long contracts as well. They couldn’t leave.
that type of abuse is never prosecuted lol the only abuse that's prosecuted is physical and neglect that falls under the umbrella of starvation or uncleanliness.
@@edj2045 I know, and that’s what’s infuriating. Neglect is neglect and these girls were mentally neglected 😞😞😞
200th like I also agree ❤😊
What sucks is that most sports for kids are like this. I was a wonderful ball player and my mother refused to kiss ass so I only played to score points then I was taken out. I use to beg my mom to kiss the coaches ass for me ): same with musical theater. All of it. It SHOULD be only based on talent but it’s not. It’s who’s parent gives the person in charge the most love. Not every parent CAN do that & the kids take the brunt of it all.. imagine punishing a child to punish to parent. And what’s worse is that even the kids who get the dances, the game, the solo…. They get bullied by other parents and other kids because their parent kissed ass. It’s such a cyclical thing in sports. Do better
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it’s only the kids with parents that have a lot of money and suck up to coaches and directors and such that ever succeed. Especially in Texas, where some kids are given private lessons as soon as they can walk (depending on the sport/activity).
@sophaloph1129 im in oklahoma and past like elementary they wont let you on sports teams unless youve pretty much own all the equipment AND you're good at it/was in other sports
Totally agree with you! I was in a dance studio once and the things that used to happen were enough to film a new dance moms 😅😂 Kids were put into horrible situations that affected them terribly and parents were fighting with each other over their private life, how much money they would be making in their careers and the scores of dance competitions… One mom once bought half of the dance studio, and the kid was kicking the other kids out of the changing rooms saying it was hers as her mom bought it…My parents wouldn’t lick the teacher’ s ass so she would take it out on 12 year old me that was excluded from group dances, bullied and not given any attention or corrections to improve. She also had some contracts that made you stay with her studio until you completed the circle of exams that would take you a decade to get through.
Yes! I was a good bball player too and i could play pg or sg positions. The coaches at my hs will tell me to stop dribbling because you’re not going to do that in a game 🤔when i would practice. Huh? What do you mean I’m not gonna dribble in basketball? Why can’t i practice dribbling… because their favorites were the pg already. A lot of coaches screw people over because of their ego. They take a favorable talent and leech on so they can take glory of “player development” but the player was already developed before you. My jr and Sr year of HS were hell on the team because the new coach coerced girls to join because of me and my politeness in character. Meaning she used my good character to get girls to join because i was likable and then throw us to the waste to play her favorites. She screwed me out of a scholarship and her favorites got injured. Coaches that coach from ego do more harm than good.
I dont know if i feel worse for maddie for having all the pressure on her to be the best and constantly scared of disappointing abby or the rest of the girls for never being able to even compare to maddie in the eyes of abby and got belittled every episode, which in turn drove a clear wedge between them and maddie☹️ poor poor kids man😓
both are honestly just very shitty. I feel like this kinda shows in the interview where Chloe says that she would love to be friends with Maddie, but Melissa won't let it happen. The girls were constantly pitted against each other and it's so sad
Everyone talks about Chloe but no one brings up the actual "underdog"-Nia!! She was treated horribly on and off the show and was hardly ever getting dances. At least Chloe got dances! And at the reunion, everyone barely talked about Nia...
I get what you're saying, and Nia endured Abbys racism and abuse for longer than Chloe....Chloe leaving after 4 years and Nia staying for 7 years. I have a hard time trying to make one child's abuse worse than the other, however, as both were treated like dirt .
It looks like Abby treated everyone equally crappy, so why would she be any different to Nia?
@@enolamsamohtbecause of her race unfortunately
@@enolamsamohtumm have you watched the show? She always had something against nia or her hair 🙄
Agreed. She always counted Nia out and passed her over all the time unless the dance was “ethnic” or had a historical black figure as the lead role. Abby always treated Nia like the “token black girl” on her team. Always calling Nia mediocre or invisible, not doing enough to draw her attention to Nia in group dances. She was treated poorly.
That one mom (Ashley ?) defending the producers, saying they were "just doing their job" is letting them off the hook too easily imo.
The show runners/ producers were always the ones in control & they created circumstances that made for entertaining tv, but also left these kids with lifelong issues.
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Yes the producers couldn’t care less about what damaging effects this was having on the children, they made those children’s lives miserable but the mothers weren’t innocent either. When it comes to my children, you think that I’m going to sign a contract regarding their future, without first speaking to them and second going to a lawyer! If I did something that irresponsible and any of my children were spoken to and made to work and cry that much, they can all sue me and take me to prison because there’s nothing on earth worth allowing any children to be abused in this way.
The way the male producer was drooling over the pictures of the little girls was more than creepy af, especially what we know about the entertainment industry.
What she said about Camryn hurt my heart so much. I didn’t know she said that to her. Omg my heart hurts for her. You could tell that still bothered her.
the production quality of your videos is so so good. the effort shows. love the channel
Thank you so much 🥹💜
i feel so bad for all of them but especially chloe! not only was she put against her best friend every single episode but even when she was clearly doing her best or was the clear winner that competition, she still hardly ever received credit. And im glad she had a mother so head strong and not afraid of abby especially at the end when abby made fun of a CHILD’S eye and christi said we’re done we don’t need this s*** anymore.
She was never the clear winner except for when she won
@@Dancemoms208 well yes and she still hardly got credit when she did soooo?
@@BBGIRL1812 she did get credit especially by the fand
@@Dancemoms208 we’re talking about abby hello are you okay??
@@BBGIRL1812 yes and she did chloe was put on top when she won, was congratulated by abby,etc when she won even when she didn't e.g what about mother she was still on top even though she lost
How are you guys not at a million subscribers yet?!!! You definitely deserve it!!
Thank you so much 🥹💜
That rendition of "I Need a Doctor," at the beginning was just perfection
Tysm that song always gives me chills
Such a toxic and stressful environment to be in.. especially for children.
It BAFFLES me that these women signed contracts without lawyers first looking over them. How could they be so naive and so careless with their children's time? Executives telling you "if you don't sign this you're not on the show" is their way of pressuring one into signing a contract that likely benefits them more than anymore. It's a HUGE red flag. Maybe had they been smart and got lawyers they wouldn't of ended up contractually obligated to keep their kids in such a toxic and abusive environment for years and years. Their choice was hasty, irresponsible and reckless.
I NEVER CLICKED ON A VIDEO SO FAST 😂😂😂😂. And I was watching dance moms herselfff
That’s like the MOST epic dance moms intro ever
Thank you🥹💜🙏
As a Mom, I’m not sure I could let my child go through this. I would quit and have my child take 6 years off…this is way beyond crossing the line.
Maddie went on Emrata’s podcast recently and talked about how she called her mom in the midst of a panic attack, to which her mother apologized for keeping her children in such an abusive situation. clearly the girls are still struggling with all the trauma they suffered.
@@crab2195 this is so sad💔 I know it’s easier said than done, but sometimes it’s clear what needs to happen
This show is why my niece when goes to dance class, goes there alone. The parents aren’t allowed in the dancing room while the kids are practicing. You get them there, wait until they get in the class and then u leave. You’re allowed to come back when they have finished the lesson. Once a year you can go and see how they do the lessons, but only once a year. This way the kids are focusing on what they’re doing and if a parent has a problem, goes to the teacher and speak privately after the lesson.
finally!!! i purposefully didnt watch part 1 until part 2 was here because I am impatient so now I got my evening planned :)
Get the snacks it’s almost 2 hours between them ✨💜
Idk how so many people watched this show. Literally horrific treatment of children. Yalls videos are THE best!! So thorough and the editing is perfection 😻
I've literally never seen this show and I am so, so engrossed by this.
Thank you💜💜
My heart will always go out to Chloe. She was just as good as Maddie. Such a talented dancer but Abby just let her favoritism talk. The producers instigated a rivalry between two children and it ended up burning Chloe out and enabling Abby’s abuse towards her.
I remember in a video Abby said that the reason the other songs Kendall did why they were never released was that the record company who produced the songs stole them and ghosted her (allegedly)
Chloe was such a beautiful dancer, I always loved her numbers the most
You should do a documentary on Colleen Ballinger and her awful behaviour
But, but, but, 🎶she's not a groomer, just a loser🎶🤣🤣
Amen and her best friend Todrick Hall!
If you want a deep dive while waiting i recommend you look up “Swoop”.
She has an incredible well researched in-depth docu-series on Colleen.
@@candacesalim9659 wait todrick hall is bad news too?
Please no.
Melissa is soooo shady and I really don’t like her. Can’t wait for part 3.
Abby is the villain of this show, there's no argument there but the true root of the evil on this show was definitely the Producers. They all have no souls for the way they destroyed the childhoods of these girls.
Been looking forward to this massively. Will be watching it straight after I am done helping someone in their huge live TikTok battle.
A contract versus SEVEN years is INSANE! I feel so bad for the kids! Lifetime is trash! So is TLC!
I was disappointed by the Dance Moms reunion and the BS they tried selling us saying the moms were good at getting the girls out of the room when fights broke out. Like what?! No you didn't. I can recall multiple times when the moms were saying terrible things about one another and screaming at one another in front of their children while their kids sat there listening in tears. I was so confused by the narrative they were trying to push as if they went above and beyond to protect those kids in those moments. They didn't and we watched.
Thank you for explaining the contracts! I loved watching this show in college but was ALWAYS baffled as to why these people would stay season after season. It def makes sense now and ugh, it's really sad! Loving this series and can't wait for P3.
Deep Dive intros are always so iconic
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The Selena edit was everything💅 0:49
Even though Chloe didn’t get EVERYTHING that Maddie did, she STILL managed to come in first!!
I'm sorry but there's no way I can excuse the parents that put their children through stuff like this thinking "stardom" will make their life. I just can't is not fair for the children..
yall truly eat these videos up… I love the deep dives and now a deep dive on my favorite show!!! Crying from happiness
Abby has a lot of nerve calling the children fat when she looked the way she looked then and still to this day
I've been in a rabbit hole of watching all of your videos the last week or so (from years ago) and I never realised until this recent upload *and can't even believe* you aren't a multimillion subscribed to channel! Top quality videos for years!!!
Ahhh this is such a compliment. Thank you so so much 🥹✨
I believe the parents hold the most fault. They failed their children by blindly signing contracts promising their children to these people without even properly reviewing them first. And they wonder why Abby was alway calling them mentally challenged 🤷🏼♀️🤦♀️they sold their kids for fame
This is all the parents' fault they're the ones that let things happen
Yes! Part 1 was phenomenal 👏🏾
It's not the anger of the people on camera that brews drama. It's the producers who do that like a puppeteer to a puppet.
Abby was awful but all the blame shouldn't be placed on her! Lifetime , Collin's Avenue, the producers, etc., should all be charged with abuse! I never watched shows like this b/c I can't stand them, including family vloggers/influencers! I also block ppl who constantly post their kids on social media! Let kids be kids and have lives w/o the judgement of the cameras! Life's hard enough w/o your life being put out there for the whole world to see and judge!!!!!!
Imagine not being able to QUIT
The fact Abby kept on picking on Chloe knowing they had a contact Abby couldn’t kick her out instead kept on picking on her
It’s not cool to body shame but the mom that keeps calling her fat is HILARIOUS
These girls were verbally and emotionally abused by Abby. It was disgusting to hear her say that she just went for it knowing they couldn't quit. She's basically saying she abused them as much as possible because she knew they couldn't quit
u guys make absolutely gorgeous docs like genuinely they could air u on hbo
this channel deserves millions of subscribers because it’s original and im in love with the editor ❤❤❤
Weird timing. I JUST discovered this show a couple nights ago and have been binge watching it since. I feel bad for liking it so much because Abby and the moms are SO toxic. These girls are so talented and I hope they emerged from that toxicity unscathed.
When you feel bad about liking something it's called a "guilty pleasure" and i think Dance Moms is a guilty pleasure for a lot of us. 😂
It’s very interesting because all of the moms came off extremely toxic to me as well
Wait until seasons 5-7!!
I hope these girls auditioned for Nickelodeon, Disney, Cartoon Network or PBS Kids
The moms are just as guilty as Lifetime and Abby for letting their daughters be exploited and abused.
let’s be honest, even though she was the favourite maddie was also treated HORRIBLY maybe not always by abby but definitely the mothers
imagine being 8 and having all the pressure of the team on your shoulders AND hearing all the mother’s speak badly about your mum, saying you don’t overly deserve to win even though she worked her butt off and losing friends because of the positions the adults in her life put her in
not to mention but WHENEVER her friends won she always is beaming with happiness for them
i’ve noticed she often looks embarrassed at pyramid and frankly quite sad because no one ever cheered for her how she and everyone else would cheer for others
let’s not forget that her home life was falling apart and she was taking care of kenz at as young as 6 because their dad wouldn’t
i will never not defend that maddie.
Whoever did this editing here are your 💐!! The best intro I’ve literally ever seen!
Omg tysm!!
I’ve never even seen dance moms and I am enthralled by this series. You guys did such a good job! So much drama! Those poor kids.
I can’t wait for part 3!
When we getting part 3!? Gasping!
A full hour 😭 you are so generous!
Editing is outrageous, good job yall
Thank you ☺️ ✨
The production company and the TV network need to be brought up on childhood endangerment charges.
Your intros never fail to deliver
....my mum let me climb trees, make mud pies, and generally be a kid. I feel for these kids. edit: damn man, they're just little kids! Back the f off and give them a break 🤬
Only in the first minute and this editing ate 💯
melissa should apologize to maddie and kenzie ngl
May I just say i am so excited when your channel post a vid and I look forward to watching anything you guys create as it is so entertaining and obsessed with the topics you go over. Love your work and keep it up!! 🩷
From the editing to the commentary, this video and this entire series is ABSOLUTE GOLD! New subscriber & fan here
omg, I'm triggered by Abby... i'm about to trauma dump here. let's go. I used to have violin classes since when I was 8 to 13 years old. i had a teacher like her. it was something else... her constant outbursts, scolding, raising her voice, mood swings intertwined with praise... i couldn't bear it anymore and i started to riot: i skipped classes, turned off telephone line to stop her from calling my home number every day, ignoring and hiding from her around town. she was saying i have a huge potential to become a wonderful violinist. but i didn't need it... this situation ended with me and my mom coming to her office. she made herself a victim, made a scene, cried like a child, and blamed me for my stubbornness and not wanting to keep playing an instrument. my mom sided with her. I was broken. Please, don't make your child do something they don't want to do. And that's okay. there are plenty of this one could do. And don't let anyone disrespect your child and yourself.
I'm sorry you have to call the police on your teacher
I competitively danced for most of my childhood and I always went to Dance Xplosion and the host of the award ceremony told us all how Dance Moms had reached out to come but wanted them to rig it for them to win, to which they declined. They said they wanted to make sure their competition was legitimate and not let them (Dance Moms) ruin that.
I was a huge fan of Dance Moms at the time and it was very eye opening for me that made me look at it sooo differently.
OMG yassss!!! Been WAITING for part 2!! Continuously been updating youtube to see if it posted, since a week (to the hour) after part 1. 😂😂😂
i don’t understand why anyone willingly put their kids on this show. abby was terrible but the parents who allowed their children to be subjected to this are far far worse.
Can we take a moment to appreciate the editing on this video?!? Top notch work
It sounded like the AHS intro at first 💀 that would be fitting
This opening is everything
literally pausing to say - your intros & edits are SO GOODDD
OMFG tysm legend !!
Abby was hoping when she made Maddie and Mackenzie Stars that she would be along for the ride. When they left her studio she was devastated. She did not save her tears for the pillow as she tells these children. Fortunately the viewers got to witness some of this
I dont believe anything that comes outta Abbys mouth. Her saying that the show ruined her studio is complete B.S. if it wasn't for the show her studio would've only lasted a few more years if that. Abby was in so much debit. She couldnt keep her lights on or anything. Im pretty sure Melissa paid several different times her bills so the studio would stay open.
I feel so bad for all of those girls. They didn’t deserve the abuse from Abby. Children shouldn’t be reality TV, a lot of adults can’t even handle the pressure and attention. It must be so difficult for kids. I hope the dance moms girls are doing good now and aren’t being exploited for money :/
Yeah me too
There’s so much obvious abuse that I don’t even want to spiral into that right now but I would love to talk about how one of the moms sent A CEASE AND DISIST ORDER to get the other moms to stop gossiping. I’m absolutely screaming. She really said “I’m sick of you nosey bitches” and she’s lowkey iconic for that
Melissa dissing Chloe for no reason what a snake that’s a kid your child’s friend wtf 28:58
this was soooo good omg. looking forward to pt 3 !
The blantant favouritism for Maddie was painful to watch. I felt so sorry for the other girls. I particularly felt bad for Chloe.
Yeah I agree 😢