I once met a gentleman on a ride out who was in Tom Simpsons team. He raced in the TDF twice, unfortunately didn’t finish. I asked him about doping, he said at that time the drug of choice was amphetamine. We cycled 50 miles together that day, he was 72 and training for a race in Belgium. It’s over 10 years ago now, I found out he passed away at 82, prostate cancer took him.
In correlation, the industrial revolution was a time of unbelievable progress with masters of trades and sciences. It was also a time of very little limit or regulation on 'uppers' or stimulants. I wonder how many people used these drugs back in the day and if these drugs account for any of the output during those times.
There was no regulation of opiates before 1850 so the numbers using it are unknown but it was known to reduce productivity due to people spending their days consuming opium not working. People died young in those days. When the Chinese tried to regulate it, the attempt contributed to starting the Opium Wars. Uppers were used by some soldiers during WWII to cope and to keep going. As far as I can tell there appears to always be a price to pay even without regulation, either by the individual or the society in general. Thank you for the question.
@@billbarendse1918 lugged steel frames could be bonded with resin for many decades now. And batteries put in tubes, that didn't get hot from welding. Dremel made a commercial electric eraser in 1932. A dremel tool, reconfigured in dc, could easily form a hub or bottom bracket motor. I have no doubt motors have won every grand tour for the last sixty years. They had control of all tv cameras. They controlled the feed.
I have to get cracking on that. I actually thought no one was interested and then in the last 3 weeks it got 10,000 views so the follow up is definitely on the cards. Cheers.
Pro cycling is one of the dirtiest sports around. I'm not sure pro cycling is much cleaner today than when the master doper of all time Lance Armstrong was racing. I just assume most pro cyclists are juiced to the gill. End of story.
Mostly accurate, thank you No, where you say “a rider can only dope w active support of team” Opposite is true: riders who dope now can only do so w o involvement of team. B c of us postal. B c of festina. Can’t involve team. Doper must be secret now, w o telling team. Individual dopers now, team Doping rare now
thank you for your comment and that you watched so much of the video. I think you're right. But I think the point I hoped I was making was two fold, that teams are under strong pressure to prevent doping, and that blood doping using blood transfusions usually needs the team to be involved. So I think that sort of blood doping is rare but not mentioning names there was a scandal a few years ago involving cyclists and skiers that did not involve teams. But there are clearly medications that can improve oxygen carrying capacity of the blood that were designed for sick people, and some of these improve athletic performance and might not even be on a banned list or even detectable, and an athlete that dopes could do so without the team being involved or even with their knowledge. Cheers.
@@billbarendse1918 to me, Armstrong means Doping down some in cycling. Team sponsored doping down a lot Riders now must dope individually Such long history of doping, from day one in our sport, means to me individuals are Doping still. Who? Unknown? Where? Unknown. How? Largely known (micro dose and blood transfusions)
@@billbarendse1918 can’t dope team wide. Eye witnesses felled Armstrong. Doping now by microdosing and by blood transfusions. Lets hope wva, mvp, pogacar, roglic are clean
@@paulsolon6229 this is where we look at their records as juniors, and wva, mvdp and the pog have stellar records as kids. This should give some comfort. Roglic and Evenepoel came from different sports so they don't have a junior record.
@@billbarendse1918 correct, it does give some comfort. But not much. Armstrong had tremendous record as a kid in triathlon eg Ullrich had great record as an teenage rider. Two top managers o. Pogacar uae team have decades long history of Doping-were managers of r ricco, of i basso, of m pantani
Thank you for your words of encouragement. Actually I had no idea this little experiment in intonation and production would turn out to be so popular. Cheers :)
@SlaveLaboringKid that's a pity. I tried to make it as interesting as possible and then as an experiment I read it in the voice I used to put my kids to sleep. They usually lasted 5 minutes. So for the first 192 days it got 214 views and in the last three weeks it got more than 10,000 views. Don't ask me why I have no idea.
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No bells or whistles.
Just really informative.
Keep it up 👍🏻
Thanks for your kind words
I once met a gentleman on a ride out who was in Tom Simpsons team. He raced in the TDF twice, unfortunately didn’t finish. I asked him about doping, he said at that time the drug of choice was amphetamine. We cycled 50 miles together that day, he was 72 and training for a race in Belgium. It’s over 10 years ago now, I found out he passed away at 82, prostate cancer took him.
that is wonderful, thanks for sharing your encounter. Cheers.
great video
In correlation, the industrial revolution was a time of unbelievable progress with masters of trades and sciences. It was also a time of very little limit or regulation on 'uppers' or stimulants. I wonder how many people used these drugs back in the day and if these drugs account for any of the output during those times.
There was no regulation of opiates before 1850 so the numbers using it are unknown but it was known to reduce productivity due to people spending their days consuming opium not working. People died young in those days. When the Chinese tried to regulate it, the attempt contributed to starting the Opium Wars. Uppers were used by some soldiers during WWII to cope and to keep going. As far as I can tell there appears to always be a price to pay even without regulation, either by the individual or the society in general. Thank you for the question.
@@billbarendse1918 lugged steel frames could be bonded with resin for many decades now. And batteries put in tubes, that didn't get hot from welding. Dremel made a commercial electric eraser in 1932. A dremel tool, reconfigured in dc, could easily form a hub or bottom bracket motor. I have no doubt motors have won every grand tour for the last sixty years. They had control of all tv cameras. They controlled the feed.
@@sasquatchrosefarts lol good work
@@billbarendse1918 I don't believe pharma doping works and many studies show no improvement or decreases. But motor doping works.
where's the 2nd vid????
I'm working on it boss, working on it.
Any chance of the follow-up on limits to human performance in cycling? That is always an interesting topic with many different viewpoints.
I have to get cracking on that. I actually thought no one was interested and then in the last 3 weeks it got 10,000 views so the follow up is definitely on the cards. Cheers.
I am not generally in favor of doping, but the narrator would certainly benefit from an aggressive amphetamine regimen.
Lol hopefully next video I'll turn the gain up on the sound instead :)
Pro cycling is one of the dirtiest sports around. I'm not sure pro cycling is much cleaner today than when the master doper of all time Lance Armstrong was racing. I just assume most pro cyclists are juiced to the gill. End of story.
I thing cyclists shoud be tested during the stage!
1.5 speed all.
Mostly accurate, thank you
No, where you say “a rider can only dope w active support of team”
Opposite is true: riders who dope now can only do so w o involvement of team. B c of us postal. B c of festina.
Can’t involve team. Doper must be secret now, w o telling team. Individual dopers now, team Doping rare now
thank you for your comment and that you watched so much of the video. I think you're right. But I think the point I hoped I was making was two fold, that teams are under strong pressure to prevent doping, and that blood doping using blood transfusions usually needs the team to be involved. So I think that sort of blood doping is rare but not mentioning names there was a scandal a few years ago involving cyclists and skiers that did not involve teams.
But there are clearly medications that can improve oxygen carrying capacity of the blood that were designed for sick people, and some of these improve athletic performance and might not even be on a banned list or even detectable, and an athlete that dopes could do so without the team being involved or even with their knowledge. Cheers.
@@billbarendse1918 to me, Armstrong means Doping down some in cycling.
Team sponsored doping down a lot
Riders now must dope individually
Such long history of doping, from day one in our sport, means to me individuals are Doping still. Who? Unknown? Where? Unknown. How? Largely known (micro dose and blood transfusions)
@@billbarendse1918 can’t dope team wide. Eye witnesses felled Armstrong.
Doping now
by microdosing and
by blood transfusions.
Lets hope wva, mvp, pogacar, roglic are clean
@@paulsolon6229 this is where we look at their records as juniors, and wva, mvdp and the pog have stellar records as kids. This should give some comfort. Roglic and Evenepoel came from different sports so they don't have a junior record.
@@billbarendse1918 correct, it does give some comfort. But not much.
Armstrong had tremendous record as a kid in triathlon eg
Ullrich had great record as an teenage rider.
Two top managers o. Pogacar uae team have decades long history of Doping-were managers of r ricco, of i basso, of m pantani
Could you please speak more quietly, and a bit more muffled, too. Also, please do not use any intonation. Thank you.
Thank you for your words of encouragement. Actually I had no idea this little experiment in intonation and production would turn out to be so popular. Cheers :)
Thanks for the research, but you sound like a government official reading tax papers out loud. Please put more passion and emphasis into your voice!
Your should try some of my other videos
@SlaveLaboringKid that's a pity. I tried to make it as interesting as possible and then as an experiment I read it in the voice I used to put my kids to sleep. They usually lasted 5 minutes. So for the first 192 days it got 214 views and in the last three weeks it got more than 10,000 views. Don't ask me why I have no idea.
A boring, creaky old voice. Will put one to sleep.
Where is the video of you doing it better? Jealous much
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You can speed it up, or reproduce the content with your voice. Either way, I get it.
@@paulsolon6229 Where is your video?