“Shirk” is found in the chorus of Hymn 252, Put Your Shoulder to the Wheel. It has also been used in talks that can be found in the church’s library app.
Met my wife. Dated for 3 months, engaged for 3 months... just celebrated 26 year anniversary. Still in love :) Does my story apply to everyone? Probably not. Oh and France, Paris mission was the best in the world.
As far as the young man sitting on the stand we call the kid the bishops messenger and we have them deliver notes or messages to people in the ward. It only happens like once or twice a year
King James is used because of consistency. It would be hard in Sunday school if everyone had different version, plus the cross-referencing of the quad is based on KJV.
So, I totally understand what you are saying about the church bench. BUT. There are some cases where it is needed. I think this is an area that would be covered by the disability specialist and maybe spots would need to "officially" be reserved, but I have a kiddo with autism and it took us like 2 years just to get him to come INTO the chapel without freaking out. So having the same spot every week is such a simple thing that seriously saves our family. He is getting older now and we are growing out of that now it seems, woohoo! But this was just a small thing that helped. And I know you aren't talking about particular cases like this but just the so and so family who has staked their claim and glares when someone else gets there first lol. But just thought I would throw that out there!
We sing the national anthem for Canada and the US on their yearly anniversaries. Plus I've only ever seen a Priesthood holder as greater at the door in the 60 years I've been a member.
Back when Primary was on a weeknight and Sunday meetings were separate, the sacrament was passed in Senior Sunday School and in Junior Sunday School to children as young as 3. There's no verse of A Poor Wayfaring Man of Grief that can be removed and not tell the whole story. If you expect a ward to sound like Vocal Point, you're nuts! The deacon sitting on the stand used to be an assignment called Bishop's Messenger. He would be there in case the bishop needed someone to go do something. I don't think it's an official calling, but it can be useful. There was a letter from the First Presidency asking parents to teach their children in the home how to bear testimony and not take them up and feed them their lines. God Save the King is also in the hymnal we currently use. When you guys are old enough to have preteens of your own, you'll understand why you shouldn't allow your preteens to go on 1:1 dates. There are things I've "known" since I was 3. GA's often use "even" in prayers. I hate referring to people wo are interested in the Church, "Investigators". I sat on the stand once and heard the person conducting say, "We'd like to welcome those who are here to investigate the Church" and then watched the nonmbers in the back row raise their eyebrows and whisper to each other with puzzled looks on their faces. Finally, you guys and your listeners are way too picky and a little negative. The scripture says "bosom". So can you.
You'll be happy to hear that they have now officially changed the name of investigators! I think that may have come with the new Missionary Handbook. The missionaries I know refer to them as "friends." I'm sure it will take a really long time before people stop using investigators though haha! Clarification on the Savior Redeemer of My Soul part: The Vocal Point part was specifically about the tune of the Vocal Point version (and others like it) being totally different than the tune of the hymnbook version. It's the same words but nothing else about it is the same. Similar to our hymnbook version of Away in a Manger vs the standard version others use. I think it's more about if they changed the tune, it would be a better hymn.
I've seen a young man sitting on the stand used to run messages and coordinate things. For instance, once my dad forgot he had a talk and signalled the young man to come tell him what the topic was supposed to be, more often they're used to check what that sound is out in the foyer or someyimes to help with technology. I think alot of bishops probably feel like its "good preparation" as well.
Now that my son is a decons. I learned that the Decon on the stand is the bishopric messenger. If they need to tell something personal to a person in the congregation, that decons goes and sends the message.
It's funny that you've never heard the word 'shirk' before. "We all have work, Let no one shirk. Put your shoulder to the wheel." It's also in Horton Hears a Who by Dr. Seuss: "Are you sure every Who down in Who-ville is working? Quick! Look through your town! Is there anyone shirking?” ... And, just as he felt he was getting nowhere, And almost about to give up in despair, He suddenly burst through a door and that Mayor Discovered one shirker! Quite hidden away In the Fairfax Apartments (Apartment 12-J) A very small, very small shirker named Jo-Jo
When you answer these questions you really need to look up the info in the handbook for the actual authorized answer: "See Bible, English. The same as the King James Version (KJV)" The other versions are translated from the KJV.
The deacon on the stand is meant to be a messenger for the Bishop if the need arises. Its not really used anymore with technology, but I'm pretty sure that's what it's for.
@@joshmercado592 It is actually one of the responsibilities assigned to the Deacons Quorum in the Handbook of Instruction. The Deacon Quorum President is supposed to assign which deacon serves each week.
@@brettmajeske3525 I find nothing in the handbook about this currently. It has been a tradition that really has no purpose now that bishoprics can text from the stand.
travel log Sunday. It helps when the Bishopric member keeps his remarks to Testimony and not starts with a travel story. When he starts with a travel story then the story telling flood gates open full wide.
@John Dunkle yes!😂 Last year on Sunday of the 4th of July, an older member of our ward got up to bear his testimony and ended up giving a political speech on why we need to start praying in schools again😬😅 my dad is on our High Council and (a few months after that incident) was assigned, like the rest in the Stake, to give a talk reminding the wards what a testimony is and isn’t, and the purpose of testimony meetings. He suggested jokingly that those who get up every Fast Sunday and share those “travel logs” that they should instead be asked to talk in church more often if they want to share so badly😂 Your testimony is what comes from the Spirit, not the story that the Spirit used to teach you. You just need to share what you learned, not the entire story with it😂
Hey, it still is where I'm at...bless the Baby and many in the Ward have not seen the Baby, so tradition to hold up the Babe so all the older Ladies get to see how cute the Baby is...I honestly love this tradition.
As a convert to the church, I appreciate everything about Mormon culture. You're not weird, you're peculiar people. Embrace it all. Someone who was raised in Hillsong, I like just piano and not having to wear earplugs.
You address a bishop as bishop after being released because that’s a priesthood office they retain. Stake president is a calling, not a priesthood office, so they don’t keep the title.
Not a member but investigating........and I guess technically have been for around 20 years. Lol.....message or reply if you have questions about it being a 20 year investigation haha.......anywho....i definitely had to ask why ya'll say 'even, Jesus Christ" .......i literally had no clue. My SIL had to explain for me......."Mormons believe that God the Father and Jesus Christ are two distinct beings. So they are including both" It makes so much more sense now!!!!
I believe (and am close to knowing) that what you get out of a testimony meeting is directly correlated to your own spiritual preparation before. If you find yourself focusing too much on how someone else is testifying rather than letting the spirit touch your spirit and enhance your testimony, that's on you and not the person speaking.
Hey, ex teachers/deacons quorum president/priests assistant here, the young man on the stand is just there essentially as errand boy for the bishop. For example, in an area where texting in the meeting is taboo, the bishop might need to pass a note, or check if someone is here for a talk or prayer/if someone is missing to go grab bro or sis so-and-so or the elders for a talk or prayer. I would just assign one of the deacons to do it, or do it myself.
That statement about testimonies gets repeated about every ten years or so. The reason the presiding authority is served the sacrament first, is to prevent embarrassment if the blessers had made a mistake and need to repeat. It is something that only became part of LDS culture since the 1930s. The story goes an Apostle visited a Ward, and stopped the passing of the Sacrament so the prayer could be repeated. The next month a new policy statement was released that it should be passed to the person presiding first. The young man is the Bishop's runner. In times past the Bishop could send the runner to summon a surprise testimony.
Yes, no one owns a bench in church. Except for me. I own my bench and I’m weirdly territorial about it. Don’t sit on my seat. 😂😂 kidding. Or not, I need to work on that
There are actually an official policies for things like children bearing testimony with the “assistance” of an adult and thanking the “priesthood” rather than the young men. Policy is basically don’t do it. I’m a convert and the church I came from also sang only hymns and I loved it. They were so beautiful. I don’t live it in this church. 😢 they all sound the same and are sung at the pace of a funeral dirge. When there are instructions at the top of the page to sing things “reverently” or “spiritedly” because the music itself doesn’t convey that, you have a problem.
My pet peeve, in addition to the use of the word "moisture" which was already shared, is when praying so many say, "bless that .....". It's it really that difficult to put in the direct object, like "us"? ("Bless us that".... for example).
@@brettmajeske3525 There was great debate among the brethren about this subject for decades. I once found an 1890 article in a church publication in which one general authority called it “evil” that any person should receive the sacrament before another. The tradition of having the sacrament going to the presiding authority first continued to grow within the church while others railed against it. In 1943, David O McKay institutionalized it for the sole purposes of helping the young Aaronic Priesthood holders learn something about the order of the Priesthood. I guess by them having to figure out who presided at a church meeting was a lesson about hierarchical priesthood structure.
8:46 Ok...I have a MAJOR problem with the way the sacrament is handled. The deacons always look stiff and always struggle with their route, and I don't get the conductor needing to excuse them and "inviting" them to sit with their own families. When i was a deacon, the priests gave a little head nod, and that was our excusal. Yes, the conductor still thanked us, but we didn't get his permission to leave. I truly get bugged by it every week.
The conductor's invitation to the young men to return to their families after the sacrament began along with a renewed emphasis that families should sit together during sacrament meeting (if I remember correctly). But during Sunday School opening exercises, we sat with our classes. (Lots of changes since then.)
This was a bunch of personal opinions and not based on facts or even close to correct answers. So sad You both really need to do research before you open your mouths with erroneous answers
Hey, Love the Channel. I am 42 and feel somewhere in between your thoughts and maybe much of what has grown up from the Culture. I think the concern that I have, is being overly critical or coming across as condescending because of things in the Culture that are neither bad nor good...I think much of the discussion is based on personal opinions and preferences. There may be some specific things that we should or should not do...but many things are just preference or what we are used to. I find it fun to see some of the old sayings, or ways...it reminds me of a different time, or my Grandparents and Parents...which many of us wouldn't be here without their testimony's and staunchness in the Gospel. I also recognize the World Wide Church and the many different people, cultures and customs that are becoming members and see that some of the old ways just don't work the way they used to...that doesn't necessarily make them bad, but they may not be needed. In my opinion, the Gospel is personal and the Church is the vehicle in which we can come closer to God through the teachings, community & ordinances along with Prophets and Apostles...I think we need to give everyone grace and not be too annoyed or critical of things we may perceive as old, outdated, silly or we just don't get, as those same things may feel like it helps them...or it's just the way they understand things. As long as we are not blatantly teaching false doctrine or hurting people directly, we should try not to take offense and roll with it...maybe share input when you can and as the Church grows, the culture will continue to grow and reflect the changes that naturally occur.
Feeling a lot of judgment and dismissiveness in this one from children sharing testimonies to dating and praying. Clearly some very strong feelings from the hosts haha
There is a 2013 1st Presidency letter encouraging parents to teach their children to bear testimony at home and it discourages them from doing at church until they can do so on their own.
@@BirdingIsFun I feel like there was some harshness regarding whether children even have testimonies and are able to bear them, without respect as to whether it's at home or at church.
@@Baikanon I do agree that how he worded that a child can't have a testimony was dismissive, especially because I think a child definitely can have a testimony. A belief in Santa isn't testified by feeling the Spirit, but a testimony of Jesus Christ and His gospel is, so it's totally different in my mind. Especially because the point is more that parents shouldn't whisper to the kid what to say, not that a kid should never bear testimony on their own. At other areas, he also seemed dismissive toward Utah members of the Church, which I've lived out of Utah and in Utah, and it's not all that different as far as how Sundays go. I think a lot of BYU students think that their BYU experience is the same as the Utah experience, but BYU is a university experience where everyone is a member of the Church from all over the world. My experience was that BYU wards were more different from family ward Utah than Texas wards were from family ward Utah. I don't get the animosity toward Utah wards, especially by people who have only ever been in BYU YSA wards haha
Honestly pretty sad how much they (especially the guy) didn’t understand. The young man is clearly the bishops messenger in case he needs something so he doesn’t have to leave the chapel, and shirk? Have they never sung “put your shoulder to the wheel”?? I enjoy Saints Unscripted but not this… not only does it come off as condescending, but the trouble is they are mixing actual funny cultural things with church policy in a seemingly teasing way. Plus the guy is just really annoying; she’s fine, but there’s gotta be somebody else who can do it besides him.
You guys really need to read the scriptures before you answer these questions: Burning in your bosom comes from the D&C: “But, behold, I say unto you, that you must study it out in your mind; then you must ask me if it be right, and if it is right I will cause that your bosom shall burn within you; therefore, you shall feel that it is right. But if it be not right you shall have no such feelings, but you shall have a stupor of thought that shall cause you to forget the thing which is wrong; therefore, you cannot write that which is sacred save it be given you from me.” (D&C 9:8-9)
Handbook update: 19.3.6 Musical Instruments Live instruments are normally used for prelude and postlude music and for hymn accompaniment in Church meetings. Where they are available and where members can play them, organs and pianos are the standard instruments. Bishoprics may approve the use of other instruments to accompany congregational singing, for prelude and postlude music, and in other musical selections. Musical instruments should convey a feeling of worship and be played in keeping with the spirit of the meeting.
Question why the presiding authority receives the sacrament first? The answer is found ii the talk The Lord's Sacrament President David O. McKay Second Counselor in the First Presidency David O. McKay, Conference Report, April 1946, pp. 111-117
PRESIDING OFFICERS TO RECEIVE SACRAMENT FIRST Rather should that young man carry the sacrament to the presiding officer, not to honor him, but the office, as you honored our President tonight. That presiding officer may be the bishop of the ward; if so, let the young man carry the sacrament first to the bishop. After that pass it to one after the other who sit either on the left or the right of the presiding officer; not going back to the first and second counselors and then to the superintendent. The lesson is taught when the sacrament is passed to the presiding officer. The next Sunday, the president of the stake may be there, who is then the highest ecclesiastical authority. Do you see what the responsibility of the deacons and the priests is? There is a lesson in government taught every day. It is their duty to know who is the presiding officer in that meeting that day. Next Sunday there may be one of the General Authorities. Those young men will have in mind the question, "Who is he today, and who is the presiding authority?"
That advice goes back a forth in different editions. Although I should point out that it encourages using the right hand if possible, allowing for use of the left hand otherwise.
the young man sitting up there by the Bishop is a gopher for the Bishop not many wards use them... I was one as a teacher... I fell asleep and woke up as the meeting already adjourned completely disoriented
I love this show for touching on so many great gospel topics. But speaking of bad word replacements and being called out on it and repenting (your words)... can the hosts refrain from using the word/phrase “what the frick”? Honestly sound uneducated but also, we all know what crude word your replacing so, just don’t.
@@TBIhope Why? Since they one is a substitute for the other, they mean the same thing and have the same level of negativity. The scriptures teach us not to swear at all, swearing is swearing no matter the specific words used.
@@brettmajeske3525 I disagree. I do think it can be crude based on how it’s used, but I say things like, “oh my freaking gosh!” when something exciting or surprising happens all the time, and it’s nothing like saying “oh my f******* g**.” If you can’t see the difference, I’d be surprised.
@@TBIhope What is the difference, really? It is still word substitution. The words may be different or altered, but the meaning is the same. It is the intent, not the actual word, that is the profanity, which is to say the sin. Changing words is based on the idea that people can trick God by the change. Saying "gosh" instead of "god" does not alter the intent. I think it is worse, because it is deceptive. If one wants to swear, then do so openly. Yes it is taking the Lord's name in vain, but it is being honest about it. If one wants to be dishonest about profanity, then one has just added an additional sin on the original. I prefer to think why one has the desire to use profane language in the first place, and address that honestly and rationally. Self-deception is the worst deception of all.
Hi! Love Saints Unscripted! Just a heads up though, sometimes family’s may turn these episodes on a tv and have little kids watching. So maybe bringing up Santa, Easter Bunny, etc in a negative context isn’t the best idea.
Why? You do not think the person has trust in the teachings of the Church? "True" when applied to people and organizations is the adjective from of "trust". It is only the adjective form of "truth" when applied to principles and ideas.
@@emilyolsen4692 I suppose it depends on whether the person was being honest or rhetorical. Which can be difficult to distinguish, so I try to be charitable.
"If we called you out on anything, good!" What prideful, judgemental, ridiculous people. Your opinion is not sacrosanct, and mocking other members of the church in this manner is super gauche. I will not be watching any more videos with these two as hosts. Total thumbs down here.
“Shirk” is found in the chorus of Hymn 252, Put Your Shoulder to the Wheel. It has also been used in talks that can be found in the church’s library app.
We had a Canadian chorister who made us sing God Save the King on the 4th of July.
OOOOOOOHHHHHH! Orange rolls!!!!! Soooooo good.
Met my wife. Dated for 3 months, engaged for 3 months... just celebrated 26 year anniversary. Still in love :) Does my story apply to everyone? Probably not. Oh and France, Paris mission was the best in the world.
Happy belated anniversary!
As far as the young man sitting on the stand we call the kid the bishops messenger and we have them deliver notes or messages to people in the ward. It only happens like once or twice a year
King James is used because of consistency. It would be hard in Sunday school if everyone had different version, plus the cross-referencing of the quad is based on KJV.
So, I totally understand what you are saying about the church bench. BUT. There are some cases where it is needed. I think this is an area that would be covered by the disability specialist and maybe spots would need to "officially" be reserved, but I have a kiddo with autism and it took us like 2 years just to get him to come INTO the chapel without freaking out. So having the same spot every week is such a simple thing that seriously saves our family. He is getting older now and we are growing out of that now it seems, woohoo! But this was just a small thing that helped. And I know you aren't talking about particular cases like this but just the so and so family who has staked their claim and glares when someone else gets there first lol. But just thought I would throw that out there!
We sing the national anthem for Canada and the US on their yearly anniversaries. Plus I've only ever seen a Priesthood holder as greater at the door in the 60 years I've been a member.
Read the handbook!
Back when Primary was on a weeknight and Sunday meetings were separate, the sacrament was passed in Senior Sunday School and in Junior Sunday School to children as young as 3.
There's no verse of A Poor Wayfaring Man of Grief that can be removed and not tell the whole story.
If you expect a ward to sound like Vocal Point, you're nuts!
The deacon sitting on the stand used to be an assignment called Bishop's Messenger. He would be there in case the bishop needed someone to go do something. I don't think it's an official calling, but it can be useful.
There was a letter from the First Presidency asking parents to teach their children in the home how to bear testimony and not take them up and feed them their lines.
God Save the King is also in the hymnal we currently use.
When you guys are old enough to have preteens of your own, you'll understand why you shouldn't allow your preteens to go on 1:1 dates.
There are things I've "known" since I was 3.
GA's often use "even" in prayers.
I hate referring to people wo are interested in the Church, "Investigators". I sat on the stand once and heard the person conducting say, "We'd like to welcome those who are here to investigate the Church" and then watched the nonmbers in the back row raise their eyebrows and whisper to each other with puzzled looks on their faces.
Finally, you guys and your listeners are way too picky and a little negative.
The scripture says "bosom". So can you.
You'll be happy to hear that they have now officially changed the name of investigators! I think that may have come with the new Missionary Handbook. The missionaries I know refer to them as "friends." I'm sure it will take a really long time before people stop using investigators though haha!
Clarification on the Savior Redeemer of My Soul part: The Vocal Point part was specifically about the tune of the Vocal Point version (and others like it) being totally different than the tune of the hymnbook version. It's the same words but nothing else about it is the same. Similar to our hymnbook version of Away in a Manger vs the standard version others use. I think it's more about if they changed the tune, it would be a better hymn.
I've seen a young man sitting on the stand used to run messages and coordinate things. For instance, once my dad forgot he had a talk and signalled the young man to come tell him what the topic was supposed to be, more often they're used to check what that sound is out in the foyer or someyimes to help with technology.
I think alot of bishops probably feel like its "good preparation" as well.
Now that my son is a decons. I learned that the Decon on the stand is the bishopric messenger. If they need to tell something personal to a person in the congregation, that decons goes and sends the message.
It's funny that you've never heard the word 'shirk' before.
"We all have work, Let no one shirk.
Put your shoulder to the wheel."
It's also in Horton Hears a Who by Dr. Seuss:
"Are you sure every Who down in Who-ville is working?
Quick! Look through your town! Is there anyone shirking?”
...
And, just as he felt he was getting nowhere,
And almost about to give up in despair,
He suddenly burst through a door and that Mayor
Discovered one shirker! Quite hidden away
In the Fairfax Apartments (Apartment 12-J)
A very small, very small shirker named Jo-Jo
Vocal Point Nearer My God to Thee
When you answer these questions you really need to look up the info in the handbook for the actual authorized answer: "See Bible, English. The same as the King James Version (KJV)"
The other versions are translated from the KJV.
The deacon on the stand is meant to be a messenger for the Bishop if the need arises. Its not really used anymore with technology, but I'm pretty sure that's what it's for.
Yes, and i think it used to be a calling that can be extended to young men (mite still be) with other possible responsibilities)
Ya idk how they (especially he since he was a young man) didn’t know that
@@joshmercado592 It is actually one of the responsibilities assigned to the Deacons Quorum in the Handbook of Instruction. The Deacon Quorum President is supposed to assign which deacon serves each week.
Yes! That's what it is.
@@brettmajeske3525 I find nothing in the handbook about this currently. It has been a tradition that really has no purpose now that bishoprics can text from the stand.
travel log Sunday. It helps when the Bishopric member keeps his remarks to Testimony and not starts with a travel story. When he starts with a travel story then the story telling flood gates open full wide.
@John Dunkle yes!😂
Last year on Sunday of the 4th of July, an older member of our ward got up to bear his testimony and ended up giving a political speech on why we need to start praying in schools again😬😅 my dad is on our High Council and (a few months after that incident) was assigned, like the rest in the Stake, to give a talk reminding the wards what a testimony is and isn’t, and the purpose of testimony meetings. He suggested jokingly that those who get up every Fast Sunday and share those “travel logs” that they should instead be asked to talk in church more often if they want to share so badly😂
Your testimony is what comes from the Spirit, not the story that the Spirit used to teach you. You just need to share what you learned, not the entire story with it😂
The so called Simba moment was a huge thing in the 70's and 80's before the Lion King was a thing. 😂
Hey, it still is where I'm at...bless the Baby and many in the Ward have not seen the Baby, so tradition to hold up the Babe so all the older Ladies get to see how cute the Baby is...I honestly love this tradition.
It was basically a requirement in our family until my brother-in-law jokingly fumbled the baby and no one found out endearing anymore
As a convert to the church, I appreciate everything about Mormon culture. You're not weird, you're peculiar people. Embrace it all. Someone who was raised in Hillsong, I like just piano and not having to wear earplugs.
😂😂😂
You are mentally ill and definitely on the menu!!
You address a bishop as bishop after being released because that’s a priesthood office they retain. Stake president is a calling, not a priesthood office, so they don’t keep the title.
Not a member but investigating........and I guess technically have been for around 20 years. Lol.....message or reply if you have questions about it being a 20 year investigation haha.......anywho....i definitely had to ask why ya'll say 'even, Jesus Christ" .......i literally had no clue. My SIL had to explain for me......."Mormons believe that God the Father and Jesus Christ are two distinct beings. So they are including both"
It makes so much more sense now!!!!
Glad it's all starting to make sense! And 20 years is a long time! How do you feel your investigation in the church is going?
I believe (and am close to knowing) that what you get out of a testimony meeting is directly correlated to your own spiritual preparation before. If you find yourself focusing too much on how someone else is testifying rather than letting the spirit touch your spirit and enhance your testimony, that's on you and not the person speaking.
Hey, ex teachers/deacons quorum president/priests assistant here, the young man on the stand is just there essentially as errand boy for the bishop. For example, in an area where texting in the meeting is taboo, the bishop might need to pass a note, or check if someone is here for a talk or prayer/if someone is missing to go grab bro or sis so-and-so or the elders for a talk or prayer.
I would just assign one of the deacons to do it, or do it myself.
That statement about testimonies gets repeated about every ten years or so.
The reason the presiding authority is served the sacrament first, is to prevent embarrassment if the blessers had made a mistake and need to repeat. It is something that only became part of LDS culture since the 1930s. The story goes an Apostle visited a Ward, and stopped the passing of the Sacrament so the prayer could be repeated. The next month a new policy statement was released that it should be passed to the person presiding first.
The young man is the Bishop's runner. In times past the Bishop could send the runner to summon a surprise testimony.
Yes, no one owns a bench in church. Except for me. I own my bench and I’m weirdly territorial about it. Don’t sit on my seat.
😂😂 kidding. Or not, I need to work on that
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There are actually an official policies for things like children bearing testimony with the “assistance” of an adult and thanking the “priesthood” rather than the young men. Policy is basically don’t do it.
I’m a convert and the church I came from also sang only hymns and I loved it. They were so beautiful. I don’t live it in this church. 😢 they all sound the same and are sung at the pace of a funeral dirge. When there are instructions at the top of the page to sing things “reverently” or “spiritedly” because the music itself doesn’t convey that, you have a problem.
My pet peeve, in addition to the use of the word "moisture" which was already shared, is when praying so many say, "bless that .....". It's it really that difficult to put in the direct object, like "us"? ("Bless us that".... for example).
Shirk is my new favorite word that i'll be using for the next 2 years.
I'd like to bury my testimony I know the church is two
I think the practice of waiting for the presiding authority to partake of the sacrament first comes from 3 Nephi 18:3-4.
IT actually dates from the 1930s or 40s. It is to guarantee that the Deacons do not start passing the Sacrament before approved.
@@brettmajeske3525 There was great debate among the brethren about this subject for decades. I once found an 1890 article in a church publication in which one general authority called it “evil” that any person should receive the sacrament before another. The tradition of having the sacrament going to the presiding authority first continued to grow within the church while others railed against it. In 1943, David O McKay institutionalized it for the sole purposes of helping the young Aaronic Priesthood holders learn something about the order of the Priesthood. I guess by them having to figure out who presided at a church meeting was a lesson about hierarchical priesthood structure.
Jackson (sorry if I misspelled) reminds me so much of Ben Wyatt from Parks and Rec and I can’t be the only one who sees it
I’m Canada we sing our national anthem on Canada Day (or Sunday closest) and when I was in England, we sang God save the King when Elizabeth died
I married my wife less than 2 months after we first met. We have been married 36 years now and still going strong.
We dated for one month, engaged for six, married for 24 and going strong here. 😂😂😂
8:46 Ok...I have a MAJOR problem with the way the sacrament is handled. The deacons always look stiff and always struggle with their route, and I don't get the conductor needing to excuse them and "inviting" them to sit with their own families. When i was a deacon, the priests gave a little head nod, and that was our excusal. Yes, the conductor still thanked us, but we didn't get his permission to leave. I truly get bugged by it every week.
I think that's more of a transition thing not based on anything more. I think some wards also do it to maintain reverence.
The conductor's invitation to the young men to return to their families after the sacrament began along with a renewed emphasis that families should sit together during sacrament meeting (if I remember correctly). But during Sunday School opening exercises, we sat with our classes. (Lots of changes since then.)
This was a bunch of personal opinions and not based on facts or even close to correct answers. So sad You both really need to do research before you open your mouths with erroneous answers
Hey, Love the Channel. I am 42 and feel somewhere in between your thoughts and maybe much of what has grown up from the Culture. I think the concern that I have, is being overly critical or coming across as condescending because of things in the Culture that are neither bad nor good...I think much of the discussion is based on personal opinions and preferences. There may be some specific things that we should or should not do...but many things are just preference or what we are used to. I find it fun to see some of the old sayings, or ways...it reminds me of a different time, or my Grandparents and Parents...which many of us wouldn't be here without their testimony's and staunchness in the Gospel. I also recognize the World Wide Church and the many different people, cultures and customs that are becoming members and see that some of the old ways just don't work the way they used to...that doesn't necessarily make them bad, but they may not be needed.
In my opinion, the Gospel is personal and the Church is the vehicle in which we can come closer to God through the teachings, community & ordinances along with Prophets and Apostles...I think we need to give everyone grace and not be too annoyed or critical of things we may perceive as old, outdated, silly or we just don't get, as those same things may feel like it helps them...or it's just the way they understand things. As long as we are not blatantly teaching false doctrine or hurting people directly, we should try not to take offense and roll with it...maybe share input when you can and as the Church grows, the culture will continue to grow and reflect the changes that naturally occur.
Feeling a lot of judgment and dismissiveness in this one from children sharing testimonies to dating and praying. Clearly some very strong feelings from the hosts haha
There is a 2013 1st Presidency letter encouraging parents to teach their children to bear testimony at home and it discourages them from doing at church until they can do so on their own.
@@BirdingIsFun I feel like there was some harshness regarding whether children even have testimonies and are able to bear them, without respect as to whether it's at home or at church.
@@Baikanon I do agree that how he worded that a child can't have a testimony was dismissive, especially because I think a child definitely can have a testimony. A belief in Santa isn't testified by feeling the Spirit, but a testimony of Jesus Christ and His gospel is, so it's totally different in my mind. Especially because the point is more that parents shouldn't whisper to the kid what to say, not that a kid should never bear testimony on their own.
At other areas, he also seemed dismissive toward Utah members of the Church, which I've lived out of Utah and in Utah, and it's not all that different as far as how Sundays go. I think a lot of BYU students think that their BYU experience is the same as the Utah experience, but BYU is a university experience where everyone is a member of the Church from all over the world. My experience was that BYU wards were more different from family ward Utah than Texas wards were from family ward Utah. I don't get the animosity toward Utah wards, especially by people who have only ever been in BYU YSA wards haha
Honestly pretty sad how much they (especially the guy) didn’t understand. The young man is clearly the bishops messenger in case he needs something so he doesn’t have to leave the chapel, and shirk? Have they never sung “put your shoulder to the wheel”??
I enjoy Saints Unscripted but not this… not only does it come off as condescending, but the trouble is they are mixing actual funny cultural things with church policy in a seemingly teasing way. Plus the guy is just really annoying; she’s fine, but there’s gotta be somebody else who can do it besides him.
Agreed
Also agreed
16:46 we don’t in the UK 😂! But apart from that the hymns still hit the same 🤩
You guys really need to read the scriptures before you answer these questions: Burning in your bosom comes from the D&C:
“But, behold, I say unto you, that you must study it out in your mind; then you must ask me if it be right, and if it is right I will cause that your bosom shall burn within you; therefore, you shall feel that it is right. But if it be not right you shall have no such feelings, but you shall have a stupor of thought that shall cause you to forget the thing which is wrong; therefore, you cannot write that which is sacred save it be given you from me.” (D&C 9:8-9)
12:05 What about how the Presiding Bishopric are all referred to as bishop, but it's not the same for local bishoprics?
My guess is they all have bishop keys in the Presiding Bishopric, whereas the counselors in a ward bishopric do not
Sadly I can't see use of guitar in handbook 😞
Handbook update: 19.3.6
Musical Instruments
Live instruments are normally used for prelude and postlude music and for hymn accompaniment in Church meetings. Where they are available and where members can play them, organs and pianos are the standard instruments. Bishoprics may approve the use of other instruments to accompany congregational singing, for prelude and postlude music, and in other musical selections.
Musical instruments should convey a feeling of worship and be played in keeping with the spirit of the meeting.
So, no instruments are specifically prohibited or endorsed.
Question why the presiding authority receives the sacrament first?
The answer is found ii the talk
The Lord's Sacrament
President David O. McKay
Second Counselor in the First Presidency
David O. McKay, Conference Report, April 1946, pp. 111-117
PRESIDING OFFICERS TO RECEIVE SACRAMENT FIRST
Rather should that young man carry the sacrament to the presiding officer, not to honor him, but the office, as you honored our President tonight. That presiding officer may be the bishop of the ward; if so, let the young man carry the sacrament first to the bishop. After that pass it to one after the other who sit either on the left or the right of the presiding officer; not going back to the first and second counselors and then to the superintendent. The lesson is taught when the sacrament is passed to the presiding officer. The next Sunday, the president of the stake may be there, who is then the highest ecclesiastical authority. Do you see what the responsibility of the deacons and the priests is? There is a lesson in government taught every day. It is their duty to know who is the presiding officer in that meeting that day. Next Sunday there may be one of the General Authorities. Those young men will have in mind the question, "Who is he today, and who is the presiding authority?"
A lot of these things are not fundamentally LDS. Greeters, simba presentation, people having their own bench. . . .
Fun fact, the new handbook says to take the sacrament with your right hand now
That advice goes back a forth in different editions. Although I should point out that it encourages using the right hand if possible, allowing for use of the left hand otherwise.
The whole shirk conversation had me on the floor! Might just use that one in future
the young man sitting up there by the Bishop is a gopher for the Bishop not many wards use them... I was one as a teacher... I fell asleep and woke up as the meeting already adjourned completely disoriented
I love this show for touching on so many great gospel topics. But speaking of bad word replacements and being called out on it and repenting (your words)... can the hosts refrain from using the word/phrase “what the frick”? Honestly sound uneducated but also, we all know what crude word your replacing so, just don’t.
I love saying what the frick, and who cares if other people “know what word it’s replacing?” Frick is still better than saying f*ck.
Ya I agree with you. Even though I sometimes say it, I would never in a setting like this. Doesn’t look or sound good
@@TBIhope Why? Since they one is a substitute for the other, they mean the same thing and have the same level of negativity. The scriptures teach us not to swear at all, swearing is swearing no matter the specific words used.
@@brettmajeske3525 I disagree. I do think it can be crude based on how it’s used, but I say things like, “oh my freaking gosh!” when something exciting or surprising happens all the time, and it’s nothing like saying “oh my f******* g**.” If you can’t see the difference, I’d be surprised.
@@TBIhope What is the difference, really? It is still word substitution. The words may be different or altered, but the meaning is the same. It is the intent, not the actual word, that is the profanity, which is to say the sin.
Changing words is based on the idea that people can trick God by the change. Saying "gosh" instead of "god" does not alter the intent. I think it is worse, because it is deceptive. If one wants to swear, then do so openly. Yes it is taking the Lord's name in vain, but it is being honest about it.
If one wants to be dishonest about profanity, then one has just added an additional sin on the original.
I prefer to think why one has the desire to use profane language in the first place, and address that honestly and rationally. Self-deception is the worst deception of all.
Hi! Love Saints Unscripted! Just a heads up though, sometimes family’s may turn these episodes on a tv and have little kids watching. So maybe bringing up Santa, Easter Bunny, etc in a negative context isn’t the best idea.
what bugs me is all the creative ways to swear with substitute words...
Ditto. Swearing is still swearing. Spirit of the law vs letter of the law.
I will defend the Simba move with scripture and the Temple, if necessary :}
I cringe every time a testimony starts with "I know the church is true"
Why? You do not think the person has trust in the teachings of the Church? "True" when applied to people and organizations is the adjective from of "trust". It is only the adjective form of "truth" when applied to principles and ideas.
I imagine its annoying just because so many people start their testimonies that way. It becomes so redundant.
@@emilyolsen4692 I suppose it depends on whether the person was being honest or rhetorical. Which can be difficult to distinguish, so I try to be charitable.
orange rolls? at what point are these available? and do you have to be a member? is there a recipe somewhere or is it secret?
Available at your local Walmart, right by the crescents and other pre-made baked-at-home goodies
The secret ingredient is grossness. They're yucky
Love oneanother is nice and not to long
Hahaha!
Will you just react to the RM? It’s so funny!!
What is with these two and just crapping on other LDS people the whole time? Not the first video this has happened. Super disappointing.
"If we called you out on anything, good!" What prideful, judgemental, ridiculous people. Your opinion is not sacrosanct, and mocking other members of the church in this manner is super gauche. I will not be watching any more videos with these two as hosts. Total thumbs down here.
why can't their be modern songs or at least played with modern instruments though?