1985: MORRISSEY on MANCHESTER | Oxford Road Show | Classic BBC Music | BBC Archive
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- Morrissey of The Smiths gives the Oxford Road Show a tour of his home town, Manchester. He visits the site where his childhood home formerly stood - now torn down as part of the urban renewal project - and his old primary and secondary schools, recalling how each area inspired him in its own way.
Originally broadcast 22 March, 1985
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He's both incredibly modern and very old fashioned all at the same time. Definitely a old spirit in a new body.
I was a pupil at St Mary's RC secondary modern in Stretford, I was there the day he filmed outside our school, he originally was filming outside the boys entrance on the corner of Renton Road, it was during our dinner break, obviously when our famous former pupil arrived with a camera crew, about 300 spotty schoolboys ran over causing mayhem, so they stopped filming and stood outside the staff entrance (which was out of bounds to us boys) eventually our headmaster Mr Thomas asked the BBC camera crew and Morrissey to move on, as *in his words "causing a distraction to the boys"...I remember how uncomfortable Morrissey was that day, he didn't speak or look at us, probably through his shyness (shyness is nice😉) and the dread of being back there, he didn't exaggerate about how awful it was there, I received the strap across the palms of my hands several times, for such "crimes" as yawning in assembly! Not long before Moz filmed there, the school was investigated by OFSTED for hundreds of cases of corporal punishment that were unwarranted, it was a damming report on the school, fortunately corporal punishment was abolished in 1987, unfortunately for me, it was the year I left! Ironically the schools motto was Sine Macula, which translated from Latin is "Without stain"...Well I survived the place and I'm seeing Morrissey again in concert this autumn.
Really interesting story. Thanks for sharing. Sorry you had to go through that at school and Morrissey too.
Great story! So it looks like it was much the same in 85!
@@dommidavros2211 yes, the school didn't change much, it was built in 1955 and bulldozed in 1992.
You Brits think UK schools are bad....try going to an American High School...PURE HELL.....and if you don't get shot to death you live with the scars for years....
🖤
His teacher actually said 'Mozzer you fackin' legend' so they had to do a retake.
Lol
More like 'Stephen, you daft racist'.
LOL!😂😂
😂 😂
I dont care what anyone says about him or his current politics. This man is very dear to me and will always. People change and as we get older we can lose our essence. But here he is in all his glory. Ps im going to Manchester in Sept and will do the Smiths tour.
Seconded. Our Stephen has lost his way a bit recently but back then he was a beacon.
@@seanpower7232 I'm not sure he's lost his way. Much if it is media bias and mis-perception. He's said some dumb things I disagree with, but he's still honest and frank and makes some great points about the music industry and establishment. See Morrissey Interview 2022
hello. just wondering if you made it to Manchester and if you done the tour. how was it? and what Morrissey landmarks did you visit? the iron bridge? Kings road? Salford lads club? or is there a kind of official Smiths tour? thanks.
Yes by supporting that evil far right lesbian and former Labour candidate Anne Marie Waters. How dare he! Haha.
His politics haven't changed though, society has.
that last shot of the flats with back to the old house playing, heartbreaking.
He’s a legend. “It just wasn’t like the old days anymore, no it wasn’t like those days.” Morrissey your the best.
'..you're the best!'
@@mrstephenpariah you sad man.
@@KP-hd1lg Morrissey would want them to be corrected
Shame he’s a racist prick though
What's profound about that statement? Lol
Having a cup of tea with this bloke would be an interesting experience.
The smiths are one of my fave bands, listen to there is a light that never goes out on repeat all the time , amazing song
the smiths yes morrissey nope
Morrisey is the face of the smiths. If you like the smiths, you like Morrissey.
The most cheerful man in the world ever.
Most cheerful englishman:
He is who he is and shouldn't apologise
@@sdkjsdfo Did anyone ask him to apologise?
🤡🤡🤡
@@yeetboi9817 In the half light; so English, frowning…🎶
he definitely is one of the men in the world ever
I don't know Why Morrissey has this look in his eyes and this voice tone that makes me think he is innerly joking so so so hard
yes, young morrissey was super sarcastic about most things, even about himself. you can see it if you compare any of the old interviews with any of post 2000s.
Agree. I dont see him as a miserable person but someone with a subversive sense of humour.
I think He might be living with depression, I've heard him say that on interviews, but he also seems to know how to take it with humor nevertheless
Bro can’t even go back to the old house, smh
I think that is what the song is about.
Extraordinary how modernist architecture ruled the world for around half a century, despite its inhuman nature. I sighed because that school looked as bland and Corbusian as mine, but that last shot of the block housing was just soul-destroying.
That totally caught my attention also. The shot at the end. Like something out of a dystopian war ravaged future. Except it was built in the 60s. What was the thinking behind that sort of architecture? Disgusting.
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@@DevRSVR 5 years of university education and lots of pretentious bollocks.
This is the infamous Hulme Crescents; a planning disaster that was demolished less than 18 years after it was built.
The area is completely unrecognisable from this now….
Ironically an area where only the high earners can afford to live.
@@DevRSVR You should see Leith in Edinburgh. Cables Wynd House ("The Banana Flats") and Linksview House are now Grade A listed buildings! As if brutalist residential architecture was something to be celebrated! Blame intellectual type architects who never had to live in the bloody things!
WOW. I wonder what he would say now. Everything looks so much cleaner back then and it always gets me when you see old clips like this - just how few cars there were.
What a singer he is.
These are exactly the kind of gritty and grim surroundings of an upbringing I would expect to lead him to write the songs he does. As with most people, he is a product of his environment. But unlike most people, he found a way to make even the sad, the ugly and the depressing seem (sound) beautiful and even romantic. THAT is a talent.
It's nice to see Moz smile.
This is an amazing video. Such a sad story. Morrissey is so articulate, interesting and educating. What a top man.
I did visit Manchester this week. I did drive down Kings Road and stopped and walked over not under the iron bridge. On the opposite side to Kings Road, behind the housing estate where Morrissey’s secondary school once stood, there’s even more newly built houses. Seems like even more change.
The development in Manchester is crazy. It’s a different place from when he grew up. It’s wealthier with more opportunities but also old communities like this have been changed. Overall the city is heading in the right direction but sadly some Mancs are left behind.
I was a pupil at the same school as Morrissey (not at the same time though) if you walk down the narrow pathway on the Renton Road side of the bridge, you'll see where the gates were for boys who lived on the Kings Road side, it's the only part of the school still standing, it was demolished in the early 90s, the iron bridge is known locally as the Monkey bridge, nobody seems to remember why? 🤣
I feel exactly the same about Birmingham. A massive regeneration in the city. While it is nice and most likely needed it feels like part of my childhood has been erased and only photos and the odd video clips allows me to revisit those happy places.
the same with where i grew up in glasgow
Love you Morrissey stay strong
AND stay healthy!
Kick em when they fall down 🥾
Lots of respect for this man!
Brilliant. Love Mozza
Such a beautiful authentic English and such a sad story, nostalgia definitely brings and exaggerate memories though.
@No Thankyou It is sad when someone's hometown or city loses its history . I'm from Coventry and I get mixed feelings about new buildings replacing old, but it's usually old stores. The last time I went to Manchester was in 2004, I loved it, even though I hate both teams lol. Maybe it looks too modern now for some?
I hate to think nostalgia exaggerates our memories. As long as you don't live in the past and use the past to go forward in a positive way.
@@smcomedy4897 Agreed. My hometown is quite a different story, as it is slowly dying. There were 15 houses on my street when I was growing up, and all the neighborhood kids would play ball in the streets, someone's yard, an abandoned lot, or wherever we could. Now only 3 of those houses are occupied and the rest have either been demolished or are rotting away. I visited a few weeks ago and felt sadness at first, but I try not to dwell on it, and I am thankful that I had a good childhood with lots of friends. Like me, almost everyone I remember moved away after High School. I've made new friends over the years and have lived in 10 different cities, but I do feel a bit nostalgic when I return home and walk the streets on which I used to bike for hours on end. I guess on the plus side, nature is taking over the abandoned lots, and there are lots of beautiful flora and fauna to appreciate. Cheers!
@No Thankyou WAS fascinating.
I miss it, especially derby day pub banter between red & blue Mancunians.
HILARIOUS.
@@smcomedy4897 YOU can blame the Hermans in WW2, for alot of what happened in Coventry.
THE old burnt out cathedral with the shrapnel pitted blocks of stone, that you can put your thumb in...so moving.
"Oh Manchester, so much to answer for..."
The Smiths is the greatest band ever and it's not even close I'm afraid.
ELP is better.
They're not even top 500 I'm afraid. Bland and drab with absolutely terrible lyrics
@@Helghanhooker where did they hurt you?
The Cranberries are far better
@@flaviojosefo7130 they have one good song. And it helps that its a political one
I like the way he occasionally uses the pronoun 'one' in his speech. I do the same and am also not posh or particularly well educated, it's a useful tool to get ONE's point across- it's for all of us not just the royal family
I'll be having that
he has such a tragic, heartbreaking beauty about him
Secondary state education, or comprehensive, yep, a lot of us ended up in that. Glad Mozzer got out and inspired so many.
of course a lot of people did, it was compulsory mate...
He is so beautiful
My fav video ever being published by the BBC ! WHATTTT
Love the guys sense of community, we all should feel this in an ideal world 😊
A lenged!! It's nice to hear him talk about his childhood so charming ❤❤
This charming man
oh wow I'm happy to see this uploaded in much better quality finally
🙌
Happy that you enjoy watching t.v
. o for sure. Way better than the VHS copy of a copy of a copy quality
Like the hero's journey, you can't go back.
The red-brick Victorian building in the background at 1:18 has now been converted into flats. I'm currently in those flats as I type this comment.
Great music from the smiths
The greatest songwriter this country has ever produced.
Noel is actually better.
@@114D No
Thanks, you tube, for showing me this jewel!
This is my first time hearing his voice and wow! It's just as I imagined.
Well done the BBC for uploading this. I seen it years ago on here
Because his song is hit different again
Say what you will but Morrissey is the best!
Brett Anderson is better
I’m surprised the BBC hasn’t pulled this. Morrissey has been completely cancelled as of today. #legend
The Queen is dead. I get it now ❤️
I'm manc. In the same way ..
It's all gone 😭 I never knew I had so much in common with Morrissey.
Walking the streets and canals ..
Is not sad it's very Artistic 😅 👍
HMM yes; I think of City's Maine road, in comparison to where they play now...P...U...K...E.
Preferred Old Piccalilli Gardens, to the new layout.
As someone born and raised in Manchester, seeing the way it’s become. I get it. I understand his sentiment.
Now 8 days later, the Queen is actually dead....
@@lovecanburn YES, & I'm waiting with baited breath for Morrissey to actually say something!
I get his aversion to secondary school, his connection with the old house, and his birthplace completely. Despite the negatives, your home city with its flaws and terrible decisions is still a place you don't want to leave because it holds those moments in time which created and shaped you.
Morrisey will always be in my heart and I'd love to sit down with him with a cup of tea and discuss old episodes of Coronation Street and how cruel and useless secondary school truly was.
Morrissey morphed into Mr Pink, our old English teacher. The majority of teachers still there in '85 taught me from '76 to '81.
You have to have a grain of hope, which is a very difficult thing to have.
OR a mustard seed of faith.
THIS is the first time I've heard him speak, instead of sing; as instead reading of quotes & soundbites in the media.
Excellent! Thank you.
Morrissey has proved that professional intellectuals from Manchester can make it in music.
MES proved that first!
Manchester music scene is paramount!! We have some real legends who came from here
@@ck891 Yeah but most of them are anti-intellectual and proud.
He wasn't a professional intellectual. He didn't have a profession as such, prior to the band
@@hazelwray4184 I guess they mean that culturally he was an intellectual and he brought that knowing into his music lyrically. And made a lot of money out of it! He wasn't really though. He liked to think of himself like that but i think he was actually not an intellectual at all. Intellectual posturing!
Incredible band whose achievements are in no way diminished by the (now controversial) views of their front-man.
Wonderful video, thanks for sharing
Went to junior school for “many many years”, and lived on Kings Road “for a very long time”? How old was he in 1985?!
He would have been 25. I remember seeing it when it was first broadcast. Where’s the time gone?
@@strattonlad1228 26.
@@Mitch93 27
Must be terrible to lose the area you grew up in. I've recently moved up near Manchester and I don't think I've been to another city that has more comprehensively destroyed its history. If you didn't know any better you'd assume that most places outside of the centre didn't exist 60 years ago.
It has happened all over the country. My nan lived in Islington and had an outside loo. It was demolished in the 60s and the residents rehoused. Now you have to be a millionaire to live there.
@@craftybookworm8280 But there are still plenty of pre-60's houses in Islington at least - in Manchester/ Salford they just demolished whole areas and started again. Even the streets have vanished!
I take your point. London has many historic buildings but where I lived in Stratford, East London has been totally demolished. No roads or recognisable landmarks are left.
LET'S not forget the IRA's contribution, in the mid 90s.
YES, & it's sad it's not MADchester anymore, nor Fergie's United. Although the Reds play in Trafford, not Manchester.
I want to know what happened to the 'Bloodtub,' where they use to grapple (wrestle) in Manchester.
THE 'Northern Quarter' what a pretentious & poncey name for Shudehill!
Wonderful clip of the greatest Englishman.
Morrisey and Paul Heaton to me were like Keats and Shelley to the educated.
NEVER liked PH's voice, & he or whatever band he was in played the 'Northern' card too much.
What a good place to be
very well said
The only Keats and Shelley most Mancunian people knew was the tower blocks over the river in Kersal, Salford.
@@Sergio_9320
I use to live in 'Penguin Island'/'Wighat'
(Broughton Park Salford) for 9 years in the Noughties.
IF you need me to explain my names for BP Salford, then you don't know Manchester, Salford, Prestwich & Bury!
MARK E Smith of the Fall, I've seen in Sedgely Park Prestwich, & come into the pub & leisure club I use to work in Prestwich/ Sedgely Park, for a pint🍺
BUT I never managed to see Mozza.
National treasure
International treasure.
Loves Manchester so much that he effed off to California and never looked back. 🤗
Smart man
"back bedroom casualty" - did that end up in a song - if not it should have
I grew up off kings road, home of the Iron Bridge
Thats why the smiths are so good. Marr + A WRITER.
It’s still a mystery to me why many architects are almost without any sense for human needs and like to erect those places of alienation and discomfort.
Welcome to council housing, where they think of you as cattle.
Brutalist architecture is so damaging to the human condition it has been banned in many places.
Journey, autobiography through time.
..." the anals of history" ...a true intellectual our Mozza.
You can see that he read books and didn't have any conversations with anyone who knew how to pronounce the words in the books, an issue I remember having myself at times. There's an interview with Ian McCulloch where he laughs at Morrisey's mispronunciation of chasm, another word that nobody ever says, or at least didn't say in Manchester in the seventies.
English pronunciation is wildly unpredictable
Moz!! 👑💙🙌🙌
Top man 👍
Good talking to you too. Take care.👍
2:21 "When you walk without ease
On these streets where you were raised"
Feeling the effects of Modernity
3:30 it was indeed, quite true
2:40. He is still talking while walking. He has a little mic.😂
I always loved them, they seemed the total opposite of Simon Le Bon Bon and Duran Duran and such like.
For those awkward misfits he was a hero i guess.
To me he’ll always be a hero.
BUT early New Romantic Duran Duran had an air of mystery about them, not their later 'Rich Kids' in Rio stuff.
@@redwingrob1036 Yes your spot on i always thought Planet Earth and that first album were excellent to be fair.
Backbedroom casualty
It fascinates me how bulldozering old neighbourhoods is seen as progress. But it takes away the things that anchor you - and when you cant go home again, like Morrissey says here its quite a huge thing. I wonder where this Mozza went. He's gone.
Dickens was a famous walker too.
Morrissey- the only person alive who has never grown out of their Morrissey phase
Charming man .👍
Happy to see : that ( geographically speaking ) Morrissey went from a Queen to a KIng
😂😂
That's happened almost everywhere, shame really.
Very interesting.
Another wildly entertaining extract from the self-regard section of the Dullard Archives - bravo!
If you had said Wilde-ly, then your shining wit and wisdom would have impressed me. Rather like if you had killed a policeman when you were 13.
@@ubmuhkehcubol I would I say that, you absolutely horrible thing?....It doesn't even make sense. Fie, demon!
@@lewis7515 Please don't make me explain. Do some research.
@@ubmuhkehcubol He's too dense to carry out research.
Everything changes nothing stays the same
The more I search about on the Internet and as I go up n down the country with my job, I see more n more evidence of maybe the erasing of certain aspects of history even notice the loss of amazing creative skills especially in building and architecture, the areas the average every day citezens/class live eventually get systematically destroyed and replaced with absolutely no trace it was there, but in the city's and old monumental looking buildings there maybe signs of them looking like they've been buried, or the land being raised up, makes more sense where the phrase raising a building to the ground
Stephen, stephen; Nostalgia = The suffering of returning to one's past. Solution = Don't wallow, move forward and embrace the future, cos it's all you got.
Why does nostalgia have to be suffering? Should we all stop taking photos then? 😂
@@Fatfrogsrock Looking at old photos can be fun. However, wishing you could be back in those times is futile, but also neglecting, and not appreciating, the now.
& then he promptly departed for West London & Los Angeles ... 🤨
@ciao214Z Kensington & Chelsea
He’s a count full stop whatever talent he had was overshadowed by his despicable personality
Was the giggly Morrissey meeting his old teachers the real one? Still great music but I wonder how his character would get on as a newcomer today.
If Morrisseys depressive nature is an act, he's done well to keep it up for 50 odd years
Did I know his name was Steven? I honestly can't remember. I just know him as Morrissey
Heaven knows he’s miserable now. Belligerent ghouls run Manchester schools. Manchester so much to answer for 💞
"Spineless swines, cemented minds" .... As someone educated in Manchester, he was right
Feel the same about Coventry. I look at old pics, gorgeous old fashioned architecture, beautiful. Then I see what they built in its place after the war... Jesus.
Then again, even compared to what was around when I was a kid, what's there now looks even worse! Ever sloping downward spiral, especially with our council.
Everyday is like Sunday 😂
I should be so lucky, lucky, lucky, lucky. Don't be told, ah, do what you want. In my mind and in my car. Giant steps are what we take. Take down the union jack it clashes with sunset. In your dreams does your lover have my face? Finished with my woman coz she couldn't help me with my life. Roll over Beethoven gotta hear it again today. Run for the sun little one. Have you ever seen a cat so clever as magical Mr. Mestophales? Well, have you?
“…its proved to be true.” 🤣
this bit annoyed me 😂
Ironic....all of these massive, soulless, brutal blocks of flats were supposed to be the wave of the future....
I am hated for loving.
his voice is so seductive
I've always wondered why dont they paint the houses to make them look a bit more cheerful?
2:33 SO TRUE. IT APPLIES TODAY AS WELL. 2024
...and that's why i live in Alty now
Ahh times changing always we are all changing we have no other choice .
3:24 "Go down the anal's of history or whatever..." ooh pardon, lucky ole history I say.... ( Kenneth Williams laugh )
"Annals", peasant.
Ooh matron
@@Smartychase You beat me to it.
Doesn't work as a pun. It's neither pronounced or spelled the same as annals. You don't understand puns.
@@douglasfreeman3229 no need to be annal about it is there.
Does the body rule the mind - Or does the mind rule the body? - I dunno...
Ask Sam Harris or Dan Dennett. They're good with that sort of thing.
Seems like Morrissey thinks Manchester has a lot to answer for.
Meu namorado
One of the very few celebrities that thinks for himself. So many are sheep.