FloridaBoy Bushcraft & Survival Can also use electrical tape and super glue.. because it makes it easier move the gear around depending on the mission..
In the Ranger Regiment all of the equipment on the LBE was tied down using 550 cord with a square knot and 2 half hitches. The 1 quart canteens were tied down use a dummy cord with an end of the line bowline knot. Most airborne units had to tie down all their equipment.
I have, but they seemed pretty flimsy compared to most. I’ve bought a couple reproduction items and guessing they came off one of them. Don’t use the items anymore, just no good. Clips are all in a box. If I take one out that feels lighter/flimsy now, I just toss it.
I feel so dumb because I was looking for a video on how to attach gear to the belt and I didn’t realize the Alice clips slid open until you did it 😂. THANK YOU new subscriber here and happy I found your channel✌️
Please forgive me if someone has already mentioned this, but gutted paracord ties are much easier to work with if you cut them at a 45 degree angle, melt the ends with a lighter, and then slightly pinch them flatter into an oval (NOT completely flat) while the nylon is still hot. They won't fray and splay out when you try to feed them through the metal clip loop, and it gives you a bit of a lip for your screwdriver blade to push against. I do this to all my paracord ties. Oh, and use flat-jaw pliers (I use needle-nose) to flatten the hot Nylon, not your fingers. That's a mistake you will only make once. Trust me on this one. :-)
Thats called "dummy cording". In the Marine Corp it was used for the newbies who couldn't keep track of their gear because the clips were worn out and failed constantly. If its never happened to you, then youve never had worn out hand-me-down gear or been in the Marine Corp in the 80s and 90s. A better solution for the field, is we removed the clips all together and used paracord or velcro straps only. 2 snug, but slideable lengths through the clip loops and around your belt. Gear slides on your belt better. Sometimes you need your mag pouch in the front, if you need to be in the prone position, slide them to the side. Thankfully better gear has preveiled. But being old school I still have a H-harness hooked up with velcro straps. Much cleaner look and more secure,
@Jen farmerat least offer up something constructive. Molle wasn't available to us in late 80s and early 90s. Like I said "better gear has prevailed". Comprehension isn't your strong point
Rest what case Jen? I never said Molle wasn't better. This conversation had nothing to do with Molle. It's about Alice clips. I said, they, "Alice clips" sucked. Molle had not been presented to us in those days. If you wanna argue Molle fine. Great for security and not losing gear when woven properly. Suck just as bad for moving gear out of the way. If you just loop it for maneuverability you can lose it just as easy as old worn out Alice clips. So shut up, I know how they all work. You obviously don't understand what I'm talking about. You should go now, I hear you mom calling, "Jen I got your chicken nugget Happy Meal with a gender neutral toy". Dumbass
Great video. Very informative. The little things like this are the fundamentals, so to speak. I’ve heard a lot of vets/users just skip the Alice Clips and use zip ties or paracord entirely as it cuts down on weight and “battle rattle”; and the tendency of Alice Clips to dig into one’s sides under heavy loads. And of course Malice Clips can be used now, and have the added benefit of being MOLLE compatible, too.
In Boot camp we lost dozens of them. Hiking & camping they're probably okay, rolling around in the mud with 40 other guys.... not so much. Half the time when marching & rucking we skipped the clip altogether & just used a ziptie.
9 years in the army and never had one come loose. Never heard of one coming loose. Never heard of anybody in my units that lost a piece of gear for coming loose. Didn't really understand what this video was about and had to watch it to understand. I figure this is a myth started by some OCD-type special ops sergeant that had to double secure everything because he was unlucky or just didn't set thing up correctly the first time. Of course, I'll grant that "shit can happen," but well, if ya plan for every possible thing that could go wrong, Murphy could always prove ya missed something! Whatever. Tie all yer gear together and untie it and re-tie it as often as you need to feel good about it. Tether your weapons to yourself. Wrap tape around your grenade spoons. Drip wax on yer canteens. and when ya actually "need" yer gear, good luck getting it un-done and ready to use, hopefully before the enemy runs up and guts yer dumb ass. It IS possible to over-train, over-prepare and over-equip yerself.
I did, once, and I saw it happen to at least one other person. I suppose it depends a lot on the condition of your clips and what you did with the gear.
The way to fix Alice Clips is to replace them with 550 cord. The problem with Alice Clips isn't that they come loose (they don't unless damaged), it is that they dig into you.
This past year Ive been getting into military surplus gear , thanks for the vids on tips and tricks very informative, I have been working on a belt system for hiking instead of a backpack, it seems way more comfortable and less weight.
It totally is. I have a few backpacks as well as suspender rigs but I have been working on developing the perfect hiking belt rig and I am getting close. You can't beat the ALICE stuff for price and durability...
I have an Ontario 18" military machete, with the old school polymer sheath. The sheath has Alice Clips, and a built-in carbide sharpener. I'm looking for something that will attach to the Alice Clips, so I can attach a sling to it. Any suggestions? I've seen those MOLLE Alive Clip adapters, and they appear to be trash.
@@FloridaBoyBushcraftSurvival I'm just going to bend the Alice Clips a little, and bend them back into a stainless steel hollow cylinder from a hardware store. I should be able to find one that fits pretty tightly. Then I'll bolt a ring to the end of the sheath, and use a rifle sling to carry it. The machete actually leaves about 1" of room at the bottom of the sheath, so there's plenty of real estate to screw or bolt some sort of ring to connect to a rifle sling. I could also just use webbing, but rifle slings are typically more comfortable, and often come with integrated attachments on the ends.
@@FloridaBoyBushcraftSurvival now I just have to get my ass off the couch and actually do it! You can also attach a smaller knife to the sheath with ranger bands, or other methods. Those sheaths are surprisingly good, despite being made like 55+ years ago. Everyone makes fun of the little carbide pull through sharpener. But, in a pinch, I'm guessing anyone would be glad to have it. I have one of those Work Sharp Field Sharpeners. You can take off the magnetic diamond plates, and use them as files (very carefully of course).
I never knew of this before or the fact they use to do this. I use the crap out of my large Alice pack and all my pouches are secured with Alice clips, but I used gutted paracord and tied a loop on the eye and had a slip knot in it, once the clip is on, I run that Paracord loop under the strap and run over the end of the clip and pull it tight. Works great for when you need to easily remove the clip, no need to cut the cord and tie again later. Here I thought I was just being paranoid about the clip coming off, but I learned something new today! Haha. Thanks bud.
I’ve used the medium Alice pack and the large Alice pack and LBE since 1982 and I’ve never had a clip come loose. Never heard of anyone else having problems with their clips I always take needle nose pliers and put a little bit of a bend in every clip so that I have to force the clip point into the bottom and once it’s there, it’s there for good.
1. It could be the angle but that looked like two overhand knots, not a square knot. 2. 4 years in the army and I never had those clips come loose, nor did anyone else’s I knew. Tying the clips wasn’t something anyone did that I knew of but I’m sure soldiers did different things in different units. Soldiers did remove the clips all together and just tie the canteen pouches and ammo pouches on with 550 cord and remove the clips from the Y in the back and use 550 to attach it to the belt. It wasn’t because they came loose, but was to make it quieter and more comfortable. Thank you for taking the time to share this with us though.
The best thing about ALICE gear is it's simplicity. The MOLLIE attachment system can be complicated. Watched a guy assemble a MOLLIE rucksack with a plastic frame on RUclips. Straps and buckles were everywhere. Still have my ALICE, large ruck with aluminum frame. Slip the top of the frame into the sleeve on top of the ruck sack, then two straps are buckled on the bottom corners, attach the shoulder straps and waist strap and your done. Assembly wasn't so easy on the MOLLIE ruck.
I tried a large MOLLE pack and was not too impressed. You are right, ALICE is very simple. I still mix and match ALICE and MOLLE pouches on the same rig, but the base belt/pack system is always ALICE. The stuff that the US Military throws away is better than most stuff in the stores....
FloridaBoy Survival: Your right about the fully servicable items the military often sells off. Bought an M-17 medical aid bag at a surplus store. No damages, no previous repairs. Was Olive drab green, not the ACU or Multicam so I suppose they sold it off for that reason. One of the clip buckles had a bend going the wrong way. So it couldn't be adjusted. A slight bend the opposite direction it works perfect. Holds a lot of medical supplies. Best first aid kit ever. Hold lots of medical supplies in a in a 14"x14"x14"cube shape.
If your Alice clips are having issues staying tight it’s really a simple fix. Remove the clip, observe the clip may be perfectly in line with the fastening point if it doesn’t clip tightly take some pliers and bend the fastener part out a little bit. Now it should come out at a slight angle and you’ll have to push with your hand to make the fastener line up with the loop but once locked the tension should be greater and the lock should hold.
Went to my first swap meet today and got a canteen pouch (looks new, no printing other than "US" on the front so I doubt it's legit but whatever) when I got home and looked there was this clip I've never seen before and glad I found your video! Now I not only know what my clip is called, but also that it needs to be tied down. Great video!
Bend the sliding portion of the ALICE clip upwards before you slide it into place. That provides spring tension to the ALICE clip and prevents them for coming undone. Eight years U.S. Army infantry 87-95. Still have my issued web gear, and I've never had an ALICE clip come undone.
@@FloridaBoyBushcraftSurvival I have known some SF/Ranger/LRSR guys who completely did away with ALICE clips altogether and tied their gear to their web belt with 550 cord for the sake of reducing noise. They also did away with their metal sling clips on their rifles and replaced them with 550 cord for the same reason.
I have used the zip ties on my ALLICE gear. I picked up canteen and ammo pouches there were repaired. When I purchased them, I didn't know they were repaired. I saved a few dollars by not getting them with the ALICE clips. When I tried to install the ALICE clips, I could get them thru the pouches. So I just installed a few zip ties.
ZIP ties work really well, the only problem is that they are not too movable when you cinch them down. But you can always carry a few extras if you have to cut one to move a pouch and they are cheap...
Thanks for sharing. I've been using ALICE gear for years, but I'd never thought to do this. Granted, it's never been a very serious issue for me, but I have had to stop to resecure some of my gear in the past. Definitely going to use this.
Thanks. Usually a few of the clips rust shut so they don't come off. If you are using your gear hard then you may want to secure the important stuff...
Yeah. Some of my clips are pretty rusted which does help, but also I haven't had an occasion to use my gear very hard. Just hiking, camping and such. I am looking into getting some formal training though. Should be a good learning experience for me.
I’m active duty and I decided to get an old alice pistol belt and take everything off my iotv to save like 15-20lbs on my shoulders and move it to my waist and I have no complaints
I was in a light infantry unit from 1989-1995. We completely replaced the alice clips with 550 cord. We did not tie them in place. The other thing we did was cut off the two triangle shaped clips at the bottom of the Y suspenders in the back and replaced those with 550 cord. They had a tenancy to be very uncomfortable digging in your lower back when you wore a pack because of their shape.
@@FloridaBoyBushcraftSurvival Americans have been known to always make minor modifications to gear to make it work better. You can learn a lot and get great tips talking to old timers... Thanks for the video
Nice video. I've also used paracord since the 80s, just as in your demonstration. Especially important to secure the small compass / first aid pouch as they seem to come loose very easily and I have lost one in the past. Nice to see that I'm not the only guy with rusty tools!
In the Air Force I safety-wired mine (rolling the end of the safety wire into the loop of the Alice clip) but I was a maintainer and also wore a Leatherman making removal no problem. 12-hour shifts were boring and the devil finds work for idle crew chiefs, but I never had one loosen. Stainless safety wire (and the pliers if you're a mechanic or just like insanely useful tools which are sometimes even used for their intended purpose) is worth having around your shop. .025" and .032" are the most useful sizes.
You can also replace the clips with nylon cable binders or zip ties. Pick the size of binder you want (depending upon the size one or two binders per clip). I like to put the binder tab on the bottom or one in each direction. I would then look at the distance between the tab and the size of the belt. Where the binder would bend and go up the back side, again depending upon the thickness of the binder, I take a file and put a grove on the binder so it bends better. Then up and through the tab. Snug it down but not to tight. Once you are happy with the arrangement, I use a fireplace lighter to melt the binder and tab where it comes out of the tab. Now, ensure when setting thes up, make sure the binder points out, away from your body when wearing the gear. Once burned, these work great. I use black medium size binders/ties. I used this on SWAT warbelts. Put a couple of extras in your gear for breakage or extra cuffs. As you place the binder tabs, make sure you put the tabs so they don't rest against your body like the Allice clip ends did. Semper Fi
sweet tips. Really like these tip segments. Another tool for the box. Thanks. Really enjoy the canteen cup recipes too. Keep up the good work and God bless
17 years in the Marines, well over half that serving in Grunt battalions and doing the same things they did yet never had an ALICE clip come loose. Use flush cutter to avoid leaving a sharp edge on the zip-tie.
we got ground pads with alice clips on them in boyscouts, and the military vet parents just giggled as we struggled to tie on the pads any way we could think to. i never did get it to stay in a way that i liked
Did not know this was such an issue. I never had any gear come loose when I was using Alice gear during boot camp or during the first 2 years I was an 0311 before MOLLE became more popular.
If they don't hold, you just bend the end up a little to increase the friction. Never had an issue with ours. All of that paracord would not fly in the battalions I was in.
Nice tip to secure the clips. Do you know how to restore rusted ALICE clips? If you have any video about it, or if you don't would be great to make one. Thanks and cheers from Colombia :D
After I got out of Regular Army in the early 1990s and got into the Army Reserves. I had plenty of spare TA-50. I took all of the metal clips off my LBE and just zipped tied them and had 550 cord holding my ammo pouches and butt pack. That took off a pound and much more comfortable during long ass marches and moving about in the field. Unfortunately back in Uncle Sugar's Infantry we had TA-50 inspections to make sure we didn't modify or destroy any government property. The extra TA-50 like LBE gear which I "found" from other companies but never my own. I modified those and worn them out in the field but kept those hidden somewhere for inspections. Many guys who have at least 1 year in the Army's Infantry would be wiser to get an extra set of LBE for the field.
good idea, but you better be committed to where your placing you gear or your going to go through a lot of paracord and zip ties, I like to use a loop of shock cord, I Ron it trough the clip head then pull it down over the bottom of the tail end of the clip, that way it secures the clip but it also allows me to switch gear around add or subtract some mag pouches and the shock cord remains threaded through the clip to be refastened.
Absolutely. I like for my belt stuff to be able to move around a little also. I have several belts though and if you were using one for a fighting belt with mag pouches and such I can see the reasoning behind locking them into place...
Thanks for this awesome information man, I was in during Molle 2 stuff and I never used Alice gear except what my dad had when I was a kid. I love this gear for hiking/ patrol use, it is superior in many regards to Molle/ PALS equipment, Especially when it comes to patrol gear. Thanks for this tip man, I've used electrical tape in the past but now will be using para cord for this. Again please keep up the good stuff. Thanks.
I've seen sprinkles of A.L.I.C.E. gear on the paintball field over the years. I still use sine of it today. It's still a viable gear solution for anyone operating or playing on a budget.
FloridaBoy Survival I know my videos are a bit drawn out but check my work out when you can. I've got a good amount of gear videos that might give you ideas for future works. :)
Outer Heaven Paintball Alice gear for paintball? How? What would you even carry with it? Reloads for the paint wouldn’t fit in any pouch that I know of.
Never once had a clip come undone. Never had them dig in. And when the Australian Army brought in the hip pad no one ever complained about them digging in. Why didn’t the U.S defence forces come up with something similar?
Here I thought you gonna teach about how to secure the pouch with ALICE clips from moving around the belt. Always have problem with the magazine pouches moving to the side of my waist instead of stay in front. Well, at least I learn something new.
+FloridaBoy Survival Cool video. I prefer the MOLLE system personally and my rucks and tac vest/plate carriers, accessories are MOLLE, along with the various pouches. With that said, I've been thinking of getting an ALICE pack and pouches because Coleman's Military Surplus catalog has large ALICE packs with 6 pockets ( 3 large outer and 3 more under the flap) in MARPAT camo, which I really like for $60. Not bad for a system that so many people swear by and still use generations later ( even some countries' military units still use them ). I am totally unfamiliar with the system, so this video helped illustrate it. Are there designated points on the ALICE rucks for attaching clips and pouches? If so, where and about how many? Also, how flexible is the system and can I still use my MOLLE pouches on the ALICE pack somehow? I'm an AK guy ( I'm not a fan of the AR platform or the 5.56 round ) and I don't want to have to buy all new mag, med, ammo, utility, etc....... pouches. Would like the pack, tho. BTW, I would be attaching pouches and such with para cord ( no such thing as too much para cord in your kit IMO, being that it has tons of uses. I've even melted some of the nylon shell and used it to fix minor rips in nylon stuff ). Wouldn't it be easier to melt the hollow cord on the tips and pinch it together ( kinda like you do with a boot lace when the plastic tip splits and breaks) for threading it?
Thanks! I have and use both systems but the ALICE is my favorite. There are adapters that will let you interchange pouches between platforms but I dont think they are needed as I use ALICE clips on my MOLLE belt and MOLLE pouches on my ALICE belts, check out my video on my Level 1 hiking kit and you will see MOLLE pouches on an ALICE belt.
@@FloridaBoyBushcraftSurvival Thanks, I'll do that. Good to know I can keep using and adding my MOLLE gear to the large ALICE gear. I like the MARPAT camo pattern and $60 is a good deal for a large pack that is regarded so highly by so many for long long ages, so much so that it's still in use by military units today. I have another mil surp catalog that has a bunch of medium ( I think ) ALICE packs ( which I regard as too small for anything but an assault pack, and true assault packs are made to just carry lots of extra meds and medic supplies in case you catch a round, extra mags, rounds, grenades, explosives, weapons, basically stuff to kill the enemy and kill the pain and patch yourself and buddies up). I forgot how much they cost and what catalog got ahold of them, but the catalog said that a foreign military ( I want to say Turkey, but I'm not sure about what country) ordered them from our govt. in some weird camo pattern and then didn't purchase the order after we made it. I was thinking of buying a large ALICE pack in MARPAT and buying a large MOLLE field, using scissors to make sections to size, and using liquid stitching and super glue to add MOLLE on various points of the ruck.
Yep. You can put ALICE stuff on a lot of different applications. They fit pretty well on MOLLE webbing too. I even use ALICE pouches on a leather belt that I have....
I see. I got my canteen I think a month ago and I didn't know much about ALICE and MOLLE at the time and I was just watching a video from Devin Krueger I saw your video in the recommended section
I figured out in the late 80's that there was NO Supply Sergeant or Quartermaster in the military that gave the same information to ANYONE on how to secure the clips...but after enough 'worn out, total fail' clips, I learned that if you take a bread tie and ran it through the top ring of the slider, and the TOP BAIL of the belt-segment, the clip would NEVER OPEN again unless you removed the bread tie. You're running it all up and around the belt is a bad way to break a tie...where micro zip-ties would do just what a bread tie would...stop the clip from opening.
To everyone who never had a clip come loose: try jumping out of a perfectly good c130 with that ALICE gear untied ! First off , your squad leader ain't gonna be none too happy , and you're gonna be missing important items.
I'm planning on digging out my Alice clips for my pistol belt, Bec I dislike the molle mag pouch design it's garbage, luckily I have all my Alice clips stored in a storage container somewhere in my barn in the loft
@@FloridaBoyBushcraftSurvival all my new issue Russian AK mag pouches I bought are all molle I have 20 round mag pouch made in Russia, and 30 round Russian mag pouch they have those garbage molle snap button and Velcro design and I just put my Alice clips on em way better than the molle set up
How about just using reusable zip ties? They come in various widths and lengths. One advantage is that equipment is removable, when you want to. Cheaper than Malice clips. Zip ties can break, but they need lots of stress or exposure to UV (sun) light to do so, according to my experience.
Never had an Alice clip come loose if tension is properly adjusted you will need pliers to open them .. of course there has been many many more years of use on them since my days serving .. 35 to be exact .. so I can where you can get ahold of loose ones
Yeah I don't like Alice backpacks I used to have one when I was I still got mine I just don't use it no more I don't leave you don't even like the racks for it but learning something I sure appreciate that thank you for the share
i've never needed a screwdriver, a pair of pliers, and a piece of paracord to secure my gear with MOLLE lol. i think alice was replaced for a good reason
I have minimal experience with ALICE clips, but, watching this, it seems to me that you're missing a beat in not utilizing the C-bend at the bottom of the clip as well as the eye.
That would be awesome. I have been trying to get one myself, but dodging our massive afternoon thunderstorms and the fact that we are still in a rainfall deficit and in a burn ban, it is tough for me to get one.
thumbed it up - thx - this is like 100,000 years after the fact, but they sure did a crappy job making those alice clips didn't they? i mean they could have made'em lock into place, but they just didn't.
Humm I was thought a method that used wire you took a peice and ran it through the eye and behid the belt and over the inside then twisted the ends and tucked under the pouch
Why don’t you just spot weld the clip if yer so concerned yer gonna lose yer gear? Partner, I went thru Nam and a total of 9 years of active Army, plus I brought my Alice gear home with me and used it for camping and after 50 years I have yet to lose a piece of gear off my belt or off my pack without tying it all down. I don’t who it was came up with this dummy cording stuff, but have never, ever experienced the need for it. If you need, then carry on and may you never lose gear in 50 years, also.
When did I say that I was so concerned about a clip coming loose? None of mine are tied down and I have never lost any gear. However, some people have this concern and for them this shows a couple of easy ways that they can feel better about the clips. My ALICE stuff is some of the best outdoor gear that I have, still better than some of the more "modern" garbage that they put out today and charge hundreds of dollars for....
I always thought Alice clips really sucked! I could not believe AT the time that this was the best thing that they could come up with! I am not a fan of the Molly system ether.
They are what you make of them. You can do the same thing with some paracord or a zip tie, I have a video on that too. I have never had a problem with them. I am not a fan of the MOLLE system either lol
Yeah I have no idea why they drop Cialis equipment and went to the mall and Molly garbage although our military's been fighting with a garbage rifle anyhow the M16 and the m4 piece of junk too small of around that tooth bolt get a little bit of dirt in it and jams every time the m4 M16 and all the variants of it or garbage they need to do is go to a 30 cal round like a 7.62x39 or 5.45x39 something other than that overpowered copper jacket at 22 that they use AKA 5.56 mm or for the civilians out there 223 yeah my opinion of it it's an overpowered pepper jacket at 22 but the ls equipment is better than the mole and Molly garbage they got believe me I don't know why the military ever switched stupidity I guess
@Mike Arnold yes I have and the 7.62has a heavy punch at close range the 5.56is a good round at close range at distance no the 5.56 bullet is nothing more than a overpowered copper jacketed 22 the bullet from a 223 is the same as the bullet from a 5.56 both are nothing but an overpowered copper jacketed 22 the only difference between the two is of the casing. Otherwise it's a piece of crap.
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FloridaBoy Bushcraft & Survival Can also use electrical tape and super glue.. because it makes it easier move the gear around depending on the mission..
In the Ranger Regiment all of the equipment on the LBE was tied down using 550 cord with a square knot and 2 half hitches. The 1 quart canteens were tied down use a dummy cord with an end of the line bowline knot. Most airborne units had to tie down all their equipment.
@@WickedgameC175 Nice. I am only truckin around in the swamp so I don't have to be that strict...
4 years in the Army, 4 years in the USMC.
And 40 years using it hunting, hiking and camping. Never had one come loose.
Me either but I have heard that some do...
I have, but they seemed pretty flimsy compared to most. I’ve bought a couple reproduction items and guessing they came off one of them. Don’t use the items anymore, just no good. Clips are all in a box. If I take one out that feels lighter/flimsy now, I just toss it.
I feel so dumb because I was looking for a video on how to attach gear to the belt and I didn’t realize the Alice clips slid open until you did it 😂. THANK YOU new subscriber here and happy I found your channel✌️
Lol no worries. They are not the easiest things to use...
Please forgive me if someone has already mentioned this, but gutted paracord ties are much easier to work with if you cut them at a 45 degree angle, melt the ends with a lighter, and then slightly pinch them flatter into an oval (NOT completely flat) while the nylon is still hot. They won't fray and splay out when you try to feed them through the metal clip loop, and it gives you a bit of a lip for your screwdriver blade to push against. I do this to all my paracord ties.
Oh, and use flat-jaw pliers (I use needle-nose) to flatten the hot Nylon, not your fingers. That's a mistake you will only make once. Trust me on this one. :-)
Exactly. I should have burned the ends of mine after I gutted it but I forgot for this video. Always melt the ends....
Stan Maddox I use my finger all the time when I melt the ends of paracord. Wet your finger/thumb first and it won’t burn. 👍
Thats called "dummy cording". In the Marine Corp it was used for the newbies who couldn't keep track of their gear because the clips were worn out and failed constantly. If its never happened to you, then youve never had worn out hand-me-down gear or been in the Marine Corp in the 80s and 90s. A better solution for the field, is we removed the clips all together and used paracord or velcro straps only. 2 snug, but slideable lengths through the clip loops and around your belt. Gear slides on your belt better. Sometimes you need your mag pouch in the front, if you need to be in the prone position, slide them to the side. Thankfully better gear has preveiled. But being old school I still have a H-harness hooked up with velcro straps. Much cleaner look and more secure,
Semper Fi
@Jen farmerat least offer up something constructive. Molle wasn't available to us in late 80s and early 90s. Like I said "better gear has prevailed". Comprehension isn't your strong point
Rest what case Jen? I never said Molle wasn't better. This conversation had nothing to do with Molle. It's about Alice clips. I said, they, "Alice clips" sucked. Molle had not been presented to us in those days. If you wanna argue Molle fine. Great for security and not losing gear when woven properly. Suck just as bad for moving gear out of the way. If you just loop it for maneuverability you can lose it just as easy as old worn out Alice clips. So shut up, I know how they all work. You obviously don't understand what I'm talking about. You should go now, I hear you mom calling, "Jen I got your chicken nugget Happy Meal with a gender neutral toy". Dumbass
@@brianriggin4560 haha you sir are a gem
Great video. Very informative. The little things like this are the fundamentals, so to speak.
I’ve heard a lot of vets/users just skip the Alice Clips and use zip ties or paracord entirely as it cuts down on weight and “battle rattle”; and the tendency of Alice Clips to dig into one’s sides under heavy loads. And of course Malice Clips can be used now, and have the added benefit of being MOLLE compatible, too.
Thanks! I have tied them on directly on some of my rigs, but I have had no problems with the clips either....
Never had any problems with ALICE clips. Fastened correctly, they stay secure.
I have never had them come loose either...
In Boot camp we lost dozens of them. Hiking & camping they're probably okay, rolling around in the mud with 40 other guys.... not so much. Half the time when marching & rucking we skipped the clip altogether & just used a ziptie.
Yup me either.
Must be an Amurricun thing. I used Aussie issued ones for a decade playing silly buggers and never had one come loose that I can recall.
Yeah my years in the military we never did this not even for airborne operations. But, ok
Never once did I have an alice clip come loose.
I have not either, but according to some they do...
Me neither.
I have.
9 years in the army and never had one come loose. Never heard of one coming loose. Never heard of anybody in my units that lost a piece of gear for coming loose. Didn't really understand what this video was about and had to watch it to understand. I figure this is a myth started by some OCD-type special ops sergeant that had to double secure everything because he was unlucky or just didn't set thing up correctly the first time. Of course, I'll grant that "shit can happen," but well, if ya plan for every possible thing that could go wrong, Murphy could always prove ya missed something! Whatever. Tie all yer gear together and untie it and re-tie it as often as you need to feel good about it. Tether your weapons to yourself. Wrap tape around your grenade spoons. Drip wax on yer canteens. and when ya actually "need" yer gear, good luck getting it un-done and ready to use, hopefully before the enemy runs up and guts yer dumb ass. It IS possible to over-train, over-prepare and over-equip yerself.
I did, once, and I saw it happen to at least one other person. I suppose it depends a lot on the condition of your clips and what you did with the gear.
The way to fix Alice Clips is to replace them with 550 cord. The problem with Alice Clips isn't that they come loose (they don't unless damaged), it is that they dig into you.
It is. I have never had a problem digging on me
This past year Ive been getting into military surplus gear , thanks for the vids on tips and tricks very informative, I have been working on a belt system for hiking instead of a backpack, it seems way more comfortable and less weight.
It totally is. I have a few backpacks as well as suspender rigs but I have been working on developing the perfect hiking belt rig and I am getting close. You can't beat the ALICE stuff for price and durability...
Yep I totally agree , its definitely a work in progress, over time it seems to evolve into different systems.
I have an Ontario 18" military machete, with the old school polymer sheath. The sheath has Alice Clips, and a built-in carbide sharpener. I'm looking for something that will attach to the Alice Clips, so I can attach a sling to it. Any suggestions? I've seen those MOLLE Alive Clip adapters, and they appear to be trash.
I have no answer for that. Yes the MOLLE adapters are junk...
@@FloridaBoyBushcraftSurvival I'm just going to bend the Alice Clips a little, and bend them back into a stainless steel hollow cylinder from a hardware store. I should be able to find one that fits pretty tightly. Then I'll bolt a ring to the end of the sheath, and use a rifle sling to carry it. The machete actually leaves about 1" of room at the bottom of the sheath, so there's plenty of real estate to screw or bolt some sort of ring to connect to a rifle sling. I could also just use webbing, but rifle slings are typically more comfortable, and often come with integrated attachments on the ends.
@@DDDYLN Perfect....
@@FloridaBoyBushcraftSurvival now I just have to get my ass off the couch and actually do it! You can also attach a smaller knife to the sheath with ranger bands, or other methods. Those sheaths are surprisingly good, despite being made like 55+ years ago. Everyone makes fun of the little carbide pull through sharpener. But, in a pinch, I'm guessing anyone would be glad to have it. I have one of those Work Sharp Field Sharpeners. You can take off the magnetic diamond plates, and use them as files (very carefully of course).
I never knew of this before or the fact they use to do this. I use the crap out of my large Alice pack and all my pouches are secured with Alice clips, but I used gutted paracord and tied a loop on the eye and had a slip knot in it, once the clip is on, I run that Paracord loop under the strap and run over the end of the clip and pull it tight. Works great for when you need to easily remove the clip, no need to cut the cord and tie again later. Here I thought I was just being paranoid about the clip coming off, but I learned something new today! Haha. Thanks bud.
No problem! The clips work great but when you secure them they are bulletproof
I have seen a source that says 1972, but as with many things, dates can be different, depending on where you get it.
They have various dates
i know that's a pistol belt but can people use it as a regular belt?
Probably not as it is a little bit over 2" wide and would probably be too large for your belt loops
nicely done. Good clear visuals combined with simple articulate instructions. Wish all RUclips how-to vids were done this well.
Thanks! I try my best...
I’ve used the medium Alice pack and the large Alice pack and LBE since 1982 and I’ve never had a clip come loose.
Never heard of anyone else having problems with their clips
I always take needle nose pliers and put a little bit of a bend in every clip so that I have to force the clip point into the bottom and once it’s there, it’s there for good.
Mine have kind of rusted together lol so they dont come loose...
The zip ties are prone to breaking if the temperatures drop to below freezing. Paracord is way better. :)
I am in Florida lol
@@FloridaBoyBushcraftSurvival Yeah well... yeah. :P Just in case you move to North Dakota or some such.
1. It could be the angle but that looked like two overhand knots, not a square knot. 2. 4 years in the army and I never had those clips come loose, nor did anyone else’s I knew. Tying the clips wasn’t something anyone did that I knew of but I’m sure soldiers did different things in different units. Soldiers did remove the clips all together and just tie the canteen pouches and ammo pouches on with 550 cord and remove the clips from the Y in the back and use 550 to attach it to the belt. It wasn’t because they came loose, but was to make it quieter and more comfortable. Thank you for taking the time to share this with us though.
I have never had a problem with them coming loose either, although some have
The best thing about ALICE gear is it's simplicity. The MOLLIE attachment system can be complicated. Watched a guy assemble a MOLLIE rucksack with a plastic frame on RUclips. Straps and buckles were everywhere. Still have my ALICE, large ruck with aluminum frame. Slip the top of the frame into the sleeve on top of the ruck sack, then two straps are buckled on the bottom corners, attach the shoulder straps and waist strap and your done. Assembly wasn't so easy on the MOLLIE ruck.
I tried a large MOLLE pack and was not too impressed. You are right, ALICE is very simple. I still mix and match ALICE and MOLLE pouches on the same rig, but the base belt/pack system is always ALICE. The stuff that the US Military throws away is better than most stuff in the stores....
FloridaBoy Survival: Your right about the fully servicable items the military often sells off. Bought an M-17 medical aid bag at a surplus store. No damages, no previous repairs. Was Olive drab green, not the ACU or Multicam so I suppose they sold it off for that reason. One of the clip buckles had a bend going the wrong way. So it couldn't be adjusted. A slight bend the opposite direction it works perfect. Holds a lot of medical supplies. Best first aid kit ever. Hold lots of medical supplies in a in a 14"x14"x14"cube shape.
If your Alice clips are having issues staying tight it’s really a simple fix.
Remove the clip,
observe the clip may be perfectly in line with the fastening point
if it doesn’t clip tightly take some pliers and bend the fastener part out a little bit.
Now it should come out at a slight angle and you’ll have to push with your hand to make the fastener line up with the loop but once locked the tension should be greater and the lock should hold.
That will work also...
Went to my first swap meet today and got a canteen pouch (looks new, no printing other than "US" on the front so I doubt it's legit but whatever) when I got home and looked there was this clip I've never seen before and glad I found your video! Now I not only know what my clip is called, but also that it needs to be tied down. Great video!
No problems. Check on google for some images, it most likely is a legit pouch...maybe new old stock
It's not really necessary to tie down Alice stuff for normal use, only when you're doing heavy duty stuff
I was putting mine together wrong lol I was trying to put the Alice clips thru the metal holes and couldn't figure out y they were to big
No worries, I hope this helped...
@@FloridaBoyBushcraftSurvivalit did thx
Bend the sliding portion of the ALICE clip upwards before you slide it into place. That provides spring tension to the ALICE clip and prevents them for coming undone. Eight years U.S. Army infantry 87-95. Still have my issued web gear, and I've never had an ALICE clip come undone.
That works. I have never had a problem with them either but others have...
@@FloridaBoyBushcraftSurvival I have known some SF/Ranger/LRSR guys who completely did away with ALICE clips altogether and tied their gear to their web belt with 550 cord for the sake of reducing noise. They also did away with their metal sling clips on their rifles and replaced them with 550 cord for the same reason.
I have used the zip ties on my ALLICE gear. I picked up canteen and ammo pouches there were repaired. When I purchased them, I didn't know they were repaired. I saved a few dollars by not getting them with the ALICE clips. When I tried to install the ALICE clips, I could get them thru the pouches. So I just installed a few zip ties.
ZIP ties work really well, the only problem is that they are not too movable when you cinch them down. But you can always carry a few extras if you have to cut one to move a pouch and they are cheap...
Thanks for sharing. I've been using ALICE gear for years, but I'd never thought to do this. Granted, it's never been a very serious issue for me, but I have had to stop to resecure some of my gear in the past. Definitely going to use this.
Thanks. Usually a few of the clips rust shut so they don't come off. If you are using your gear hard then you may want to secure the important stuff...
Yeah. Some of my clips are pretty rusted which does help, but also I haven't had an occasion to use my gear very hard. Just hiking, camping and such. I am looking into getting some formal training though. Should be a good learning experience for me.
I’m active duty and I decided to get an old alice pistol belt and take everything off my iotv to save like 15-20lbs on my shoulders and move it to my waist and I have no complaints
It is a very versatile platform even in 2021
Bank line at Walmart is a lot cheaper than Para-cord
Probably
I wish I had known the ziptie trick when I was in army 89-1995. We just used 90 mph tape, but ziptie method looks better.
The zips work pretty well, you have to sand down the sharp point after you trim them though
I was in a light infantry unit from 1989-1995. We completely replaced the alice clips with 550 cord. We did not tie them in place. The other thing we did was cut off the two triangle shaped clips at the bottom of the Y suspenders in the back and replaced those with 550 cord. They had a tenancy to be very uncomfortable digging in your lower back when you wore a pack because of their shape.
If I carried it as much as you did I would make those changes also....
@@FloridaBoyBushcraftSurvival Americans have been known to always make minor modifications to gear to make it work better. You can learn a lot and get great tips talking to old timers... Thanks for the video
I replaced ALICE clips in most of my gear by double-button nylon belt keepers, as used by LE personnel. Much more practical, safer and comfotable.
Nice video. I've also used paracord since the 80s, just as in your demonstration. Especially important to secure the small compass / first aid pouch as they seem to come loose very easily and I have lost one in the past. Nice to see that I'm not the only guy with rusty tools!
Thanks! Hey if a tool aint rusty then it is not being used!
Good video. The tie downs saved my ass in basic
Thanks!
In the Air Force I safety-wired mine (rolling the end of the safety wire into the loop of the Alice clip) but I was a maintainer and also wore a Leatherman making removal no problem. 12-hour shifts were boring and the devil finds work for idle crew chiefs, but I never had one loosen.
Stainless safety wire (and the pliers if you're a mechanic or just like insanely useful tools which are sometimes even used for their intended purpose) is worth having around your shop. .025" and .032" are the most useful sizes.
Awesome...thanks for the info
Could i just use an old boot lace and gut that it's basically the same right?
Yes. You can really use any small diameter cord, it is just to keep the clip from opening...
@@FloridaBoyBushcraftSurvival Okay thanks this helped alot!
Thanks to all the vets for keeping us safe and free, so we can relax and enjoy these great gear vids.
Absolutely. Without them we would not be able to do this...
Thanks, brother. I corded the ALICE clips on my belt with your video.
Glad it helped
@@FloridaBoyBushcraftSurvival UPDATE: I discovered MALICE clips and replaced all my old metal ALICE clips with them. Works great
Thank you. Been looking for this video. Good job.
Thanks!
Thank you I've been trying to figure that part out I've been hearing complaints about the clips coming loose during travel
I have never had one come loose, but tying them just adds security...
You can also replace the clips with nylon cable binders or zip ties. Pick the size of binder you want (depending upon the size one or two binders per clip). I like to put the binder tab on the bottom or one in each direction. I would then look at the distance between the tab and the size of the belt. Where the binder would bend and go up the back side, again depending upon the thickness of the binder, I take a file and put a grove on the binder so it bends better. Then up and through the tab. Snug it down but not to tight. Once you are happy with the arrangement, I use a fireplace lighter to melt the binder and tab where it comes out of the tab. Now, ensure when setting thes up, make sure the binder points out, away from your body when wearing the gear. Once burned, these work great. I use black medium size binders/ties. I used this on SWAT warbelts. Put a couple of extras in your gear for breakage or extra cuffs. As you place the binder tabs, make sure you put the tabs so they don't rest against your body like the Allice clip ends did. Semper Fi
Yes, there are a lot of different ways that you can ditch the clips...
sweet tips. Really like these tip segments. Another tool for the box. Thanks. Really enjoy the canteen cup recipes too. Keep up the good work and God bless
Thanks man. I think of tons of things to make life easier...lol
17 years in the Marines, well over half that serving in Grunt battalions and doing the same things they did yet never had an ALICE clip come loose.
Use flush cutter to avoid leaving a sharp edge on the zip-tie.
Me either, but some have. I use a small file to smooth the edges of the zip tie
we got ground pads with alice clips on them in boyscouts, and the military vet parents just giggled as we struggled to tie on the pads any way we could think to. i never did get it to stay in a way that i liked
They can be hard to tie sometimes
A tip that can save losing kit while out and about. I do this and have never lost anything so far. Great video!
My LBE has been setup like this sence 1977. Learned these tricks in the 1/75 Rangers.
I was never in the service but if I was i would have set mine up like this also...
Did not know this was such an issue. I never had any gear come loose when I was using Alice gear during boot camp or during the first 2 years I was an 0311 before MOLLE became more popular.
It is not really an issue, but as you know it CAN happen. I have never had an issue with them either....
If they don't hold, you just bend the end up a little to increase the friction. Never had an issue with ours. All of that paracord would not fly in the battalions I was in.
Like the paracord method, zip ties can become brittle with age and if not done right, the cut ends of zip ties can cut like razor blades.
Exactly. Some people love the zips but I think the paracord way is the best...
EVERY zip tie I cut, I then hit with a lighter, and dip finger in water to smooth it..no more razor like slashes!
ALWAYS a good idea. I am kind of partial to the paracord method but both work well...
Nice tip to secure the clips. Do you know how to restore rusted ALICE clips? If you have any video about it, or if you don't would be great to make one. Thanks and cheers from Colombia :D
Thanks! I think that once they are rusted shut that they wont work anymore
@@FloridaBoyBushcraftSurvival I think so. Because even though the rust can be removed, is almost impossible to repaint them.
After I got out of Regular Army in the early 1990s and got into the Army Reserves. I had plenty of spare TA-50. I took all of the metal clips off my LBE and just zipped tied them and had 550 cord holding my ammo pouches and butt pack. That took off a pound and much more comfortable during long ass marches and moving about in the field. Unfortunately back in Uncle Sugar's Infantry we had TA-50 inspections to make sure we didn't modify or destroy any government property. The extra TA-50 like LBE gear which I "found" from other companies but never my own. I modified those and worn them out in the field but kept those hidden somewhere for inspections. Many guys who have at least 1 year in the Army's Infantry would be wiser to get an extra set of LBE for the field.
you can really save weight by eliminating the old clips...
@@FloridaBoyBushcraftSurvival Way much more comfortable on long road marches and walking in the jungles of Panama.
good idea, but you better be committed to where your placing you gear or your going to go through a lot of paracord and zip ties, I like to use a loop of shock cord, I Ron it trough the clip head then pull it down over the bottom of the tail end of the clip, that way it secures the clip but it also allows me to switch gear around add or subtract some mag pouches and the shock cord remains threaded through the clip to be refastened.
Absolutely. I like for my belt stuff to be able to move around a little also. I have several belts though and if you were using one for a fighting belt with mag pouches and such I can see the reasoning behind locking them into place...
I wonder if a Canadian jam knot would work as well.
probably so, i think any knot would work just keep it tight
Or get the Molle system. Why use something proven defective
Because not everyone has money to burn. Alice stuff is a cheap way to gear up for the outdoors.
I dont see anything defective on my ALICE stuff
Thanks for this awesome information man, I was in during Molle 2 stuff and I never used Alice gear except what my dad had when I was a kid. I love this gear for hiking/ patrol use, it is superior in many regards to Molle/ PALS equipment, Especially when it comes to patrol gear. Thanks for this tip man, I've used electrical tape in the past but now will be using para cord for this. Again please keep up the good stuff. Thanks.
Thanks! I really like the ALICE stuff over the MOLLE system. I have never had any of it break, and you can get it for pennies on the dollar...
I took the alice clips off and just use para cord, no more rattle.
I have it like that on one of my belts....it works well. Thanks!
Never ever had one come lose. Trekking thru dirt, sand, sea water… never ever had a clip fail. If anything had them become harder to open.
Yeah once they rust together they never come off lol
I've seen sprinkles of A.L.I.C.E. gear on the paintball field over the years. I still use sine of it today. It's still a viable gear solution for anyone operating or playing on a budget.
That it is...
FloridaBoy Survival I know my videos are a bit drawn out but check my work out when you can. I've got a good amount of gear videos that might give you ideas for future works. :)
I did an subbed you.
Outer Heaven Paintball Alice gear for paintball? How? What would you even carry with it? Reloads for the paint wouldn’t fit in any pouch that I know of.
Should the excess cord be cut off
You can if you want to but it is not necessary
FloridaBoy Survival thank you
Never once had a clip come undone. Never had them dig in. And when the Australian Army brought in the hip pad no one ever complained about them digging in. Why didn’t the U.S defence forces come up with something similar?
You got me lol. I have not had any problems with them either but some have horror stories about them
Those are some rusty side cutters!
they are lol
Here I thought you gonna teach about how to secure the pouch with ALICE clips from moving around the belt. Always have problem with the magazine pouches moving to the side of my waist instead of stay in front.
Well, at least I learn something new.
If you tie them down with either para or zips they really do not move...
Thanks for the tip.
Yea tied on I used wire and the should straps attached mine never moved
+FloridaBoy Survival Cool video. I prefer the MOLLE system personally and my rucks and tac vest/plate carriers, accessories are MOLLE, along with the various pouches. With that said, I've been thinking of getting an ALICE pack and pouches because Coleman's Military Surplus catalog has large ALICE packs with 6 pockets ( 3 large outer and 3 more under the flap) in MARPAT camo, which I really like for $60. Not bad for a system that so many people swear by and still use generations later ( even some countries' military units still use them ). I am totally unfamiliar with the system, so this video helped illustrate it. Are there designated points on the ALICE rucks for attaching clips and pouches? If so, where and about how many? Also, how flexible is the system and can I still use my MOLLE pouches on the ALICE pack somehow? I'm an AK guy ( I'm not a fan of the AR platform or the 5.56 round ) and I don't want to have to buy all new mag, med, ammo, utility, etc....... pouches. Would like the pack, tho. BTW, I would be attaching pouches and such with para cord ( no such thing as too much para cord in your kit IMO, being that it has tons of uses. I've even melted some of the nylon shell and used it to fix minor rips in nylon stuff ). Wouldn't it be easier to melt the hollow cord on the tips and pinch it together ( kinda like you do with a boot lace when the plastic tip splits and breaks) for threading it?
Thanks! I have and use both systems but the ALICE is my favorite. There are adapters that will let you interchange pouches between platforms but I dont think they are needed as I use ALICE clips on my MOLLE belt and MOLLE pouches on my ALICE belts, check out my video on my Level 1 hiking kit and you will see MOLLE pouches on an ALICE belt.
@@FloridaBoyBushcraftSurvival Thanks, I'll do that. Good to know I can keep using and adding my MOLLE gear to the large ALICE gear. I like the MARPAT camo pattern and $60 is a good deal for a large pack that is regarded so highly by so many for long long ages, so much so that it's still in use by military units today. I have another mil surp catalog that has a bunch of medium ( I think ) ALICE packs ( which I regard as too small for anything but an assault pack, and true assault packs are made to just carry lots of extra meds and medic supplies in case you catch a round, extra mags, rounds, grenades, explosives, weapons, basically stuff to kill the enemy and kill the pain and patch yourself and buddies up).
I forgot how much they cost and what catalog got ahold of them, but the catalog said that a foreign military ( I want to say Turkey, but I'm not sure about what country) ordered them from our govt. in some weird camo pattern and then didn't purchase the order after we made it. I was thinking of buying a large ALICE pack in MARPAT and buying a large MOLLE field, using scissors to make sections to size, and using liquid stitching and super glue to add MOLLE on various points of the ruck.
I didn't even realize that my canteen could be placed on bags with attachment points. Thank you so much!! :)
Yep. You can put ALICE stuff on a lot of different applications. They fit pretty well on MOLLE webbing too. I even use ALICE pouches on a leather belt that I have....
I see. I got my canteen I think a month ago and I didn't know much about ALICE and MOLLE at the time and I was just watching a video from Devin Krueger I saw your video in the recommended section
I figured out in the late 80's that there was NO Supply Sergeant or Quartermaster in the military that gave the same information to ANYONE on how to secure the clips...but after enough 'worn out, total fail' clips, I learned that if you take a bread tie and ran it through the top ring of the slider, and the TOP BAIL of the belt-segment, the clip would NEVER OPEN again unless you removed the bread tie. You're running it all up and around the belt is a bad way to break a tie...where micro zip-ties would do just what a bread tie would...stop the clip from opening.
True, that would do it. I have never had a clip open up by itself though...
I know one thing I learned something today I do have those clips on my bags some places so that did help me keep my clip down
No problems. Either way of securing them does the job. Zip ties are probably the easiest way...
They’re actually slide keepers because they were used before Alice was a thing in late korea and throughout vietnam...
Good to know...
Maybe just zip tie the top of the belt enclosure and the top pull loop together. The zip tie would also take up any slack at the top of the belt.
There are a few ways to do it, you just have to find the one that you like...
I always hated the Alice clips, which held things loosely and were sometimes a pain to take off and put on. I replaced them whenever I could.
I really don't mind the clips, mine are pretty tight and hold well. I have carried a lot of stuff on my belt rig and never had them dig into my sides.
If you twist the tie wraps off instead of cutting them, you won’t have a sharp edge. Good video.
That works too...
To everyone who never had a clip come loose: try jumping out of a perfectly good c130 with that ALICE gear untied ! First off , your squad leader ain't gonna be none too happy , and you're gonna be missing important items.
Exactly. Best to tie them down than deal with the squad leader lol
I wish I had this class back inn 1992 when I was in the Army. lol
Just my take on how to secure those clips
I'm planning on digging out my Alice clips for my pistol belt, Bec I dislike the molle mag pouch design it's garbage, luckily I have all my Alice clips stored in a storage container somewhere in my barn in the loft
I am an ALICE man myself but I have and use a few MOLLE pouches...
@@FloridaBoyBushcraftSurvival all my new issue Russian AK mag pouches I bought are all molle I have 20 round mag pouch made in Russia, and 30 round Russian mag pouch they have those garbage molle snap button and Velcro design and I just put my Alice clips on em way better than the molle set up
How about just using reusable zip ties? They come in various widths and lengths. One advantage is that equipment is removable, when you want to. Cheaper than Malice clips. Zip ties can break, but they need lots of stress or exposure to UV (sun) light to do so, according to my experience.
You could totally do that...I like the paracord way myself
Matt great video again diden't know this Thanks .
No problems, thanks for watching...
Never had an Alice clip come loose if tension is properly adjusted you will need pliers to open them .. of course there has been many many more years of use on them since my days serving .. 35 to be exact .. so I can where you can get ahold of loose ones
Great tip .. maybe I'll have a chance to show you how to tighten them up
I have never had them come loose either. but I guess there is always a first time...lol
Yeah I don't like Alice backpacks I used to have one when I was I still got mine I just don't use it no more I don't leave you don't even like the racks for it but learning something I sure appreciate that thank you for the share
They are not the most comfortable packs in the world...lol
this is infact easier when its off the ruck sir but to do this while its attached is a task so zip ties yes
It is easier that way. I like both methods, the zips and the paracord...
Hehehhe....or just bend it a little if it's ''weak'' and it is gonna be ''strong'' as it is new.
Greetings from Croatia.
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Lol...exactly. that is a little known trick but an effective one
i've never needed a screwdriver, a pair of pliers, and a piece of paracord to secure my gear with MOLLE lol. i think alice was replaced for a good reason
Probably but it still works great and very inexpensive
How much water. should I put in a canteen? I'm worried the fabric will tear if I put too much water.
+Sokol Go ahead and fill it all the way up. The fabric is very tough, it will not tear...
+FloridaBoy Survival Thanks for the reply, but what about my cheap backpack?
I don't know what type of backpack you have but if it is not milspec it may tear...
@@ale661 Buy a webbing belt (like in the video) and place your canteen(s) on that. They are not that expensive.
Why do a square knot and back it up with a double overhand, when you could have just done the double overhand and been done with it?
Just to keep it secure...
I have minimal experience with ALICE clips, but, watching this, it seems to me that you're missing a beat in not utilizing the C-bend at the bottom of the clip as well as the eye.
You can do it a couple of different ways...
Well done. Thank you for the explanation. Just subscribed and looking forward to viewing more of your videos.
Thanks man....
Thanks for showing this trick matt!
maybe next week you'll get a Canteen Cup Tuesday vid from me
That would be awesome. I have been trying to get one myself, but dodging our massive afternoon thunderstorms and the fact that we are still in a rainfall deficit and in a burn ban, it is tough for me to get one.
Yupp. That works real good...Thank You...
Thanks. It works well, everyone tells you to do it but noone shows you how...lol
You should also spin the 550 cord knot so it will be on the side of the gear, not rubbing against the individual wearing the belt.
That is why you gut the paracord so it doesnt rub. Also so you can spin it to the inside...
Great video thanks for sharing
Thanks!
*saves video*
Late reply but Thanks!
Good Video/Info!!!!!
Glad it was helpful!
thumbed it up - thx - this is like 100,000 years after the fact, but they sure did a crappy job making those alice clips didn't they? i mean they could have made'em lock into place, but they just didn't.
Yeah, some are good and some are bad. If you use them a lot at least one of them usually rusts closed anyway...lol
Thanks this helped me a lot .
No problem!
Thx, must try it this method. 👍
It really hold them on the belt well...
i never had a problem of my alice clips coming apart. why do you? i spent six years in the army.
I have never had one come loose or apart either, but some people say they have.....
Humm I was thought a method that used wire you took a peice and ran it through the eye and behid the belt and over the inside then twisted the ends and tucked under the pouch
You could totally do it that way also. There is no right or wrong way, just a good idea to secure them somehow.
Aw a figure 8 knot on top of a square knot. Cool burritos
thanks! That sucker will never come off...lol
Thanks for the info.
No problem!
Why don’t you just spot weld the clip if yer so concerned yer gonna lose yer gear? Partner, I went thru Nam and a total of 9 years of active Army, plus I brought my Alice gear home with me and used it for camping and after 50 years I have yet to lose a piece of gear off my belt or off my pack without tying it all down. I don’t who it was came up with this dummy cording stuff, but have never, ever experienced the need for it. If you need, then carry on and may you never lose gear in 50 years, also.
When did I say that I was so concerned about a clip coming loose? None of mine are tied down and I have never lost any gear. However, some people have this concern and for them this shows a couple of easy ways that they can feel better about the clips. My ALICE stuff is some of the best outdoor gear that I have, still better than some of the more "modern" garbage that they put out today and charge hundreds of dollars for....
The twist ties were designed to have the tail "twisted" off with a pair of pliers once secured.....
Cutting works well also...
@@FloridaBoyBushcraftSurvival I guess what I was getting at is that it leaves no sharp tail to sand,melt, or get stuck with.
@@christopherdwyer7570 No I got ya. I have never tried it like that but now I have something new to try...lol
I always thought Alice clips really sucked! I could not believe AT the time that this was the best thing that they could come up with!
I am not a fan of the Molly system ether.
They are what you make of them. You can do the same thing with some paracord or a zip tie, I have a video on that too. I have never had a problem with them. I am not a fan of the MOLLE system either lol
Yeah I have no idea why they drop Cialis equipment and went to the mall and Molly garbage although our military's been fighting with a garbage rifle anyhow the M16 and the m4 piece of junk too small of around that tooth bolt get a little bit of dirt in it and jams every time the m4 M16 and all the variants of it or garbage they need to do is go to a 30 cal round like a 7.62x39 or 5.45x39 something other than that overpowered copper jacket at 22 that they use AKA 5.56 mm or for the civilians out there 223 yeah my opinion of it it's an overpowered pepper jacket at 22 but the ls equipment is better than the mole and Molly garbage they got believe me I don't know why the military ever switched stupidity I guess
I agree, I think. That was hard to read lol
@Mike Arnold yes I have and the 7.62has a heavy punch at close range the 5.56is a good round at close range at distance no the 5.56 bullet is nothing more than a overpowered copper jacketed 22 the bullet from a 223 is the same as the bullet from a 5.56 both are nothing but an overpowered copper jacketed 22 the only difference between the two is of the casing.
Otherwise it's a piece of crap.
Im going to this method you shown in 2024
Thanks!
a shoelace might work easier being that it is flat with its nub end
True. It would work with anything that you can get to lay flat...