I hope that I didn't hurt someone's feelings with this. Just being objective cause I didn't got any money from Bahco or the Silky. I'm using saws for almost a decade now,and I recommend both saws any time. But,for me,I'll stick with the laplander. Feel free to comment! Have a nice week,Simon
Ciao Simon. Interesting video. I personally think that a "survival folding saw" should be a simple and sturdy and stupid tool. You take it out and cut wood. No special training and care should be needed. So if special care is needed even to cut a small log, well... it's simply not that hard stuff... and not the kind of tool I'll take with me and eventually rely on trying to survive. When in troubles not all of us have time and patience to perform a perfect cutting movement, let's be real. This channel is about surviving, right? I'd go (and I have one) with the Bahco. Ciao!
I think it should be noted that you can carry replacement blades for the silky. I'm not sure about the bahco. The silky blades are probably much harder and will therefore last longer under heavy use; but be more brittle, especially in the cold. They say grandsfer bruks axes suffer chipping problems in extream cold. Yet, Nobody would dispute that a grandsfer bruks axe is a great axe. Everything has a trade off. It doesn't mean it's bad.
Survivaland Hey man I've been following you for a while and I like your vids. Not that I'm triggered by this I don't even have a silky saw but it broke because it got stuck. It got stuck because you use the same technique of cutting as you do with a regular saw which the silky is not. The silky cuts only on the pull and when you exert force downwards while pushing you increase the risk of jamming it and eventually breaking it. Furthermore you are wasting energy without increasing performance. Your arm movement when cutting with a Silky should resemble that of the iron bar connecting the wheels of a train. You should slightly detach the blade from the bottom and efortlessly push it then force it down while pulling and repeat. If you are curious to check out the proper use and more thoughts on the silky you may check Survival Russia's channel. Lars is a great guy and I enjoy all his content he's quite pragmatic and fairly intelligent from my point of view. Thanks for the content man and keep it up!
Wow! I just learned, because of the comments, how protective people can be of whichever saw they prefer. The man said they’re both great saws. No argument there. It seems his main point is that if placed into a true survival situation, he’d rather have a Bahco. I’d hate to have my saw break while I’m freezing and desperately trying to gather firewood. Regardless, use whichever you trust most based on your own experience, not other people’s. Cheers.
Laplander cuts on push and pull. Silky is pull saw. Silky has thinner and hardened steel blade, which cuts much faster but may break if it binds in the cut and you push hard. Use the tool correctly and you won't have problems. If a pocket knife blade snaps because you're using it like a screwdriver, it's not the blade's fault. Same principle with push & pull saw vs pull saw.
This is just a difference in hardening. A hardend steel will snap, but it will retain an edge. A soft steel will bend, but not retain an edge. Thats all. Good video. Thank you.
yup. in real life you can probably cut 100's of 3 inch pine poles with 0 problems with either brand if you don't twist the saw and cut into the soil with the worst possible technique as displayed. worry less about the tools and learn to undercut and pack a spare blade and pivot bolt
But also in relation to steel type, carbon steel vs stainless and depend on variant and of course hardening and how well it is hardened. Is the Silky stainless?
good comment . i see what he means but like you said deffinetly a matter of material . also a matter of technique. still good to know considering I'm new to silky . got one for the amount of dead fall in my yard that i stack up for the fire pit.
Many saws have differential hardened blades with only the teeth being really hard. In fact you can check it out on cheap replaceable blades. The teeth are kinda black. A blade this fragile is liability. And I dont like the Bahco bend either. They both suck. Let's see, there' Husqarna too. They could have it right
I bought my father silky big boy (yellow handle) and he cut ONLY through spruce board and after 2 mounts the blade teeth was retired.... SILKY IS NOT DIAMOND
Thank you for your honest video. I currently have a silky gomboy and it cuts great. However, I will admit that i do worry about it breaking when it gets stuck in the wood. I wouldn’t mind having the Laplander as backup. No hurt feelings here. I appreciate honesty. Rock on, dude.👍
Bahco uses a softer spring steel allowing it to flex which is both good and bad as it won't hold an edge as well as the Silky saw. The silky is made with a harder steel which will hold an edge better but won't flex as much, the harder the steel the more brittle. It is up to you to decide between performance or durability.
@@maurycyzych3129 exactly that's why saw zall blades have bi metal construction witch was invented by Sandvik Bahco so the teeth are hard and the blade doesn't shatter.
‘A bad workman blames his tools…’Get a Silky Zubat,and see what you think of it. I’ve had my Zubat for four years,and have only just replaced the dull blade. Use it most days in my job.
The quote about blaming your tools refers to blaming your tools for the poor quality of your work. Evaluating the relative durability of two tools has nothing to do with that. Silky makes a nice saw, and this video isn’t meant to say they don’t. But the design appears to have some trade offs - hardness and edge retention traded for being a bit more brittle. If you’re careful not to side load it you may never have an issue and the Silky might be the best choice for your needs.
@faultroy Who mentioned survival you self righteous prick? This is a test of durability, not how wannabe bear grylls like you need a saw that can withstand a nuclear blast. Hundreds of people who work for a living use these saws and use them hard. Get you head out of your ass and realize that if people managed to survive for thousands of years with sharp rocks a fragile man like you can handle a saw not living up to your overblown expectations.
I've owned a silky gomboy 270 and a bigboy 360 for years with no problems . Laplanders are too small for my liking in the forest I go to . It's a matter of using you tools properly ! Simple as that !
That's a pretty valid point. I never did a flex test on a laplander. I have also never broken a silky but am an arborist who uses them daily. I suppose if I wanted a laplander replacement that cut that slowly with it's tough steel I'd get a Sawzall blade wrapped in duct tape for much cheaper
I like how you managed to make your point so elegantly. Yes. I agree, if I need something I can rely on no matter what itll end up being an even cheaper sawzall blade duct taped to an ergonomic branch. For a long trip in the woods i can stick that blade somewhere next to my Silky.
That was painful to watch and reminds me of two old English sayings:- a) Let the SAW do the work and b) A Bad Workman Always Blames His Tools. You not only misused the folding saws, but you also didn't position your wood correctly causing it to close and pinch your blade. There are far more quality folding saws on the market other than just Bahco and SILKY which have become 'must have brand names' for Outdoors/Survival/Bushcraft channels, but I could have cut that wood more easily and more quickly with a $5 Lidl Supermarket folding saw using a correct sawing technique. Last year, I used a Fiskars Xtractable that was given back to me with a bent blade which eventually broke at its weakest point near the handle and this year, I have been using a Wolf Garten and considering it gets used almost every day, I cannot complain as it has no deformities and still cuts well. I am yet to unpack my Silky Pocket Boy as I have a host of other brands to try out first. In addition, I have a Bahco Orange version of the Laplander that I allow my numerous Volunteers to use around the Smallholding and although it can cut on the forward and backwards stroke, I teach them to only use the backwards stroke. I was surprised to hear so many Volunteers say that they had used folding saws before, but were never shown how to use them properly and why they often broke them. Mine is still intact and straight. You said, I believe that SILKY sent you their saw for you to try out? If so, you were lucky as most of us have to pay for our tools and would never consider putting them through a destruction test by misuse. Next someone will send you an Axe and perhaps you will misuse that by chopping rock and show us how the cutting edge loses chunks of metal. Anyway, I have most probably slated you somewhat, but I cannot stand BS on any Channel whether they have 10 or 1 Million subscribers and will say so. Merry Christmas from Bulgaria.
Lesson is, treat your tools with respect. If you don't know how to treat your tools with respect, buy a laplander. Or carry a spare silky blade because you know that silky makes a superior product.
How about a demonstration video on how to use and how not to abuse a folding saw. Example.. Jamming and pinching the blade.... Speed or aggressiveness of use.... Its maybe boring but necessary..
This happened only on pine. Every other wood performed fine. Simply,Laplander never snapped on pine in 5 years,silky did twice. After it snapped I continued with the laplander. I gues that says enough 🌲🌲
Nothing against laplander but i have a silky bigboy 2000 65tpi and i never snapped it once. I work in the building trades and use all kinds of saws and grinders and blades and i have knowledge and experience that translates well when using a silky. The silky is actually very fussy and specific in the method that you use. Almost like a chainsaw cant be used in just any old way that you want.
Sounds like you're pushing and pulling the saw through the wood. You're only supposed to cut on the draw with the Silky and let it pass back through the wood forward without any pressure. It's a Japanese carpentry technique. If you focus your energy on drawing it back towards you, you'll cut more. Also, these are pruning saws, not bucking saws. You are misusing them. If you want to cut wood that big, you're going to need the appropriate saw for the task instead of using a pruning saw to do a crosscut saw's work. :)
I have visited many bushcraft channels and watched the ongoing Bahco vs. Silky tests. They ARE ENTERTAINING for viewers. I feel the Laplander is more of a 'bug out bag' favorite than it is a survival tool for longer periods in the woods, especially in cold weather when larger logs are needed for long fires. The Silky line seems best designed for use in orchards or managed tree plantations for the trimming of small limbs. My preferred saw is a moderate-length bow saw such as the Sven Saw pattern. It folds up into itself and packs well and it deploys easily. Replacement blades are inexpensive and widely available (in the USA.) A skilled saw man can sharpen that blade in the field...but I cannot. These things are what woodsmen love to discuss!
For the Silky, you need to choose one that is longer so you don't over pull and can make better use of that pull stroke. If you want small, the laplander is better.
I know I'm late to the party but. I have been using my Silky Gomboy 210 for over ten years, it's my favorite saw of all time. At about year four I got an extra blade, just to be safe, not because the original was dull or broken or bent enough to notice with out a good squint from the old mark I eyeball. That "just to be safe" blade is still hanging NIB on same nail I hung in on six years ago. It's not about the blade, it's about how you use it ! I owned a Bahco, lost it about ten years ago. It was my favorite saw of all time, until... I now have the Gomboy 210 medium tooth, a Bigboy 360 large tooth and a Genki Temagari 500 extra large tooth. In general, the Gb 210 is my my go to for anything smaller than my wrist. The Bb 360 is great but I don't use it as much as the other two. The GT 500 is a BEAST ! When my daughter is old enough, her first saw will likely be a Bahco. It's a great saw !
Why would you want to condition your daughter to bad form by starting with a Bahco? Muscle memory is hard to correct. That is why you see so many professional bush crafters break Silky saw blades.
I got a Bahco Laplander recently and I saw videos of people comparing them to Silky saws. I did not regret buying the Laplander but I was sad to see it did not cut as well as the Silky. But this video makes me happy again that I bought the Laplander. I have it in my edc bag, it weighs almost nothing, and it cuts well, and it is very durable. Thank you.
you held the short end of the log' that pinch the blade and the end could not take the pressure . always hang on to the long end of you work piece so the end is not under upward stress.
My guess is Silky heat treat hardens teeth too much and becomes brittle, combined with the required sharp narrow transitions for the teeth creates a stress riser which may lead to breaks.
Seems pretty simple to me. If you can depend on yourself to use the saw as it is intended (a pull cut) I would go with the Silky saw all day everyday. If there is a chance you would accidentally use a push cut (lack of experience or you're cold and not paying attention) get a different saw...
wrong, harder steels can sporadically break under the effort a saw has to be. You can baby it perfectly and this is still entirely possible. luck of the draw, roll of the dice.
Hello my friend , I'm new to your channel buddy . I'm a old pro tree climber , I started using silky saws in the early 90s .not sure about your test ! Remember silky has been accepted by our arb community for years and I've never snapped a silky . Try using it 100 ft up a tree and then you will change your mind . Everything can be broken and if you abuse your saws they will break . Pointless excesise really butt .nice channel ☠👍👍👍⛏💙
Interesting, and I appreciate the honesty in the video and the comments. I have always wanted to buy a Silky saw, I never hear anything but great reviews. I don't think this video changes this, just points out some things to be aware of. I have three Bahco saws like in the video (great for my kids also), I have bent them and straightened them. I think both have a place, and both are great saws. The end game seems to be in the users experience, skill in good technique and the understanding of each saws weaknesses!
good video. I own silky saws and I've broke them. I keep using them though. cause I love how fast they cut compared to other saws. my current favorite is the silky big boy.. she makes short work of cutting
I own both and take the silky out the most. It just saws a lot quicker and takes less effort. Jammed mine quite a few times without it ever bending or snapping. The bottom line is take the laplander if your life (or at least weekend) depends on it, bring the silky if you know how to handle it and are willing to accept the small risk of breaking it and ruining your day.
I bought the Bahco after considering both of these saws-the reason-durability and learning curve. I am not a “finesse” kind of person. I am rough on gear. I don’t want to worry about the blade while on a trip. Also if a friend uses it they won’t have to worry either about technique or being careful. I realize I am sacrificing some cutting speed and sharpness.
I learned a lot by this video. 1. Don't bend your saw like a jerk. 2. Never lend your saw to anybody. 3. Don't waste your time with ridiculous youtube-vids.
I carry an axe as well as a saw, so for my use the Silky is the superior choice, since I still have the axe as backup if the Silky did break, but I still get the better cutting performance of the Silky when I do use it. Only carrying a single tool and not wanting it to fail? The Bahco is arguably the better choice for it's ruggedness.
The silky is a harder steel, it will hold a sharp edge longer. But harder steels are more brittle. It will only bent so far till it snaps. A bulldozer and a Lamborghini is smashed to a wall. The lambo is finished, the bulldozer is fine. Is the bulldozer a Better car?
Sorry to many videos I've seen with silkys breaking with experienced bushcrafters, you've got to think about reliability before speed and for the few less strokes you need with a silky, bahco every time, they're indestructible
Exelent video, it explains the difference between the Silky and the Bahco. The Silky cuts mutch better and is faster but will break if you accedendly bend it , the Laplander will last you a lifetime... I just ordered a Silky outback pocketboy , but my Bahco Laplander will rescue me when the Silky breaks 🙂
I agree, I'd rather have a saw that bends but doesn't break even if it can't cut as fast. I use a Bahco myself. I've never owned a Silky but have been watching reviews of it and have decided to stick with the Bahco because its more reliable.
I will still go for silky. However in your wider you have pointed out differences between both of them very well. Different steels and heat treatment make silky more fragile. Good video.
silky are good, in fact i just ordered one my self, but upon researching, any time the silky is pitted against another saw, i saw silky fans irrationally attacking anyone who said the silky was not perfect in every way and that other saws were superior in certain aspects or for different uses. this is not to say that it isn't a good saw, but the most common issue people had with silky was the blades breaking, same as you.
well done!...ignore the haters...i would never depend on any saw as a long term solo survival tool, especially a folding saw as they are already broken in the middle...same goes for a folding knife...LOL...atb...woods
I'm smart enough to know how to use a Silky saw. I'm also smart enough not to waste money and energy on a lesser tool. Laplanders are ok for the money, but they are no match for a Silky when used correctly, and they will CERTAINLY dull faster forcing you to work harder. Buy a Silky and learn how to use it...Simple.
ohh this hurts to watch... I hate and love the destruction test at the same time. I hate how the tools are treated but at the same time I love to see how much they can take. And I can also say for my laplander saw that it only bends, I bent a tip (last 3cm) to almost 90 degrees and than straighten it back out and it is still ok, but I didn't do it on purpose.
I have both! I do a lot of camping/hicking/hunting. I have a bigboy thats stays in my car for the wood on the camp site but i always have my laplander in my backpack for when i go hunting. I rather have something that is less efficient but more solid if i’m lost while hunting. But at the camp site i prefer having a tool that is more efficient! Nice videos!
The Bahco Laplander is such a ridiculously slow cutting saw, and the teeth dull in about a day. When using a Silky saw, you are not supposed to apply any pressure to each cut, just let the saw do the work for you; that’s what makes Silky saws much better than any other folding saws around. If you know how to properly use a saw, it will never break in a billion years. Remember it’s a saw, not a pry bar, it’s supposed to saw materials.
Was just about to buy a silky.... So glad I saw this... Youre absolutely right... Your saw needs to be anti snap... Not to mention potential eye injury... Good review
I have had a Bahco for years and it’s never let me down. I love new tech and tools and would love a Silky but after watching a LOT of these comparisons i realised my Bahco is half the price and still with me, going strong.. So... Sorry silky!!
You were binding the blade, something hard to do with the Silky since it is ground to minimize that. I could tell by the video you used it wrong. I've found Bahco to be one of the worst. That is an observation from personal experience, real not internet, imaginary survival.
And yet the video proves a point that your anecdotal "experience" fails to refute: The Bohco is the more forgiving and durable tool compared to the Silky.
I’ma still take a Silky. Not cause I’m discounting your review, but because the cutting performance is a night and day difference. All you’ve gotta really do is be more careful and relax your muscles a bit more - let the saw do the work.
Silly saws cut only on the pull motion. In other words: to cut you need to pull back and down the move forward and up-relieving pressure off the blade. Think of an oval motion. I hope this helps you.
The Laplander needs to be that tough because it binds up so easily in the wood. Silky saws are more fragile but they cut faster and don't bind up as badly. I also think a lot of people break Silky saws because they use the same technique on a Silky as they would on a normal push saw. Using a Silky saw, I'd be sawing at about half the speed you were using, in the video with a more exxagerated lift on the forward stroke and long drag on the pull stroke. This way the blade is only being put under any kind of tension on the pull stroke and is unlikely to get bound up and almost impossible to snap. And I bet I'd still get through the same thickness of wood faster than someone sawing at twice the speed with the Laplander.
Great video. I agree, no matter how well a saw cuts won't matter if it breaks on you. I would rather have a cheap $10 saw that works rather then a $100 saw that breaks in 3 pieces. 👍💪
I have that Corona RAZOR Tooth folding saw, cause I saw the reviews that others have done, and I bought it cause of the value and ease of obtaining it at our big hardware/tool stores here in the U.S. I meant to use it for camping, but ended up using it most to trim the Bamboo in my garden!!!
Silky saws, the choice of professional arborists......The blade will break if you abuse it so keep a spare in your vehicle. If you going where you cannot carry spares ? ...... take the Bahco.
If reliability & cutting performance is what u want go with the agawa canyon folding bow saws, I have the 21" but they do a 15" & 24" as well. Probably not a fair comparison but my 21" takes a big greasy dump all over both the bahco & gomboy. I actually use the 21" bahco drywood blade in my agawa canyon saw, super cheap blades where I am & just as good as the agawa canyon brand blades but cost 1/3 as much, literally get 3 bahco blades for the price of one agawa canyon blade. Tested them side by side & there is no difference in cutting performance. Also worth noting that a bow saw is waaaaay more comfortable, especially if you're processing a lot of wood, much more natural motion for the wrist & arm when sawing compared to a folding silky/bahco.
Hi ! Nice video and it show strenght with both saws. I have a Coghlans Sierra Saw og gomboy 240. The Coghlans saw are very like the laplander. Very light, flexible og it is always with me in daytrips and in areas I know well. You kan use it instead of of an much heavier chopping knife or camp axe. Making a fire with small wood with a small saw and knife are then ease. But: When I am in unknown areas, and in wet conditions, it is gomboy and campingaxe/chopping knife are my friends. You can use much biggers pieces and use the dry inner parts of thick wood to get the fire going. With gomboy 240 I can start processesing larger pieces that would be a nightmare with a laplander or sierra saw. I will recommend the Coghlans sierra saw highly, very good value for the money.
Great review buddy. As I say "the proof is in the pudding". The Bahco has been around for years - deservedly so, though it uses 14C steel which is less brittle than the the silky's SK4 IMO. Less money too! Silky is good but the laplander will last , ATB C
Predy cool vid, but i never get stuck with saws because i am carrefull with sawing these saws so yeah... But still you are you, me is me, so you choose for Bahco Laplender, and I go for Silky gomboy 210. COOL VID BRO!!!
both are great saws, the silky accel in the speed of sawing through wood. but i rather sacrifice the speed while sawing through wood than having my saw breaking, and i need to trust a saw that is reliable in the jungle.
So, i understand that i have to be a bit smart not to destroy a Silky blade. I will go with any other saw that it's not japanese, this guys know sh*t about steel, blades, saws or anything else. Thank you for opening my eyes.
The same happened to me with a Fiskars. That, too, is a great saw, its cutting performance is comparable to that of the Silky, but it's also a similar blade - thinner, longer teeth - and it broke on me, so now I'm back to the Laplander, too, but that Fisars was a real cutter, much better than the Bahco.
Silky is a great saw for backyard chores, like you said I wouldn't want to be out in the woods far from home and have it break, maybe if I had one of the really big silkys I could use one of the larger pieces to continue cutting but I think I'll just bring my Bacho saw. Thanks for the video.
Perhaps the Silky works better in perfect conditions....but in agreement with quite a few of the comments, survival situations are rarely perfect. I personally have been looking for a handheld saw for setting up trees to hunt out of and hardly ever get perfect cutting angles or ideal environments so I ordered the Bahco and the more reviews I watch the happier I am with my choice.
The Silky saw broke because you did not support the log correctly. If the area underneath the saw is completely free the log will bend towards the ground, due to the gap you create. This makes the blade stuck and as you know: The Silky saw blades are very brittle, they will snap if the get stuck. Avoid using the saw like you did. Ensure the log doesn't close the gap.
I hope that I didn't hurt someone's feelings with this. Just being objective cause I didn't got any money from Bahco or the Silky.
I'm using saws for almost a decade now,and I recommend both saws any time. But,for me,I'll stick with the laplander. Feel free to comment!
Have a nice week,Simon
Ciao Simon. Interesting video. I personally think that a "survival folding saw" should be a simple and sturdy and stupid tool. You take it out and cut wood. No special training and care should be needed. So if special care is needed even to cut a small log, well... it's simply not that hard stuff... and not the kind of tool I'll take with me and eventually rely on trying to survive. When in troubles not all of us have time and patience to perform a perfect cutting movement, let's be real. This channel is about surviving, right? I'd go (and I have one) with the Bahco. Ciao!
I think it should be noted that you can carry replacement blades for the silky. I'm not sure about the bahco. The silky blades are probably much harder and will therefore last longer under heavy use; but be more brittle, especially in the cold. They say grandsfer bruks axes suffer chipping problems in extream cold. Yet, Nobody would dispute that a grandsfer bruks axe is a great axe. Everything has a trade off. It doesn't mean it's bad.
Great video by the way! 👍
Survivaland
Hey man I've been following you for a while and I like your vids. Not that I'm triggered by this I don't even have a silky saw but it broke because it got stuck. It got stuck because you use the same technique of cutting as you do with a regular saw which the silky is not. The silky cuts only on the pull and when you exert force downwards while pushing you increase the risk of jamming it and eventually breaking it. Furthermore you are wasting energy without increasing performance. Your arm movement when cutting with a Silky should resemble that of the iron bar connecting the wheels of a train. You should slightly detach the blade from the bottom and efortlessly push it then force it down while pulling and repeat. If you are curious to check out the proper use and more thoughts on the silky you may check Survival Russia's channel. Lars is a great guy and I enjoy all his content he's quite pragmatic and fairly intelligent from my point of view.
Thanks for the content man and keep it up!
You can buy spare blades for bahco. 3 blades for around 20 bucks.
Wow! I just learned, because of the comments, how protective people can be of whichever saw they prefer. The man said they’re both great saws. No argument there. It seems his main point is that if placed into a true survival situation, he’d rather have a Bahco. I’d hate to have my saw break while I’m freezing and desperately trying to gather firewood. Regardless, use whichever you trust most based on your own experience, not other people’s. Cheers.
Laplander cuts on push and pull. Silky is pull saw. Silky has thinner and hardened steel blade, which cuts much faster but may break if it binds in the cut and you push hard. Use the tool correctly and you won't have problems. If a pocket knife blade snaps because you're using it like a screwdriver, it's not the blade's fault. Same principle with push & pull saw vs pull saw.
This is just a difference in hardening. A hardend steel will snap, but it will retain an edge. A soft steel will bend, but not retain an edge. Thats all. Good video. Thank you.
yup. in real life you can probably cut 100's of 3 inch pine poles with 0 problems with either brand if you don't twist the saw and cut into the soil with the worst possible technique as displayed. worry less about the tools and learn to undercut and pack a spare blade and pivot bolt
But also in relation to steel type, carbon steel vs stainless and depend on variant and of course hardening and how well it is hardened. Is the Silky stainless?
good comment . i see what he means but like you said deffinetly a matter of material . also a matter of technique. still good to know considering I'm new to silky . got one for the amount of dead fall in my yard that i stack up for the fire pit.
Many saws have differential hardened blades with only the teeth being really hard.
In fact you can check it out on cheap replaceable blades. The teeth are kinda black. A blade this fragile is liability. And I dont like the Bahco bend either. They both suck. Let's see, there' Husqarna too. They could have it right
I bought my father silky big boy (yellow handle) and he cut ONLY through spruce board and after 2 mounts the blade teeth was retired.... SILKY IS NOT DIAMOND
Thank you for your honest video. I currently have a silky gomboy and it cuts great. However, I will admit that i do worry about it breaking when it gets stuck in the wood. I wouldn’t mind having the Laplander as backup. No hurt feelings here. I appreciate honesty. Rock on, dude.👍
Bahco uses a softer spring steel allowing it to flex which is both good and bad as it won't hold an edge as well as the Silky saw. The silky is made with a harder steel which will hold an edge better but won't flex as much, the harder the steel the more brittle. It is up to you to decide between performance or durability.
Bahco making selective heat treatment, just on the saw teeth, not the whole blade. And you can see on the video why its better idea.
Silky probably break before a bahco would dull
@@maurycyzych3129 Silky also does selective heat treatment for the teeth but yeah, looks like silky does use a harder steel overall and less springy.
@@maurycyzych3129 exactly that's why saw zall blades have bi metal construction witch was invented by Sandvik Bahco so the teeth are hard and the blade doesn't shatter.
‘A bad workman blames his tools…’Get a Silky Zubat,and see what you think of it.
I’ve had my Zubat for four years,and have only just replaced the dull blade. Use it most days in my job.
The quote about blaming your tools refers to blaming your tools for the poor quality of your work. Evaluating the relative durability of two tools has nothing to do with that.
Silky makes a nice saw, and this video isn’t meant to say they don’t. But the design appears to have some trade offs - hardness and edge retention traded for being a bit more brittle. If you’re careful not to side load it you may never have an issue and the Silky might be the best choice for your needs.
interesting to see the outcome ,but who in their right minds would treat either saw like that in proper use ?
Noone. This is flex test vid,not how to use saw vid 😊
yes,i gathered that buddy :)
if that was really the way you treated your tools,you'd have to get someone else to tie your bootlaces haha :)
Those two are meant for this test purpose. I love my knives and tools and put a lot of love in them 😊
Lmao,I'll bring my mom next time.
@faultroy Who mentioned survival you self righteous prick? This is a test of durability, not how wannabe bear grylls like you need a saw that can withstand a nuclear blast.
Hundreds of people who work for a living use these saws and use them hard. Get you head out of your ass and realize that if people managed to survive for thousands of years with sharp rocks a fragile man like you can handle a saw not living up to your overblown expectations.
@@stevolution2011 the silky wasn’t bent like that when it was broke the first time. Silky Stan fanboy
I've owned a silky gomboy 270 and a bigboy 360 for years with no problems . Laplanders are too small for my liking in the forest I go to . It's a matter of using you tools properly ! Simple as that !
That's a pretty valid point. I never did a flex test on a laplander. I have also never broken a silky but am an arborist who uses them daily. I suppose if I wanted a laplander replacement that cut that slowly with it's tough steel I'd get a Sawzall blade wrapped in duct tape for much cheaper
I like how you managed to make your point so elegantly. Yes. I agree, if I need something I can rely on no matter what itll end up being an even cheaper sawzall blade duct taped to an ergonomic branch. For a long trip in the woods i can stick that blade somewhere next to my Silky.
That was painful to watch and reminds me of two old English sayings:- a) Let the SAW do the work and b) A Bad Workman Always Blames His Tools. You not only misused the folding saws, but you also didn't position your wood correctly causing it to close and pinch your blade.
There are far more quality folding saws on the market other than just Bahco and SILKY which have become 'must have brand names' for Outdoors/Survival/Bushcraft channels, but I could have cut that wood more easily and more quickly with a $5 Lidl Supermarket folding saw using a correct sawing technique.
Last year, I used a Fiskars Xtractable that was given back to me with a bent blade which eventually broke at its weakest point near the handle and this year, I have been using a Wolf Garten and considering it gets used almost every day, I cannot complain as it has no deformities and still cuts well. I am yet to unpack my Silky Pocket Boy as I have a host of other brands to try out first. In addition, I have a Bahco Orange version of the Laplander that I allow my numerous Volunteers to use around the Smallholding and although it can cut on the forward and backwards stroke, I teach them to only use the backwards stroke. I was surprised to hear so many Volunteers say that they had used folding saws before, but were never shown how to use them properly and why they often broke them. Mine is still intact and straight.
You said, I believe that SILKY sent you their saw for you to try out? If so, you were lucky as most of us have to pay for our tools and would never consider putting them through a destruction test by misuse. Next someone will send you an Axe and perhaps you will misuse that by chopping rock and show us how the cutting edge loses chunks of metal. Anyway, I have most probably slated you somewhat, but I cannot stand BS on any Channel whether they have 10 or 1 Million subscribers and will say so. Merry Christmas from Bulgaria.
Lesson is, treat your tools with respect. If you don't know how to treat your tools with respect, buy a laplander. Or carry a spare silky blade because you know that silky makes a superior product.
I actually agree with you.
How about a demonstration video on how to use and how not to abuse a folding saw. Example.. Jamming and pinching the blade.... Speed or aggressiveness of use.... Its maybe boring but necessary..
This happened only on pine. Every other wood performed fine. Simply,Laplander never snapped on pine in 5 years,silky did twice. After it snapped I continued with the laplander. I gues that says enough 🌲🌲
Nothing against laplander but i have a silky bigboy 2000 65tpi and i never snapped it once. I work in the building trades and use all kinds of saws and grinders and blades and i have knowledge and experience that translates well when using a silky. The silky is actually very fussy and specific in the method that you use. Almost like a chainsaw cant be used in just any old way that you want.
Ustvari, nije to da ja govorim da je silky najbolja pila jer je to ca san ja kupio, nego da silky nije najbolja pila u sve situacije i za svi ljudi.
Sounds like you're pushing and pulling the saw through the wood. You're only supposed to cut on the draw with the Silky and let it pass back through the wood forward without any pressure. It's a Japanese carpentry technique. If you focus your energy on drawing it back towards you, you'll cut more.
Also, these are pruning saws, not bucking saws. You are misusing them. If you want to cut wood that big, you're going to need the appropriate saw for the task instead of using a pruning saw to do a crosscut saw's work. :)
I have visited many bushcraft channels and watched the ongoing Bahco vs. Silky tests. They ARE ENTERTAINING for viewers. I feel the Laplander is more of a 'bug out bag' favorite than it is a survival tool for longer periods in the woods, especially in cold weather when larger logs are needed for long fires. The Silky line seems best designed for use in orchards or managed tree plantations for the trimming of small limbs. My preferred saw is a moderate-length bow saw such as the Sven Saw pattern. It folds up into itself and packs well and it deploys easily. Replacement blades are inexpensive and widely available (in the USA.) A skilled saw man can sharpen that blade in the field...but I cannot. These things are what woodsmen love to discuss!
I have been using the same Laplander saw for ten years for processing firewood and its never let me down, such a fantastic tool for the money!
For the Silky, you need to choose one that is longer so you don't over pull and can make better use of that pull stroke. If you want small, the laplander is better.
I've been saying it for a long time. The most (under)valued survival tool is the prybar.
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Prybar and also the Light Saber...doubles as a fire starter and defender of the galaxy.
Why is that
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Survival means different things to different people. We all die eventually.
I know I'm late to the party but. I have been using my Silky Gomboy 210 for over ten years, it's my favorite saw of all time. At about year four I got an extra blade, just to be safe, not because the original was dull or broken or bent enough to notice with out a good squint from the old mark I eyeball. That "just to be safe" blade is still hanging NIB on same nail I hung in on six years ago. It's not about the blade, it's about how you use it ! I owned a Bahco, lost it about ten years ago. It was my favorite saw of all time, until...
I now have the Gomboy 210 medium tooth, a Bigboy 360 large tooth and a Genki Temagari 500 extra large tooth. In general, the Gb 210 is my my go to for anything smaller than my wrist. The Bb 360 is great but I don't use it as much as the other two. The GT 500 is a BEAST !
When my daughter is old enough, her first saw will likely be a Bahco. It's a great saw !
Why would you want to condition your daughter to bad form by starting with a Bahco? Muscle memory is hard to correct. That is why you see so many professional bush crafters break Silky saw blades.
And this is why I have stayed with my Bahco Laplander for all these years! Reliability and piece of mind.
I got a Bahco Laplander recently and I saw videos of people comparing them to Silky saws. I did not regret buying the Laplander but I was sad to see it did not cut as well as the Silky. But this video makes me happy again that I bought the Laplander. I have it in my edc bag, it weighs almost nothing, and it cuts well, and it is very durable. Thank you.
you held the short end of the log' that pinch the blade and the end could not take the pressure . always hang on to the long end of you work piece so the end is not under upward stress.
Maybe you should watch Survival Russia video. So you can learn how to properly use a silky saw.
I own an apple orchard. Been using Silky's for years. Never had problems like that...….smdh
My guess is Silky heat treat hardens teeth too much and becomes brittle, combined with the required sharp narrow transitions for the teeth creates a stress riser which may lead to breaks.
Seems pretty simple to me. If you can depend on yourself to use the saw as it is intended (a pull cut) I would go with the Silky saw all day everyday. If there is a chance you would accidentally use a push cut (lack of experience or you're cold and not paying attention) get a different saw...
wrong, harder steels can sporadically break under the effort a saw has to be. You can baby it perfectly and this is still entirely possible. luck of the draw, roll of the dice.
Hello my friend , I'm new to your channel buddy . I'm a old pro tree climber , I started using silky saws in the early 90s .not sure about your test ! Remember silky has been accepted by our arb community for years and I've never snapped a silky . Try using it 100 ft up a tree and then you will change your mind . Everything can be broken and if you abuse your saws they will break . Pointless excesise really butt .nice channel ☠👍👍👍⛏💙
silky saw will stay sharp longer as demonstrated by th harder metal. just dont be a dick with your tools and they will last a long time.
I'm happy I watched this before spending money. A little extreme, but it proves a point.
Just why on earth would you do that to any saw?
To demonstrate the SNAFU that can happen in the field and how forgiving each saw can be when faced with abuse.
Still going with silky
Interesting, and I appreciate the honesty in the video and the comments. I have always wanted to buy a Silky saw, I never hear anything but great reviews. I don't think this video changes this, just points out some things to be aware of. I have three Bahco saws like in the video (great for my kids also), I have bent them and straightened them. I think both have a place, and both are great saws. The end game seems to be in the users experience, skill in good technique and the understanding of each saws weaknesses!
good video. I own silky saws and I've broke them. I keep using them though. cause I love how fast they cut compared to other saws. my current favorite is the silky big boy.. she makes short work of cutting
I own both and take the silky out the most. It just saws a lot quicker and takes less effort. Jammed mine quite a few times without it ever bending or snapping. The bottom line is take the laplander if your life (or at least weekend) depends on it, bring the silky if you know how to handle it and are willing to accept the small risk of breaking it and ruining your day.
Great demo. Thank you. I have never bent my saw that far, but it's good to know its the limits just in case.
I bought the Bahco after considering both of these saws-the reason-durability and learning curve. I am not a “finesse” kind of person. I am rough on gear. I don’t want to worry about the blade while on a trip. Also if a friend uses it they won’t have to worry either about technique or being careful. I realize I am sacrificing some cutting speed and sharpness.
I learned a lot by this video.
1. Don't bend your saw like a jerk.
2. Never lend your saw to anybody.
3. Don't waste your time with ridiculous youtube-vids.
I carry an axe as well as a saw, so for my use the Silky is the superior choice, since I still have the axe as backup if the Silky did break, but I still get the better cutting performance of the Silky when I do use it.
Only carrying a single tool and not wanting it to fail? The Bahco is arguably the better choice for it's ruggedness.
The silky is a harder steel, it will hold a sharp edge longer. But harder steels are more brittle. It will only bent so far till it snaps.
A bulldozer and a Lamborghini is smashed to a wall. The lambo is finished, the bulldozer is fine. Is the bulldozer a Better car?
He never said which was better.
He just demonstrated the durability difference, which is indeed an important consideration.
a honest video. I have had my Bacho laplander for 3 years . I won't buyer he silky saw for safety reasons. thanx dude.
Sorry to many videos I've seen with silkys breaking with experienced bushcrafters, you've got to think about reliability before speed and for the few less strokes you need with a silky, bahco every time, they're indestructible
Is the orange bahco as good as the Laplander? Some say they are the same and others say the black one is more sharp and cuts better.
Is that your dog being possessed by a demon? lol, good video
All three of them are 😂
haha, awesome
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Exelent video, it explains the difference between the Silky and the Bahco. The Silky cuts mutch better and is faster but will break if you accedendly bend it , the Laplander will last you a lifetime... I just ordered a Silky outback pocketboy , but my Bahco Laplander will rescue me when the Silky breaks 🙂
I agree, I'd rather have a saw that bends but doesn't break even if it can't cut as fast.
I use a Bahco myself. I've never owned a Silky but have been watching reviews of it and have decided to stick with the Bahco because its more reliable.
I will still go for silky. However in your wider you have pointed out differences between both of them very well. Different steels and heat treatment make silky more fragile. Good video.
how is the blade of the silky outback series? heard they fixed this issue and some people say its a better laplander now
Good testing different steel. It's all about the Wicked Tree Gear saw they are indescribable and stay sharp. It is a folding hand saw.
i have fiskars for ten years never let me down, you can make arowheads for the bow whit that silky
silky are good, in fact i just ordered one my self, but upon researching, any time the silky is pitted against another saw, i saw silky fans irrationally attacking anyone who said the silky was not perfect in every way and that other saws were superior in certain aspects or for different uses. this is not to say that it isn't a good saw, but the most common issue people had with silky was the blades breaking, same as you.
well done!...ignore the haters...i would never depend on any saw as a long term solo survival tool, especially a folding saw as they are already broken in the middle...same goes for a folding knife...LOL...atb...woods
I'm smart enough to know how to use a Silky saw. I'm also smart enough not to waste money and energy on a lesser tool. Laplanders are ok for the money, but they are no match for a Silky when used correctly, and they will CERTAINLY dull faster forcing you to work harder. Buy a Silky and learn how to use it...Simple.
ohh this hurts to watch... I hate and love the destruction test at the same time. I hate how the tools are treated but at the same time I love to see how much they can take. And I can also say for my laplander saw that it only bends, I bent a tip (last 3cm) to almost 90 degrees and than straighten it back out and it is still ok, but I didn't do it on purpose.
Finally, a good destruction test, bahco 1, silky 0😔
I have both! I do a lot of camping/hicking/hunting. I have a bigboy thats stays in my car for the wood on the camp site but i always have my laplander in my backpack for when i go hunting. I rather have something that is less efficient but more solid if i’m lost while hunting. But at the camp site i prefer having a tool that is more efficient! Nice videos!
Bought two Silky’s a 180 & 210 & waiting for them to arrive.........but now I’ll have a Bacho Laplander coming in the mail just in case...thanks!
Wow nice - how much are they cost ? Tnx for reliable and true testing Have faith in yours opinion about tools
Kod nas je Laplander oko 250ak kuna (dobiješ Moru s njim) a Silky isto u tom rangu ako se ne varam.
The Bahco Laplander is such a ridiculously slow cutting saw, and the teeth dull in about a day. When using a Silky saw, you are not supposed to apply any pressure to each cut, just let the saw do the work for you; that’s what makes Silky saws much better than any other folding saws around. If you know how to properly use a saw, it will never break in a billion years. Remember it’s a saw, not a pry bar, it’s supposed to saw materials.
I have both.just in case
One of the best reviews i have ever seen.
Thanks man
Excellent test ! I have the same results in my experience
Was just about to buy a silky.... So glad I saw this... Youre absolutely right... Your saw needs to be anti snap... Not to mention potential eye injury... Good review
I have had a Bahco for years and it’s never let me down. I love new tech and tools and would love a Silky but after watching a LOT of these comparisons i realised my Bahco is half the price and still with me, going strong..
So... Sorry silky!!
You were binding the blade, something hard to do with the Silky since it is ground to minimize that. I could tell by the video you used it wrong. I've found Bahco to be one of the worst. That is an observation from personal experience, real not internet, imaginary survival.
And yet the video proves a point that your anecdotal "experience" fails to refute:
The Bohco is the more forgiving and durable tool compared to the Silky.
I’ma still take a Silky. Not cause I’m discounting your review, but because the cutting performance is a night and day difference. All you’ve gotta really do is be more careful and relax your muscles a bit more - let the saw do the work.
If you are cutting correctly you wont bend either saw. This is a bad test and review and Im a Bahco user.
He's showing what could potentially happen
Silly saws cut only on the pull motion. In other words: to cut you need to pull back and down the move forward and up-relieving pressure off the blade. Think of an oval motion. I hope this helps you.
Does not matter, saw stuck for a moment you pull and it breaks. Saw hit a rock under the snow, it breaks. A wrong movement, it breaks.
The Laplander needs to be that tough because it binds up so easily in the wood. Silky saws are more fragile but they cut faster and don't bind up as badly. I also think a lot of people break Silky saws because they use the same technique on a Silky as they would on a normal push saw.
Using a Silky saw, I'd be sawing at about half the speed you were using, in the video with a more exxagerated lift on the forward stroke and long drag on the pull stroke. This way the blade is only being put under any kind of tension on the pull stroke and is unlikely to get bound up and almost impossible to snap.
And I bet I'd still get through the same thickness of wood faster than someone sawing at twice the speed with the Laplander.
Thanks for the vid mate. Appreciate your honest review and opinion.
thanks for the demo, like my bahco even more now.
I have a small hatchet. Never broken it. It likes to eat wood.
Great video. I agree, no matter how well a saw cuts won't matter if it breaks on you. I would rather have a cheap $10 saw that works rather then a $100 saw that breaks in 3 pieces. 👍💪
From my experience with pull saws they break when they get stuck. I've had a few and they all broke.
Same here
WOW That Laplander is a very strong saw .. Very good video Man keep up the great work .. Mark....
I have that Corona RAZOR Tooth folding saw, cause I saw the reviews that others have done, and I bought it cause of the value and ease of obtaining it at our big hardware/tool stores here in the U.S.
I meant to use it for camping, but ended up using it most to trim the Bamboo in my garden!!!
It's under $20.00 U.S.D. too which is such a value!!!
Gorilla proof over speed any day.
It could because of the hardening on the silky. That's why it cuts better, but is fragile.
Silky saws, the choice of professional arborists......The blade will break if you abuse it so keep a spare in your vehicle.
If you going where you cannot carry spares ? ...... take the Bahco.
Now I'm glad I went Big Boy...seems Laplander is better for smaller/thinner fast speed stroke saw thanks to the bonkers durability.
If reliability & cutting performance is what u want go with the agawa canyon folding bow saws, I have the 21" but they do a 15" & 24" as well. Probably not a fair comparison but my 21" takes a big greasy dump all over both the bahco & gomboy. I actually use the 21" bahco drywood blade in my agawa canyon saw, super cheap blades where I am & just as good as the agawa canyon brand blades but cost 1/3 as much, literally get 3 bahco blades for the price of one agawa canyon blade. Tested them side by side & there is no difference in cutting performance. Also worth noting that a bow saw is waaaaay more comfortable, especially if you're processing a lot of wood, much more natural motion for the wrist & arm when sawing compared to a folding silky/bahco.
Hi !
Nice video and it show strenght with both saws. I have a Coghlans Sierra Saw og gomboy 240. The Coghlans saw are very like the laplander. Very light, flexible og it is always with me in daytrips and in areas I know well. You kan use it instead of of an much heavier chopping knife or camp axe. Making a fire with small wood with a small saw and knife are then ease.
But: When I am in unknown areas, and in wet conditions, it is gomboy and campingaxe/chopping knife are my friends. You can use much biggers pieces and use the dry inner parts of thick wood to get the fire going. With gomboy 240 I can start processesing larger pieces that would be a nightmare with a laplander or sierra saw.
I will recommend the Coghlans sierra saw highly, very good value for the money.
Agreed.
Longevity over cutting power.
Great review buddy. As I say "the proof is in the pudding". The Bahco has been around for years - deservedly so, though it uses 14C steel which is less brittle than the the silky's SK4 IMO. Less money too! Silky is good but the laplander will last , ATB C
Silky is definitely one of the top fangirl companies in the bushcraft world.
Good Point! Reliabilty Counts Outdoors!
Predy cool vid, but i never get stuck with saws because i am carrefull with sawing these saws so yeah...
But still you are you, me is me, so you choose for Bahco Laplender, and I go for Silky gomboy 210.
COOL VID BRO!!!
Great demonstration
Great video. I’m really liking the Laplander for its durability and longevity. Awesome testing.👍🏼
both are great saws, the silky accel in the speed of sawing through wood. but i rather sacrifice the speed while sawing through wood than having my saw breaking, and i need to trust a saw that is reliable in the jungle.
So, i understand that i have to be a bit smart not to destroy a Silky blade. I will go with any other saw that it's not japanese, this guys know sh*t about steel, blades, saws or anything else. Thank you for opening my eyes.
I won't comparison will more yet! Thanks 👍
The power of the beast steel.
Thanks, good video!
The same happened to me with a Fiskars. That, too, is a great saw, its cutting performance is comparable to that of the Silky, but it's also a similar blade - thinner, longer teeth - and it broke on me, so now I'm back to the Laplander, too, but that Fisars was a real cutter, much better than the Bahco.
I have that problem with gomboy saw too... snap the first time I use it... I love them still...
Silky is a great saw for backyard chores, like you said I wouldn't want to be out in the woods far from home and have it break, maybe if I had one of the really big silkys I could use one of the larger pieces to continue cutting but I think I'll just bring my Bacho saw. Thanks for the video.
Simple; if anyone choose to live off-grid for a year; which one will you pick?
I choose the Laplander.
Perhaps the Silky works better in perfect conditions....but in agreement with quite a few of the comments, survival situations are rarely perfect. I personally have been looking for a handheld saw for setting up trees to hunt out of and hardly ever get perfect cutting angles or ideal environments so I ordered the Bahco and the more reviews I watch the happier I am with my choice.
I'll stick to my laplander, thankyouverymuch!
The Silky saw broke because you did not support the log correctly. If the area underneath the saw is completely free the log will bend towards the ground, due to the gap you create. This makes the blade stuck and as you know: The Silky saw blades are very brittle, they will snap if the get stuck. Avoid using the saw like you did. Ensure the log doesn't close the gap.
That's the difference between toughness and hardness.
You answered the question I was asking myself. I wanted the one that could resist better. And thats It.