I hope that I didn't hurt someone's feelings with this. Just being objective cause I didn't got any money from Bahco or the Silky. I'm using saws for almost a decade now,and I recommend both saws any time. But,for me,I'll stick with the laplander. Feel free to comment! Have a nice week,Simon
Ciao Simon. Interesting video. I personally think that a "survival folding saw" should be a simple and sturdy and stupid tool. You take it out and cut wood. No special training and care should be needed. So if special care is needed even to cut a small log, well... it's simply not that hard stuff... and not the kind of tool I'll take with me and eventually rely on trying to survive. When in troubles not all of us have time and patience to perform a perfect cutting movement, let's be real. This channel is about surviving, right? I'd go (and I have one) with the Bahco. Ciao!
I think it should be noted that you can carry replacement blades for the silky. I'm not sure about the bahco. The silky blades are probably much harder and will therefore last longer under heavy use; but be more brittle, especially in the cold. They say grandsfer bruks axes suffer chipping problems in extream cold. Yet, Nobody would dispute that a grandsfer bruks axe is a great axe. Everything has a trade off. It doesn't mean it's bad.
Survivaland Hey man I've been following you for a while and I like your vids. Not that I'm triggered by this I don't even have a silky saw but it broke because it got stuck. It got stuck because you use the same technique of cutting as you do with a regular saw which the silky is not. The silky cuts only on the pull and when you exert force downwards while pushing you increase the risk of jamming it and eventually breaking it. Furthermore you are wasting energy without increasing performance. Your arm movement when cutting with a Silky should resemble that of the iron bar connecting the wheels of a train. You should slightly detach the blade from the bottom and efortlessly push it then force it down while pulling and repeat. If you are curious to check out the proper use and more thoughts on the silky you may check Survival Russia's channel. Lars is a great guy and I enjoy all his content he's quite pragmatic and fairly intelligent from my point of view. Thanks for the content man and keep it up!
Wow! I just learned, because of the comments, how protective people can be of whichever saw they prefer. The man said they’re both great saws. No argument there. It seems his main point is that if placed into a true survival situation, he’d rather have a Bahco. I’d hate to have my saw break while I’m freezing and desperately trying to gather firewood. Regardless, use whichever you trust most based on your own experience, not other people’s. Cheers.
This is just a difference in hardening. A hardend steel will snap, but it will retain an edge. A soft steel will bend, but not retain an edge. Thats all. Good video. Thank you.
yup. in real life you can probably cut 100's of 3 inch pine poles with 0 problems with either brand if you don't twist the saw and cut into the soil with the worst possible technique as displayed. worry less about the tools and learn to undercut and pack a spare blade and pivot bolt
But also in relation to steel type, carbon steel vs stainless and depend on variant and of course hardening and how well it is hardened. Is the Silky stainless?
good comment . i see what he means but like you said deffinetly a matter of material . also a matter of technique. still good to know considering I'm new to silky . got one for the amount of dead fall in my yard that i stack up for the fire pit.
Many saws have differential hardened blades with only the teeth being really hard. In fact you can check it out on cheap replaceable blades. The teeth are kinda black. A blade this fragile is liability. And I dont like the Bahco bend either. They both suck. Let's see, there' Husqarna too. They could have it right
I bought my father silky big boy (yellow handle) and he cut ONLY through spruce board and after 2 mounts the blade teeth was retired.... SILKY IS NOT DIAMOND
Thank you for your honest video. I currently have a silky gomboy and it cuts great. However, I will admit that i do worry about it breaking when it gets stuck in the wood. I wouldn’t mind having the Laplander as backup. No hurt feelings here. I appreciate honesty. Rock on, dude.👍
That was painful to watch and reminds me of two old English sayings:- a) Let the SAW do the work and b) A Bad Workman Always Blames His Tools. You not only misused the folding saws, but you also didn't position your wood correctly causing it to close and pinch your blade. There are far more quality folding saws on the market other than just Bahco and SILKY which have become 'must have brand names' for Outdoors/Survival/Bushcraft channels, but I could have cut that wood more easily and more quickly with a $5 Lidl Supermarket folding saw using a correct sawing technique. Last year, I used a Fiskars Xtractable that was given back to me with a bent blade which eventually broke at its weakest point near the handle and this year, I have been using a Wolf Garten and considering it gets used almost every day, I cannot complain as it has no deformities and still cuts well. I am yet to unpack my Silky Pocket Boy as I have a host of other brands to try out first. In addition, I have a Bahco Orange version of the Laplander that I allow my numerous Volunteers to use around the Smallholding and although it can cut on the forward and backwards stroke, I teach them to only use the backwards stroke. I was surprised to hear so many Volunteers say that they had used folding saws before, but were never shown how to use them properly and why they often broke them. Mine is still intact and straight. You said, I believe that SILKY sent you their saw for you to try out? If so, you were lucky as most of us have to pay for our tools and would never consider putting them through a destruction test by misuse. Next someone will send you an Axe and perhaps you will misuse that by chopping rock and show us how the cutting edge loses chunks of metal. Anyway, I have most probably slated you somewhat, but I cannot stand BS on any Channel whether they have 10 or 1 Million subscribers and will say so. Merry Christmas from Bulgaria.
@faultroy Who mentioned survival you self righteous prick? This is a test of durability, not how wannabe bear grylls like you need a saw that can withstand a nuclear blast. Hundreds of people who work for a living use these saws and use them hard. Get you head out of your ass and realize that if people managed to survive for thousands of years with sharp rocks a fragile man like you can handle a saw not living up to your overblown expectations.
Laplander cuts on push and pull. Silky is pull saw. Silky has thinner and hardened steel blade, which cuts much faster but may break if it binds in the cut and you push hard. Use the tool correctly and you won't have problems. If a pocket knife blade snaps because you're using it like a screwdriver, it's not the blade's fault. Same principle with push & pull saw vs pull saw.
I've owned a silky gomboy 270 and a bigboy 360 for years with no problems . Laplanders are too small for my liking in the forest I go to . It's a matter of using you tools properly ! Simple as that !
You were binding the blade, something hard to do with the Silky since it is ground to minimize that. I could tell by the video you used it wrong. I've found Bahco to be one of the worst. That is an observation from personal experience, real not internet, imaginary survival.
And yet the video proves a point that your anecdotal "experience" fails to refute: The Bohco is the more forgiving and durable tool compared to the Silky.
Hello my friend , I'm new to your channel buddy . I'm a old pro tree climber , I started using silky saws in the early 90s .not sure about your test ! Remember silky has been accepted by our arb community for years and I've never snapped a silky . Try using it 100 ft up a tree and then you will change your mind . Everything can be broken and if you abuse your saws they will break . Pointless excesise really butt .nice channel ☠👍👍👍⛏💙
For the Silky, you need to choose one that is longer so you don't over pull and can make better use of that pull stroke. If you want small, the laplander is better.
Bahco uses a softer spring steel allowing it to flex which is both good and bad as it won't hold an edge as well as the Silky saw. The silky is made with a harder steel which will hold an edge better but won't flex as much, the harder the steel the more brittle. It is up to you to decide between performance or durability.
@@maurycyzych3129 exactly that's why saw zall blades have bi metal construction witch was invented by Sandvik Bahco so the teeth are hard and the blade doesn't shatter.
‘A bad workman blames his tools…’Get a Silky Zubat,and see what you think of it. I’ve had my Zubat for four years,and have only just replaced the dull blade. Use it most days in my job.
That's a pretty valid point. I never did a flex test on a laplander. I have also never broken a silky but am an arborist who uses them daily. I suppose if I wanted a laplander replacement that cut that slowly with it's tough steel I'd get a Sawzall blade wrapped in duct tape for much cheaper
I like how you managed to make your point so elegantly. Yes. I agree, if I need something I can rely on no matter what itll end up being an even cheaper sawzall blade duct taped to an ergonomic branch. For a long trip in the woods i can stick that blade somewhere next to my Silky.
Lesson is, treat your tools with respect. If you don't know how to treat your tools with respect, buy a laplander. Or carry a spare silky blade because you know that silky makes a superior product.
How about a demonstration video on how to use and how not to abuse a folding saw. Example.. Jamming and pinching the blade.... Speed or aggressiveness of use.... Its maybe boring but necessary..
This happened only on pine. Every other wood performed fine. Simply,Laplander never snapped on pine in 5 years,silky did twice. After it snapped I continued with the laplander. I gues that says enough 🌲🌲
Nothing against laplander but i have a silky bigboy 2000 65tpi and i never snapped it once. I work in the building trades and use all kinds of saws and grinders and blades and i have knowledge and experience that translates well when using a silky. The silky is actually very fussy and specific in the method that you use. Almost like a chainsaw cant be used in just any old way that you want.
Sounds like you're pushing and pulling the saw through the wood. You're only supposed to cut on the draw with the Silky and let it pass back through the wood forward without any pressure. It's a Japanese carpentry technique. If you focus your energy on drawing it back towards you, you'll cut more. Also, these are pruning saws, not bucking saws. You are misusing them. If you want to cut wood that big, you're going to need the appropriate saw for the task instead of using a pruning saw to do a crosscut saw's work. :)
good video. I own silky saws and I've broke them. I keep using them though. cause I love how fast they cut compared to other saws. my current favorite is the silky big boy.. she makes short work of cutting
you held the short end of the log' that pinch the blade and the end could not take the pressure . always hang on to the long end of you work piece so the end is not under upward stress.
Not trying to be a Jerk but you do realize that its a pull saw? Once I learned that I have never had issues with my Silky. Nice vid though I love your dog. lol
Sorry to many videos I've seen with silkys breaking with experienced bushcrafters, you've got to think about reliability before speed and for the few less strokes you need with a silky, bahco every time, they're indestructible
Seems pretty simple to me. If you can depend on yourself to use the saw as it is intended (a pull cut) I would go with the Silky saw all day everyday. If there is a chance you would accidentally use a push cut (lack of experience or you're cold and not paying attention) get a different saw...
wrong, harder steels can sporadically break under the effort a saw has to be. You can baby it perfectly and this is still entirely possible. luck of the draw, roll of the dice.
I'm smart enough to know how to use a Silky saw. I'm also smart enough not to waste money and energy on a lesser tool. Laplanders are ok for the money, but they are no match for a Silky when used correctly, and they will CERTAINLY dull faster forcing you to work harder. Buy a Silky and learn how to use it...Simple.
Harder metal is more brittle. Laplander has cheap softer metal which will Not stay anywhere near as sharp as Silky. Both have their jobs. Silky is too expensive to be a tool of abuse. Laplander? Who gives a shit , they are cheap.
well done!...ignore the haters...i would never depend on any saw as a long term solo survival tool, especially a folding saw as they are already broken in the middle...same goes for a folding knife...LOL...atb...woods
You should not be breathing heavy. Your obviously not using a pull stroke saw correctly. It doesn't matter if it's a silky or whatever brand, your technique is completely wrong or they would never bend that much anyhow.
My guess is Silky heat treat hardens teeth too much and becomes brittle, combined with the required sharp narrow transitions for the teeth creates a stress riser which may lead to breaks.
I have visited many bushcraft channels and watched the ongoing Bahco vs. Silky tests. They ARE ENTERTAINING for viewers. I feel the Laplander is more of a 'bug out bag' favorite than it is a survival tool for longer periods in the woods, especially in cold weather when larger logs are needed for long fires. The Silky line seems best designed for use in orchards or managed tree plantations for the trimming of small limbs. My preferred saw is a moderate-length bow saw such as the Sven Saw pattern. It folds up into itself and packs well and it deploys easily. Replacement blades are inexpensive and widely available (in the USA.) A skilled saw man can sharpen that blade in the field...but I cannot. These things are what woodsmen love to discuss!
I know I'm late to the party but. I have been using my Silky Gomboy 210 for over ten years, it's my favorite saw of all time. At about year four I got an extra blade, just to be safe, not because the original was dull or broken or bent enough to notice with out a good squint from the old mark I eyeball. That "just to be safe" blade is still hanging NIB on same nail I hung in on six years ago. It's not about the blade, it's about how you use it ! I owned a Bahco, lost it about ten years ago. It was my favorite saw of all time, until... I now have the Gomboy 210 medium tooth, a Bigboy 360 large tooth and a Genki Temagari 500 extra large tooth. In general, the Gb 210 is my my go to for anything smaller than my wrist. The Bb 360 is great but I don't use it as much as the other two. The GT 500 is a BEAST ! When my daughter is old enough, her first saw will likely be a Bahco. It's a great saw !
Why would you want to condition your daughter to bad form by starting with a Bahco? Muscle memory is hard to correct. That is why you see so many professional bush crafters break Silky saw blades.
Interesting, and I appreciate the honesty in the video and the comments. I have always wanted to buy a Silky saw, I never hear anything but great reviews. I don't think this video changes this, just points out some things to be aware of. I have three Bahco saws like in the video (great for my kids also), I have bent them and straightened them. I think both have a place, and both are great saws. The end game seems to be in the users experience, skill in good technique and the understanding of each saws weaknesses!
ohh this hurts to watch... I hate and love the destruction test at the same time. I hate how the tools are treated but at the same time I love to see how much they can take. And I can also say for my laplander saw that it only bends, I bent a tip (last 3cm) to almost 90 degrees and than straighten it back out and it is still ok, but I didn't do it on purpose.
The silky is a harder steel, it will hold a sharp edge longer. But harder steels are more brittle. It will only bent so far till it snaps. A bulldozer and a Lamborghini is smashed to a wall. The lambo is finished, the bulldozer is fine. Is the bulldozer a Better car?
Predy cool vid, but i never get stuck with saws because i am carrefull with sawing these saws so yeah... But still you are you, me is me, so you choose for Bahco Laplender, and I go for Silky gomboy 210. COOL VID BRO!!!
this guy manages to convince some people that a cheap Walmart bike is better than a carbon bike. Since the Walmart bike just bent while the carbon bike broke. LOL
I bought the Bahco after considering both of these saws-the reason-durability and learning curve. I am not a “finesse” kind of person. I am rough on gear. I don’t want to worry about the blade while on a trip. Also if a friend uses it they won’t have to worry either about technique or being careful. I realize I am sacrificing some cutting speed and sharpness.
both are great saws, the silky accel in the speed of sawing through wood. but i rather sacrifice the speed while sawing through wood than having my saw breaking, and i need to trust a saw that is reliable in the jungle.
Exelent video, it explains the difference between the Silky and the Bahco. The Silky cuts mutch better and is faster but will break if you accedendly bend it , the Laplander will last you a lifetime... I just ordered a Silky outback pocketboy , but my Bahco Laplander will rescue me when the Silky breaks 🙂
1:07"... Silky broke, not once but twice..." Sorry, but that is not quite correct. Actually YOU broke the Silky, twice! 1:61 Maybe people get touchy about Silky blades being broken (not breaking) because it is quite clear that you use the Silky as if it were your Laplander! Putting your index finger along the top of the handle instantly tells me that you are going to put pressure on the blade during BOTH pull and push strokes. The position of the hand like that is how one saws with a push saw. It's not a pull saw grip. For a pull saw one grips the handle with the fingers underneath the handle, which accentuates the pull stroke, and lessens the downward pressure on the bade. Also, it stimulates the release of pressure on the return stroke, as is the intention. 2:23 "I want my saw to be reliable.." If I may offer a suggestion: firstly, a Silky is perfectly, 100% reliable! Professional arborists and lumbermen use them for years, if not decades, with great success. Secondly, it may solve your problem is you would take some trouble to acquire the correct technique for using a Silky saw. It is vastly different from the technique you have in muscle memory from using the Laplander. Alternatively, just continue using the Bahco!
I’ma still take a Silky. Not cause I’m discounting your review, but because the cutting performance is a night and day difference. All you’ve gotta really do is be more careful and relax your muscles a bit more - let the saw do the work.
It is not stupid at all. In the woods, when out hiking for days, or even more so in a survival situation, you want what is realiable. Shit happends to the best of us, and a broken saw is a nono.
I own both and take the silky out the most. It just saws a lot quicker and takes less effort. Jammed mine quite a few times without it ever bending or snapping. The bottom line is take the laplander if your life (or at least weekend) depends on it, bring the silky if you know how to handle it and are willing to accept the small risk of breaking it and ruining your day.
If reliability & cutting performance is what u want go with the agawa canyon folding bow saws, I have the 21" but they do a 15" & 24" as well. Probably not a fair comparison but my 21" takes a big greasy dump all over both the bahco & gomboy. I actually use the 21" bahco drywood blade in my agawa canyon saw, super cheap blades where I am & just as good as the agawa canyon brand blades but cost 1/3 as much, literally get 3 bahco blades for the price of one agawa canyon blade. Tested them side by side & there is no difference in cutting performance. Also worth noting that a bow saw is waaaaay more comfortable, especially if you're processing a lot of wood, much more natural motion for the wrist & arm when sawing compared to a folding silky/bahco.
So many triggered fanboys crying foul over the Silky breaking. 🤣 All tools have their tradeoffs. The Silky is harder, cuts faster and retains its edge longer, but this performance comes at a cost. The Bahco isn't as hard, doesn't cut as fast or retain its edge as long, but it's markedly more flexible and forgiving of mistakes. It's all a matter of what you need from your tools. Was this test extreme? Absolutely. But it did a fine job of proving a point. Everyone needs to chill out and look at this objectively. Thanks for this video. It was rather informative.
Silky saws, the choice of professional arborists......The blade will break if you abuse it so keep a spare in your vehicle. If you going where you cannot carry spares ? ...... take the Bahco.
silky are good, in fact i just ordered one my self, but upon researching, any time the silky is pitted against another saw, i saw silky fans irrationally attacking anyone who said the silky was not perfect in every way and that other saws were superior in certain aspects or for different uses. this is not to say that it isn't a good saw, but the most common issue people had with silky was the blades breaking, same as you.
Sorry but you are not using the saw to how they where designed and you also said you pushed the saw not that hard and it broke knowing full well it will brake the baco saw will also brake over time if you keep bending it the way that your using it so please don’t give inaccurate information about different metals if you don’t understand how they work so please read up on the structure’s of different types of metal and how they adapt to different types of use all the best for your next review
I carry an axe as well as a saw, so for my use the Silky is the superior choice, since I still have the axe as backup if the Silky did break, but I still get the better cutting performance of the Silky when I do use it. Only carrying a single tool and not wanting it to fail? The Bahco is arguably the better choice for it's ruggedness.
You missed the point of the video. He merely demonstrated the difference in durability. I don't think that he ever said that the Silky wasn't the superior cutter. He was just demonstrating that it is also less forgiving of mistakes and that such mistakes can cost you dearly in the field when you can't get a new blade... So, in such situations, the Bahco may be the more desirable tool.
I have had a Bahco for years and it’s never let me down. I love new tech and tools and would love a Silky but after watching a LOT of these comparisons i realised my Bahco is half the price and still with me, going strong.. So... Sorry silky!!
Silly saws cut only on the pull motion. In other words: to cut you need to pull back and down the move forward and up-relieving pressure off the blade. Think of an oval motion. I hope this helps you.
Great video. I agree, no matter how well a saw cuts won't matter if it breaks on you. I would rather have a cheap $10 saw that works rather then a $100 saw that breaks in 3 pieces. 👍💪
I hope that I didn't hurt someone's feelings with this. Just being objective cause I didn't got any money from Bahco or the Silky.
I'm using saws for almost a decade now,and I recommend both saws any time. But,for me,I'll stick with the laplander. Feel free to comment!
Have a nice week,Simon
Ciao Simon. Interesting video. I personally think that a "survival folding saw" should be a simple and sturdy and stupid tool. You take it out and cut wood. No special training and care should be needed. So if special care is needed even to cut a small log, well... it's simply not that hard stuff... and not the kind of tool I'll take with me and eventually rely on trying to survive. When in troubles not all of us have time and patience to perform a perfect cutting movement, let's be real. This channel is about surviving, right? I'd go (and I have one) with the Bahco. Ciao!
I think it should be noted that you can carry replacement blades for the silky. I'm not sure about the bahco. The silky blades are probably much harder and will therefore last longer under heavy use; but be more brittle, especially in the cold. They say grandsfer bruks axes suffer chipping problems in extream cold. Yet, Nobody would dispute that a grandsfer bruks axe is a great axe. Everything has a trade off. It doesn't mean it's bad.
Great video by the way! 👍
Survivaland
Hey man I've been following you for a while and I like your vids. Not that I'm triggered by this I don't even have a silky saw but it broke because it got stuck. It got stuck because you use the same technique of cutting as you do with a regular saw which the silky is not. The silky cuts only on the pull and when you exert force downwards while pushing you increase the risk of jamming it and eventually breaking it. Furthermore you are wasting energy without increasing performance. Your arm movement when cutting with a Silky should resemble that of the iron bar connecting the wheels of a train. You should slightly detach the blade from the bottom and efortlessly push it then force it down while pulling and repeat. If you are curious to check out the proper use and more thoughts on the silky you may check Survival Russia's channel. Lars is a great guy and I enjoy all his content he's quite pragmatic and fairly intelligent from my point of view.
Thanks for the content man and keep it up!
You can buy spare blades for bahco. 3 blades for around 20 bucks.
Wow! I just learned, because of the comments, how protective people can be of whichever saw they prefer. The man said they’re both great saws. No argument there. It seems his main point is that if placed into a true survival situation, he’d rather have a Bahco. I’d hate to have my saw break while I’m freezing and desperately trying to gather firewood. Regardless, use whichever you trust most based on your own experience, not other people’s. Cheers.
This is just a difference in hardening. A hardend steel will snap, but it will retain an edge. A soft steel will bend, but not retain an edge. Thats all. Good video. Thank you.
yup. in real life you can probably cut 100's of 3 inch pine poles with 0 problems with either brand if you don't twist the saw and cut into the soil with the worst possible technique as displayed. worry less about the tools and learn to undercut and pack a spare blade and pivot bolt
But also in relation to steel type, carbon steel vs stainless and depend on variant and of course hardening and how well it is hardened. Is the Silky stainless?
good comment . i see what he means but like you said deffinetly a matter of material . also a matter of technique. still good to know considering I'm new to silky . got one for the amount of dead fall in my yard that i stack up for the fire pit.
Many saws have differential hardened blades with only the teeth being really hard.
In fact you can check it out on cheap replaceable blades. The teeth are kinda black. A blade this fragile is liability. And I dont like the Bahco bend either. They both suck. Let's see, there' Husqarna too. They could have it right
I bought my father silky big boy (yellow handle) and he cut ONLY through spruce board and after 2 mounts the blade teeth was retired.... SILKY IS NOT DIAMOND
Thank you for your honest video. I currently have a silky gomboy and it cuts great. However, I will admit that i do worry about it breaking when it gets stuck in the wood. I wouldn’t mind having the Laplander as backup. No hurt feelings here. I appreciate honesty. Rock on, dude.👍
That was painful to watch and reminds me of two old English sayings:- a) Let the SAW do the work and b) A Bad Workman Always Blames His Tools. You not only misused the folding saws, but you also didn't position your wood correctly causing it to close and pinch your blade.
There are far more quality folding saws on the market other than just Bahco and SILKY which have become 'must have brand names' for Outdoors/Survival/Bushcraft channels, but I could have cut that wood more easily and more quickly with a $5 Lidl Supermarket folding saw using a correct sawing technique.
Last year, I used a Fiskars Xtractable that was given back to me with a bent blade which eventually broke at its weakest point near the handle and this year, I have been using a Wolf Garten and considering it gets used almost every day, I cannot complain as it has no deformities and still cuts well. I am yet to unpack my Silky Pocket Boy as I have a host of other brands to try out first. In addition, I have a Bahco Orange version of the Laplander that I allow my numerous Volunteers to use around the Smallholding and although it can cut on the forward and backwards stroke, I teach them to only use the backwards stroke. I was surprised to hear so many Volunteers say that they had used folding saws before, but were never shown how to use them properly and why they often broke them. Mine is still intact and straight.
You said, I believe that SILKY sent you their saw for you to try out? If so, you were lucky as most of us have to pay for our tools and would never consider putting them through a destruction test by misuse. Next someone will send you an Axe and perhaps you will misuse that by chopping rock and show us how the cutting edge loses chunks of metal. Anyway, I have most probably slated you somewhat, but I cannot stand BS on any Channel whether they have 10 or 1 Million subscribers and will say so. Merry Christmas from Bulgaria.
Is that your dog being possessed by a demon? lol, good video
All three of them are 😂
haha, awesome
LOOL :D
interesting to see the outcome ,but who in their right minds would treat either saw like that in proper use ?
Noone. This is flex test vid,not how to use saw vid 😊
yes,i gathered that buddy :)
if that was really the way you treated your tools,you'd have to get someone else to tie your bootlaces haha :)
Those two are meant for this test purpose. I love my knives and tools and put a lot of love in them 😊
Lmao,I'll bring my mom next time.
@faultroy Who mentioned survival you self righteous prick? This is a test of durability, not how wannabe bear grylls like you need a saw that can withstand a nuclear blast.
Hundreds of people who work for a living use these saws and use them hard. Get you head out of your ass and realize that if people managed to survive for thousands of years with sharp rocks a fragile man like you can handle a saw not living up to your overblown expectations.
@@stevolution2011 the silky wasn’t bent like that when it was broke the first time. Silky Stan fanboy
Laplander cuts on push and pull. Silky is pull saw. Silky has thinner and hardened steel blade, which cuts much faster but may break if it binds in the cut and you push hard. Use the tool correctly and you won't have problems. If a pocket knife blade snaps because you're using it like a screwdriver, it's not the blade's fault. Same principle with push & pull saw vs pull saw.
Just why on earth would you do that to any saw?
To demonstrate the SNAFU that can happen in the field and how forgiving each saw can be when faced with abuse.
I've been saying it for a long time. The most (under)valued survival tool is the prybar.
krtekjetady 😂😂😂👍🏻👍🏻
Prybar and also the Light Saber...doubles as a fire starter and defender of the galaxy.
Why is that
Need an olo
Survival means different things to different people. We all die eventually.
silky saw will stay sharp longer as demonstrated by th harder metal. just dont be a dick with your tools and they will last a long time.
I've owned a silky gomboy 270 and a bigboy 360 for years with no problems . Laplanders are too small for my liking in the forest I go to . It's a matter of using you tools properly ! Simple as that !
You were binding the blade, something hard to do with the Silky since it is ground to minimize that. I could tell by the video you used it wrong. I've found Bahco to be one of the worst. That is an observation from personal experience, real not internet, imaginary survival.
And yet the video proves a point that your anecdotal "experience" fails to refute:
The Bohco is the more forgiving and durable tool compared to the Silky.
Hello my friend , I'm new to your channel buddy . I'm a old pro tree climber , I started using silky saws in the early 90s .not sure about your test ! Remember silky has been accepted by our arb community for years and I've never snapped a silky . Try using it 100 ft up a tree and then you will change your mind . Everything can be broken and if you abuse your saws they will break . Pointless excesise really butt .nice channel ☠👍👍👍⛏💙
For the Silky, you need to choose one that is longer so you don't over pull and can make better use of that pull stroke. If you want small, the laplander is better.
Bahco uses a softer spring steel allowing it to flex which is both good and bad as it won't hold an edge as well as the Silky saw. The silky is made with a harder steel which will hold an edge better but won't flex as much, the harder the steel the more brittle. It is up to you to decide between performance or durability.
Bahco making selective heat treatment, just on the saw teeth, not the whole blade. And you can see on the video why its better idea.
Silky probably break before a bahco would dull
@@maurycyzych3129 Silky also does selective heat treatment for the teeth but yeah, looks like silky does use a harder steel overall and less springy.
@@maurycyzych3129 exactly that's why saw zall blades have bi metal construction witch was invented by Sandvik Bahco so the teeth are hard and the blade doesn't shatter.
I own an apple orchard. Been using Silky's for years. Never had problems like that...….smdh
‘A bad workman blames his tools…’Get a Silky Zubat,and see what you think of it.
I’ve had my Zubat for four years,and have only just replaced the dull blade. Use it most days in my job.
That's a pretty valid point. I never did a flex test on a laplander. I have also never broken a silky but am an arborist who uses them daily. I suppose if I wanted a laplander replacement that cut that slowly with it's tough steel I'd get a Sawzall blade wrapped in duct tape for much cheaper
I like how you managed to make your point so elegantly. Yes. I agree, if I need something I can rely on no matter what itll end up being an even cheaper sawzall blade duct taped to an ergonomic branch. For a long trip in the woods i can stick that blade somewhere next to my Silky.
Lesson is, treat your tools with respect. If you don't know how to treat your tools with respect, buy a laplander. Or carry a spare silky blade because you know that silky makes a superior product.
I actually agree with you.
How about a demonstration video on how to use and how not to abuse a folding saw. Example.. Jamming and pinching the blade.... Speed or aggressiveness of use.... Its maybe boring but necessary..
This happened only on pine. Every other wood performed fine. Simply,Laplander never snapped on pine in 5 years,silky did twice. After it snapped I continued with the laplander. I gues that says enough 🌲🌲
Nothing against laplander but i have a silky bigboy 2000 65tpi and i never snapped it once. I work in the building trades and use all kinds of saws and grinders and blades and i have knowledge and experience that translates well when using a silky. The silky is actually very fussy and specific in the method that you use. Almost like a chainsaw cant be used in just any old way that you want.
Ustvari, nije to da ja govorim da je silky najbolja pila jer je to ca san ja kupio, nego da silky nije najbolja pila u sve situacije i za svi ljudi.
Sounds like you're pushing and pulling the saw through the wood. You're only supposed to cut on the draw with the Silky and let it pass back through the wood forward without any pressure. It's a Japanese carpentry technique. If you focus your energy on drawing it back towards you, you'll cut more.
Also, these are pruning saws, not bucking saws. You are misusing them. If you want to cut wood that big, you're going to need the appropriate saw for the task instead of using a pruning saw to do a crosscut saw's work. :)
good video. I own silky saws and I've broke them. I keep using them though. cause I love how fast they cut compared to other saws. my current favorite is the silky big boy.. she makes short work of cutting
you held the short end of the log' that pinch the blade and the end could not take the pressure . always hang on to the long end of you work piece so the end is not under upward stress.
Not trying to be a Jerk but you do realize that its a pull saw? Once I learned that I have never had issues with my Silky. Nice vid though I love your dog. lol
If you are cutting correctly you wont bend either saw. This is a bad test and review and Im a Bahco user.
He's showing what could potentially happen
Still going with silky
I'm happy I watched this before spending money. A little extreme, but it proves a point.
Sorry to many videos I've seen with silkys breaking with experienced bushcrafters, you've got to think about reliability before speed and for the few less strokes you need with a silky, bahco every time, they're indestructible
Seems pretty simple to me. If you can depend on yourself to use the saw as it is intended (a pull cut) I would go with the Silky saw all day everyday. If there is a chance you would accidentally use a push cut (lack of experience or you're cold and not paying attention) get a different saw...
wrong, harder steels can sporadically break under the effort a saw has to be. You can baby it perfectly and this is still entirely possible. luck of the draw, roll of the dice.
I'm smart enough to know how to use a Silky saw. I'm also smart enough not to waste money and energy on a lesser tool. Laplanders are ok for the money, but they are no match for a Silky when used correctly, and they will CERTAINLY dull faster forcing you to work harder. Buy a Silky and learn how to use it...Simple.
i have fiskars for ten years never let me down, you can make arowheads for the bow whit that silky
Gorilla proof over speed any day.
Harder metal is more brittle. Laplander has cheap softer metal which will Not stay anywhere near as sharp as Silky. Both have their jobs. Silky is too expensive to be a tool of abuse. Laplander? Who gives a shit , they are cheap.
Maybe you should watch Survival Russia video. So you can learn how to properly use a silky saw.
well done!...ignore the haters...i would never depend on any saw as a long term solo survival tool, especially a folding saw as they are already broken in the middle...same goes for a folding knife...LOL...atb...woods
It’s ONLY a PULL saw. U R >>>quite clearly PUSHING
I have both.just in case
You should not be breathing heavy. Your obviously not using a pull stroke saw correctly. It doesn't matter if it's a silky or whatever brand, your technique is completely wrong or they would never bend that much anyhow.
Excellent test ! I have the same results in my experience
I have a small hatchet. Never broken it. It likes to eat wood.
My guess is Silky heat treat hardens teeth too much and becomes brittle, combined with the required sharp narrow transitions for the teeth creates a stress riser which may lead to breaks.
I have visited many bushcraft channels and watched the ongoing Bahco vs. Silky tests. They ARE ENTERTAINING for viewers. I feel the Laplander is more of a 'bug out bag' favorite than it is a survival tool for longer periods in the woods, especially in cold weather when larger logs are needed for long fires. The Silky line seems best designed for use in orchards or managed tree plantations for the trimming of small limbs. My preferred saw is a moderate-length bow saw such as the Sven Saw pattern. It folds up into itself and packs well and it deploys easily. Replacement blades are inexpensive and widely available (in the USA.) A skilled saw man can sharpen that blade in the field...but I cannot. These things are what woodsmen love to discuss!
I know I'm late to the party but. I have been using my Silky Gomboy 210 for over ten years, it's my favorite saw of all time. At about year four I got an extra blade, just to be safe, not because the original was dull or broken or bent enough to notice with out a good squint from the old mark I eyeball. That "just to be safe" blade is still hanging NIB on same nail I hung in on six years ago. It's not about the blade, it's about how you use it ! I owned a Bahco, lost it about ten years ago. It was my favorite saw of all time, until...
I now have the Gomboy 210 medium tooth, a Bigboy 360 large tooth and a Genki Temagari 500 extra large tooth. In general, the Gb 210 is my my go to for anything smaller than my wrist. The Bb 360 is great but I don't use it as much as the other two. The GT 500 is a BEAST !
When my daughter is old enough, her first saw will likely be a Bahco. It's a great saw !
Why would you want to condition your daughter to bad form by starting with a Bahco? Muscle memory is hard to correct. That is why you see so many professional bush crafters break Silky saw blades.
Interesting, and I appreciate the honesty in the video and the comments. I have always wanted to buy a Silky saw, I never hear anything but great reviews. I don't think this video changes this, just points out some things to be aware of. I have three Bahco saws like in the video (great for my kids also), I have bent them and straightened them. I think both have a place, and both are great saws. The end game seems to be in the users experience, skill in good technique and the understanding of each saws weaknesses!
ohh this hurts to watch... I hate and love the destruction test at the same time. I hate how the tools are treated but at the same time I love to see how much they can take. And I can also say for my laplander saw that it only bends, I bent a tip (last 3cm) to almost 90 degrees and than straighten it back out and it is still ok, but I didn't do it on purpose.
Finally, a good destruction test, bahco 1, silky 0😔
The silky is a harder steel, it will hold a sharp edge longer. But harder steels are more brittle. It will only bent so far till it snaps.
A bulldozer and a Lamborghini is smashed to a wall. The lambo is finished, the bulldozer is fine. Is the bulldozer a Better car?
He never said which was better.
He just demonstrated the durability difference, which is indeed an important consideration.
And this is why I have stayed with my Bahco Laplander for all these years! Reliability and piece of mind.
a honest video. I have had my Bacho laplander for 3 years . I won't buyer he silky saw for safety reasons. thanx dude.
Predy cool vid, but i never get stuck with saws because i am carrefull with sawing these saws so yeah...
But still you are you, me is me, so you choose for Bahco Laplender, and I go for Silky gomboy 210.
COOL VID BRO!!!
If you treat your tools write they will look after you no one in ther right mide would treat there tools like that
this guy manages to convince some people that a cheap Walmart bike is better than a carbon bike. Since the Walmart bike just bent while the carbon bike broke. LOL
I bought the Bahco after considering both of these saws-the reason-durability and learning curve. I am not a “finesse” kind of person. I am rough on gear. I don’t want to worry about the blade while on a trip. Also if a friend uses it they won’t have to worry either about technique or being careful. I realize I am sacrificing some cutting speed and sharpness.
both are great saws, the silky accel in the speed of sawing through wood. but i rather sacrifice the speed while sawing through wood than having my saw breaking, and i need to trust a saw that is reliable in the jungle.
Exelent video, it explains the difference between the Silky and the Bahco. The Silky cuts mutch better and is faster but will break if you accedendly bend it , the Laplander will last you a lifetime... I just ordered a Silky outback pocketboy , but my Bahco Laplander will rescue me when the Silky breaks 🙂
1:07"... Silky broke, not once but twice..." Sorry, but that is not quite correct. Actually YOU broke the Silky, twice!
1:61 Maybe people get touchy about Silky blades being broken (not breaking) because it is quite clear that you use the Silky as if it were your Laplander! Putting your index finger along the top of the handle instantly tells me that you are going to put pressure on the blade during BOTH pull and push strokes. The position of the hand like that is how one saws with a push saw. It's not a pull saw grip. For a pull saw one grips the handle with the fingers underneath the handle, which accentuates the pull stroke, and lessens the downward pressure on the bade. Also, it stimulates the release of pressure on the return stroke, as is the intention.
2:23 "I want my saw to be reliable.." If I may offer a suggestion: firstly, a Silky is perfectly, 100% reliable! Professional arborists and lumbermen use them for years, if not decades, with great success. Secondly, it may solve your problem is you would take some trouble to acquire the correct technique for using a Silky saw. It is vastly different from the technique you have in muscle memory from using the Laplander.
Alternatively, just continue using the Bahco!
I’ma still take a Silky. Not cause I’m discounting your review, but because the cutting performance is a night and day difference. All you’ve gotta really do is be more careful and relax your muscles a bit more - let the saw do the work.
this is a pretty stupid test. if you can't cut straight, use a hardware store wood saw
It is not stupid at all. In the woods, when out hiking for days, or even more so in a survival situation, you want what is realiable. Shit happends to the best of us, and a broken saw is a nono.
@@daginn896 if you understand what they are for and regularly use either saw, you aren't going to snap it off sideways.
I own both and take the silky out the most. It just saws a lot quicker and takes less effort. Jammed mine quite a few times without it ever bending or snapping. The bottom line is take the laplander if your life (or at least weekend) depends on it, bring the silky if you know how to handle it and are willing to accept the small risk of breaking it and ruining your day.
I have been using the same Laplander saw for ten years for processing firewood and its never let me down, such a fantastic tool for the money!
If reliability & cutting performance is what u want go with the agawa canyon folding bow saws, I have the 21" but they do a 15" & 24" as well. Probably not a fair comparison but my 21" takes a big greasy dump all over both the bahco & gomboy. I actually use the 21" bahco drywood blade in my agawa canyon saw, super cheap blades where I am & just as good as the agawa canyon brand blades but cost 1/3 as much, literally get 3 bahco blades for the price of one agawa canyon blade. Tested them side by side & there is no difference in cutting performance. Also worth noting that a bow saw is waaaaay more comfortable, especially if you're processing a lot of wood, much more natural motion for the wrist & arm when sawing compared to a folding silky/bahco.
So many triggered fanboys crying foul over the Silky breaking. 🤣
All tools have their tradeoffs.
The Silky is harder, cuts faster and retains its edge longer, but this performance comes at a cost.
The Bahco isn't as hard, doesn't cut as fast or retain its edge as long, but it's markedly more flexible and forgiving of mistakes.
It's all a matter of what you need from your tools.
Was this test extreme? Absolutely. But it did a fine job of proving a point.
Everyone needs to chill out and look at this objectively.
Thanks for this video. It was rather informative.
Silky saws, the choice of professional arborists......The blade will break if you abuse it so keep a spare in your vehicle.
If you going where you cannot carry spares ? ...... take the Bahco.
silky are good, in fact i just ordered one my self, but upon researching, any time the silky is pitted against another saw, i saw silky fans irrationally attacking anyone who said the silky was not perfect in every way and that other saws were superior in certain aspects or for different uses. this is not to say that it isn't a good saw, but the most common issue people had with silky was the blades breaking, same as you.
how is the blade of the silky outback series? heard they fixed this issue and some people say its a better laplander now
Sorry but you are not using the saw to how they where designed and you also said you pushed the saw not that hard and it broke knowing full well it will brake the baco saw will also brake over time if you keep bending it the way that your using it so please don’t give inaccurate information about different metals if you don’t understand how they work so please read up on the structure’s of different types of metal and how they adapt to different types of use all the best for your next review
Good testing different steel. It's all about the Wicked Tree Gear saw they are indescribable and stay sharp. It is a folding hand saw.
I got the bahco just because of the silky's snapping. Might cut nice, but i need something i can trust to take the abuse
Just repair it with your EDC welding pocket tool...Easy..
All the silky fan boys going crazy. 99% of them have never used it outside their back yeard.
Simple; if anyone choose to live off-grid for a year; which one will you pick?
I choose the Laplander.
Seriously operator error, silky is not a bushcraft tool........ Get the outback as it is more an oafs tool
I carry an axe as well as a saw, so for my use the Silky is the superior choice, since I still have the axe as backup if the Silky did break, but I still get the better cutting performance of the Silky when I do use it.
Only carrying a single tool and not wanting it to fail? The Bahco is arguably the better choice for it's ruggedness.
Ooh bloody hell mate watch your eyes pal when you're doing that blade bending thingy made me cringe that pal atb👍
This is really cool love your videos keep it up
I hate silkies. It's not efficient, not reliable, it only cuts one way. Freaking stupid.
Is the orange bahco as good as the Laplander? Some say they are the same and others say the black one is more sharp and cuts better.
Wouldn't do that to hack saw or even a file. WTF? Look I'm using my screwdriver as a pry bar and it brakes must be sh**** screw driver. huh?
A bad workman always blames his tools .
You missed the point of the video.
He merely demonstrated the difference in durability.
I don't think that he ever said that the Silky wasn't the superior cutter. He was just demonstrating that it is also less forgiving of mistakes and that such mistakes can cost you dearly in the field when you can't get a new blade... So, in such situations, the Bahco may be the more desirable tool.
Stay home boy...and keep all your tools away.this test is for amateurs...!
Just bring a hatchet as backup. Pretty much indestructible.
I have had a Bahco for years and it’s never let me down. I love new tech and tools and would love a Silky but after watching a LOT of these comparisons i realised my Bahco is half the price and still with me, going strong..
So... Sorry silky!!
Silky is an arborist saw not to be used as a bushcraft saw. I think people dont realize that
Great demo. Thank you. I have never bent my saw that far, but it's good to know its the limits just in case.
Well, al the more reason to pan more than one knife. And bring an extra to keep in the car.
I won't comparison will more yet! Thanks 👍
That's not how you use a saw
No shit?
That's the difference between toughness and hardness.
I'll stick to my laplander, thankyouverymuch!
Maybe just a poorly made blade (not treated correctly).
It works better but falls apart in a few times 😂
Bought two Silky’s a 180 & 210 & waiting for them to arrive.........but now I’ll have a Bacho Laplander coming in the mail just in case...thanks!
I would replace the blade.
It’s not meant to be bent wtf are you even talking about
Look into Agawa Canyon's Boreal 21 saw. I use it in my videos and whenever I am out. Hands down the best saw for what we do.
The best video 👌 (vs) in youtube my friend!bahco the best!from Greece 🇬🇷
Most likely a Chinese knockoff.
I think enough said it was in the video...
fuck silky, i'll stick with bahco
Silly saws cut only on the pull motion. In other words: to cut you need to pull back and down the move forward and up-relieving pressure off the blade. Think of an oval motion. I hope this helps you.
Does not matter, saw stuck for a moment you pull and it breaks. Saw hit a rock under the snow, it breaks. A wrong movement, it breaks.
Great video. I agree, no matter how well a saw cuts won't matter if it breaks on you. I would rather have a cheap $10 saw that works rather then a $100 saw that breaks in 3 pieces. 👍💪