Hard to believe you guys have anyone who would take the time to say anything that wasnt positive I appreciate all the Awesome content and inspiring info you put out for the whold community world wide. You guys rock ! Nikos (Y)
@@AndreaGhidiniHangGliding In that regards I like Vimeo better than YT. No thumbs down, only up. Then the haters have to continue elsewhere, or give you a reason why they didn't like your video in the comment section. That could at least be constructive. But they never do ;-)
I hope this is the last question :-/ Today I set up my Piuma for the first time - I mounted the speed bar (as I know it from other gliders) with direction about 5 degrees up; a colleague asked if it shouldn't be mounted showing about 5 degrees down; in the video I can't really exclude the one or other possibility. I am a little insecure because my WW-Flex2 harness just scratches over the speed bar -should be changed. Everything else went -thanks to your guide - perfectly well... :-)
Hi Olaf, no problem ;-) The bar must be mounted with the Icaro2000 logo up ( so when the glider it's ready the center of the bar is lower), you can't do it wrong knowing this. The bar is designed to remain at the same distance from your chest during the side movements.
Does the PXB sailed glider differ in feel or have lower durability than the Dacron? I really like the configuration of the glider in this video. Is it 2 * Dacron panels and 2 * PXB on the upper surface? Can you also tell me whether the winglets make any difference and if so, what is their purpose. Thanks
Well, of course Pxb have lower durability than Dacron but it may longer than technora ( which is lighter and more inelastic). I really love too the aesthetics of this glider... Winglets actually works but the difference it's very very tiny, I think only an instrument can tell the difference.
Great video,I just received a new Puima and wondered if you would post a video of breaking down the glider and method for folding the sail.After folding the king post I have tension from the luff lines and the packing from the factory looked like sail was flaked
Yes, I'm working on it right now. Keep in mind that at the beginning it's a bit difficult to fold the sail due to the stiffness of the fabric but it gets easier by the way
Why do you remove the rear protection of the keel tube so early? Shouldn't this be almost the last to protect the tube as long as possible? Everything else looks extremely logically and great - will try to do it like this in the future!
Hi Olaf, because that it's actually a sail protection, its work is preventing the dirt on the keel to transfer on the sail when you pack the glider. So the correct use it's to remove it before the keel touches the ground when you set up and put in back after the keel is lifted from the ground when you pack up. My set-up and packing methods comes from my instructor, which works for Icaro2000. Obviously something can change from how they do it in the factory but this video is really close to it
Great video! Just couple of questions Andrea: Are the front tip of each batten (curved-shaped ones) fitted over the leading edge, or the leading edge bars work as a stop when you introduce every batten? Do the leading edge bars havean ellyptcial or circle-like shape, I could see it properly. If I didn't explain myself just ask me. Thanks in advance!
Battens are fitted inside a specific pocket which also work as a stop, the tip is positioned in front of the leading edge tube. The leading edge tube have a circular section. If I didn't get the point, just write me again
Another question: I would be afraid that the battens in the middle might loose their shape earlier because the cross bar / sail is already tightened. pushing them in with tightened sail might cause some resistance which influences the form, doesn't it? The manual says first to put in the battens and then tighten the cross bar. - What is your experience? Do you have to correct the shape of the battens? - If this doesn't matter I would better do it your way of course - easier and much more 'elegance' :-)
Hi Olaf, there's absolutely no problem ( except for the tandems ). My battens are in pristine shape after years of intense use. So don't worry, just push gently and keeping the rear batten end near the ground while you insert or take it out.
That glider looks sweet, but I can't see the point in high performance elements in a single surface wing. I'd rather get dacron sail, square tips and string batten locking for half the price and triple the duration! Just my rant hahah
Hi Érico, I can understand your point but don't agree with it. I think that every sport equipment (bicycles, running shoes, scuba equipment, soccer balls and so on) must evolve, in both performance and design, even if it's a basic one. Imagine if no class-1 HG would have been upgraded since hang gliding it's born, why stop now? About the sail, the one shown here it made out of PXB, that compared to Technora ( low weight and high eleastic module racing sail ) is less expensive ( the sail upgrade costs 50% less than Technora) and more durable ( anti-UV treatment and more elastic fibers ). obviously this is just my personal view.
@@AndreaGhidiniHangGliding of course tech advancements make a lot of sense! But this is like having carbon fiber aero wheels on a beach cruiser bike, or something like that.
@@AndreaGhidiniHangGliding damn true! And slow. But they are dirty cheap and keep running decades later :D The (currently) only brazilian maker is making some, thick dacron, round tubes... actually a late 80s project. They are very fine and getting lots of people into the sport affordably around here. €1350~ brand new, pick colours, I sold mine for half that 60 hours, got a friend in the air. I've tried a falcon4 and in the air they fly the same really. Maybe wings like those could help HG revival, and current factories could still offer fancy single surfaces for seasoned pilots looking for easy landings.
Not really, I just did 2 training hills flights with an U2, it seems a really nice glider but should fly it a while to judge it. Anyway, Piuma it's a class 1 glider ( it competes with Falcon, Malibu and so on) and U2 and Gecko are class 3 and compete with MastR
@@AndreaGhidiniHangGliding I don't really understand the class 2/3 nowadays, the Gecko and S3 seem to close the gap in performance to Litesport and U2 respectively, while keeping easier handling characteristics... And then there are things like Bautek Fizz, is that a 3 or a 4? Who knows!
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Very nice video! A video about the packing would be very cool. Especially how to best wrap up the outer wing parts. Thanks Andrea.
We shot it the same day and I'm already working on it !
Ahh, this is the fancy version with Technora sail. Would love to get a new Piuma! My old WW Falcon 2 195 is getting old.
Who in a he world would give this a thubs down ?
Great video.
Sweet looking glider .
Oh, it's my hater...I always have a thumb down as soon as I post something 😂😂
@@AndreaGhidiniHangGliding I have my own personal hater as well. If I don't get a thumbs down, I send flowers since they must not be feeling angry.
😉
Hard to believe you guys have anyone who would take the time to say anything that wasnt positive
I appreciate all the Awesome content and inspiring info you put out for the whold community world wide.
You guys rock !
Nikos (Y)
@@AndreaGhidiniHangGliding In that regards I like Vimeo better than YT. No thumbs down, only up. Then the haters have to continue elsewhere, or give you a reason why they didn't like your video in the comment section. That could at least be constructive. But they never do ;-)
Great video and a sweet glider. Looking forward to your videos with the Icaro Alto some day in the future!
ruclips.net/video/1TJTP-Qzz1Y/видео.html
The glider That I follow to the lake shore it's an Alto. Probably I'll see it again very soon
For a SS glider it looks to have a pretty high aspect ratio.
I'm not familiar with the Alto. No mention of this model on their web site.
@@mict450 it have bit better aspect ratio than its predecessor, Alto it's not announced yet, so these are only rumors right now ;-)
@@AndreaGhidiniHangGliding it’s on their website under the news section. So it’s public now.
@@Vl7248 Yes, now it is
Beautiful looking glider. I just got my WW S3 race but a couple of people in the club got Pumas.
I’ll be posting a video of me S3 soon :)
Thanks Andrea. I was waiting for this video :-) Cheers amico!
And soon also the packing !
@@AndreaGhidiniHangGliding Great. I'll be waiting for that one too :-)
Very good inspirational video......
I hope this is the last question :-/ Today I set up my Piuma for the first time - I mounted the speed bar (as I know it from other gliders) with direction about 5 degrees up; a colleague asked if it shouldn't be mounted showing about 5 degrees down; in the video I can't really exclude the one or other possibility. I am a little insecure because my WW-Flex2 harness just scratches over the speed bar -should be changed.
Everything else went -thanks to your guide - perfectly well... :-)
Hi Olaf, no problem ;-)
The bar must be mounted with the Icaro2000 logo up ( so when the glider it's ready the center of the bar is lower), you can't do it wrong knowing this. The bar is designed to remain at the same distance from your chest during the side movements.
No logo on my speed bar :-/ but if there is only ohne way I must have done it right... I check this again next time...
@@olafpeter8625 logos are on the rubber
Does the PXB sailed glider differ in feel or have lower durability than the Dacron? I really like the configuration of the glider in this video. Is it 2 * Dacron panels and 2 * PXB on the upper surface?
Can you also tell me whether the winglets make any difference and if so, what is their purpose.
Thanks
Well, of course Pxb have lower durability than Dacron but it may longer than technora ( which is lighter and more inelastic). I really love too the aesthetics of this glider...
Winglets actually works but the difference it's very very tiny, I think only an instrument can tell the difference.
Great video,I just received a new Puima and wondered if you would post a video of breaking down the glider and method for folding the sail.After folding the king post I have tension from the luff lines and the packing from the factory looked like sail was flaked
Yes, I'm working on it right now. Keep in mind that at the beginning it's a bit difficult to fold the sail due to the stiffness of the fabric but it gets easier by the way
Hi Andrea, could you tell me please, where exactly is this beautiful launche place. Thanks. Uwe Hefele
of course
goo.gl/maps/st7DnVhxvX1tXfQCA
Why do you remove the rear protection of the keel tube so early? Shouldn't this be almost the last to protect the tube as long as possible?
Everything else looks extremely logically and great - will try to do it like this in the future!
Hi Olaf, because that it's actually a sail protection, its work is preventing the dirt on the keel to transfer on the sail when you pack the glider. So the correct use it's to remove it before the keel touches the ground when you set up and put in back after the keel is lifted from the ground when you pack up.
My set-up and packing methods comes from my instructor, which works for Icaro2000. Obviously something can change from how they do it in the factory but this video is really close to it
@@AndreaGhidiniHangGliding Thanks, Andrea - that makes sense - Just bought the Piuma and I'm HOT flying it :-)
@@olafpeter8625 I always have a lot of fun too when I fly with a Piuma
Great video! Just couple of questions Andrea: Are the front tip of each batten (curved-shaped ones) fitted over the leading edge, or the leading edge bars work as a stop when you introduce every batten? Do the leading edge bars havean ellyptcial or circle-like shape, I could see it properly. If I didn't explain myself just ask me.
Thanks in advance!
Battens are fitted inside a specific pocket which also work as a stop, the tip is positioned in front of the leading edge tube.
The leading edge tube have a circular section.
If I didn't get the point, just write me again
Another question: I would be afraid that the battens in the middle might loose their shape earlier because the cross bar / sail is already tightened. pushing them in with tightened sail might cause some resistance which influences the form, doesn't it? The manual says first to put in the battens and then tighten the cross bar. -
What is your experience? Do you have to correct the shape of the battens? - If this doesn't matter I would better do it your way of course - easier and much more 'elegance' :-)
Hi Olaf, there's absolutely no problem ( except for the tandems ).
My battens are in pristine shape after years of intense use. So don't worry, just push gently and keeping the rear batten end near the ground while you insert or take it out.
@@AndreaGhidiniHangGliding thanks -sounds good! :-)
is this hang glider good for dune gooning??
It's perfect for it
Amazing
Semplicemente fantastico
That glider looks sweet, but I can't see the point in high performance elements in a single surface wing. I'd rather get dacron sail, square tips and string batten locking for half the price and triple the duration! Just my rant hahah
Hi Érico, I can understand your point but don't agree with it.
I think that every sport equipment (bicycles, running shoes, scuba equipment, soccer balls and so on) must evolve, in both performance and design, even if it's a basic one.
Imagine if no class-1 HG would have been upgraded since hang gliding it's born, why stop now?
About the sail, the one shown here it made out of PXB, that compared to Technora ( low weight and high eleastic module racing sail ) is less expensive ( the sail upgrade costs 50% less than Technora) and more durable ( anti-UV treatment and more elastic fibers ).
obviously this is just my personal view.
@@AndreaGhidiniHangGliding of course tech advancements make a lot of sense! But this is like having carbon fiber aero wheels on a beach cruiser bike, or something like that.
@@ericoschmitt I always thought that beach cruisers are too heavy 😅
@@AndreaGhidiniHangGliding damn true! And slow. But they are dirty cheap and keep running decades later :D
The (currently) only brazilian maker is making some, thick dacron, round tubes... actually a late 80s project. They are very fine and getting lots of people into the sport affordably around here. €1350~ brand new, pick colours, I sold mine for half that 60 hours, got a friend in the air. I've tried a falcon4 and in the air they fly the same really.
Maybe wings like those could help HG revival, and current factories could still offer fancy single surfaces for seasoned pilots looking for easy landings.
@@ericoschmitt it's ok to think different 😉
Andrea , have you flown WW U2 or Moyes Gecko ? How does the Piuma compare ?
Not really, I just did 2 training hills flights with an U2, it seems a really nice glider but should fly it a while to judge it.
Anyway, Piuma it's a class 1 glider ( it competes with Falcon, Malibu and so on) and U2 and Gecko are class 3 and compete with MastR
@@AndreaGhidiniHangGliding thanks man , always curious to know what’s out there , what gives the best bang for the buck etc . Safe flying 👍
@@AndreaGhidiniHangGliding I don't really understand the class 2/3 nowadays, the Gecko and S3 seem to close the gap in performance to Litesport and U2 respectively, while keeping easier handling characteristics... And then there are things like Bautek Fizz, is that a 3 or a 4? Who knows!
@@ericoschmitt I don't really know Bautek gliders so I can't help you out ;-)
@@ericoschmitt Bautek stopped producing gliders. Thank god we still have Icaro! I hope they make gliders till the day I die.
Is this hang glider too advanced for a first glider?
No, it's perfect as a first glider
Thanks Andrea
Fly a way
Costo ?
shop.icaro2000.com/Catalog/xx/807/Piuma
5000 euro
Che bello me lo ricomprerei
perchè no...