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What I really like about Bioshock 2 (aside from improved gameplay mechanics) is that the ending isn't solely based on the player's trreatment of the Little Sisters like it was in the first game. You're playing as someone (or something) created specifically to PROTECT the Little Sisters, so unless you want to get the worst possible ending, it doesn't make sense to kill those little girls just to get more ADAM. Also, it's pretty ironic that despite her ideology, Sofia Lamb basically turned Rapture into a hive and made herself the queen bee.
"Also, it's pretty ironic that despite her ideology, Sofia Lamb basically turned Rapture into a hive and made herself the queen bee." It just like animal farm “All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.”
That's the spirit of bioshock 1 as well according to Ken Levine, no utopia works when people are so flawed and carry baggage with us by default. Ryan basically turned big gov when thing went out of his hand.
I hated 2 at launch, but after replaying it recently, it's my favorite. Dual weilding and streamlined hacking is great. Minervas Den had the best story, imo.
To me it is. I LOVED Bioshock, but 2 REALLY made me feel a lot. It was badass running around with the Big Daddy arsenal, but also the story. GOD, I really felt like a father on the way to save my daughter and it genuinely made me cry at the end.
The original saying “Blood is thicker than water” is actually “The blood of the covenant is thicker than water of the womb.” Meaning the family you choose is more important than the family you are born into.
A big retcon that comes from Burial is that they made it that Big Daddies were always around, even the more advanced Bouncer type. Apparently they were just repurposed to be protectors. The first two games and especially two make it clear that Little Sisters came first while Big Daddies were made to protect them afterwards. So many videos seem to get this wrong because they buy the horribly retconned Burial lore so I'm glad that you got it right here.
I’m just glad you can chalk that up to being the multiple timelines and that the Rapture you’re at in the first two games is a different timeline with no Elizabeth. At least that’s what I like to think.
@redraptorwrites6778 I always assumed they were originally not called Big Daddies. but did exist in that form, to do the deep sea construction and maintenance. I thought they only really started to be called Big Daddies around the same time the Little Sisters were created. But yea i agree Infinite and especially Burial At Sea are horrible, and introduced some terrible plot holes and bad retcons.
I loved bioshock 2 at launch and still do to this day. Comparing is hard, its like comparing alien and aliens. Two different vibes and tones. However the improved camera and hacking made b2 a lot more fun
For me it's: 1. Bioshock 2. Bioshock 2: Minerva's Den 3. Bioshock 2 4. Bioshock Infinite: Burial At Sea 1-2 5. Bioshock Infinite I also remember that when B2 was released it received a lukewarm reception, which is sad 'cause gameplay-wise it's more fun than B1, but B1 had better story and overall it's more memorable. Love both of those games + Minerva DLC, but Infinite... well Infinite... I wish it didn't exist. It's not a bad game, love the story and the visuals, but the dumbed down COD style gameplay is not for me. Hated the weapon limit (reminded me of Duke Nukem Forever and that's not good) and how the game dragged on for too long. Overall, Bioshock is a fantastic series, Infinite is the only disappointment for me cause the more I play all of these games the more I love 1-2-Minerva, but Infinite... it's the other way around... it gets worse... still a good game, but not as good as the previous ones, that's for sure. Now would you kindly go and play System Shock Remake? It's a little bit clunky, but fun :)
I definitely remember Infinite dragging at some points too. Even when I replayed it semi recently, I found myself trying to sprint to the finish cause I was just ready to be done with it. I still liked it overall, but it didn't have the same magic that B1 and 2, B1 most of all, for me personally
I feel like this debate can be boiled down to one sentence, "Bioshock 2 is a great game that has the misfortune of being the sequel to one of the best games to come out of the golden age of video games".
infinite is especially disappointing if you followed development for years, all the interesting concepts and possibilities they showed off, most of it was cut. there's no key choice moments besides the ball throw and the bird/cage, two other choices they showed off were cut. tears were cut down to the point where they're just slightly different environmental combat options. they had plans for multiversal traversal through tears and other stuff, all cut. they cut so much stuff just to finish the game, it'd be less painful if they hadn't used so much of the cut content in marketing.
we all have our opinions and some just need to let it go. glad you talked about the games and the divide it has. can't wait to hear your thoughts on Infinite.
I think one reason that Bioshock 2 got so much hate on launch was because they included online multiplayer. I can't say if it was good or not I never played it. However there were a lot of fans that didn't want it in Bioshock so that might explain some of the negativity.
@@docmitchell4658 Agreed. I remember thinking it was gonna be bad when B2 came out, but I was really surprised by it. It was actually pretty fun for what it offered, especially if you were a big fan of the Bioshock universe and just wanted more of it
I was always a bioshock2 man. The first game never hit me as hard as others the "twists' fell flat on my first playthrough and the gameplay wasn't standout.
i’ve rarely been as enveloped in a game as much as i have with bioshock 2, this game was such a fixation when i first played it and it only feels like it’s gotten better over the years
Yes, and those who disagree were just dissapointed that a sequel felt like a sequel and not as new and revolutionary as the first game. 2 iterates on everything 1 did on a mechanical level and the story is fine, even if Lamb isn't built up as well as Ryan. The only thing I ever disliked about 2 was not being able to go back to previous levels.
1 had the better story, and was more iconic. 2 simply has better gameplay mechanics. That and 1's endings wrapped things up nicely, it didn't _need_ a sequel.
I like the narrative and level design of the first game but the gameplay and hacking in the 2nd game is significantly better. I played System Shock 2 last year as somebody who was born in 98 so I have no prior nostalgia tied to it and I liked it quite a lot despite some of its jank due to age. I think Bioshock and System Shock 2 are pretty even, its kind of gameplay and QOL improvements versus deeper RPG elements and a more sci-fi aesthetic with in my opinion the most bad-ass antagonists in videogames in Shodan.
It is the best on the series for me, personally. Bioshock 1 might be an all time classic, but the second one is just plain fun, while maintaining a good story.
I recently went back and played this and remembered why it was my favorite of the trilogy. People used to say that Bioshock 2 was the worst of the trilogy, but I guess they have changed their minds since then. For me, I feel like the gameplay is a big step up from the original, and I like the level design a little more too. Plus there's the Minerva's Den DLC which is pretty good too. From what I remember as a kid, I think it played Bioshock 2 way more than the others, although I still have a few playthroughs on the other 2 as well.
I played both back to back. And bioshock 2 falls in that category of sequels where the developers know that the fear of unknown is gone. So they aim for a more action focused game. Which to me is actually a really good approach. It always feels natural when games do that. Bioshock 2 is a more polished and action focused experience. They fixed nearly everything I felt was annoying or unnecessary about the first game. Mainly being the hacking mini games. But I’d be lying if I said I remember that game more than I did the first game. The first game just has soo many good moments. All which will be stuck with me for a very long time. But I barely remember anything about bioshock 2. The narrative isn’t bad in bioshock 2. But the first games narrative is soo good, it would be impossible to make one better. So gameplay wise yeah maybe bioshock 2 is better. But bioshock 1 is soo much more memorable
Never got why the story in 2 is considered worse than that of 1, but I'd guess getting the tweeeest spoiled plus the overwhelming praise made me approach it with expectations that didn't help. Might be unfair to see it as just an interactive Shyamaladingdong movie, but that's all it is to me - besides an introduction to an inspired setting. 2 on the other hand - no spoilers, no expectations and it just worked. Curious if that's a common experience among those of us who think 2 isn't just better as a game but also a better told story. After the first playthrough Ellies scream in the intro gets me every time on replays. Kinda wish the tactical options had gotten at least some spotlight in this review. Whether it's a fight against other Daddies, Big Sisters or the harvesting minigame, you have a chance to prepare an arena before the chaos starts. Makes a bigger difference than the more immediate gameplay changes like dual wielding plasmid plus weapon in my opinion.
Lamb was pretty lame compared to Fontaine and Ryan as far as the story/protagonist. Having the story ruined before playing 1 took a lot of the thunder out for sure which influenced you while playing. Minerva's Den basically saves Bioshock 2 from just being Bioshock 1 with better gameplay and a meh story imo. Without that DLC Bioshock 2 isn't much better than Infinite.
@@Jrock420blami agree with lamb being lame when compared to Fontaine my only complaint with bioshock 2 was the ending was anti climatic when i first played back then i was expecting a boss fight similar to bioshock 1 i was disappointed that the “boss fight” was just waves of enemies thrown at you plus by the time you get towards the end your so overpowered with upgrades that the enemies don’t really present a challenge at all
Commenting before watching to say that as a kid I played Bioshock 1 and 2 as they released, and the general consensus at the time was that 2 was a huge letdown somehow story-wise but everyone also praised the improved gunplay and playing as a Big Daddy. I think at the time “Would you kindly?” was still so fresh and groundbreaking that nothing the sequel did would ever have hit as hard. All that said, over the years I’ve always gone back for a yearly playthrough of both and I’ve always been a big fan of the story, I personally believe it rises nearly to the level of the original. I think both games suffer from lackluster endings, a trend that would continue with infinite (in regards to Burial at Sea imo taking things a step too far in retconning aspects of the canon).
I like 1 & 2 equally, I replay them back to back when I get that Bioshock itch. I always thought 2 got way too much shit even as a diehard Bioshock 1 fan. And Minerva's Den is like top 3 DLCs ever made
I have always considered BioShock 2 to be the best of the series Edit: Been on and preferred Xbox damn near my whole gaming life, just as a disclaimer.
Bioshock 2 is my least favorite of the three but its still pretty great. I have beat it around 3 or 4 times. I just got tired of defending little sisters. It also felt like the exploration wasn't as good. It didn't feel like they tried hiding Tonics and stuff as well. I enjoyed looking for them in the first game.
so about killing gilbert being considered morally bad, i believe its because if you kill him its as if youre only seeing a monster that needs to be killed (or "put out of his misery", as you said), but by sparing him you look past the dramatic " alex the great" and recognize him as a person. ignoring whatever actions he might have done, the thing is that alex, like delta or any big daddy, is pretty much a different being from his pre-mutation self, so the moral dilemma is if you can see him, and by extension any big daddy/little girl, as a person or as a monster
Minerva’s Den is one of the best DLC contents ever made imo, so I’m looking forward to that. Though I’m more interested in seeing you cover Infinite. Holy crap, if you thought people had strong opinions on the first two games, you haven’t seen anything yet. Personally, I find it to be a game that, opposite to Bioshock 2, gets worse with age.
Question -- What is the best way to play Bioshock 1 and 2 on PC here in 2024? I've got the itch to return to Rapture, especially to reexperience these gems on the Steam Deck, but after watching videos comparing the OGs to the remastered versions, it looks like the OGs look better in almost every way except a few. I only see the remastered versions for sale on Steam, but is there a way to play the OGs on PC, or are we just stuck with the inferior remastered versions?
Might be late for response, but if you buy bishock remastered, you will also get the original game. Same applies for bioshock 2. The bioshock collection also includes both the original and remastered version.
I remember the Multiplayer for this being awesome! It was always fun watching people make montage videos on this game. I was shocked hearing that the game got a bit of hate.
While I loved the first one, the second was more fun to play. The combos of plasmids with weapons are neat. Apart the main game, the multiplayer is very fun.
I've only played each game once but will say that Bioshock 2 is definitely more fun to play and gets the edge for gameplay over the first game. Story, tho is quite hard for me as i really did enjoy both and think I need another playthrough to decide properly
BioShock 1 has a better environment just by the nature of it being the first game. Rapture is fresh to the player. I think it also has better player movement (mainly because you can stack two athlete plasmids and turn the entire game into doom). BioShock 2 on the other hand has far better gameplay. Dual-wield, more interesting plasmid upgrades (fully upgraded telekinesis, my beloved) recording enemies instead of having to spam pictures on every enemy you fight. Better weapon balance as well, electric gel was so busted for big daddy fights in the first game, especially when you were able to double the amount of ammo when crafting
I still prefer Bioshock 1. I think people tend to exagerate Bioshock 2's gameplay improvements. Meanwhile, storywise Bioshock 1 is infinitely better than 2.
A bold question to raise... I love the bioshock 1 & 2 experience. My favorite single player experience ever and i actually consider them 1 game more like a double album. ... As standalone games though, on ps3 which is how i owned them (although i did play Bioshock 1 on 360), imho, Bioshock 2 is superior and more fun in everyway except story because its more bioshock 1 lore rather than ANOTHER stand alone Bioshock experience. That was iNFiNiTE and iT failed but thats besides the point . That moment you first discover Rapture and the following 30 mins of walking around i will cherish as a gamer forever. That game gave so much to me on several levels. But yes, the multiplayer in 2 is outstanding. An id rather play as Alpha all day every day. ... I wish i could go to a thriving version of Rapture when i die.
After playing all 3 back to back I'd have to say 2 is my favorite but I think that again came down to its feel being better then the first and the fact it was still at rapture. All in all great games tho
I was always playing 2 a lot. A lot more then bioshock 1. I think that stands for something. Also what every small youtuber nowadays is either anime femboy or furry? Don't take this personally but I really don't get this trend.
I once played through the entirety of Bioshock 2 using only the drill (outside of using the lightning plazmid for doors), and man it was a WILD ride! Launching myself at every enemy was so fun, especially in the final battle while you destroy the water tanks and have 30+ enemies after you. It felt like the church scene from Kingsmen 😁
saying far cry 4 has a worse story then far cry 3, is just ignoring the second half of far cry 3 after vaas dies, far cry 3's story imo isnt as good as everyone says it is, while i think vaas is a interesting character and the story has some really good symbolism and such with player/jason slowly becoming mass killers and expert soldiers, alot of the stuff surrounding those two things are severe let downs, again in my opinion, i also dont like far cry 5 at all which everyone i've seen talk about it likes, and 2's my favorite
I didn't say FC3's story was good, I said it was better than FC4's story. Neither are great. Far cry 5's story would be fine if the ending wasn't awful. FC5 is a great game though, gets too much hate.
@@Jarekthegamingdragon i dont like 5s mission structure i think it relies to heavily on the ubisoft sandbox which after a decade of it i just got sour too
@@Jarekthegamingdragonalthough about fc4s story not being great, i can understand aj as a main character has no real reason to be doing all the shit he does and some of the main bosses dont have any presence except for de plur i couldn't name one, but i really enjoyed the other characters you talked to and that no faction was either right or hell even good, it reminded me a lot of far cry 2s story but with a lot more idk how to say, context? theres more of a connection with the golden path then you have with any of the people in far cry 2, i really wanted 6 to go back to that far cry 2 grit but the moment i saw the dog with the wheel chair i clocked out
I'm one of those people who didn't play Bioshock games until like ten years after release. Went in totally blind and found myself liking Bioshock 2 the best. Then I played System Shock enhanced edition a year or two later. System Shock seemed like it had deeper mechanics with all the patches and ammo types oh and the variety in minigames. Bioshock just had those annoying "flow" puzzles
Yes; the original's feels slightly dated in comparison, and its WYK twist at the end of the 2nd act made the 3rd drag out painfully slow, and underwhelming. Infinite was a jumbled mess of ambitious ideas with rubbish execution, story-wise. BioShock 2 is what I'd call just right.
One thing the Remaster did was fix the physics being locked to 30 in BS2. There's no unlocker for the original BS2 like there is for BS1 whereas the remaster has a higher fps cap on physics. Not worth sound and lighting tradeoff but still worth mentioning.
The combat in 2 is better than the first, the story not so much. However the DLC for Bioshock 2 "Minerva's Den" was better than the main game of Bioshock 2 and up there with Bioshock 1 (maybe even better). However this is only my opinion. Also Bioshock IS NOT AN IMMERSIVE SIM (and that is fine). I don't see why people even try to call it one, and I have seen people call it that. The only options you have in the game is good or bad ending and 'how will you kill this enemy." Edit : I would recommend you try the Bioshock 2 DLC. Ahh, OK you mention your playing it next. Good. It comes highly recommended by me.
@@Jrock420blamThere's a RUclipsr who can be really cool or really damn stupid. I like some of what he does and other times I laugh. He always keeps trying to ask the question "is X an immersive sim" and I find that really stupid. He keeps saying BioShock is an immersive sim and then goes on to say infinite is 'somewhat' of an immersive sim, it's like they play very similar and both have no element of choice or how you want to handle something. I mean he made a video asking is Metal Gear Solid 5 is an immersive sim (lol) but when I think about it MGS5 allows you so many more options about how to go about the thing you are doing than BioShock ever does, and on top of that he missed a majority of the stuff you can even do in MGS5 cause he didn't think outside of the box.
still disappointed with the mess that ended up being Bioshock 2 compared to 1 but im glad you enjoyed it for what it is. I will say Minerva Den was good though, Bioshock 2 story was just too garbage for me to fully enjoy the improvements they were able to make from the first
I would personally consider 1 and 2 equals if it wasn't for that GOD AWFUL hacking "minigame" that plagues Bioshock 1. It's so slow. And tedious. If there were a mod that patches in BioShock 2 hacking, 1 would be just as great in my opinion, just in different ways.
Its a mixed bag. 2 did some things welll but I think the story in the original outshines the second. I literally ran through both within a 24 period yesterday, and the second one really was a lot of white noise when i was going through it. I didnt realize how much Lamb tried to be another Ryan and she just never hit those highs. Gameplay is definetly more polished in 2, though. So, while the story is weaker. I like the additions to the core gameplay loop.
Bioshock 2 on launch was broken as fuck, and for me the killer was the annoying HUD overlay of the helmet porthole and not being able to turn it off. That coupled with the low-fov just made playing the game unbearable!
System shock 2 does better job of guiding the player than System Shock 1 but both suffer from some really horrible design - in particular back tracking, major orientation issues with in levels & un-explained puzzles or puzzles that only make since if you've heard/remembered the content of an audio log. BioShock does a much better job in all of these aspects and if you play particularly SS2 it's really obvious to see why BioShock is the way it is.
The escort mission at the end of BioShock just sucks all the momentum out of the game. I dread that part whenever I replay the game. B2 gameplay is more fun and consistent, I've replayed it far more often than BioShock.
God damn. Something I don't understand is why can't we just respect each other's opinions. Like the Elder scrolls thing. I think Morrowind is the best Elder scrolls while many will say Oblivion and many more Skyrim. I'm not gonna call your taste trash just because I disagree. Anyway, thanks for bringing that thing up at the start Jarek 👍🏻
2:10 Ha, System Shock babies first immersive sim. Go play the first Deus Ex to find out what a *REAL* immersive sim looks like. What, why you think I'm a condescending prick?
There's a few things I like about Bioshock 2, but Bioshock 1 is the best one imo, Bioshock 2 feels like it's trying to be faster paced but Infinite already does the fast paced Bioshock best, and yet it wants to be slower than Infinite, which just leaves it in an awkward spot where it feels off and isn't a good feeling game. However I played all 3 on PS3, so maybe 2's port to ps3 was just bad
Ok, so the argument of system shock 2, the game has a cool story, cool villians and overall cool way you can play but another you tuber once said "System shock 2 has a few correct ways of being played but a lot of wrong builds". I can understand why Bioshock is more popular plus well bioshock came out, gaming was bigger. Plus NightDive studio is remaking system shock 2 and here hoping some awkwardness is refined out. As for Bioshock 2, its good, its great to have an equally fascinating and delusional villain all the while giving you a reason to have a singular goal despite what was left on the cutting room floor. Bioshock 2 when I last played recently, I decided to look up the background images and holy crap, the city being in ruin is an understatement. Like you have an entire building destroyed at the base and leaning against another. As for the choices, well I will say, after the first moral choice of "spare or kill", it becomes harder, second, its hard but something to think about, the last one is a major holy fuck.
I got into Bioshock late when the sequel already had a bad rep to the point of people recommended skipping it. Glad I didn't. Story is story, but as a GAME, Bioshock 2 just feels better to play than 1. Or Infinite.
People already hating on “Judas”based off a trailer.. Too many kids grew up to be media snobs that never tried game design personally. Wish there was more respect for hard work.
BioShock 2 was my first BioShock as a kid and it took me a long time to actually get to BioShock 1, which is honestly easily one of my favorite games period. I think narratively BioShock 1 is better but BioShock 2 has more refined gameplay. Both are fantastic games. Also system shock 2 is one of the best games ever made period 😂 it doesnt get much better than that. Enjoy all 3
Last time i tried to play Bioshock 2 Remastered, the sprite for light coming from the flying drone was a huge square for some reason. Reinstalling did nothing. So, yeah, that remaster was HL Source level of crap.
BioShock 2 is really good, although i *LOATHE* sofia lamb, she´s a well written villain, but ffs, how i wanted to boil her up from the first 5 minutes she appeared
I love Bioshock in general, I lean towards 2 a little bit more but I also replay the first game a lot. However I haven't played System Shock at all, and I really want to get into the roots of the series. And thumbs up for the "STFU" to those comments, they suck a$$. 😂
Imo story wise bioshock 1 has the better story, lore and characters. But the gameplay and the overall feel of the game are better in 2. + Minerva’s den is so good ( its story being even better than 1’s imo).
Bioshock 1 and 2 are like Star Wars and Star Trek but flipped. On the surface they seem to be similar in story, if you only focus on the city that is, but at the end of the day one is more about the mind while one is more about the heart. Ironically with TV and movies it seems people care more about the emotions they invoke while in games it is more about the mind.
I just played the trilogy for the first time over the past few weeks and I've got to say without being influenced by nostalgia or anything, that Bioshock 2 was the best of the bunch.
Bioshock 2 is my favorite in the series. It improved a lot of things and the story was more straightforward. People were just expecting a plot twist like the first game.
I think bioshock 1 has the better narrative and characters but bioshock 2 has better gameplay (imo) thanks to the amount of customisation and upgrades. Both are absolutely fantastic though
The main criticism I hear from this game is that it's too similar to the first. And if I bought it at launch and paid that much, then I would have agreed. But I played it though the collection, and I definitely had a blast with 2.
I legit thought Bioshock 2 was better than 1 when it came out and still feel that way. I'd actually argue the story is better too. The story has no big twist but it's more emotionally resonant.
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What I really like about Bioshock 2 (aside from improved gameplay mechanics) is that the ending isn't solely based on the player's trreatment of the Little Sisters like it was in the first game. You're playing as someone (or something) created specifically to PROTECT the Little Sisters, so unless you want to get the worst possible ending, it doesn't make sense to kill those little girls just to get more ADAM.
Also, it's pretty ironic that despite her ideology, Sofia Lamb basically turned Rapture into a hive and made herself the queen bee.
"Also, it's pretty ironic that despite her ideology, Sofia Lamb basically turned Rapture into a hive and made herself the queen bee."
It just like animal farm “All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.”
That's the spirit of bioshock 1 as well according to Ken Levine, no utopia works when people are so flawed and carry baggage with us by default. Ryan basically turned big gov when thing went out of his hand.
Everyone owns the car, but I get to drive it.
I hated 2 at launch, but after replaying it recently, it's my favorite.
Dual weilding and streamlined hacking is great. Minervas Den had the best story, imo.
I always bind the camera to a easy to reach key like G so I can push it real quick to equip me, click to activate, then go to a weapon and resume.
Yes
Bioshock 2 is the best Bioshock like Warrior Within is the best Prince of Persia
To me it is. I LOVED Bioshock, but 2 REALLY made me feel a lot. It was badass running around with the Big Daddy arsenal, but also the story. GOD, I really felt like a father on the way to save my daughter and it genuinely made me cry at the end.
The ending is amazing honestly, one of the best game endings i ever saw.
Have you dried your tears yet little buddy?
It's ok im here for you
@@GORILLA_PIMP don't ingest so much chode, you become what you eat
Same my friend, same
The original saying
“Blood is thicker than water” is actually
“The blood of the covenant is thicker than water of the womb.”
Meaning the family you choose is more important than the family you are born into.
Bioshock 2 is better in my opinion. First game was revolutionary when it came out though, that's for sure.
2 has a better protagonist, better antagonist , better hacking, better camera, more challenging enemies, more combat variety, better weapons, etc…
Totally true!
As a lore with stories! I helluva love this game
First still good and fine, but second one
Oof
the first game was literally just a rehash of systemshock 2 in the unreal 3 engine.
No it wasn't
Bioshock 2 was a fine sequel, first bioshock is amazing and that is all.
A big retcon that comes from Burial is that they made it that Big Daddies were always around, even the more advanced Bouncer type. Apparently they were just repurposed to be protectors. The first two games and especially two make it clear that Little Sisters came first while Big Daddies were made to protect them afterwards. So many videos seem to get this wrong because they buy the horribly retconned Burial lore so I'm glad that you got it right here.
I’m just glad you can chalk that up to being the multiple timelines and that the Rapture you’re at in the first two games is a different timeline with no Elizabeth. At least that’s what I like to think.
@redraptorwrites6778 I always assumed they were originally not called Big Daddies. but did exist in that form, to do the deep sea construction and maintenance. I thought they only really started to be called Big Daddies around the same time the Little Sisters were created. But yea i agree Infinite and especially Burial At Sea are horrible, and introduced some terrible plot holes and bad retcons.
Calling Bioshock 1 "casual trash" is the most blatant way of saying "i play multiplayer games only and dont care about story at all"
I loved bioshock 2 at launch and still do to this day. Comparing is hard, its like comparing alien and aliens. Two different vibes and tones. However the improved camera and hacking made b2 a lot more fun
For me it's:
1. Bioshock
2. Bioshock 2: Minerva's Den
3. Bioshock 2
4. Bioshock Infinite: Burial At Sea 1-2
5. Bioshock Infinite
I also remember that when B2 was released it received a lukewarm reception, which is sad 'cause gameplay-wise it's more fun than B1, but B1 had better story and overall it's more memorable. Love both of those games + Minerva DLC, but Infinite... well Infinite... I wish it didn't exist. It's not a bad game, love the story and the visuals, but the dumbed down COD style gameplay is not for me. Hated the weapon limit (reminded me of Duke Nukem Forever and that's not good) and how the game dragged on for too long. Overall, Bioshock is a fantastic series, Infinite is the only disappointment for me cause the more I play all of these games the more I love 1-2-Minerva, but Infinite... it's the other way around... it gets worse... still a good game, but not as good as the previous ones, that's for sure. Now would you kindly go and play System Shock Remake? It's a little bit clunky, but fun :)
I definitely remember Infinite dragging at some points too. Even when I replayed it semi recently, I found myself trying to sprint to the finish cause I was just ready to be done with it. I still liked it overall, but it didn't have the same magic that B1 and 2, B1 most of all, for me personally
@@CargoShorts7 Well said :)
I played all 3 games back to back. And yes, Bioshock 2 was the best.
I feel like this debate can be boiled down to one sentence, "Bioshock 2 is a great game that has the misfortune of being the sequel to one of the best games to come out of the golden age of video games".
They're still both better than Infinite imo. Infinite really was meh but surprised its received like its the best game ever made
infinite is especially disappointing if you followed development for years, all the interesting concepts and possibilities they showed off, most of it was cut. there's no key choice moments besides the ball throw and the bird/cage, two other choices they showed off were cut. tears were cut down to the point where they're just slightly different environmental combat options. they had plans for multiversal traversal through tears and other stuff, all cut. they cut so much stuff just to finish the game, it'd be less painful if they hadn't used so much of the cut content in marketing.
its not "bad" but its lacking all the charme Bioshock is supposed to have@@Grandmastergav86
we all have our opinions and some just need to let it go. glad you talked about the games and the divide it has. can't wait to hear your thoughts on Infinite.
Oh boy I swear I have more to say about the reception of infinite than I do the game itself
Will be one great video@@Jarekthegamingdragon
@@Jarekthegamingdragon As someone who didn't really like Bioshock 1 or 2 but loved Infinite, I really am curious to hear your thoughts.
I think one reason that Bioshock 2 got so much hate on launch was because they included online multiplayer. I can't say if it was good or not I never played it. However there were a lot of fans that didn't want it in Bioshock so that might explain some of the negativity.
the multiplayer in that game was actually pretty decent, probably the one of best MP of the "tacked on MP" era of games in the late 00s early 10s
@@docmitchell4658 Huh....kinda wish I had given it a shot then. Ah well at least we still have the campaign.
@@docmitchell4658 Agreed. I remember thinking it was gonna be bad when B2 came out, but I was really surprised by it. It was actually pretty fun for what it offered, especially if you were a big fan of the Bioshock universe and just wanted more of it
I was always a bioshock2 man. The first game never hit me as hard as others the "twists' fell flat on my first playthrough and the gameplay wasn't standout.
i’ve rarely been as enveloped in a game as much as i have with bioshock 2, this game was such a fixation when i first played it and it only feels like it’s gotten better over the years
Bioshock 2 had better gameplay Bioshock 1 had better story.
Yes, and those who disagree were just dissapointed that a sequel felt like a sequel and not as new and revolutionary as the first game. 2 iterates on everything 1 did on a mechanical level and the story is fine, even if Lamb isn't built up as well as Ryan. The only thing I ever disliked about 2 was not being able to go back to previous levels.
1 had the better story, and was more iconic. 2 simply has better gameplay mechanics. That and 1's endings wrapped things up nicely, it didn't _need_ a sequel.
I like the narrative and level design of the first game but the gameplay and hacking in the 2nd game is significantly better. I played System Shock 2 last year as somebody who was born in 98 so I have no prior nostalgia tied to it and I liked it quite a lot despite some of its jank due to age. I think Bioshock and System Shock 2 are pretty even, its kind of gameplay and QOL improvements versus deeper RPG elements and a more sci-fi aesthetic with in my opinion the most bad-ass antagonists in videogames in Shodan.
System Shock 2 Is quite smooth to play and Immersive with mods. Gameplay Is quite funn. There Is really a joy to explore every deck In the game.
It is the best on the series for me, personally. Bioshock 1 might be an all time classic, but the second one is just plain fun, while maintaining a good story.
I recently went back and played this and remembered why it was my favorite of the trilogy. People used to say that Bioshock 2 was the worst of the trilogy, but I guess they have changed their minds since then. For me, I feel like the gameplay is a big step up from the original, and I like the level design a little more too. Plus there's the Minerva's Den DLC which is pretty good too. From what I remember as a kid, I think it played Bioshock 2 way more than the others, although I still have a few playthroughs on the other 2 as well.
Infinite is best… fight me
The infinite DLC were peak
Jarek you should play star trek voyager elite force. its heavily inspired by half life
I don't think BioShock 2 is better than BioShock 1, but I do think they're both solid 10/10 in their own unique ways
I played both back to back. And bioshock 2 falls in that category of sequels where the developers know that the fear of unknown is gone. So they aim for a more action focused game. Which to me is actually a really good approach. It always feels natural when games do that. Bioshock 2 is a more polished and action focused experience. They fixed nearly everything I felt was annoying or unnecessary about the first game. Mainly being the hacking mini games. But I’d be lying if I said I remember that game more than I did the first game. The first game just has soo many good moments. All which will be stuck with me for a very long time. But I barely remember anything about bioshock 2. The narrative isn’t bad in bioshock 2. But the first games narrative is soo good, it would be impossible to make one better. So gameplay wise yeah maybe bioshock 2 is better. But bioshock 1 is soo much more memorable
Never got why the story in 2 is considered worse than that of 1, but I'd guess getting the tweeeest spoiled plus the overwhelming praise made me approach it with expectations that didn't help. Might be unfair to see it as just an interactive Shyamaladingdong movie, but that's all it is to me - besides an introduction to an inspired setting.
2 on the other hand - no spoilers, no expectations and it just worked. Curious if that's a common experience among those of us who think 2 isn't just better as a game but also a better told story. After the first playthrough Ellies scream in the intro gets me every time on replays.
Kinda wish the tactical options had gotten at least some spotlight in this review. Whether it's a fight against other Daddies, Big Sisters or the harvesting minigame, you have a chance to prepare an arena before the chaos starts. Makes a bigger difference than the more immediate gameplay changes like dual wielding plasmid plus weapon in my opinion.
Lamb was pretty lame compared to Fontaine and Ryan as far as the story/protagonist. Having the story ruined before playing 1 took a lot of the thunder out for sure which influenced you while playing.
Minerva's Den basically saves Bioshock 2 from just being Bioshock 1 with better gameplay and a meh story imo. Without that DLC Bioshock 2 isn't much better than Infinite.
@@Jrock420blami agree with lamb being lame when compared to Fontaine my only complaint with bioshock 2 was the ending was anti climatic when i first played back then i was expecting a boss fight similar to bioshock 1 i was disappointed that the “boss fight” was just waves of enemies thrown at you plus by the time you get towards the end your so overpowered with upgrades that the enemies don’t really present a challenge at all
I love Politics in Video Games
Nowadays some people consider having to play a woman character or a black character is "political."
@@Gatorade69 heaven forbid you get to select your gender or race in an RPG today, all hell breaks loose on social media
Unironically though yes
Commenting before watching to say that as a kid I played Bioshock 1 and 2 as they released, and the general consensus at the time was that 2 was a huge letdown somehow story-wise but everyone also praised the improved gunplay and playing as a Big Daddy. I think at the time “Would you kindly?” was still so fresh and groundbreaking that nothing the sequel did would ever have hit as hard. All that said, over the years I’ve always gone back for a yearly playthrough of both and I’ve always been a big fan of the story, I personally believe it rises nearly to the level of the original. I think both games suffer from lackluster endings, a trend that would continue with infinite (in regards to Burial at Sea imo taking things a step too far in retconning aspects of the canon).
Yes.
I like 1 & 2 equally, I replay them back to back when I get that Bioshock itch. I always thought 2 got way too much shit even as a diehard Bioshock 1 fan. And Minerva's Den is like top 3 DLCs ever made
I have always considered BioShock 2 to be the best of the series
Edit: Been on and preferred Xbox damn near my whole gaming life, just as a disclaimer.
Bioshock 2 is my least favorite of the three but its still pretty great. I have beat it around 3 or 4 times. I just got tired of defending little sisters. It also felt like the exploration wasn't as good. It didn't feel like they tried hiding Tonics and stuff as well. I enjoyed looking for them in the first game.
so about killing gilbert being considered morally bad, i believe its because if you kill him its as if youre only seeing a monster that needs to be killed (or "put out of his misery", as you said), but by sparing him you look past the dramatic " alex the great" and recognize him as a person.
ignoring whatever actions he might have done, the thing is that alex, like delta or any big daddy, is pretty much a different being from his pre-mutation self, so the moral dilemma is if you can see him, and by extension any big daddy/little girl, as a person or as a monster
Minerva’s Den is one of the best DLC contents ever made imo, so I’m looking forward to that.
Though I’m more interested in seeing you cover Infinite. Holy crap, if you thought people had strong opinions on the first two games, you haven’t seen anything yet.
Personally, I find it to be a game that, opposite to Bioshock 2, gets worse with age.
Bioshock 2 is my favorite
Question -- What is the best way to play Bioshock 1 and 2 on PC here in 2024? I've got the itch to return to Rapture, especially to reexperience these gems on the Steam Deck, but after watching videos comparing the OGs to the remastered versions, it looks like the OGs look better in almost every way except a few. I only see the remastered versions for sale on Steam, but is there a way to play the OGs on PC, or are we just stuck with the inferior remastered versions?
Might be late for response, but if you buy bishock remastered, you will also get the original game. Same applies for bioshock 2. The bioshock collection also includes both the original and remastered version.
I remember the Multiplayer for this being awesome! It was always fun watching people make montage videos on this game. I was shocked hearing that the game got a bit of hate.
While I loved the first one, the second was more fun to play. The combos of plasmids with weapons are neat. Apart the main game, the multiplayer is very fun.
I've only played each game once but will say that Bioshock 2 is definitely more fun to play and gets the edge for gameplay over the first game. Story, tho is quite hard for me as i really did enjoy both and think I need another playthrough to decide properly
BioShock 1 has a better environment just by the nature of it being the first game. Rapture is fresh to the player. I think it also has better player movement (mainly because you can stack two athlete plasmids and turn the entire game into doom).
BioShock 2 on the other hand has far better gameplay. Dual-wield, more interesting plasmid upgrades (fully upgraded telekinesis, my beloved) recording enemies instead of having to spam pictures on every enemy you fight. Better weapon balance as well, electric gel was so busted for big daddy fights in the first game, especially when you were able to double the amount of ammo when crafting
I largely prefer 2 over 1 but I always felt like it was a graphical downgrade. The blood for example doesn't really look like blood.
I still prefer Bioshock 1. I think people tend to exagerate Bioshock 2's gameplay improvements. Meanwhile, storywise Bioshock 1 is infinitely better than 2.
Who thought it was a good idea to have cycling between plasmids Q and Z? So much more convenient to just use scroll wheel.
A bold question to raise... I love the bioshock 1 & 2 experience. My favorite single player experience ever and i actually consider them 1 game more like a double album. ... As standalone games though, on ps3 which is how i owned them (although i did play Bioshock 1 on 360), imho, Bioshock 2 is superior and more fun in everyway except story because its more bioshock 1 lore rather than ANOTHER stand alone Bioshock experience. That was iNFiNiTE and iT failed but thats besides the point . That moment you first discover Rapture and the following 30 mins of walking around i will cherish as a gamer forever. That game gave so much to me on several levels. But yes, the multiplayer in 2 is outstanding. An id rather play as Alpha all day every day. ... I wish i could go to a thriving version of Rapture when i die.
After playing all 3 back to back I'd have to say 2 is my favorite but I think that again came down to its feel being better then the first and the fact it was still at rapture. All in all great games tho
I was always playing 2 a lot. A lot more then bioshock 1. I think that stands for something.
Also what every small youtuber nowadays is either anime femboy or furry? Don't take this personally but I really don't get this trend.
I once played through the entirety of Bioshock 2 using only the drill (outside of using the lightning plazmid for doors), and man it was a WILD ride! Launching myself at every enemy was so fun, especially in the final battle while you destroy the water tanks and have 30+ enemies after you. It felt like the church scene from Kingsmen 😁
saying far cry 4 has a worse story then far cry 3, is just ignoring the second half of far cry 3 after vaas dies, far cry 3's story imo isnt as good as everyone says it is, while i think vaas is a interesting character and the story has some really good symbolism and such with player/jason slowly becoming mass killers and expert soldiers, alot of the stuff surrounding those two things are severe let downs, again in my opinion, i also dont like far cry 5 at all which everyone i've seen talk about it likes, and 2's my favorite
I didn't say FC3's story was good, I said it was better than FC4's story. Neither are great. Far cry 5's story would be fine if the ending wasn't awful. FC5 is a great game though, gets too much hate.
@@Jarekthegamingdragon i dont like 5s mission structure i think it relies to heavily on the ubisoft sandbox which after a decade of it i just got sour too
@@Jarekthegamingdragonalthough about fc4s story not being great, i can understand aj as a main character has no real reason to be doing all the shit he does and some of the main bosses dont have any presence except for de plur i couldn't name one, but i really enjoyed the other characters you talked to and that no faction was either right or hell even good, it reminded me a lot of far cry 2s story but with a lot more idk how to say, context? theres more of a connection with the golden path then you have with any of the people in far cry 2, i really wanted 6 to go back to that far cry 2 grit but the moment i saw the dog with the wheel chair i clocked out
I'm one of those people who didn't play Bioshock games until like ten years after release. Went in totally blind and found myself liking Bioshock 2 the best. Then I played System Shock enhanced edition a year or two later. System Shock seemed like it had deeper mechanics with all the patches and ammo types oh and the variety in minigames. Bioshock just had those annoying "flow" puzzles
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@@sillygoose4263 you're right thanks
Yes; the original's feels slightly dated in comparison, and its WYK twist at the end of the 2nd act made the 3rd drag out painfully slow, and underwhelming. Infinite was a jumbled mess of ambitious ideas with rubbish execution, story-wise. BioShock 2 is what I'd call just right.
One thing the Remaster did was fix the physics being locked to 30 in BS2. There's no unlocker for the original BS2 like there is for BS1 whereas the remaster has a higher fps cap on physics. Not worth sound and lighting tradeoff but still worth mentioning.
Something about Jarek swearing, is so ... therapeutically calming
The combat in 2 is better than the first, the story not so much. However the DLC for Bioshock 2 "Minerva's Den" was better than the main game of Bioshock 2 and up there with Bioshock 1 (maybe even better). However this is only my opinion.
Also Bioshock IS NOT AN IMMERSIVE SIM (and that is fine). I don't see why people even try to call it one, and I have seen people call it that. The only options you have in the game is good or bad ending and 'how will you kill this enemy."
Edit : I would recommend you try the Bioshock 2 DLC. Ahh, OK you mention your playing it next. Good. It comes highly recommended by me.
i hold a very similar opinion myself about both bioshock 1 and 2 and the fact people call these games immersive sims
@@Jrock420blamThere's a RUclipsr who can be really cool or really damn stupid. I like some of what he does and other times I laugh. He always keeps trying to ask the question "is X an immersive sim" and I find that really stupid. He keeps saying BioShock is an immersive sim and then goes on to say infinite is 'somewhat' of an immersive sim, it's like they play very similar and both have no element of choice or how you want to handle something. I mean he made a video asking is Metal Gear Solid 5 is an immersive sim (lol) but when I think about it MGS5 allows you so many more options about how to go about the thing you are doing than BioShock ever does, and on top of that he missed a majority of the stuff you can even do in MGS5 cause he didn't think outside of the box.
Yes bioshock 2 better🎉🎉
still disappointed with the mess that ended up being Bioshock 2 compared to 1 but im glad you enjoyed it for what it is. I will say Minerva Den was good though, Bioshock 2 story was just too garbage for me to fully enjoy the improvements they were able to make from the first
BS1 for story, BS2 for combat
I would personally consider 1 and 2 equals if it wasn't for that GOD AWFUL hacking "minigame" that plagues Bioshock 1. It's so slow. And tedious. If there were a mod that patches in BioShock 2 hacking, 1 would be just as great in my opinion, just in different ways.
Bioshock 2 is definitely superior to the first one when it's about the gameplay it perfected, but the 1 still has better levels though.
Its a mixed bag. 2 did some things welll but I think the story in the original outshines the second. I literally ran through both within a 24 period yesterday, and the second one really was a lot of white noise when i was going through it. I didnt realize how much Lamb tried to be another Ryan and she just never hit those highs. Gameplay is definetly more polished in 2, though. So, while the story is weaker. I like the additions to the core gameplay loop.
Bioshock 2 on launch was broken as fuck, and for me the killer was the annoying HUD overlay of the helmet porthole and not being able to turn it off. That coupled with the low-fov just made playing the game unbearable!
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Bioshock 2 is just Bioshock 1 with more features and polished mechanics, but no surprise factor. Makes it kinda hard to say which one is better.
System shock 2 does better job of guiding the player than System Shock 1 but both suffer from some really horrible design - in particular back tracking, major orientation issues with in levels & un-explained puzzles or puzzles that only make since if you've heard/remembered the content of an audio log. BioShock does a much better job in all of these aspects and if you play particularly SS2 it's really obvious to see why BioShock is the way it is.
Is NO ONE going to point out the FACT that Bioshock 2 has the GREATEST loading screen in video game HISTORY?! It’s not even debatable…
The escort mission at the end of BioShock just sucks all the momentum out of the game.
I dread that part whenever I replay the game.
B2 gameplay is more fun and consistent, I've replayed it far more often than BioShock.
God damn. Something I don't understand is why can't we just respect each other's opinions. Like the Elder scrolls thing. I think Morrowind is the best Elder scrolls while many will say Oblivion and many more Skyrim. I'm not gonna call your taste trash just because I disagree. Anyway, thanks for bringing that thing up at the start Jarek 👍🏻
I loved bioshock 2 man..
Bioshock 2 is my favorite of the series. It has better gameplay and a more touching story than BS 1. I didn't like Infinite.
2:10 Ha, System Shock babies first immersive sim. Go play the first Deus Ex to find out what a *REAL* immersive sim looks like. What, why you think I'm a condescending prick?
There's a few things I like about Bioshock 2, but Bioshock 1 is the best one imo, Bioshock 2 feels like it's trying to be faster paced but Infinite already does the fast paced Bioshock best, and yet it wants to be slower than Infinite, which just leaves it in an awkward spot where it feels off and isn't a good feeling game. However I played all 3 on PS3, so maybe 2's port to ps3 was just bad
Simple answer:
Yes!
Complex answer:
Yes! Better combat, powers and gameplay mechanics, and much better ending. Plus, we had MP, which was legendary!
Ok, so the argument of system shock 2, the game has a cool story, cool villians and overall cool way you can play but another you tuber once said "System shock 2 has a few correct ways of being played but a lot of wrong builds".
I can understand why Bioshock is more popular plus well bioshock came out, gaming was bigger.
Plus NightDive studio is remaking system shock 2 and here hoping some awkwardness is refined out.
As for Bioshock 2, its good, its great to have an equally fascinating and delusional villain all the while giving you a reason to have a singular goal despite what was left on the cutting room floor.
Bioshock 2 when I last played recently, I decided to look up the background images and holy crap, the city being in ruin is an understatement.
Like you have an entire building destroyed at the base and leaning against another.
As for the choices, well I will say, after the first moral choice of "spare or kill", it becomes harder, second, its hard but something to think about, the last one is a major holy fuck.
I got into Bioshock late when the sequel already had a bad rep to the point of people recommended skipping it.
Glad I didn't. Story is story, but as a GAME, Bioshock 2 just feels better to play than 1. Or Infinite.
People already hating on “Judas”based off a trailer.. Too many kids grew up to be media snobs that never tried game design personally. Wish there was more respect for hard work.
BioShock 2 was my first BioShock as a kid and it took me a long time to actually get to BioShock 1, which is honestly easily one of my favorite games period. I think narratively BioShock 1 is better but BioShock 2 has more refined gameplay. Both are fantastic games. Also system shock 2 is one of the best games ever made period 😂 it doesnt get much better than that. Enjoy all 3
Last time i tried to play Bioshock 2 Remastered, the sprite for light coming from the flying drone was a huge square for some reason. Reinstalling did nothing. So, yeah, that remaster was HL Source level of crap.
BioShock 2 is really good, although i *LOATHE* sofia lamb, she´s a well written villain, but ffs, how i wanted to boil her up from the first 5 minutes she appeared
I love Bioshock in general, I lean towards 2 a little bit more but I also replay the first game a lot. However I haven't played System Shock at all, and I really want to get into the roots of the series. And thumbs up for the "STFU" to those comments, they suck a$$. 😂
Elitists push people away from classic games and it makes me mad. So many good games have toxic followings.
BioShock Infinite is better then 1 and 2 =)
you are filthy casual that is in it for the spectacle then mechanics!... but I respect you.
You called a casual person who has completed 652 games to date. BioShock Infinite has the best story in the series
Imo story wise bioshock 1 has the better story, lore and characters. But the gameplay and the overall feel of the game are better in 2. + Minerva’s den is so good ( its story being even better than 1’s imo).
Bioshock 1 and 2 are like Star Wars and Star Trek but flipped. On the surface they seem to be similar in story, if you only focus on the city that is, but at the end of the day one is more about the mind while one is more about the heart. Ironically with TV and movies it seems people care more about the emotions they invoke while in games it is more about the mind.
I just played the trilogy for the first time over the past few weeks and I've got to say without being influenced by nostalgia or anything, that Bioshock 2 was the best of the bunch.
Ah yes the best of the BioShock games. Not just in the gameplay but story too. Eat your heart out Kenny Levenee
Bioshock 2 is my favorite in the series. It improved a lot of things and the story was more straightforward. People were just expecting a plot twist like the first game.
story and characters, no. level design, eh. gameplay, yes. But the DLC beats anything in bioshock 1.
I think bioshock 1 has the better narrative and characters but bioshock 2 has better gameplay (imo) thanks to the amount of customisation and upgrades. Both are absolutely fantastic though
The main criticism I hear from this game is that it's too similar to the first. And if I bought it at launch and paid that much, then I would have agreed.
But I played it though the collection, and I definitely had a blast with 2.
Bioshock 2 is the Bioshock gameplay perfected. It’s so much fun to play, and puts Infinte to absolute shame.
First game human, second big daddy. Obviously bioshock 2
Now 1 one rushed you on the story but is still an amazing game however 2 is way better because of its immersive and amazing story
9:19 Dude not even joking, this is the deepest shit I have ever heard you said.
I legit thought Bioshock 2 was better than 1 when it came out and still feel that way. I'd actually argue the story is better too. The story has no big twist but it's more emotionally resonant.
Only one thing thats better is that you dont have to switch plasmids and weapons in Bioshock 2. NO...Bioshock 2 isnt better than first one.
Im in the camp that Bioshock 2 is better. 2 has always been my favorite Bioshock game. Im about due for another replay of the series
Bioshock 2 is like RE5 for me
Simple story but better gameplay than previous game