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What I really like about Bioshock 2 (aside from improved gameplay mechanics) is that the ending isn't solely based on the player's trreatment of the Little Sisters like it was in the first game. You're playing as someone (or something) created specifically to PROTECT the Little Sisters, so unless you want to get the worst possible ending, it doesn't make sense to kill those little girls just to get more ADAM. Also, it's pretty ironic that despite her ideology, Sofia Lamb basically turned Rapture into a hive and made herself the queen bee.
"Also, it's pretty ironic that despite her ideology, Sofia Lamb basically turned Rapture into a hive and made herself the queen bee." It just like animal farm “All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.”
That's the spirit of bioshock 1 as well according to Ken Levine, no utopia works when people are so flawed and carry baggage with us by default. Ryan basically turned big gov when thing went out of his hand.
The original saying “Blood is thicker than water” is actually “The blood of the covenant is thicker than water of the womb.” Meaning the family you choose is more important than the family you are born into.
A big retcon that comes from Burial is that they made it that Big Daddies were always around, even the more advanced Bouncer type. Apparently they were just repurposed to be protectors. The first two games and especially two make it clear that Little Sisters came first while Big Daddies were made to protect them afterwards. So many videos seem to get this wrong because they buy the horribly retconned Burial lore so I'm glad that you got it right here.
I’m just glad you can chalk that up to being the multiple timelines and that the Rapture you’re at in the first two games is a different timeline with no Elizabeth. At least that’s what I like to think.
@redraptorwrites6778 I always assumed they were originally not called Big Daddies. but did exist in that form, to do the deep sea construction and maintenance. I thought they only really started to be called Big Daddies around the same time the Little Sisters were created. But yea i agree Infinite and especially Burial At Sea are horrible, and introduced some terrible plot holes and bad retcons.
To me it is. I LOVED Bioshock, but 2 REALLY made me feel a lot. It was badass running around with the Big Daddy arsenal, but also the story. GOD, I really felt like a father on the way to save my daughter and it genuinely made me cry at the end.
I hated 2 at launch, but after replaying it recently, it's my favorite. Dual weilding and streamlined hacking is great. Minervas Den had the best story, imo.
I feel like this debate can be boiled down to one sentence, "Bioshock 2 is a great game that has the misfortune of being the sequel to one of the best games to come out of the golden age of video games".
i’ve rarely been as enveloped in a game as much as i have with bioshock 2, this game was such a fixation when i first played it and it only feels like it’s gotten better over the years
I loved bioshock 2 at launch and still do to this day. Comparing is hard, its like comparing alien and aliens. Two different vibes and tones. However the improved camera and hacking made b2 a lot more fun
For me it's: 1. Bioshock 2. Bioshock 2: Minerva's Den 3. Bioshock 2 4. Bioshock Infinite: Burial At Sea 1-2 5. Bioshock Infinite I also remember that when B2 was released it received a lukewarm reception, which is sad 'cause gameplay-wise it's more fun than B1, but B1 had better story and overall it's more memorable. Love both of those games + Minerva DLC, but Infinite... well Infinite... I wish it didn't exist. It's not a bad game, love the story and the visuals, but the dumbed down COD style gameplay is not for me. Hated the weapon limit (reminded me of Duke Nukem Forever and that's not good) and how the game dragged on for too long. Overall, Bioshock is a fantastic series, Infinite is the only disappointment for me cause the more I play all of these games the more I love 1-2-Minerva, but Infinite... it's the other way around... it gets worse... still a good game, but not as good as the previous ones, that's for sure. Now would you kindly go and play System Shock Remake? It's a little bit clunky, but fun :)
I definitely remember Infinite dragging at some points too. Even when I replayed it semi recently, I found myself trying to sprint to the finish cause I was just ready to be done with it. I still liked it overall, but it didn't have the same magic that B1 and 2, B1 most of all, for me personally
I think one reason that Bioshock 2 got so much hate on launch was because they included online multiplayer. I can't say if it was good or not I never played it. However there were a lot of fans that didn't want it in Bioshock so that might explain some of the negativity.
@@docmitchell4658 Agreed. I remember thinking it was gonna be bad when B2 came out, but I was really surprised by it. It was actually pretty fun for what it offered, especially if you were a big fan of the Bioshock universe and just wanted more of it
we all have our opinions and some just need to let it go. glad you talked about the games and the divide it has. can't wait to hear your thoughts on Infinite.
I was always a bioshock2 man. The first game never hit me as hard as others the "twists' fell flat on my first playthrough and the gameplay wasn't standout.
so about killing gilbert being considered morally bad, i believe its because if you kill him its as if youre only seeing a monster that needs to be killed (or "put out of his misery", as you said), but by sparing him you look past the dramatic " alex the great" and recognize him as a person. ignoring whatever actions he might have done, the thing is that alex, like delta or any big daddy, is pretty much a different being from his pre-mutation self, so the moral dilemma is if you can see him, and by extension any big daddy/little girl, as a person or as a monster
The video camera is a genius mechanic that gives players an incentive to experiment how to kill different enemies. If you kill then with different weapons, ammo and plasmids, you earn more xp to unlock perks against them while at the same time learning their weaknesses.
@@Jarekthegamingdragon What? No, Eternal was definitely not encouraging that with its combat system. Why should I experiment when I can just use a grenade to practically one-shot a caco or use the shotgun grenade launcher/assault rifle focus shot to auto-cripple an arachnotron? It was designed to be played a certain way and the devs even said that. That's not experimentation, that's rock paper scissors.
It is the best on the series for me, personally. Bioshock 1 might be an all time classic, but the second one is just plain fun, while maintaining a good story.
I remember the Multiplayer for this being awesome! It was always fun watching people make montage videos on this game. I was shocked hearing that the game got a bit of hate.
I recently went back and played this and remembered why it was my favorite of the trilogy. People used to say that Bioshock 2 was the worst of the trilogy, but I guess they have changed their minds since then. For me, I feel like the gameplay is a big step up from the original, and I like the level design a little more too. Plus there's the Minerva's Den DLC which is pretty good too. From what I remember as a kid, I think it played Bioshock 2 way more than the others, although I still have a few playthroughs on the other 2 as well.
I played both back to back. And bioshock 2 falls in that category of sequels where the developers know that the fear of unknown is gone. So they aim for a more action focused game. Which to me is actually a really good approach. It always feels natural when games do that. Bioshock 2 is a more polished and action focused experience. They fixed nearly everything I felt was annoying or unnecessary about the first game. Mainly being the hacking mini games. But I’d be lying if I said I remember that game more than I did the first game. The first game just has soo many good moments. All which will be stuck with me for a very long time. But I barely remember anything about bioshock 2. The narrative isn’t bad in bioshock 2. But the first games narrative is soo good, it would be impossible to make one better. So gameplay wise yeah maybe bioshock 2 is better. But bioshock 1 is soo much more memorable
Never got why the story in 2 is considered worse than that of 1, but I'd guess getting the tweeeest spoiled plus the overwhelming praise made me approach it with expectations that didn't help. Might be unfair to see it as just an interactive Shyamaladingdong movie, but that's all it is to me - besides an introduction to an inspired setting. 2 on the other hand - no spoilers, no expectations and it just worked. Curious if that's a common experience among those of us who think 2 isn't just better as a game but also a better told story. After the first playthrough Ellies scream in the intro gets me every time on replays. Kinda wish the tactical options had gotten at least some spotlight in this review. Whether it's a fight against other Daddies, Big Sisters or the harvesting minigame, you have a chance to prepare an arena before the chaos starts. Makes a bigger difference than the more immediate gameplay changes like dual wielding plasmid plus weapon in my opinion.
Lamb was pretty lame compared to Fontaine and Ryan as far as the story/protagonist. Having the story ruined before playing 1 took a lot of the thunder out for sure which influenced you while playing. Minerva's Den basically saves Bioshock 2 from just being Bioshock 1 with better gameplay and a meh story imo. Without that DLC Bioshock 2 isn't much better than Infinite.
@@Jrock420blami agree with lamb being lame when compared to Fontaine my only complaint with bioshock 2 was the ending was anti climatic when i first played back then i was expecting a boss fight similar to bioshock 1 i was disappointed that the “boss fight” was just waves of enemies thrown at you plus by the time you get towards the end your so overpowered with upgrades that the enemies don’t really present a challenge at all
Commenting before watching to say that as a kid I played Bioshock 1 and 2 as they released, and the general consensus at the time was that 2 was a huge letdown somehow story-wise but everyone also praised the improved gunplay and playing as a Big Daddy. I think at the time “Would you kindly?” was still so fresh and groundbreaking that nothing the sequel did would ever have hit as hard. All that said, over the years I’ve always gone back for a yearly playthrough of both and I’ve always been a big fan of the story, I personally believe it rises nearly to the level of the original. I think both games suffer from lackluster endings, a trend that would continue with infinite (in regards to Burial at Sea imo taking things a step too far in retconning aspects of the canon).
This makes me glad I played all of them on console. Bugs that were there were minor and would go away after like 30 minutes and it never crashed a single time.
I have a very specific memory of walking up a staircase in bioshock 2 and a splicer just yesterday an oil barrel down it, lighting me ablaze and killing me instantly. I screamed "holy Morgan freeman fuck, eat a trillion dicks" as I turned my ps3 off. I then went downstairs to my mom who had never heard me video game rage because it's not something I do often and she just asked if I was ok lol. Then I tried to explain what happened and realized how silly I sounded, then dug back in because I was renting from blockbuster over the weekend and the game ain't gonna finish itself
I like the narrative and level design of the first game but the gameplay and hacking in the 2nd game is significantly better. I played System Shock 2 last year as somebody who was born in 98 so I have no prior nostalgia tied to it and I liked it quite a lot despite some of its jank due to age. I think Bioshock and System Shock 2 are pretty even, its kind of gameplay and QOL improvements versus deeper RPG elements and a more sci-fi aesthetic with in my opinion the most bad-ass antagonists in videogames in Shodan.
I like 1 & 2 equally, I replay them back to back when I get that Bioshock itch. I always thought 2 got way too much shit even as a diehard Bioshock 1 fan. And Minerva's Den is like top 3 DLCs ever made
I once played through the entirety of Bioshock 2 using only the drill (outside of using the lightning plazmid for doors), and man it was a WILD ride! Launching myself at every enemy was so fun, especially in the final battle while you destroy the water tanks and have 30+ enemies after you. It felt like the church scene from Kingsmen 😁
I've only played each game once but will say that Bioshock 2 is definitely more fun to play and gets the edge for gameplay over the first game. Story, tho is quite hard for me as i really did enjoy both and think I need another playthrough to decide properly
After playing all 3 back to back I'd have to say 2 is my favorite but I think that again came down to its feel being better then the first and the fact it was still at rapture. All in all great games tho
Yo, that clip of the speargun triggered a memory of a game I played when I was younger where you used a weapon that shot wooden stakes, now I absolutely have to find out what game it was and play it again. EDIT: I managed to find it, it was Painkiller.
I'm one of those people who didn't play Bioshock games until like ten years after release. Went in totally blind and found myself liking Bioshock 2 the best. Then I played System Shock enhanced edition a year or two later. System Shock seemed like it had deeper mechanics with all the patches and ammo types oh and the variety in minigames. Bioshock just had those annoying "flow" puzzles
You know I really loved using Cyclone Trap especially once it hit level 3 since you could begin to send splicers flying around the place in a rube goldberg like series of traps
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Minerva’s Den is one of the best DLC contents ever made imo, so I’m looking forward to that. Though I’m more interested in seeing you cover Infinite. Holy crap, if you thought people had strong opinions on the first two games, you haven’t seen anything yet. Personally, I find it to be a game that, opposite to Bioshock 2, gets worse with age.
It's fun seeing how different people use plasmids, I always stick with incinerate and Anti Personnel rounds for the chain gun for a complete run and gun play style so I take as many out before reloading
I have always considered BioShock 2 to be the best of the series Edit: Been on and preferred Xbox damn near my whole gaming life, just as a disclaimer.
BioShock 1 has a better environment just by the nature of it being the first game. Rapture is fresh to the player. I think it also has better player movement (mainly because you can stack two athlete plasmids and turn the entire game into doom). BioShock 2 on the other hand has far better gameplay. Dual-wield, more interesting plasmid upgrades (fully upgraded telekinesis, my beloved) recording enemies instead of having to spam pictures on every enemy you fight. Better weapon balance as well, electric gel was so busted for big daddy fights in the first game, especially when you were able to double the amount of ammo when crafting
I'm glad you touched on the abysmal port of BioShock 2 remastered. I started it last year and got about 8 hours in and it would literally crash every 2 minutes. I'll check out the fix you mentioned because I was enjoying it. I think the combat is vastly better than the first game but not much else
I think the game had a bit of a renaissance, due in part to the late, great Totalbiscuit. Back in the day, he would constantly praise this game, over the other Bioshock titles. I think this made people come back to the game, knowing what to expect, and really enjoying the experience.
Harvesting angels with the litle sisters is entirely optional, you can just get them to a vent and save them. The game doesn't tell you this, but it's something that i tried myself, and it worked. I was playing on a playstation 3
I'd say Bioshock 1 and 2 are like two sides of the same coin. They take place in the same location with similar gameplay but focus on ideologically and atmospherically opposite sides. 1 was all about the city of Rapture as this great and terrible place that sucks you in, while 2 has you take part as a familiar part of Rapture's world, instead focusing on the people and tragedy the city left them in. While 2 doesn't make the same impact as 1, it was never trying to, instead wanting to refine and expand on what was already there. The games complement each other, helping the world of Rapture be more complete than if only one game existed alone.
While I loved the first one, the second was more fun to play. The combos of plasmids with weapons are neat. Apart the main game, the multiplayer is very fun.
Bioshock 2 is my least favorite of the three but its still pretty great. I have beat it around 3 or 4 times. I just got tired of defending little sisters. It also felt like the exploration wasn't as good. It didn't feel like they tried hiding Tonics and stuff as well. I enjoyed looking for them in the first game.
One thing the Remaster did was fix the physics being locked to 30 in BS2. There's no unlocker for the original BS2 like there is for BS1 whereas the remaster has a higher fps cap on physics. Not worth sound and lighting tradeoff but still worth mentioning.
Question -- What is the best way to play Bioshock 1 and 2 on PC here in 2024? I've got the itch to return to Rapture, especially to reexperience these gems on the Steam Deck, but after watching videos comparing the OGs to the remastered versions, it looks like the OGs look better in almost every way except a few. I only see the remastered versions for sale on Steam, but is there a way to play the OGs on PC, or are we just stuck with the inferior remastered versions?
Might be late for response, but if you buy bishock remastered, you will also get the original game. Same applies for bioshock 2. The bioshock collection also includes both the original and remastered version.
3:08 this made me subscribe to your channel. You have the balls. Also Bioshock 2 is the best one out of the trilogy for me. Also the thing that 2 definitely needs is NG+!!
i can't remember each game distinctly but i do have this to say oh my god, drill specialist my beloved the drill lunge is just so fun and launching bozos is amazing
9:22 I don't agree with a lot of Jarek's personal beliefs and political stances but this is one I truly agree with as someone who came from a toxic family and have to run away from them at one point of my life
Man I'll never forget my cousin showing me those first couple Bioshock trailers back in like 2005/2006. I was immediately sold. Picked it up and completely fell in love with the world, story and atmosphere. Then the 2nd one came out and for some reason, it just didn't hit as hard for me. I'll have to go back and give it another try now tho since it's been years. I just wish there was a better/easier way to play the OG versions. The "remastered" versions somehow look worse lol
still disappointed with the mess that ended up being Bioshock 2 compared to 1 but im glad you enjoyed it for what it is. I will say Minerva Den was good though, Bioshock 2 story was just too garbage for me to fully enjoy the improvements they were able to make from the first
Bioshock 1 maybe had better story but i absolutely loved Bioshock 2's ending, especially the good and sad endings, they actually made me emotional, which very few games ever succeeded.
People already hating on “Judas”based off a trailer.. Too many kids grew up to be media snobs that never tried game design personally. Wish there was more respect for hard work.
I didn't vote in the Bioshock vs System Shock 2 poll because I haven't played System Shock 2. If I had a computer I would totally play though. I like Prey 2017 and Dishonored. I don't know that those two games come close to System Shock 2 but I would at least try it.
infinite is especially disappointing if you followed development for years, all the interesting concepts and possibilities they showed off, most of it was cut. there's no key choice moments besides the ball throw and the bird/cage, two other choices they showed off were cut. tears were cut down to the point where they're just slightly different environmental combat options. they had plans for multiversal traversal through tears and other stuff, all cut. they cut so much stuff just to finish the game, it'd be less painful if they hadn't used so much of the cut content in marketing.
Bioshock 2 is my favorite in the series. It improved a lot of things and the story was more straightforward. People were just expecting a plot twist like the first game.
Bioshock 1 and 2 are like Star Wars and Star Trek but flipped. On the surface they seem to be similar in story, if you only focus on the city that is, but at the end of the day one is more about the mind while one is more about the heart. Ironically with TV and movies it seems people care more about the emotions they invoke while in games it is more about the mind.
Its a mixed bag. 2 did some things welll but I think the story in the original outshines the second. I literally ran through both within a 24 period yesterday, and the second one really was a lot of white noise when i was going through it. I didnt realize how much Lamb tried to be another Ryan and she just never hit those highs. Gameplay is definetly more polished in 2, though. So, while the story is weaker. I like the additions to the core gameplay loop.
love both 1 and 2. 1 will always have my heart due to just nostalgia and such, but 2 is also a great game, tho i also never had issues with crashing and such, most commonly said flaws never really noticably affected me, so i might be a little biased lol
I legit thought Bioshock 2 was better than 1 when it came out and still feel that way. I'd actually argue the story is better too. The story has no big twist but it's more emotionally resonant.
I still own and play the GWFL version of Bioshock 2. Plays well, but it is a pain in the ass to get running on a modern system. Bioshock 2 is my favorite of the series, and yeah, I even enjoyed the multiplayer. It wasn't necessary but it was quite unique and fun.
I just played the trilogy for the first time over the past few weeks and I've got to say without being influenced by nostalgia or anything, that Bioshock 2 was the best of the bunch.
I loved system shock 2 but Ive definitely played bioshock 2 more. I have to be a in a specific mood to play SS2 where as I can hop into bioshock 2 whenever.
I love Bioshock in general, I lean towards 2 a little bit more but I also replay the first game a lot. However I haven't played System Shock at all, and I really want to get into the roots of the series. And thumbs up for the "STFU" to those comments, they suck a$$. 😂
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What I really like about Bioshock 2 (aside from improved gameplay mechanics) is that the ending isn't solely based on the player's trreatment of the Little Sisters like it was in the first game. You're playing as someone (or something) created specifically to PROTECT the Little Sisters, so unless you want to get the worst possible ending, it doesn't make sense to kill those little girls just to get more ADAM.
Also, it's pretty ironic that despite her ideology, Sofia Lamb basically turned Rapture into a hive and made herself the queen bee.
"Also, it's pretty ironic that despite her ideology, Sofia Lamb basically turned Rapture into a hive and made herself the queen bee."
It just like animal farm “All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.”
That's the spirit of bioshock 1 as well according to Ken Levine, no utopia works when people are so flawed and carry baggage with us by default. Ryan basically turned big gov when thing went out of his hand.
Everyone owns the car, but I get to drive it.
those sisters were alwasy shit game design. killed every one i could.
The original saying
“Blood is thicker than water” is actually
“The blood of the covenant is thicker than water of the womb.”
Meaning the family you choose is more important than the family you are born into.
A big retcon that comes from Burial is that they made it that Big Daddies were always around, even the more advanced Bouncer type. Apparently they were just repurposed to be protectors. The first two games and especially two make it clear that Little Sisters came first while Big Daddies were made to protect them afterwards. So many videos seem to get this wrong because they buy the horribly retconned Burial lore so I'm glad that you got it right here.
I’m just glad you can chalk that up to being the multiple timelines and that the Rapture you’re at in the first two games is a different timeline with no Elizabeth. At least that’s what I like to think.
@redraptorwrites6778 I always assumed they were originally not called Big Daddies. but did exist in that form, to do the deep sea construction and maintenance. I thought they only really started to be called Big Daddies around the same time the Little Sisters were created. But yea i agree Infinite and especially Burial At Sea are horrible, and introduced some terrible plot holes and bad retcons.
To me it is. I LOVED Bioshock, but 2 REALLY made me feel a lot. It was badass running around with the Big Daddy arsenal, but also the story. GOD, I really felt like a father on the way to save my daughter and it genuinely made me cry at the end.
The ending is amazing honestly, one of the best game endings i ever saw.
Have you dried your tears yet little buddy?
It's ok im here for you
@@GORILLA_PIMP don't ingest so much chode, you become what you eat
Same my friend, same
I hated 2 at launch, but after replaying it recently, it's my favorite.
Dual weilding and streamlined hacking is great. Minervas Den had the best story, imo.
Bioshock 2 is better in my opinion. First game was revolutionary when it came out though, that's for sure.
2 has a better protagonist, better antagonist , better hacking, better camera, more challenging enemies, more combat variety, better weapons, etc…
Totally true!
As a lore with stories! I helluva love this game
First still good and fine, but second one
Oof
the first game was literally just a rehash of systemshock 2 in the unreal 3 engine.
No it wasn't
Bioshock 2 was a fine sequel, first bioshock is amazing and that is all.
I feel like this debate can be boiled down to one sentence, "Bioshock 2 is a great game that has the misfortune of being the sequel to one of the best games to come out of the golden age of video games".
i’ve rarely been as enveloped in a game as much as i have with bioshock 2, this game was such a fixation when i first played it and it only feels like it’s gotten better over the years
I loved bioshock 2 at launch and still do to this day. Comparing is hard, its like comparing alien and aliens. Two different vibes and tones. However the improved camera and hacking made b2 a lot more fun
For me it's:
1. Bioshock
2. Bioshock 2: Minerva's Den
3. Bioshock 2
4. Bioshock Infinite: Burial At Sea 1-2
5. Bioshock Infinite
I also remember that when B2 was released it received a lukewarm reception, which is sad 'cause gameplay-wise it's more fun than B1, but B1 had better story and overall it's more memorable. Love both of those games + Minerva DLC, but Infinite... well Infinite... I wish it didn't exist. It's not a bad game, love the story and the visuals, but the dumbed down COD style gameplay is not for me. Hated the weapon limit (reminded me of Duke Nukem Forever and that's not good) and how the game dragged on for too long. Overall, Bioshock is a fantastic series, Infinite is the only disappointment for me cause the more I play all of these games the more I love 1-2-Minerva, but Infinite... it's the other way around... it gets worse... still a good game, but not as good as the previous ones, that's for sure. Now would you kindly go and play System Shock Remake? It's a little bit clunky, but fun :)
I definitely remember Infinite dragging at some points too. Even when I replayed it semi recently, I found myself trying to sprint to the finish cause I was just ready to be done with it. I still liked it overall, but it didn't have the same magic that B1 and 2, B1 most of all, for me personally
@@CargoShorts7 Well said :)
I think one reason that Bioshock 2 got so much hate on launch was because they included online multiplayer. I can't say if it was good or not I never played it. However there were a lot of fans that didn't want it in Bioshock so that might explain some of the negativity.
the multiplayer in that game was actually pretty decent, probably the one of best MP of the "tacked on MP" era of games in the late 00s early 10s
@@docmitchell4658 Huh....kinda wish I had given it a shot then. Ah well at least we still have the campaign.
@@docmitchell4658 Agreed. I remember thinking it was gonna be bad when B2 came out, but I was really surprised by it. It was actually pretty fun for what it offered, especially if you were a big fan of the Bioshock universe and just wanted more of it
we all have our opinions and some just need to let it go. glad you talked about the games and the divide it has. can't wait to hear your thoughts on Infinite.
Oh boy I swear I have more to say about the reception of infinite than I do the game itself
Will be one great video@@Jarekthegamingdragon
@@Jarekthegamingdragon As someone who didn't really like Bioshock 1 or 2 but loved Infinite, I really am curious to hear your thoughts.
I played all 3 games back to back. And yes, Bioshock 2 was the best.
I was always a bioshock2 man. The first game never hit me as hard as others the "twists' fell flat on my first playthrough and the gameplay wasn't standout.
so about killing gilbert being considered morally bad, i believe its because if you kill him its as if youre only seeing a monster that needs to be killed (or "put out of his misery", as you said), but by sparing him you look past the dramatic " alex the great" and recognize him as a person.
ignoring whatever actions he might have done, the thing is that alex, like delta or any big daddy, is pretty much a different being from his pre-mutation self, so the moral dilemma is if you can see him, and by extension any big daddy/little girl, as a person or as a monster
The video camera is a genius mechanic that gives players an incentive to experiment how to kill different enemies.
If you kill then with different weapons, ammo and plasmids, you earn more xp to unlock perks against them while at the same time learning their weaknesses.
There are much better ways to incentivize experimentation, as games like doom eternal figured out.
@@Jarekthegamingdragon What? No, Eternal was definitely not encouraging that with its combat system. Why should I experiment when I can just use a grenade to practically one-shot a caco or use the shotgun grenade launcher/assault rifle focus shot to auto-cripple an arachnotron? It was designed to be played a certain way and the devs even said that. That's not experimentation, that's rock paper scissors.
It is the best on the series for me, personally. Bioshock 1 might be an all time classic, but the second one is just plain fun, while maintaining a good story.
I remember the Multiplayer for this being awesome! It was always fun watching people make montage videos on this game. I was shocked hearing that the game got a bit of hate.
I recently went back and played this and remembered why it was my favorite of the trilogy. People used to say that Bioshock 2 was the worst of the trilogy, but I guess they have changed their minds since then. For me, I feel like the gameplay is a big step up from the original, and I like the level design a little more too. Plus there's the Minerva's Den DLC which is pretty good too. From what I remember as a kid, I think it played Bioshock 2 way more than the others, although I still have a few playthroughs on the other 2 as well.
I played both back to back. And bioshock 2 falls in that category of sequels where the developers know that the fear of unknown is gone. So they aim for a more action focused game. Which to me is actually a really good approach. It always feels natural when games do that. Bioshock 2 is a more polished and action focused experience. They fixed nearly everything I felt was annoying or unnecessary about the first game. Mainly being the hacking mini games. But I’d be lying if I said I remember that game more than I did the first game. The first game just has soo many good moments. All which will be stuck with me for a very long time. But I barely remember anything about bioshock 2. The narrative isn’t bad in bioshock 2. But the first games narrative is soo good, it would be impossible to make one better. So gameplay wise yeah maybe bioshock 2 is better. But bioshock 1 is soo much more memorable
Never got why the story in 2 is considered worse than that of 1, but I'd guess getting the tweeeest spoiled plus the overwhelming praise made me approach it with expectations that didn't help. Might be unfair to see it as just an interactive Shyamaladingdong movie, but that's all it is to me - besides an introduction to an inspired setting.
2 on the other hand - no spoilers, no expectations and it just worked. Curious if that's a common experience among those of us who think 2 isn't just better as a game but also a better told story. After the first playthrough Ellies scream in the intro gets me every time on replays.
Kinda wish the tactical options had gotten at least some spotlight in this review. Whether it's a fight against other Daddies, Big Sisters or the harvesting minigame, you have a chance to prepare an arena before the chaos starts. Makes a bigger difference than the more immediate gameplay changes like dual wielding plasmid plus weapon in my opinion.
Lamb was pretty lame compared to Fontaine and Ryan as far as the story/protagonist. Having the story ruined before playing 1 took a lot of the thunder out for sure which influenced you while playing.
Minerva's Den basically saves Bioshock 2 from just being Bioshock 1 with better gameplay and a meh story imo. Without that DLC Bioshock 2 isn't much better than Infinite.
@@Jrock420blami agree with lamb being lame when compared to Fontaine my only complaint with bioshock 2 was the ending was anti climatic when i first played back then i was expecting a boss fight similar to bioshock 1 i was disappointed that the “boss fight” was just waves of enemies thrown at you plus by the time you get towards the end your so overpowered with upgrades that the enemies don’t really present a challenge at all
Calling Bioshock 1 "casual trash" is the most blatant way of saying "i play multiplayer games only and dont care about story at all"
Commenting before watching to say that as a kid I played Bioshock 1 and 2 as they released, and the general consensus at the time was that 2 was a huge letdown somehow story-wise but everyone also praised the improved gunplay and playing as a Big Daddy. I think at the time “Would you kindly?” was still so fresh and groundbreaking that nothing the sequel did would ever have hit as hard. All that said, over the years I’ve always gone back for a yearly playthrough of both and I’ve always been a big fan of the story, I personally believe it rises nearly to the level of the original. I think both games suffer from lackluster endings, a trend that would continue with infinite (in regards to Burial at Sea imo taking things a step too far in retconning aspects of the canon).
Something about Jarek swearing, is so ... therapeutically calming
This makes me glad I played all of them on console. Bugs that were there were minor and would go away after like 30 minutes and it never crashed a single time.
I have a very specific memory of walking up a staircase in bioshock 2 and a splicer just yesterday an oil barrel down it, lighting me ablaze and killing me instantly. I screamed "holy Morgan freeman fuck, eat a trillion dicks" as I turned my ps3 off. I then went downstairs to my mom who had never heard me video game rage because it's not something I do often and she just asked if I was ok lol. Then I tried to explain what happened and realized how silly I sounded, then dug back in because I was renting from blockbuster over the weekend and the game ain't gonna finish itself
I like the narrative and level design of the first game but the gameplay and hacking in the 2nd game is significantly better. I played System Shock 2 last year as somebody who was born in 98 so I have no prior nostalgia tied to it and I liked it quite a lot despite some of its jank due to age. I think Bioshock and System Shock 2 are pretty even, its kind of gameplay and QOL improvements versus deeper RPG elements and a more sci-fi aesthetic with in my opinion the most bad-ass antagonists in videogames in Shodan.
System Shock 2 Is quite smooth to play and Immersive with mods. Gameplay Is quite funn. There Is really a joy to explore every deck In the game.
I like 1 & 2 equally, I replay them back to back when I get that Bioshock itch. I always thought 2 got way too much shit even as a diehard Bioshock 1 fan. And Minerva's Den is like top 3 DLCs ever made
The intro in Bioshock 2 is immaculate 👏
I once played through the entirety of Bioshock 2 using only the drill (outside of using the lightning plazmid for doors), and man it was a WILD ride! Launching myself at every enemy was so fun, especially in the final battle while you destroy the water tanks and have 30+ enemies after you. It felt like the church scene from Kingsmen 😁
I've only played each game once but will say that Bioshock 2 is definitely more fun to play and gets the edge for gameplay over the first game. Story, tho is quite hard for me as i really did enjoy both and think I need another playthrough to decide properly
After playing all 3 back to back I'd have to say 2 is my favorite but I think that again came down to its feel being better then the first and the fact it was still at rapture. All in all great games tho
Yo, that clip of the speargun triggered a memory of a game I played when I was younger where you used a weapon that shot wooden stakes, now I absolutely have to find out what game it was and play it again.
EDIT: I managed to find it, it was Painkiller.
I played B2 first years ago and loved it. I played B1 only recently - they’re both fantastic. B1 is amazing - i see why it got such praise
I'm one of those people who didn't play Bioshock games until like ten years after release. Went in totally blind and found myself liking Bioshock 2 the best. Then I played System Shock enhanced edition a year or two later. System Shock seemed like it had deeper mechanics with all the patches and ammo types oh and the variety in minigames. Bioshock just had those annoying "flow" puzzles
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I always bind the camera to a easy to reach key like G so I can push it real quick to equip me, click to activate, then go to a weapon and resume.
You know I really loved using Cyclone Trap especially once it hit level 3 since you could begin to send splicers flying around the place in a rube goldberg like series of traps
This dudes channel needs to blow up more. He makes awesome content. I wish I could support you on patroon but I lost my job recently bro. Keep up the good work
Minerva’s Den is one of the best DLC contents ever made imo, so I’m looking forward to that.
Though I’m more interested in seeing you cover Infinite. Holy crap, if you thought people had strong opinions on the first two games, you haven’t seen anything yet.
Personally, I find it to be a game that, opposite to Bioshock 2, gets worse with age.
It's fun seeing how different people use plasmids, I always stick with incinerate and Anti Personnel rounds for the chain gun for a complete run and gun play style so I take as many out before reloading
I remember finding this man's FA a few months back. Glad the VR is still going strong :D
Heard what you said about Bioshock being streamlined down from Systemshock and I had a thought: "Is Bioshock the Skyrim to Systemshock's Morrowind?"
I have always considered BioShock 2 to be the best of the series
Edit: Been on and preferred Xbox damn near my whole gaming life, just as a disclaimer.
BioShock 1 has a better environment just by the nature of it being the first game. Rapture is fresh to the player. I think it also has better player movement (mainly because you can stack two athlete plasmids and turn the entire game into doom).
BioShock 2 on the other hand has far better gameplay. Dual-wield, more interesting plasmid upgrades (fully upgraded telekinesis, my beloved) recording enemies instead of having to spam pictures on every enemy you fight. Better weapon balance as well, electric gel was so busted for big daddy fights in the first game, especially when you were able to double the amount of ammo when crafting
I'm glad you touched on the abysmal port of BioShock 2 remastered. I started it last year and got about 8 hours in and it would literally crash every 2 minutes. I'll check out the fix you mentioned because I was enjoying it. I think the combat is vastly better than the first game but not much else
10:31 "Big Daddy origins" segment 😂 That secured your like, sir.
Is NO ONE going to point out the FACT that Bioshock 2 has the GREATEST loading screen in video game HISTORY?! It’s not even debatable…
I love both but I felt at the time hands down that bioshock 2 is better than bioshock 1 . It suprises me that alot of people didnt feel the same !
I think the game had a bit of a renaissance, due in part to the late, great Totalbiscuit. Back in the day, he would constantly praise this game, over the other Bioshock titles. I think this made people come back to the game, knowing what to expect, and really enjoying the experience.
Harvesting angels with the litle sisters is entirely optional, you can just get them to a vent and save them. The game doesn't tell you this, but it's something that i tried myself, and it worked. I was playing on a playstation 3
You can, but you get a lot less adam
I largely prefer 2 over 1 but I always felt like it was a graphical downgrade. The blood for example doesn't really look like blood.
I'd say Bioshock 1 and 2 are like two sides of the same coin. They take place in the same location with similar gameplay but focus on ideologically and atmospherically opposite sides. 1 was all about the city of Rapture as this great and terrible place that sucks you in, while 2 has you take part as a familiar part of Rapture's world, instead focusing on the people and tragedy the city left them in. While 2 doesn't make the same impact as 1, it was never trying to, instead wanting to refine and expand on what was already there. The games complement each other, helping the world of Rapture be more complete than if only one game existed alone.
While I loved the first one, the second was more fun to play. The combos of plasmids with weapons are neat. Apart the main game, the multiplayer is very fun.
I don't think BioShock 2 is better than BioShock 1, but I do think they're both solid 10/10 in their own unique ways
Bioshock 2 is my least favorite of the three but its still pretty great. I have beat it around 3 or 4 times. I just got tired of defending little sisters. It also felt like the exploration wasn't as good. It didn't feel like they tried hiding Tonics and stuff as well. I enjoyed looking for them in the first game.
BS1 for story, BS2 for combat
One thing the Remaster did was fix the physics being locked to 30 in BS2. There's no unlocker for the original BS2 like there is for BS1 whereas the remaster has a higher fps cap on physics. Not worth sound and lighting tradeoff but still worth mentioning.
putting -dx10 or something like that in the launch options stops the crashing as well
Tried that, didn't stop the crashing. The memory limit fix is required.
Question -- What is the best way to play Bioshock 1 and 2 on PC here in 2024? I've got the itch to return to Rapture, especially to reexperience these gems on the Steam Deck, but after watching videos comparing the OGs to the remastered versions, it looks like the OGs look better in almost every way except a few. I only see the remastered versions for sale on Steam, but is there a way to play the OGs on PC, or are we just stuck with the inferior remastered versions?
Might be late for response, but if you buy bishock remastered, you will also get the original game. Same applies for bioshock 2. The bioshock collection also includes both the original and remastered version.
Minerva's Den is the best piece of bioshock content.
Agreed.
3:08 this made me subscribe to your channel. You have the balls. Also Bioshock 2 is the best one out of the trilogy for me. Also the thing that 2 definitely needs is NG+!!
i can't remember each game distinctly but i do have this to say
oh my god, drill specialist my beloved
the drill lunge is just so fun and launching bozos is amazing
9:19 Dude not even joking, this is the deepest shit I have ever heard you said.
Jarek you should play star trek voyager elite force. its heavily inspired by half life
Caught me off guard finding "Flashpoint' soundtrack from the game Legendary being used here. A flawed favorite of mine.
9:22 I don't agree with a lot of Jarek's personal beliefs and political stances but this is one I truly agree with as someone who came from a toxic family and have to run away from them at one point of my life
Infinite is best… fight me
The infinite DLC were peak
Man I'll never forget my cousin showing me those first couple Bioshock trailers back in like 2005/2006. I was immediately sold. Picked it up and completely fell in love with the world, story and atmosphere. Then the 2nd one came out and for some reason, it just didn't hit as hard for me. I'll have to go back and give it another try now tho since it's been years. I just wish there was a better/easier way to play the OG versions. The "remastered" versions somehow look worse lol
Edit: the multiplayer was super underrated tho. I remember it being a ton of fun to play online while it lasted
still disappointed with the mess that ended up being Bioshock 2 compared to 1 but im glad you enjoyed it for what it is. I will say Minerva Den was good though, Bioshock 2 story was just too garbage for me to fully enjoy the improvements they were able to make from the first
I love Politics in Video Games
Nowadays some people consider having to play a woman character or a black character is "political."
@@Gatorade69 heaven forbid you get to select your gender or race in an RPG today, all hell breaks loose on social media
Unironically though yes
Bioshock 1 maybe had better story but i absolutely loved Bioshock 2's ending, especially the good and sad endings, they actually made me emotional, which very few games ever succeeded.
People already hating on “Judas”based off a trailer.. Too many kids grew up to be media snobs that never tried game design personally. Wish there was more respect for hard work.
Please explain the dragon lore. Why is he underwater?
Because rapture is under water
I didn't vote in the Bioshock vs System Shock 2 poll because I haven't played System Shock 2. If I had a computer I would totally play though. I like Prey 2017 and Dishonored. I don't know that those two games come close to System Shock 2 but I would at least try it.
ive tried getting into bioshock so many times, because i like the story and the look, but i just never could find the fun in it
Bioshock 2 is the best Bioshock like Warrior Within is the best Prince of Persia
Simple answer:
Yes!
Complex answer:
Yes! Better combat, powers and gameplay mechanics, and much better ending. Plus, we had MP, which was legendary!
I still have yet to play BioShock 2. Only reason why I did not play it when it came out was that they added a multiplayer component to the game.
They're still both better than Infinite imo. Infinite really was meh but surprised its received like its the best game ever made
infinite is especially disappointing if you followed development for years, all the interesting concepts and possibilities they showed off, most of it was cut. there's no key choice moments besides the ball throw and the bird/cage, two other choices they showed off were cut. tears were cut down to the point where they're just slightly different environmental combat options. they had plans for multiversal traversal through tears and other stuff, all cut. they cut so much stuff just to finish the game, it'd be less painful if they hadn't used so much of the cut content in marketing.
its not "bad" but its lacking all the charme Bioshock is supposed to have@@Grandmastergav86
I love bioshock 2, so much time without watching the channel and when i see you are reviewing bioshock, good day to be back i guess xD
Bioshock 2 is my favorite in the series. It improved a lot of things and the story was more straightforward. People were just expecting a plot twist like the first game.
Yes.
Bioshock 1 and 2 are like Star Wars and Star Trek but flipped. On the surface they seem to be similar in story, if you only focus on the city that is, but at the end of the day one is more about the mind while one is more about the heart. Ironically with TV and movies it seems people care more about the emotions they invoke while in games it is more about the mind.
never heard of bioshock being called an immersive sim before tbh
Jarek is getting a bit overpowered… Growing, Shrinking, Breathing Fire, Laysorbean and now he can breath under water. What comes next? Flying??? 😏
Its a mixed bag. 2 did some things welll but I think the story in the original outshines the second. I literally ran through both within a 24 period yesterday, and the second one really was a lot of white noise when i was going through it. I didnt realize how much Lamb tried to be another Ryan and she just never hit those highs. Gameplay is definetly more polished in 2, though. So, while the story is weaker. I like the additions to the core gameplay loop.
love both 1 and 2. 1 will always have my heart due to just nostalgia and such, but 2 is also a great game, tho i also never had issues with crashing and such, most commonly said flaws never really noticably affected me, so i might be a little biased lol
I legit thought Bioshock 2 was better than 1 when it came out and still feel that way. I'd actually argue the story is better too. The story has no big twist but it's more emotionally resonant.
Jarek coming out spitting in the opening.
I still own and play the GWFL version of Bioshock 2. Plays well, but it is a pain in the ass to get running on a modern system.
Bioshock 2 is my favorite of the series, and yeah, I even enjoyed the multiplayer. It wasn't necessary but it was quite unique and fun.
I just played the trilogy for the first time over the past few weeks and I've got to say without being influenced by nostalgia or anything, that Bioshock 2 was the best of the bunch.
I miss the multiplayer so so much. I think about it often.
Bioshock 2 is just Bioshock 1 with more features and polished mechanics, but no surprise factor. Makes it kinda hard to say which one is better.
Are your Bioshock playthroughs avaliable here or somewhere else??
I have a vod channel. JarekTheGamingDragon vods
@@Jarekthegamingdragon Oh... Thanks...
I loved system shock 2 but Ive definitely played bioshock 2 more. I have to be a in a specific mood to play SS2 where as I can hop into bioshock 2 whenever.
Bioshock 2 had better gameplay Bioshock 1 had better story.
Bioshock 2 is my favorite
The DLC for this game is amazing.
I love Bioshock in general, I lean towards 2 a little bit more but I also replay the first game a lot. However I haven't played System Shock at all, and I really want to get into the roots of the series. And thumbs up for the "STFU" to those comments, they suck a$$. 😂