I am the old woman player who started recently, about 6 months ago, and I recently started playing on survival from peaceful to normal, I am not fast but its ok I love playing and I Only play on bedrock , once I tried it , I think the graphics are somewhat better and I am left handed , the crafting keeps me using my mind and that is a good thing, you have taught me so much , like build myself up for raids and such to shoot a bow to give me enough time to kill, I just love your video's and look for them every day, thank you ibxtoycat !
Hello old woman! Glad you enjoy the game ! The world is your oyster is what I always say. You know, back in my day Java and bedrock were 2 different payments. Gotta love corporate takeover. Onwards and upwards !
Toycat is the most notable bedrock player who actually covers issues with the game and it would suck to lose his voice as apart of the bedrock community
If youtube was split 50/50 between java nad bedrock creators toycat would not be nearly as popular. I myself do not like his style of videos but he still is my go-to source of information on bedrock.
@@Nakaska I would somewhat agree. He definitely has his own style but the main reason I watch him is because he’s usually the first on bedrock specific news.
Does he at least mention the loading issues for bedrock on consoles (Nintendo Switch being the worst often taking 2-5 minutes to fully load in Minecraft and Microsoft along with skins and marketplace). Also the timing issues with redstone which causes the inability for creation of flying machines in bedrock (100% fixable by the way where RUclipsrs claimed this isn't fixable and had no clue what they were saying). Corrupt world files in bedrock edition from the Microsoft Minecraft store/ marketplace. Most issues with bedrock are the fact mojang is now a stock owned company by Microsoft. Same goes for the performance in java, however the bedrock has also had extremely high performance drops in consoles and PC though less noticeable on PC. (Just had this comment come back in my notifications. Wanted to say some good news, in the bug reports Mojang has finally acknowledged that Redstone is completely wrong in the bedrock and they are going to fix it at an unscheduled update.... And it took how many reports for this acknowledgement... After all legacy console and bedrock are programmed in C++ and legacy console versions of Minecraft had proper redstone.)
I started playing Minecraft on pocket edition in 2013 and I've seen it grow and become bedrock edition. Now, I play mainly on bedrock edition simply because it's where I have my long term world and because I'm more used to it then java edition.
I started playing MCPE in like 2014 and Java in 2015 but had terrible laptop so I played MCPE until 2019 when I still had a bad desktop now then played both 👍🏼
Some of the issues with performance mods are copyright reasons. There was a deal with Optifine a few years ago that fell through because Mojang only wanted the performance aspects. But yeah, a large part of the divide between Java and Bedrock is preferences and familiarity rather than quality. As I've gained a taste for redstone I've essentially anchored myself to the version I learned it in; not because it's better but because it takes a huge commitment to understand the system.
I mean, that doesn't mean Mojang can't make those changes. It just means they'd have to actually do the work and code it themselves, and can't copy existing code from mods.
a reason bedrock has better performance is its written i C++ Programming Language And Compiled Into Executables But Java Edition of Minecraft from it name its written in java programming language which runs in Java Operating System Or JVM (Java Virtual Machine) Mostly JVM Then Compiled To Bytecode Which is why it makes it slow plus JVM is virtual machine running a operating system and also took time to boot while java executables are running it makes minecraft really slow
if installing performance mod can bring the fps much higher, then the language itself isn't at fault. stop repeating this BS that because it's Java it's slow. Java and C++ can get close in performance
@@thearmyofiron (Joke:) i still hate OOP, Interpreted Languages or languages that doesnt run standalone even C++ C, Haskell, Lisp And Rust Are Holy Programming Languages To Me
@eh3630Personally I think those are fine since they are really not extremely important, or are close to impossible to get in bulk. While dupers with diamonds of totems would actually be a problem;
@Eh.........nether roof builds aren't glitches. They're. Specifically chosen feature. The build limit on bedrock only goes to the bedrock layer but on Java it goes like 150 blocks higher.
On the note of performance: There's a lot that can be improved in Minecraft's code without hurting gameplay in the slightest, mods are doing what Mojang needs to do, however I won't call them lazy, it's a management issue that's holding them back from doing these things themselves, nothing more, nothing less.
they need to fix the lag in mangrove swamp/jungle ASAP. like it has been literal YEARS and those biomes are still unplayable on java if you want to have a decent render distance (over 7 chunks)
Most of my experience has been on Mobile or Console now bedrock I played Java on a frankly banjaxed notepad when I was 7 to 9 while also playing java on better computers at friends houses. My console is an X Box series X.
@@nafsii04 You must have a very terrible pc if those biomes are unplayable on Java for you. My PC is like 4 years old now and I still get way over 200fps with 24 render distance.
@@evilpaper456 im a person with an average work laptop, i dont have a computer. those biomes are playable on bedrock with 60fps, so the problem is with java.
As someone who originally started playing on Java, I used to not be much into bedrock. Within the last few years, I’ve definitely changed my mind on it and have really enjoyed bedrock the same as, if not more than Java, but I really appreciate both versions.
4:24 a recent mod in Java edition allows you to do exactly same things, i tried it and it worked perfectly (and even adds bedrock features like adding friends, cosmetics, emotes and more) For anyone curious the mod is called Essential PS im not a native speaker so sorry for any errors
@@ahmed-music-prod you need 2 total mods for most important bedrock features (which tbf, are not that important) I don't really understand the benefit from bedrock you get complete modding freedom vs better frames and less setup time
I honestly think the render distance makes a big deal in how great the game looks. Standing in a massive lush cave or just cave or ravine in general and being able to see every block and how vast the world looks really makes it feel more adventurous and increases the curiosity. Even looking over a massive amount of terrain makes you feel so little and that you have to explore every crevasse
Issue is that Bedrock splits render and simulation distance, whereas in Java it's the same thing. In Java all seen chunks are fully loaded. I wish they'd separate it in Java, apparently it's possible to implement, though I doubt Mojang will do it.
@Olivia-W Actually it Is seperated in Java, in 3 actually, with the main render distance, simulation distance and shadow distance (distance where it generates new chunks) Also, for people used to play bedrock edition, java may be laggy, because you would have a better gpu instead of a better cpu, which is good for bedrock, but worse for java. Same goes the other way around tho, java players lag on bedrock because they have a better cpu instead of a better gpu
The shop and coins is the only reason why I'll never play bedrock (well, besides Microsoft never acknowledging my store application to list my RP for free).
For me the shop just feels odd in Minecraft, but yeah you don't have to visit it but it can sometimes feel scummy. (Also Microsoft isn't the main creator for things on the shop, it is small development teams or indie creators) either way I think the shop is good, but I don't know if it fits Minecraft.
Honestly, I like both Bedrock and Java. Sure they both have their fair share of flaws, but at the end of the day, they're both Minecraft. It's useless arguing what version of the game is "better" because everyone has their own preferences on how they wanna play Minecraft. It's good that there are Bedrock RUclipsrs like Toycat because this edition represents the majority of the Minecraft playerbase statistically, and it allows missing gaps to be filled when Java creators don't fill them.
I think Microsoft (who owns minecraft) WANTS us to argue- to try and get more BE players- and BE is not available on Mac or Linux -Microsoft’s main competition
Most of my experience has been on Mobile or Console now bedrock I played Java on a frankly banjaxed notepad when I was 7 to 9 while also playing java on better computers at friends houses. My console is an X Box series X.
@@tjb3171 Trust me, they don't need to get more BE players, it's the primary version of Minecraft now, and it has way WAY more players than Java does. I personally prefer java for the ability to use mods, but Java is no longer the primary version of the game, and that has been the case for a while. There's a reason bedrock's title screen just says MINECRAFT, while java's says MINECRAFT :Java Edition
this is why i think minecraft is looking at parity wrong. it's really awesome that there's all sorts of little differences and reasons that players like their version of minecraft, and if you try to take those away someone's always going to be disappointed. the small differences and weird exclusives are what make each version fun! parity should be about the big things that everyone is complaining about (health regen) and not the unique parts of the game that make it familiar and fun (big salmon, combat)
I think parity is slowing down development and hindering both editions since Java and C++, while related, are very different languages with different capabilities.
@@JasonTaylor-po5xcthey aren’t far enough apart to cause gameplay differences. The only real differences are technical and wouldn’t he noticeable by the end user
@@luiginotcool At a high level, yes. But Redstone works differently. Bridging is different. Bedrock has trident killers. Java has villager scare mechanic for iron farms. You can build on the nether roof in Java. The Wither is much harder in Bedrock. Mojang has made significant moves forward in parity (seed generation although structures are still different). Bedrook has no structures in superflat, no hardcore mode, not biome-only worlds, etc. The point is Mojang is basically coding everything twice and working through different sets of bugs. There are also Bedrock limitations because of mobile device/console support that hold back Java edition and even the PC Bedrock edition.
@@luiginotcool I'm a software engineer for the past 25 years. I am extremely familiar with both C++ and Java. Some of the differences are because of technology platform. For example, graphics rendering is better on Bedrock because of more native access to rendering engines. The main thing holding back Bedrock is simply needing to accommodate mobile devices. In theory, Bedrock should perform much better than Java simply because Java is an interpreted language vs native compiled.
I started playing when Minecraft was in the beta. Then I quit only to pick it back up almost a decade later. Here's why I play Bedrock: it feels more vanilla to me. No TNT dupers, animals aren't persistent but respawn, Villagers are a bit less random, the list goes on. The only things I'm missing is being able to dual wield everything and the insane saturation regen. And maybe named banners on maps, but I can live without that.
Ya, the thing i love in bedrock is animals respawn. But not many good mods there for free. The good mods only available in marketplace and u need to buy it. It hurts my brain.
I started playing Minecraft Console in 2016. A few months later, I had found your channel - a video relating to TU46. I remember your vídeos as they seemed to be (as well as Echo’s) minecraft console’s only informative channels. I was fairly saddened with Better Together in September of 2017. A year later, my minecraft broke. I continued watching your channel but not playing. However, when COVID rolled around, I suddenly remembered about my console saves and loaded the two games up. I finally managed to get to an earlier state in my worlds. This lasted for two years until October. It broke again. Luckily, now I had a computer and played minecraft again. I use a controller as well. Truly however, the only reason i play bedrock is because of *BIG SALMON.*
How did this not get pinned? Or show up higher? I wasn't even aware you had commented on this video, totally deserved a heart. Also a Crafty x Toycat video would be awesome.
The optifine and Sodium mods change the game by allowing the JavaScript to access multi core functionality. Java allows only a single core to process everything. It makes the game a multi core operating environment. It changes KEY aspects to the functionality of the game though. Like removes Volumetric fog and other effects and replaces them with low quality versions or “rendering” ghosts. It basically takes everything that’s far away and loads a psudo version of it that has no actual game data other than visual data. And when you get close it switches it to the “actor” or actual thing that the game calls for.
The first time I came across a spawner it was a skeleton one and I hadn’t done any research on Minecraft and had no idea what to do with it. I remember burying it and attempting to build a basic base on the land above it. I have now watched many RUclips Minecrafters and I’m thankful for you all for sharing your knowledge and creativity with us. I’m still very new to the game and in fact haven’t played for 3 months because I have moved for work and have only now managed to get my PS4 set again now. I’m very interested in exploring the new changes that the updates have made and to go back to trying to create all sorts of farms. I play on my PS4 and occasionally my switch because I can’t afford a computer with enough memory and game play, and also I find playing with a controller more comfortable and more intuitive than using and remembering the keyboard keys.
Each versions has their ups and downs. I play both editions, and both of them are equally fun. I started with the pocket edition all the way back in 2014, sadly my og world is now gone and I don't even remember how it got deleted. I got my main world on java, which I had for 2 years now, but i'm slowly working on my bedrock world on the side which I hope will be my successor to my old pocket edition world.
I can agree with you here. I started playing bedrock (console edition) in 2017 and I instantly fell in love with it. I started playing Java very recently (this month) and am extremely surprised by the graphics and how fast the game runs and everything like that. I can’t pick sides and don’t know why people argue about versions.
By the way if you use the curseforge launcher, most mod packs are pretty much one click installations, and they are all completely free as well. And even if you don't there's options to add mods that quickly let you access the mod folder to add mods in game. There's also mods that do allow for one-click multiplayer every similar to bedrock which even can be installed via the near seemless curseforge, the one I use is called the essentials mod and it's pretty vanilla friendly. My setup is basically just a few performance mods plus the essentials mod for the vanilla gaming experience with Java that I have always wanted. It even somehow runs better than bedrock on my laptop because bedrock apparently doesn't know what to do with the i9-12900h and RTX 3070 ti inside.
@@0grey0 My previous laptop only had a GTX 1650 and a mid-range mobile Ryzen from a few generations ago (can't remember the exact chip, but it wasn't high end) and it could run modded Minecraft just fine at 8-16 chunks in like 1.16, which was the current latest version of the game the last time I played on it. It would have to be some really dated or low end laptop not designed for gaming to have significant issues running java at least 8 chucks (the minimum at which I think is reasonably playable), especially with the correct mods and settings. Yes, bedrock can run better at higher render distances, but the input lag this adds to the game is really noticeable on more recent versions and the engine doesn't utilize high end hardware nearly as well because what I can best describe as engine limitations or poor resource optimizations, it's bad enough that my newest laptop somehow runs the bedrock edition worse than my previous one did. As a matter of fact, my laptop even before that one which had an i3 and uhd 620 integrated graphics, ran bedrock almost as good as my second one did despite having a HDD and only 8Gbs of cheap single channel memory. I know bedrock has it's place, however java edition is the best my opinion in terms of mods, and it has much more options in terms of tweaking to get the most out of your experience.
I don’t hate bedrock or anything but just wanted to address these points One click mods: use prism launcher Easy adding people to the game: use essential mod, easily installed with prism launcher Performance: fabulously optimized modpack, easily installed with prism launcher Controller support: midnight controls, easily installed with prism launcher Switching around PC’s and reinstalling mods: create a modpack for prism launcher to easily transfer them TL;DR: don’t use the bare bones official launcher
I started playing on Java many moons ago and then with mods to make it more stable, due to mine carts lagging so much on my home run server. It was fun, but having to update the mods so often, it got stale. I've recently started playing Xbox Bedrock and am having a lot of fun with it, my only gripe is that I can't seem to bring my custom Java skin with me, which sucks. I prefer my own skin creation as it's more personal than picking from a list of parts.
I want to play bedrock as it has cross platform play, but man I cannot give up all the features java has. Building on nether roof, the useful F3 menu, being able to put whatever in your offhand like torches or food, able to see chunks and hitboxes, and of course, the infamous banner shield, etc. I just wish bedrock had all these so I can switch.
@@Κ3Ν there was an added command on bedrock that allows you put more in your off hand, also a controller is about the same as a mouse, it will work on controller the same way as on mouse
@@ZetQo Pre 1.9 PvP is superior on Java anyways, not sure why you would prefer new combat PvP 🗿 Although new combat is great for PvE 👍🏼 Also yeah healing on Bedrock sucks
Ok, here's my take: I play Java. I love Java over Bedrock. There are really cool things you can do in Java you can't do in Bedrock. BUT... the opposite is true. Coming from a Java player who has also personally played Bedrock, I think Bedrock is weird. I've been playing Java since 2014, and that's what I know and love. for me personally, Bedrock looks weird. idk if it's just the lighting or whatnot. I can see why people like Bedrock. Bedrock is better for lower-end pcs while Java is better for videography and RUclips/streaming. There are pros and cons to both. Honestly, idk why Microsoft just chooses to make these games so different in the first place. I understand that WHEN the iphone was about as powerful as a Ti-84, but most phones can handle dang near anything now. I don't see why these versions OF THE SAME GAME are so different. Take from my comment what you will, but that's my take. Thank you for coming to my TED talk!
I'm one of those players who started playing Minecraft on my phone and started playing Minecraft on PC recently. I noticed that even if both devices play Minecraft Bedrock, there are still differences, and I find these differences fun to play with.
Yeah but we (Bedrock) Also have people that attack java (mostly kids). Java youtubers do hate on bedrock more because they are used to playing java and are PC gamers.
The main takeaway is that they are for different users: Bedrock - Playing with friends specifically, compatible on phones, switches etc slowing down higher end improvements, different code stopping/allowing certain features, Microsoft owned (marketplace) and less customising Java - For pro players who liked mods, resource packs and shaders for free, more possibilities and aimed for high end devices. Better for server multiplayer
@@TheEmeraldCreeper only on mcpedl which only works for mobile & pc, plus there’s a very limited range and a poor quality selection. It’s full of scams and not monitored well and it’s nothing compared to the Java selection. Even MCPEDL isn’t all free tonight
@@NotAgnor I mean, there's also faithful. I don't find myself using much as the classic texture pack is nice. there's also a free RTX pack on the marketplace i'm pretty sure but you need a certain graphics card
@@TheEmeraldCreeper yeah, faithful is good but that’s on Java too & the marketplace one is stolen. Theres way better packs and pbr and stuff on Java, there’s also RTX shaders there & normal shaders with no minimum requirements
@@NotAgnor I don't use the market place faithful, I use faithfulvenom, which isn't stolen but i've used the ones from the faithful sight as well before. The main issue I have with Java is lag, and while not unplayable it is a little annoying
Personally, I just made a creative superflat world to test several builds. Now, after several years, there's so much stuff from farms to a self made castle. I poured so much hours into that creative world and it would take way too many hours to recreate it on java.
@@Tridentofmemesyou are sooooo wrong, Java has ONLY PC players and is 20%-40% of the community. Mean while bedrock is 60%-80% and most of them are on the phone/ tablets. The rest are devided between all consoles and PCes
I have played on Java up until the second I tried Bedrock and I never went back to Java after that. I have no idea why, but my fairly good and expensive PC handles Bedrock way better, I had a few mods to help out my Java but it never was as smooth as Bedrock. So glad there are dedicated Bedrock RUclipsrs!
there is no tradeoff with the good performance mods, just that mojang, itty bitty small indie studio that they are, are too lazy to implement these changes from open source mods. sodium/rubidium make client performance buttery smooth lithium/canary optimize tons of things and can almost halve server tick times phosphor/radon massively improve lighting performance and fix tons of lighting bugs saturn and ferritecore make minecraft, particularly modded, use way less memory krypton/pluto improve networking lazyDFU stops the game from setting up all the tools to upgrade a world between versions *every time you play* and none of these mods change anything whatsoever to how the game works. you could drop these into any world and everything would work the same just run better. and there are also mods like Alternate Current which make redstone dust more efficient and its update order actually understandable. and every single mod i just listed is completely open source. there's no excuse that mojang just doesnt know how to do it and mojang *has* brought on several mod developers to work with them, and they even tried to merge optifine into vanilla at some point and it just didnt happen cause the author is an egomaniac high off his own farts and didnt wanna do it cause mojang didnt want the zoom feature. none of this would happen because the authors of these mods are well-adjusted people, and as opposed to optifine, again, all these mods are open source
Ironically, there actually are some downsides...that no one will ever see. Sodium's current version(0.6) has some minor bugs that you mostly have to go frame by frame to notice, Iris breaks Panorama screenshots(Which while a vanilla feature, actually takes more mods to use anyways, so lol) and Krypton appearently breaks some sort of statistic display in the debug menu. Official MC Updates straight up break more things on average than these mods do combined, lol.
i dont remember exactly but afaik the way these open source mods are licensed means that if mojang wants to add them to the game they have to make the entire game open source but i might be wrong
I play both Bedrock and Java edition. Bedrock I play because my fiancé only uses console and doesn’t use PC, but have adjusted to it over time due to having worked so hard to get things on our realm. When I played Java with friends, we had to do a bunch of workarounds and next update it all broke bc of the mods and we couldn’t use the world anymore. Stuff like waystone mods are super nice since a five minute trip to the fortress & my ancient cities in our realm is annoying but it’s worth it to know my world is actually backed up, saved and won’t get corrupted so easily. Still, even playing bedrock half of the time I’ve gotten so many rude comments from people saying “well there’s your problem” whenever I ask for help in something. It shouldn’t matter what version people use, unless you’re planning to play co-op with someone tbh
I used to agree with toycat about his vanilla purism, and I preferred the bedrock edition for a while. Then they added Netherite and his argument about mods breaking the balance ceiling and adding features that surpass diamond gear got completely BTFO'd, and I find it hard to take his opinions that seriously now. And I'm not even the type to use mods like that in the first place. I love both versions, but modding the game is just too huge a feature for me.
That argument against mods was always kinda broken. I have like 400-ish moving parts in the modpack I am building and after doing some configuration, literally none of them even touch the balance of the game outside of possibly the dynamic light. Toycat makes a lot of good points about Bedrock, but the idea that every mod on Java is pure insanity is just wrong.
you are correct in that mojang is to lazy to improve performance, mods like sodium and lithium change no behaviour. It's probably legal reasons why they can't add them. Also if you use a different launcher like prism it's then actually a one klick install mods.
I prefer Java combat and modding, having used bedrock for about 4y, console when that was available and Java from last year, although I do occasionally play a disk version of console edition for glide mostly
Him: One click mods! Curseforge: *vanishes* Him: Easier multiplayer! Essential: *vanishes* Him: Super high render distance! 69 mods improving render distance in some way: *vanishes* Other than that I still respect your opinion.
He does make a point though. Doing all 3 of those things takes much more effort and time than doing them on Bedrock. And I’m the type of person who plays mods on Java all the time.
I know this is probably untrue, but everytime I boot up Bedrock, it just feels like a lesser version of Java, nothing apparent is wrong with it per se, it just feels different and like, not that good to play with compared to Java, I always end up coming back to Java for this reason, I guess Bedrock for me feels more like I'm playing on a phone with a keyboard and mouse, compared to Java where it feels more cohesive. I understand what I'm saying is propably a huge nitpick, but it just FEELS true to me. btw not even the console edition made me feel this way, XBOX360 minecraft felt just as alright as java, its a bedrock specific issue i have that i cannot point a finger to where they went wrong.
Well, what you feel about something isn't untrue. We're humans and feeling is what we do. I wish more Java players in comment sections would aknowledge that their gripe comes down to how it feels different. That's fine but different isn't wrong. It's just different. Bedrock PC players have a similar experience when trying Java.
Well, it is a mobile game that is intentionally cheaper to run on worse hardware without optimizing it for said hardware. Hopefully, a lot of it will resolve itself once they finally drop 32 bit support entirely and the Switch port gets(possibly) replaced with a Switch 2 port.
As a person who moved from bedrock to Java, trying to do anything professionally is such a pain on bedrock, no litematica, no QOL mods, less options. It’s a pain when you want to make anything fancy anywhere or tune it for you, it’s a pain. Less mod capability on bedrock, no building plugins, worse commands. Anything to do on bedrock that requires building anything in creative or a map, bedrock is my last choice. With terrible commands, slower building, and more bugs you need to iron through it’s just a pain. Though I do give server hosting to bedrock, it’s 6x more efficient to host on the newest version. However for said servers your anticheat needs to be leagues better (and most aren’t) compared to Java. On bedrock you can straight up give yourself items and teleport around the world. But on a survival side, bedrock is ok. It’s bearable but anything to do with farms on bedrock is just terrible, it’s slower, bigger, and less efficient, poor redstone, poor rates. I personally don’t like the PVP on bedrock too much either, they have half of the Java PVP features with their spam clicking PVP, with shield disabling (and shields by themselves on bedrock) it isn’t really as balanced as it is on Java. If there are any other bedrock players I’d be happy to see your side on my points.
I hope I don't sound too toxic but as a bedrock player myself I think you're making things sound worse then they actually are. For example in your comment you talk a lot about modding but as a casual player (most Bedrock players are) I don't really care about mods and am happy with the ones we have, I have texture packs, great behaviour packs and much more which makes everything you said was bad much better, Mojang is already working on modding capabilities for Bedrock and soon we might have even better mods and (maybe) rival Java, also I've built many farms in my life and none of them have been too big or slow. Going on to your take on commands, I am kind of mad about how bad the Commands are on Bedrock but I don't think they're 'terrible', We can do (almost) everything that Java can Do but it might take a few more steps. Also let's remember that Java PVP used to be like Bedrocks and that many people in the Java community like the old style and may even move over to Bedrock for it. I have played on Bedrock for ages and have never found a problem with the PVP and think that there is no real Spam-Click aspect since just spamming will let the opponent get an opening on you. I have played Bedrock sincere I was a child and find most of the things you said are very minor issues to me but I guess people who have Laptops and PCs are used to having stronger more powerful systems and better games and aren't used to the more optimised, more open versions. hope I didn't seem to mean in that and if I did, sorry lol.
What you're really saying is that you don't like Minecraft when you complain about mods not existing. Just stop playing if you don't like the game. Stop forcing yourself to do things you hate. This is true of all games. If you can't play it vanilla then you simply do not like it and should waste your time or money on it. Find something you enjoy to start with.
@@RunicSigils if I find an issue with something, you’d assume I could fix it myself no? All I need is some tiny tweaks. This point isn’t very fair either; Bedrock has mods itself, it’s an intended thing. I don’t really understand why Bedrock players flex that it’s the vanilla version, the mods I’ve pointed out are mods for a reason. Mojang isn’t going to add a schematic feature because it doesn’t fit in their eyes.
@@Zer0_2199 good response, I suppose the two versions are for two different types of players. One is for casual players who don’t really care that they lose minor things for some optimizations and playing with friends. The other is for technical players.
The Bedrock marketplace's existence tells me Mojang recognizes this and is trying to bring some of that content ecosystem over, but the current implementation just, isn't it.@@user-h7W178TsRk
I know this is extremely late, but the whole idea of "mods will fix it" is kind of stupid because that means it shouldn't be a problem in the first place, and it not getting fixed lead to fans fixing it themselves, and the fix isn't even accessible to everyone anyways Don't get me wrong, I'm a Java guy all the way through, partly due to mods, and mostly due to it being the most familiar. I am planning on giving Bedrock a shot in the near future because some of the differences in gameplay have caught my interest.
As someone who plays on my iPad 9 with controller, I feel happy you have made a video comparing the two, telling your prefrence without ranting against the other version.
bedrock edition is the only version I've played, but java edition is great too, I'm sure. ( if I ever do try java edition, I'd absolutely NEED to use a controller, because i seriously do better with controllers, and all of the experience I have at minecraft is with a controller, so I'd probably have to learn the game all over again, at least as far as control inputs. ) also java has sad
Java with controller is great except there is no native controller support, you would have to use mods but other than that it works great and any controller works!
If you ever do try out java, remember to also try the Controllable mod! It's pretty much what the name implies, which is full controller support. Just be careful how/when you download mods, viruses are everywhere. The best place to download mods is usually curseforge.
I use a mod called MidnightControls and it supports both dualshock and xinput controllers, it's amazing. Super customizable too. You should definitely install it if you get Java edition.
A keyboard and mouse is way better for Minecraft, inventory management is clunky with a controller, same with crafting, and looking or aiming at a specific point is near impossible with a controller.
I grew up playing Bedrock Edition. Bedrock Edition is misunderstood, there are just goofy people calling it "bUG-rOCk". Sure, the wither is tougher in Bedrock, but not everyone goes for it. I thought I never found someone who ACTUALLY likes Bedrock Edition other than me. Mad respect, man.
I was trying to play bedrock because I can play across all my devices. The problem I found is that automated farms did not work for me. The simulation distance was awful to the point that mobs would de-spawn from just a few blocks away. I would see this mob I wanted to tame, go back to my house like 30 blocks away and when I came back it would not be there. Java runs great for me, i use Fabric, Iris and Sodium. Also, the shaders!!! Amazing shaders with great performance. I had to stop playing bedrock and go back to Java.
6:00 I believe Mojang actually tried to purchase Optifine once but they disagreed on a few things so It didin't go through. So basically Mojang is indeed very lazy!
@@citricmantis_543 Well I was disproving Toycats theory that Optifine is not good by saiyng that even Mojang itself knows it is and is interested in improving the game but won't do it themselfs
I have always wanted to move to Java but I can never get the game to run well, even with performance mods. I've never had that issue with bedrock and that's made me stick with it even with all of its problems. Plus, I'm also just used to playing with a controller on a big screen due to legacy console edition
I recently tried the bedrock version because I wanted to play with my siblings but I frustrated with some of the weirdness of that version. Imma stick with my mods on Java
I agree with this like for an example I tried picking bedrock back up when they made it free if you had the opposite version and the kb just felt off I usually play on hypixel btw the armor was super strong compared to Java so actually killing players was painful and everything just looks off not as big of an issue to the other ones but still
minecraft bedrock: -click the cube and play -one click mod downloads -rtx minecraft java: -startup the launcher -span that broken name selector button for 15 minutes straight so it -the game crashes half the time -mods are painful to install -horrible fps on good pc -dont even think about multiplayer
Bruh 0:07 java is the better version Bedrock is not better than java Even though it has cool features doesn't mean it's the best Its way worse than java I've played it . Not bad but not better than java
I'm fine with both versions, but I mostly play java because of the sheer number of free mods and the better combat system (different weapon cooldowns and damages as opposed to spam-clicking a sword). But I still like Bedrock since it has significantly better performance and a nice character customizer.
I usually play Java, mostly due to the familiarity, variety of servers, and the precision of a mouse. However, one thing I have to admit is that performance is pretty bad without mods. I don’t mind mods in of themselves, but having to get a new set of them for every major update just to get decent performance really is a chore.
different strokes for different folks, i grew up playing minecraft java since beta and a couple years ago switched to bedrock, played that with some friends on and off for like half a year but ultimately came back to java again, i cant describe why i just much prefer it. maybe because of the redstone mechanics are different? or the fact you can block with a shield without crouching, little stuff like that help make the game better imo
I’ve always played Bedrock (don’t have a PC) but when I did play Java, I noticed everything was so much smoother and everything felt so much sharper and more precise. I played both the Bedrock Edition and Java Edition on PC at 240fps capped, and yet Java still felt much more enjoyable in terms of how smooth it was. This was on a friend’s PC, which has an i5 12400f, RTX 3060 combination. Did have optifine on Java btw, and Shaders too. Looked and felt amazing. I hope someday we’ll get Ray Tracing on Next-Gen. The consoles can definitely handle it, but for some reason Mojang or Microsoft don’t want to add it in.
@@V1Salvo they probably can’t hit 60fps and don’t want to risk hurting bedrocks reputation of running way better than Minecraft, having a further render distance for less frames and all that. I use optifine too and average something like 300fps at 1440p ultrawide, yes I know it’s overkill for Minecraft I play other games too 😂 tbh they are both fun I like how they can monetize one version of the game to keep another version totally free and have updates over 10 years after release
@@titans2720 I mean, I think they can. I have a $300 Series S and, before it was patched, I put an addon that would allow you to run Minecraft at 120fps (normally runs at 60). It ran perfectly, no frame drops, and at max render distance too (28 chunks on Xbox). So for sure it would be able to run at the very least at 1080p 60fps with Ray Tracing. As for the Series X and PS5, they are even more powerful. I mean, even the Xbox One & PS4 were supposed to have the Super Duper Graphics Pack which ended up being cancelled. Those are last-gen consoles. So yeah, they are 100% more than capable enough. These consoles are sold at a loss, made up for in Xbox Live Gold & PS+ membership monthly revenue, so they are much more powerful than you may think. A $300 Series S is equivalent to a PC worth $750-$850 at least. The Ray Tracing was also demoed multiple times in 2020 on the Series X, where it ran flawlessly, before then being cancelled after the release of the next-gen systems. Right now I’m basically playing Minecraft on Next-Gen but on the Last-Gen version, which sucks. It’s not even Next-Gen Optimised.
I am a mod junkie so the idea of using mods such as Create made me switch to Java right away after i had an opportunity to try it out but i do have respect for players that are enjoying the game as is. I have conditioned myself to the idea that my modpack is the most superior way to play the game which holds me back most of the time and ties me to older versions of the game. Updating a hurdle of 100+ mods that is my modpack is quite a task as you can imagine, so i have to wait a millennia until most of the mods are ported to newer versions of the game and furthermore until i am not lazy enough to update it. And yes, the performance is comparable to the health condition of a dying disabled elderly drug addict that is going through a withdrawal and an overdose at the same time. My game is on life support at this point although i have cleaned up a bunch of mods recently. The poor performance was the initial reason i chose to opt for bedrock instead, but after they had merged both versions and i received Java for free, it wasn't as bad as i thought it would be. Well, at least until i have discovered mods. Despite all of this, the Create mod along with others bring thousands of possibilities in the game so i don't think i am missing out on much. The only reasons i strive to update to 1.19.3/1.20 are the inventory tweaks they have implemented. Not much but making Java's absolutely horrible creative inventory a little bit tolerable is a price to pay even if it means i will have to abandon some of the mods and spend ages sorting them. Btw, what a villainous act you have committed here at 10:10
I started on Bedrock with my Windows 10 PC. I had friends who were playing on Java so I purchased that version a few years ago. Been playing Java since but one thing I like is that I can download different versions of the Java edition. I downloaded 1.0 and laughed at how many recipes were different. Took me the longest to craft a book, to the point where I raided a stronghold for bookshelves. Slaughtered all those cows for nothing.
i like that you can play different updates on the java edition too! i actually started a new world recently on the java edition just for the sake of playing the 1.8 update
@@TheFlyfly you can on bedrock too but need a third party software. it sucks that the launcher don't have it... But if you own bedrock, couldn't you get java for free before?
I mean I love both versions… but the bugs on bedrock… idk.. (Not trying to start an argument here alright… so shush) 1) you can… I guess easily pick back up the water from inside and outside… but I can’t… I know, weird… thing is I’m not sure if it’s a console thing or what but I climb back up something… try picking up the water from the insi- *no….* *just no…* The game won’t let me… dunno why just won’t.. 2) I fly with Elytra… and uh… I take random amount of damage while flying… *and I’m not running into things…* I also was about to run into something… dodged it within like 11 blocks or so… *damage….* *the game is sorta buggy* And lastly, 3) I try to fly with the trident and I do that I take damage in the air… *and I haven’t landed yet…* I’m mid air then boom… *damage* I don’t get what the problem is but it’s just idk it’s something that happens god knows why… That’s all I have to say and also… NO! I am NOT trying to start an argument in the comments… I like both games very much and I honestly think there great… just the bugs and stuff…
It's weird that most people would start a argument because they like a different version or not I mean it's literally just Minecraft in your opinion is good but I play on ps4 console edition lol 😂
Bedrock has so many bugs and performance issues, and it doesn’t have as much customization as Java. Also let’s not forget about microtransactions. Aside from combat, Java is infinitely better, saying otherwise is wrong
You forgot multiplayer, if I want to just play a world with my friends bedrock is so much more convenient, and I say that as someone who prefers Java and really into mods.
5:55 the reason they "cant" do that is A. they cant use modded code directly, any optimisations have to be found and implemented by the mojang team. B. if they spent effort making java perform better, it would make bedrock look worse. Also, on top of having the advantage of being able to take advantage of multiple CPU cores, bedrock makes a bunch of compromises of its own (consistent redstone/hopper interactions being one of them) in order to achieve its better performance I want bedrock to be able to supercede java edition, but it wont. Microsoft wont put effort into the UX, they wont put effort into making the Marketplace better, they wont put effort into the small details that add up to make bedrock seem half-baked because none of that directly contributes to increasing the playerbase or increasing how much money that playerbase is putting into the game. The only reason Java Edition has survived so long is because Microsoft know mow much of an uproar it would cause if they discontinued it in favor of bedrock
As a bedrock player that started playing Minecraft on xbox360 , and mobile, i need to agree i like playing bedrock becuse of the nostalgic moments that i required whit my friends and family, but as a Minecraft play i can say that java is just better, i played the java version for the last 4 months becuse i wanted to give it a try and iven if i love playing bedrock at the point that i have over 1200 h on my new xbox account maid it like a year ago + the others versions, java is just better then bedrock, and because i can t say this whitout an argument, here is one : - Java edition is just smother then bedrock, i like how the animations are, and the fact that there is no laggy sensation it just better, despite the fact that i like finding buggs, at the point that i would find new bugs on bedrock almoste daily, but on java i beryl could find one, in 4 months i think i found around 4 bugs
I play both versions but honestly I'd never play bedrock if my friends didn't play that version. I just find Java more enjoyable. Being able to put anything in the off hand, hardcore mode, the easier farms and more compact redstone, everything about boats, the combat system, F3, subtitles, and I'm sure I'm missing many more. I like some things about bedrock but I also really hate some things. Obviously big salmon is a huge plus for bedrock though
@@hkgehts9061 I can make endermen stay in boats with mods? And make right click use the shield instead of having to crouch? Genuinely didn't know that. Also I didn't know there was a mod to make iron farms work with three villagers and to introduce quasi-connectivity exist in bedrock. This is all actually mind-blowing.
@@hkgehts9061 do you do this because your friends play on bedrock or just because you prefer bedrock? (Because obviously it works the other way too. So for example I can move cheats by installing free mods on java whereas I can't do that on my Playstation Bedrock game)
As a Java supremacist I will say Java probably has a ton of issues idk what these are but our lord and savior Java edition isn’t perfect I mean without optifine and other mods the game has a stroke and dies
I play Bedrock for many reasons, one of which is that it probably doesn't take that much space. Another is that I can use a controller, which was the first way I played Minecraft, which was on the Console Edition.
Honestly, what is the reason why people argue about Bedrock and Java and why people get so mad about 2 different game versions? They aren't so different. Java isn't the best, it isn't absolute perfection. I have barely experienced any bugs from Bedrock, not all mods, maps and texture packs are locked away inside the marketplace, you can find talented modders, incredibly detailed mods and texture packs in Bedrock that have the potential to rival Java's. So what is the fuss about? Is it arguing for arguements sake or is there some greater reason?
As someone who has recently gotten back into minecraft after over 5 years on console, your content has actually been pretty helpful for me because of this. Too many times I've seen a video only to find out it applied only to java.
As Java player, Bedrock edition just feels wrong to play. I have tried and tired and tried, but I just can't get over how weird it feels in comparison to Java.
As someone who plays minecraft Java Edition alot I have played the bedrock edition with keyboard and mouse, mobile controls and controller and as much as I enjoyed them the only reason why I like java edition is because of thr fond memories I have with it.
9:26 yeah, no lol. Not at all. I like bedrock and it's the version I play but my biggest problem with it is that the only versions that really have effort put in are the mobile and desktop versions. On the other hand, the console versions, especially Nintendo Switch, are much buggier and never seem to get any changes that improve their performance. It's playable on nearly any device out there but that doesn't mean that it runs well.
I also agree with you, I like bedrocks quirkiness. but I have now started plying alot more Java edition and getting my friends to aswell because I find I can create a more tailored experience
What Java has that bedrock doesn’t is a marketplace. This is one aspect that is often overlooked by players that want to choose a version. With Java, mods are free and created by the community as well as resource packs and plugins. Java has the many freedoms bedrock doesn’t. While bedrock is great for its accessibility to pretty much all platforms, I would always choose Java over bedrock due to its impeccable versatility. You choose how you play!
I think the Marketplace is not a good argument. First nobody forces you to use to marketplace or to buy something. Second there is a lot of free stuff to find at the Marketplace. And third. I compare the Marketplace with any kind of ingame shop that we have today. Games like Skyrim, or Fallout 4. Or assassins creed or any other game. Yo buy credits with real money, and with those credits you can purchase a mod in the shop or something. But is dont care. I pay for good mods or addons. You know its save to download or install. Its not malicious or something. and you support the devs.
@@robertm3205That’s not true. If you play on Bedrock, you MUST use the marketplace if you want mods. Your argument for the marketplace being good because some stuff is free is a moot point because ALL Java mods are free
For most of my life I've played Bedrock edition, but within the past 2 years I switched to Java edition. I love Java edition so much more to be honest, and the points you bring up are great. However, I have on simple problem with Java, and that is the performance. Mods like Optifine are becoming more and more necessary to even play it. This was a big problem back during 1.18 and 1.19, but now that 1.21 is out and I have a different PC I've started having problems with it. Its not that my PC sucks, since I can play other games that require much more resources to run just fine. This is a minecraft specific issue, and there are very few fixes other than mods. The fixes that do exist are also specific to what kind of PC you use and other factors.
I play Java, and I agree with everything you said in this video. Bedrock is were we started for some of us (like me) and Bedrock still needs some people like you to keep it alive. Both are great versions and all of you are welcome to have your own opinions. If you feel like Java isn’t for you, that’s fine! I from the Java community still likes the Bedrock community as much as you guys do. If you ever change your mind, the Java community welcomes you!
I originally played on my Xbox 360, transitioned to p.e. On my phone and now I play p.e. With my Xbox controller. I love playing with controller I hope to try Java with controller support, but I need to work a few kinks before that’s possible. This video was really quite refreshing and made me realise that liking my controller support is okay
It's not necessarily bad but it's inconsistent. Bedrock makes it more simple to just play through while java makes it slightly more complex to avoid that like crits. From his perspective he thought he only needs to stay back and attack til each mob dies rather then go near and click occasionally on each one. Also probably doesn't make it easier with fov difference.
I am a Java player. Always have been, always will be.... I've played Bedrock before on console and pc but I'm just a Java player... just how it goes. But I love watching Toy Cat and his adventures on Bedrock. Also, I really like being knowledgeable about both versions because of Toy Cat. Whatever version makes you happy is great.... We just like Minecraft.
I wouldnt mind playing bedrock more if modpacks and stuff were actually being full scale developed for bedrock. The only thing they have is marketplace stuff which turns everyone away from it
Yeah…I’ve noticed that a lot of PC players (myself included) don’t really like the idea of paying for mods. Or at least of being forced to pay for mods. For me, part of it is philosophy. You should be modding a game because you love it, not to make a quick buck. Forcing people to pay for mods incentivizes low-quality mods designed to make money, rather than the high-quality mods people make on Java because they love the game. That said, there are a couple of Marketplace items that have been tempting me.
I am the old woman player who started recently, about 6 months ago, and I recently started playing on survival from peaceful to normal, I am not fast but its ok I love playing and I Only play on bedrock , once I tried it , I think the graphics are somewhat better and I am left handed , the crafting keeps me using my mind and that is a good thing, you have taught me so much , like build myself up for raids and such to shoot a bow to give me enough time to kill, I just love your video's and look for them every day, thank you ibxtoycat !
Wholesome
Toycat needs to pin this
I’m glad you’re enjoying the game, so wholesome.
Wholesome! 💀
Hello old woman! Glad you enjoy the game ! The world is your oyster is what I always say.
You know, back in my day Java and bedrock were 2 different payments. Gotta love corporate takeover. Onwards and upwards !
Toycat is the most notable bedrock player who actually covers issues with the game and it would suck to lose his voice as apart of the bedrock community
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I play bedrock edition
If youtube was split 50/50 between java nad bedrock creators toycat would not be nearly as popular. I myself do not like his style of videos but he still is my go-to source of information on bedrock.
@@Nakaska I would somewhat agree. He definitely has his own style but the main reason I watch him is because he’s usually the first on bedrock specific news.
Does he at least mention the loading issues for bedrock on consoles (Nintendo Switch being the worst often taking 2-5 minutes to fully load in Minecraft and Microsoft along with skins and marketplace). Also the timing issues with redstone which causes the inability for creation of flying machines in bedrock (100% fixable by the way where RUclipsrs claimed this isn't fixable and had no clue what they were saying). Corrupt world files in bedrock edition from the Microsoft Minecraft store/ marketplace. Most issues with bedrock are the fact mojang is now a stock owned company by Microsoft. Same goes for the performance in java, however the bedrock has also had extremely high performance drops in consoles and PC though less noticeable on PC. (Just had this comment come back in my notifications. Wanted to say some good news, in the bug reports Mojang has finally acknowledged that Redstone is completely wrong in the bedrock and they are going to fix it at an unscheduled update.... And it took how many reports for this acknowledgement... After all legacy console and bedrock are programmed in C++ and legacy console versions of Minecraft had proper redstone.)
I started playing Minecraft on pocket edition in 2013 and I've seen it grow and become bedrock edition. Now, I play mainly on bedrock edition simply because it's where I have my long term world and because I'm more used to it then java edition.
I started playing MCPE in like 2014 and Java in 2015 but had terrible laptop so I played MCPE until 2019 when I still had a bad desktop now then played both 👍🏼
Same but except with the old legacy console edition.
@@JmKrokY my first experience of Minecraft PE was Minecraft PE lite things were far more different then.
I started minecraft pocket edition 2016 and still play it because i dont have a console and on pc its too expensive :.)
@thebanana8150 it's just 6 dollars, and on Bedrock, you pay for EVERYTHING
Some of the issues with performance mods are copyright reasons. There was a deal with Optifine a few years ago that fell through because Mojang only wanted the performance aspects.
But yeah, a large part of the divide between Java and Bedrock is preferences and familiarity rather than quality. As I've gained a taste for redstone I've essentially anchored myself to the version I learned it in; not because it's better but because it takes a huge commitment to understand the system.
And other mods like sodium lithium and starlight are licensed (GPL-3.0) in a way that mojang can't use them without open sourcing the entire mc code.
I mean, that doesn't mean Mojang can't make those changes. It just means they'd have to actually do the work and code it themselves, and can't copy existing code from mods.
a reason bedrock has better performance is its written i C++ Programming Language And Compiled Into Executables But Java Edition of Minecraft from it name its written in java programming language which runs in Java Operating System Or JVM (Java Virtual Machine) Mostly JVM Then Compiled To Bytecode Which is why it makes it slow plus JVM is virtual machine running a operating system and also took time to boot while java executables are running it makes minecraft really slow
if installing performance mod can bring the fps much higher, then the language itself isn't at fault.
stop repeating this BS that because it's Java it's slow.
Java and C++ can get close in performance
@@thearmyofiron (Joke:) i still hate OOP, Interpreted Languages or languages that doesnt run standalone even C++
C, Haskell, Lisp And Rust Are Holy Programming Languages To Me
60-70% of Java exclusive features are glitches that they liked so much they decided to keep them. Such as redstone quasi-connectivity.
@Eh? 一人一 dupers always get removed.
@Eh? 一人一 not True at all. Dupers which work in 1.20 are very very few
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@eh3630Personally I think those are fine since they are really not extremely important, or are close to impossible to get in bulk. While dupers with diamonds of totems would actually be a problem;
@Eh.........nether roof builds aren't glitches. They're. Specifically chosen feature. The build limit on bedrock only goes to the bedrock layer but on Java it goes like 150 blocks higher.
On the note of performance: There's a lot that can be improved in Minecraft's code without hurting gameplay in the slightest, mods are doing what Mojang needs to do, however I won't call them lazy, it's a management issue that's holding them back from doing these things themselves, nothing more, nothing less.
they need to fix the lag in mangrove swamp/jungle ASAP. like it has been literal YEARS and those biomes are still unplayable on java if you want to have a decent render distance (over 7 chunks)
Its really sad how much better Minecraft Bedrock can run on phones than Minecraft Java on a PC. They really need to do something about it soon.
Most of my experience has been on Mobile or Console now bedrock I played Java on a frankly banjaxed notepad when I was 7 to 9 while also playing java on better computers at friends houses. My console is an X Box series X.
@@nafsii04 You must have a very terrible pc if those biomes are unplayable on Java for you. My PC is like 4 years old now and I still get way over 200fps with 24 render distance.
@@evilpaper456 im a person with an average work laptop, i dont have a computer. those biomes are playable on bedrock with 60fps, so the problem is with java.
As someone who originally started playing on Java, I used to not be much into bedrock. Within the last few years, I’ve definitely changed my mind on it and have really enjoyed bedrock the same as, if not more than Java, but I really appreciate both versions.
Hey, i saw your last two videos! I just want to say that i really enjoyed them, and i hope you make more!
same
Hmm
I play both but Java has better feel to it
Yeah they were great hope you keep making more
Java actually does have under water rails now :) I hope more of the cool features will make their way to both versions
It has done that since 1.17. That was in 2020.
glad somebody else noticed but guess cant expect catman to know everything at least he didnt say biome water colors was bedrock exclusive this time
neat but dose it have flamethrower golems hmmmmmm
@@evergreengamer5767 toxic
@@murillomelo683 Not really.
4:24 a recent mod in Java edition allows you to do exactly same things, i tried it and it worked perfectly (and even adds bedrock features like adding friends, cosmetics, emotes and more)
For anyone curious the mod is called Essential
PS im not a native speaker so sorry for any errors
ibxtoycat is a vanilla Minecraft purist, though.
@@timothyvanhoeck233 aka pretty lame
yea bro u need mods for everything bedrock just has it already
@@ahmed-music-prod You don't *NEED* mods, the game is totally playable without changing anything (unless you play on a pregnancy test kit).
@@ahmed-music-prod you need 2 total mods for most important bedrock features (which tbf, are not that important)
I don't really understand the benefit from bedrock you get complete modding freedom vs better frames and less setup time
I honestly think the render distance makes a big deal in how great the game looks. Standing in a massive lush cave or just cave or ravine in general and being able to see every block and how vast the world looks really makes it feel more adventurous and increases the curiosity. Even looking over a massive amount of terrain makes you feel so little and that you have to explore every crevasse
Issue is that Bedrock splits render and simulation distance, whereas in Java it's the same thing. In Java all seen chunks are fully loaded.
I wish they'd separate it in Java, apparently it's possible to implement, though I doubt Mojang will do it.
@@Olivia-Wthat feature exists on sodium i believe. which is easy to install
FarPlane 2 proves that if Mojang bothered to add LODs like every other 3d game ever, render distance would be essentially unlimited.
@@notme8232 imagine what could do big company when modders do already impressive
@Olivia-W Actually it Is seperated in Java, in 3 actually, with the main render distance, simulation distance and shadow distance (distance where it generates new chunks) Also, for people used to play bedrock edition, java may be laggy, because you would have a better gpu instead of a better cpu, which is good for bedrock, but worse for java. Same goes the other way around tho, java players lag on bedrock because they have a better cpu instead of a better gpu
Finally, someone who gives reasons why their version is better instead of giving reasons why the other version is bad
The shop and coins is the only reason why I'll never play bedrock (well, besides Microsoft never acknowledging my store application to list my RP for free).
@@senderbleeper then don't implement a shop. Games and shops don't mix. It's for fun, not for another place to spend money in.
@@trakaiszeks if you dont like it then stop playing java edition too because microsoft owns both versions of the game
@@trakaiszeks Aw boohoo, let me a sad song for you on the worlds smallest violin
For me the shop just feels odd in Minecraft, but yeah you don't have to visit it but it can sometimes feel scummy. (Also Microsoft isn't the main creator for things on the shop, it is small development teams or indie creators) either way I think the shop is good, but I don't know if it fits Minecraft.
Honestly, I like both Bedrock and Java. Sure they both have their fair share of flaws, but at the end of the day, they're both Minecraft. It's useless arguing what version of the game is "better" because everyone has their own preferences on how they wanna play Minecraft. It's good that there are Bedrock RUclipsrs like Toycat because this edition represents the majority of the Minecraft playerbase statistically, and it allows missing gaps to be filled when Java creators don't fill them.
I think Microsoft (who owns minecraft) WANTS us to argue- to try and get more BE players- and BE is not available on Mac or Linux -Microsoft’s main competition
Same
Most of my experience has been on Mobile or Console now bedrock I played Java on a frankly banjaxed notepad when I was 7 to 9 while also playing java on better computers at friends houses. My console is an X Box series X.
The only reason why i played bedrock is because addons.
@@tjb3171 Trust me, they don't need to get more BE players, it's the primary version of Minecraft now, and it has way WAY more players than Java does. I personally prefer java for the ability to use mods, but Java is no longer the primary version of the game, and that has been the case for a while. There's a reason bedrock's title screen just says MINECRAFT, while java's says MINECRAFT :Java Edition
this is why i think minecraft is looking at parity wrong. it's really awesome that there's all sorts of little differences and reasons that players like their version of minecraft, and if you try to take those away someone's always going to be disappointed. the small differences and weird exclusives are what make each version fun! parity should be about the big things that everyone is complaining about (health regen) and not the unique parts of the game that make it familiar and fun (big salmon, combat)
I think parity is slowing down development and hindering both editions since Java and C++, while related, are very different languages with different capabilities.
@@JasonTaylor-po5xcthey aren’t far enough apart to cause gameplay differences. The only real differences are technical and wouldn’t he noticeable by the end user
@@luiginotcool At a high level, yes. But Redstone works differently. Bridging is different. Bedrock has trident killers. Java has villager scare mechanic for iron farms. You can build on the nether roof in Java. The Wither is much harder in Bedrock. Mojang has made significant moves forward in parity (seed generation although structures are still different). Bedrook has no structures in superflat, no hardcore mode, not biome-only worlds, etc. The point is Mojang is basically coding everything twice and working through different sets of bugs. There are also Bedrock limitations because of mobile device/console support that hold back Java edition and even the PC Bedrock edition.
@@JasonTaylor-po5xc these differences aren’t because of the 2 different languages though. They’re different because they’re just different games
@@luiginotcool I'm a software engineer for the past 25 years. I am extremely familiar with both C++ and Java. Some of the differences are because of technology platform. For example, graphics rendering is better on Bedrock because of more native access to rendering engines. The main thing holding back Bedrock is simply needing to accommodate mobile devices. In theory, Bedrock should perform much better than Java simply because Java is an interpreted language vs native compiled.
I started playing when Minecraft was in the beta. Then I quit only to pick it back up almost a decade later.
Here's why I play Bedrock: it feels more vanilla to me. No TNT dupers, animals aren't persistent but respawn, Villagers are a bit less random, the list goes on.
The only things I'm missing is being able to dual wield everything and the insane saturation regen.
And maybe named banners on maps, but I can live without that.
You can just choose not to use tnt dupers lol
@@honukane242 r/woosh
Ya, the thing i love in bedrock is animals respawn. But not many good mods there for free. The good mods only available in marketplace and u need to buy it. It hurts my brain.
Tnt dupers aren't even a thing anymore. How is bedrock's vanilla better if even the combat is stuck in 1.8 😭
@@bonemanhollow bro doesn’t even know what that means 💀
9:38 Ah the raid is taking place. Oh well guess I'll go and harrass the mother and baby foxes instead 💀
EXACTLY ☠️
I started playing Minecraft Console in 2016. A few months later, I had found your channel - a video relating to TU46. I remember your vídeos as they seemed to be (as well as Echo’s) minecraft console’s only informative channels. I was fairly saddened with Better Together in September of 2017. A year later, my minecraft broke. I continued watching your channel but not playing.
However, when COVID rolled around, I suddenly remembered about my console saves and loaded the two games up. I finally managed to get to an earlier state in my worlds. This lasted for two years until October. It broke again. Luckily, now I had a computer and played minecraft again. I use a controller as well.
Truly however, the only reason i play bedrock is because of *BIG SALMON.*
As a redstoner, java is the only option
I do red stone too but for me bedrock is easier to understand and do redstone fore.
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How did this not get pinned? Or show up higher? I wasn't even aware you had commented on this video, totally deserved a heart. Also a Crafty x Toycat video would be awesome.
Java for mods
Bedrock for Friends
Thats how I play.
The optifine and Sodium mods change the game by allowing the JavaScript to access multi core functionality.
Java allows only a single core to process everything. It makes the game a multi core operating environment.
It changes KEY aspects to the functionality of the game though. Like removes Volumetric fog and other effects and replaces them with low quality versions or “rendering” ghosts.
It basically takes everything that’s far away and loads a psudo version of it that has no actual game data other than visual data. And when you get close it switches it to the “actor” or actual thing that the game calls for.
The first time I came across a spawner it was a skeleton one and I hadn’t done any research on Minecraft and had no idea what to do with it. I remember burying it and attempting to build a basic base on the land above it. I have now watched many RUclips Minecrafters and I’m thankful for you all for sharing your knowledge and creativity with us.
I’m still very new to the game and in fact haven’t played for 3 months because I have moved for work and have only now managed to get my PS4 set again now. I’m very interested in exploring the new changes that the updates have made and to go back to trying to create all sorts of farms.
I play on my PS4 and occasionally my switch because I can’t afford a computer with enough memory and game play, and also I find playing with a controller more comfortable and more intuitive than using and remembering the keyboard keys.
Each versions has their ups and downs. I play both editions, and both of them are equally fun.
I started with the pocket edition all the way back in 2014, sadly my og world is now gone and I don't even remember how it got deleted. I got my main world on java, which I had for 2 years now, but i'm slowly working on my bedrock world on the side which I hope will be my successor to my old pocket edition world.
Yeah, idk why people are arguing on which version is the best, in my opinion they're equal and I love playing both
I can agree with you here. I started playing bedrock (console edition) in 2017 and I instantly fell in love with it. I started playing Java very recently (this month) and am extremely surprised by the graphics and how fast the game runs and everything like that. I can’t pick sides and don’t know why people argue about versions.
@@axefuriousfe3228true. Java is customisable, but bedrock has more dev support
By the way if you use the curseforge launcher, most mod packs are pretty much one click installations, and they are all completely free as well. And even if you don't there's options to add mods that quickly let you access the mod folder to add mods in game. There's also mods that do allow for one-click multiplayer every similar to bedrock which even can be installed via the near seemless curseforge, the one I use is called the essentials mod and it's pretty vanilla friendly.
My setup is basically just a few performance mods plus the essentials mod for the vanilla gaming experience with Java that I have always wanted. It even somehow runs better than bedrock on my laptop because bedrock apparently doesn't know what to do with the i9-12900h and RTX 3070 ti inside.
Yup. Most 3rd-party launchers basically have "one click mod install" now.
You have to give bedrock more RAM
It has a preset for how much it uses so its prilly getting like 1g of it
That's only if your computer can run Forge's new bullshit, not everyone has an expensive gaming computer
@@0grey0 My previous laptop only had a GTX 1650 and a mid-range mobile Ryzen from a few generations ago (can't remember the exact chip, but it wasn't high end) and it could run modded Minecraft just fine at 8-16 chunks in like 1.16, which was the current latest version of the game the last time I played on it. It would have to be some really dated or low end laptop not designed for gaming to have significant issues running java at least 8 chucks (the minimum at which I think is reasonably playable), especially with the correct mods and settings.
Yes, bedrock can run better at higher render distances, but the input lag this adds to the game is really noticeable on more recent versions and the engine doesn't utilize high end hardware nearly as well because what I can best describe as engine limitations or poor resource optimizations, it's bad enough that my newest laptop somehow runs the bedrock edition worse than my previous one did. As a matter of fact, my laptop even before that one which had an i3 and uhd 620 integrated graphics, ran bedrock almost as good as my second one did despite having a HDD and only 8Gbs of cheap single channel memory.
I know bedrock has it's place, however java edition is the best my opinion in terms of mods, and it has much more options in terms of tweaking to get the most out of your experience.
Regardless of what version you play, we all have to agree that Dasani tastes like coins
Good man
Based
I've described it as rock sweat before
@@trueblueflare that also works well, but it tastes like metal to me 🗿
All water tastes like coins to me idk why
I don’t hate bedrock or anything but just wanted to address these points
One click mods: use prism launcher
Easy adding people to the game: use essential mod, easily installed with prism launcher
Performance: fabulously optimized modpack, easily installed with prism launcher
Controller support: midnight controls, easily installed with prism launcher
Switching around PC’s and reinstalling mods: create a modpack for prism launcher to easily transfer them
TL;DR: don’t use the bare bones official launcher
I started playing on Java many moons ago and then with mods to make it more stable, due to mine carts lagging so much on my home run server. It was fun, but having to update the mods so often, it got stale. I've recently started playing Xbox Bedrock and am having a lot of fun with it, my only gripe is that I can't seem to bring my custom Java skin with me, which sucks. I prefer my own skin creation as it's more personal than picking from a list of parts.
I’m pretty sure you *can* import skins on bedrock, but it won’t be whitelisted by default and other players have to enable a special option to see it.
@@rosebousch2175 On PC bedrock yes, but console doesn't, I'm playing on the Xbox one version.
@@313Games well if you use other software on xbox, you can get custom skins, just search it on youtube and you'll get your answer
Ah i can see you called months moons, common mistake on Translation
@@IvanoKing3 Nope, moons was what I implied, it just means 'a very long time ago."
The beauty of minecraft is that it for all ages 8-80 , almost 60 here and been playing for over 10 or more years
I want to play bedrock as it has cross platform play, but man I cannot give up all the features java has. Building on nether roof, the useful F3 menu, being able to put whatever in your offhand like torches or food, able to see chunks and hitboxes, and of course, the infamous banner shield, etc. I just wish bedrock had all these so I can switch.
Essential mod allows you and your friends to be friends and join each others worlds like bedrock
@@JediFrog7 I didn't know about that thanks!
They will eventually add the off hand and hopefully option to see chunk border and hit boxes but not betting on that second one anytime soon
@@circadianvenus7119 no thats not been announced yet and i dont think its possible to use off hand on controller
@@Κ3Ν there was an added command on bedrock that allows you put more in your off hand, also a controller is about the same as a mouse, it will work on controller the same way as on mouse
I agree, but for me it was the opposite (bedrock->Java)
Why?
@@JmKrokY Got tired of bedrock(played since2013), and i like java gameplay a bit more
@@ZetQo Isn't the gameplay almost the exact same?
@@JmKrokY Faster healing and no spamming in pvp
@@ZetQo Pre 1.9 PvP is superior on Java anyways, not sure why you would prefer new combat PvP 🗿
Although new combat is great for PvE 👍🏼
Also yeah healing on Bedrock sucks
my childhood was bedrock but when i tried java i really like it
and now its my main
@@rileytat123 Same. I still go back once in a while. Especially when my cousins invite me to play together.
Ok, here's my take: I play Java. I love Java over Bedrock. There are really cool things you can do in Java you can't do in Bedrock. BUT... the opposite is true. Coming from a Java player who has also personally played Bedrock, I think Bedrock is weird. I've been playing Java since 2014, and that's what I know and love. for me personally, Bedrock looks weird. idk if it's just the lighting or whatnot. I can see why people like Bedrock. Bedrock is better for lower-end pcs while Java is better for videography and RUclips/streaming. There are pros and cons to both. Honestly, idk why Microsoft just chooses to make these games so different in the first place. I understand that WHEN the iphone was about as powerful as a Ti-84, but most phones can handle dang near anything now. I don't see why these versions OF THE SAME GAME are so different. Take from my comment what you will, but that's my take. Thank you for coming to my TED talk!
I'm one of those players who started playing Minecraft on my phone and started playing Minecraft on PC recently. I noticed that even if both devices play Minecraft Bedrock, there are still differences, and I find these differences fun to play with.
A moment of silence for the mother and child foxes 10:00 he brutally killed 😭
With a pickaxe too 😭
I love to play both versions, I think they are both very good
Me too I just hate some toxic Java players for attacking people for playing a version of the game they don't like as much.
Yeah but we (Bedrock) Also have people that attack java (mostly kids). Java youtubers do hate on bedrock more because they are used to playing java and are PC gamers.
Both versions good
@@Tulinisadumbchickena lot of us hate bedrock because of the microtransactions and glitches
The main takeaway is that they are for different users:
Bedrock - Playing with friends specifically, compatible on phones, switches etc slowing down higher end improvements, different code stopping/allowing certain features, Microsoft owned (marketplace) and less customising
Java - For pro players who liked mods, resource packs and shaders for free, more possibilities and aimed for high end devices. Better for server multiplayer
you can get resource packs for free on bedrock as well
@@TheEmeraldCreeper only on mcpedl which only works for mobile & pc, plus there’s a very limited range and a poor quality selection. It’s full of scams and not monitored well and it’s nothing compared to the Java selection. Even MCPEDL isn’t all free tonight
@@NotAgnor I mean, there's also faithful. I don't find myself using much as the classic texture pack is nice. there's also a free RTX pack on the marketplace i'm pretty sure but you need a certain graphics card
@@TheEmeraldCreeper yeah, faithful is good but that’s on Java too & the marketplace one is stolen. Theres way better packs and pbr and stuff on Java, there’s also RTX shaders there & normal shaders with no minimum requirements
@@NotAgnor I don't use the market place faithful, I use faithfulvenom, which isn't stolen but i've used the ones from the faithful sight as well before. The main issue I have with Java is lag, and while not unplayable it is a little annoying
Saying you prefer Bedrock because of the mods is like saying you prefer Skyrim on consoles over PC because of the mods
Personally, I just made a creative superflat world to test several builds.
Now, after several years, there's so much stuff from farms to a self made castle. I poured so much hours into that creative world and it would take way too many hours to recreate it on java.
I love java and could never switch, but the PERFORMANCE of bedrock is insane. I was shocked at how smoothly it ran.
i mean every platform on bedrock they had to make it good somehow lol
@@Austinfdp except switch
@@PotionMaster21 fax
Bedrock is made to support a phone of course it’s gonna be good
I feel like Java edition is Mojangs Minecraft and bedrock is Microsoft’s minecraft
It is
It is because bedrock is mainly on xbox, but it's not too bad. I mean, the mark place is horrible, but that is a completely avoidable thing.
@@Tridentofmemesyou are sooooo wrong, Java has ONLY PC players and is 20%-40% of the community. Mean while bedrock is 60%-80% and most of them are on the phone/ tablets. The rest are devided between all consoles and PCes
@@HDX12- java also has some phone players.
@@HDX12-hah jokes on you! Pojavlauncher gives us not only cracked mc but java edition
I have played on Java up until the second I tried Bedrock and I never went back to Java after that. I have no idea why, but my fairly good and expensive PC handles Bedrock way better, I had a few mods to help out my Java but it never was as smooth as Bedrock. So glad there are dedicated Bedrock RUclipsrs!
How're the mods?
@@Gafferman expensive
The only thing that drags bedrock below Java for me is the micro transactions and how much effort they put into that disgusting marketplace button.
there is no tradeoff with the good performance mods, just that mojang, itty bitty small indie studio that they are, are too lazy to implement these changes from open source mods.
sodium/rubidium make client performance buttery smooth
lithium/canary optimize tons of things and can almost halve server tick times
phosphor/radon massively improve lighting performance and fix tons of lighting bugs
saturn and ferritecore make minecraft, particularly modded, use way less memory
krypton/pluto improve networking
lazyDFU stops the game from setting up all the tools to upgrade a world between versions *every time you play*
and none of these mods change anything whatsoever to how the game works. you could drop these into any world and everything would work the same just run better.
and there are also mods like Alternate Current which make redstone dust more efficient and its update order actually understandable.
and every single mod i just listed is completely open source. there's no excuse that mojang just doesnt know how to do it
and mojang *has* brought on several mod developers to work with them, and they even tried to merge optifine into vanilla at some point and it just didnt happen cause the author is an egomaniac high off his own farts and didnt wanna do it cause mojang didnt want the zoom feature. none of this would happen because the authors of these mods are well-adjusted people, and as opposed to optifine, again, all these mods are open source
Ironically, there actually are some downsides...that no one will ever see. Sodium's current version(0.6) has some minor bugs that you mostly have to go frame by frame to notice, Iris breaks Panorama screenshots(Which while a vanilla feature, actually takes more mods to use anyways, so lol) and Krypton appearently breaks some sort of statistic display in the debug menu.
Official MC Updates straight up break more things on average than these mods do combined, lol.
i dont remember exactly but afaik the way these open source mods are licensed means that if mojang wants to add them to the game they have to make the entire game open source but i might be wrong
I play both Bedrock and Java edition. Bedrock I play because my fiancé only uses console and doesn’t use PC, but have adjusted to it over time due to having worked so hard to get things on our realm.
When I played Java with friends, we had to do a bunch of workarounds and next update it all broke bc of the mods and we couldn’t use the world anymore. Stuff like waystone mods are super nice since a five minute trip to the fortress & my ancient cities in our realm is annoying but it’s worth it to know my world is actually backed up, saved and won’t get corrupted so easily.
Still, even playing bedrock half of the time I’ve gotten so many rude comments from people saying “well there’s your problem” whenever I ask for help in something.
It shouldn’t matter what version people use, unless you’re planning to play co-op with someone tbh
I used to agree with toycat about his vanilla purism, and I preferred the bedrock edition for a while.
Then they added Netherite and his argument about mods breaking the balance ceiling and adding features that surpass diamond gear got completely BTFO'd, and I find it hard to take his opinions that seriously now. And I'm not even the type to use mods like that in the first place.
I love both versions, but modding the game is just too huge a feature for me.
That argument against mods was always kinda broken. I have like 400-ish moving parts in the modpack I am building and after doing some configuration, literally none of them even touch the balance of the game outside of possibly the dynamic light. Toycat makes a lot of good points about Bedrock, but the idea that every mod on Java is pure insanity is just wrong.
For me mods make java infinitely better. And don’t start with the add on things because java mods are in a league of their own.
As someone new to minecraft, playing on ps4, I appreciate that you post good Bedrock content
buy a pc and play java
@@700jefeOr let them play bedrock in peace
Been with you all these years since 2012 and never going anywhere, you’re the goat IBX ♥️
you are correct in that mojang is to lazy to improve performance, mods like sodium and lithium change no behaviour. It's probably legal reasons why they can't add them. Also if you use a different launcher like prism it's then actually a one klick install mods.
I prefer Java combat and modding, having used bedrock for about 4y, console when that was available and Java from last year, although I do occasionally play a disk version of console edition for glide mostly
I love you man because no youtuber big as you, likes bedrock edition
“I play on an inferior version of the game because I’m quirky and different! Please give me attention.”
Him: One click mods!
Curseforge: *vanishes*
Him: Easier multiplayer!
Essential: *vanishes*
Him: Super high render distance!
69 mods improving render distance in some way: *vanishes*
Other than that I still respect your opinion.
yea i have all that
He does make a point though. Doing all 3 of those things takes much more effort and time than doing them on Bedrock. And I’m the type of person who plays mods on Java all the time.
Lmao. Curseforge mods are a pain
@@leffemonette you literally just download one app click 2 buttons and you're done, what are you on about?
@@leffemonette I used it for a year and I had no problems.
I know this is probably untrue, but everytime I boot up Bedrock, it just feels like a lesser version of Java, nothing apparent is wrong with it per se, it just feels different and like, not that good to play with compared to Java, I always end up coming back to Java for this reason, I guess Bedrock for me feels more like I'm playing on a phone with a keyboard and mouse, compared to Java where it feels more cohesive. I understand what I'm saying is propably a huge nitpick, but it just FEELS true to me. btw not even the console edition made me feel this way, XBOX360 minecraft felt just as alright as java, its a bedrock specific issue i have that i cannot point a finger to where they went wrong.
I agree 100%. I think it’s bc bedrock was made for console.
@@ChillDude123 Yeah - You cant even put your game in the background because it will frickin' reboot itself.
Well, what you feel about something isn't untrue. We're humans and feeling is what we do. I wish more Java players in comment sections would aknowledge that their gripe comes down to how it feels different. That's fine but different isn't wrong. It's just different. Bedrock PC players have a similar experience when trying Java.
Well, it is a mobile game that is intentionally cheaper to run on worse hardware without optimizing it for said hardware. Hopefully, a lot of it will resolve itself once they finally drop 32 bit support entirely and the Switch port gets(possibly) replaced with a Switch 2 port.
As a person who moved from bedrock to Java, trying to do anything professionally is such a pain on bedrock, no litematica, no QOL mods, less options. It’s a pain when you want to make anything fancy anywhere or tune it for you, it’s a pain. Less mod capability on bedrock, no building plugins, worse commands. Anything to do on bedrock that requires building anything in creative or a map, bedrock is my last choice. With terrible commands, slower building, and more bugs you need to iron through it’s just a pain. Though I do give server hosting to bedrock, it’s 6x more efficient to host on the newest version. However for said servers your anticheat needs to be leagues better (and most aren’t) compared to Java. On bedrock you can straight up give yourself items and teleport around the world. But on a survival side, bedrock is ok. It’s bearable but anything to do with farms on bedrock is just terrible, it’s slower, bigger, and less efficient, poor redstone, poor rates. I personally don’t like the PVP on bedrock too much either, they have half of the Java PVP features with their spam clicking PVP, with shield disabling (and shields by themselves on bedrock) it isn’t really as balanced as it is on Java. If there are any other bedrock players I’d be happy to see your side on my points.
I hope I don't sound too toxic but as a bedrock player myself I think you're making things sound worse then they actually are. For example in your comment you talk a lot about modding but as a casual player (most Bedrock players are) I don't really care about mods and am happy with the ones we have, I have texture packs, great behaviour packs and much more which makes everything you said was bad much better, Mojang is already working on modding capabilities for Bedrock and soon we might have even better mods and (maybe) rival Java, also I've built many farms in my life and none of them have been too big or slow. Going on to your take on commands, I am kind of mad about how bad the Commands are on Bedrock but I don't think they're 'terrible', We can do (almost) everything that Java can Do but it might take a few more steps. Also let's remember that Java PVP used to be like Bedrocks and that many people in the Java community like the old style and may even move over to Bedrock for it. I have played on Bedrock for ages and have never found a problem with the PVP and think that there is no real Spam-Click aspect since just spamming will let the opponent get an opening on you. I have played Bedrock sincere I was a child and find most of the things you said are very minor issues to me but I guess people who have Laptops and PCs are used to having stronger more powerful systems and better games and aren't used to the more optimised, more open versions. hope I didn't seem to mean in that and if I did, sorry lol.
Did NOT mean to write a full 3 paragraphs lol
What you're really saying is that you don't like Minecraft when you complain about mods not existing. Just stop playing if you don't like the game. Stop forcing yourself to do things you hate.
This is true of all games. If you can't play it vanilla then you simply do not like it and should waste your time or money on it. Find something you enjoy to start with.
@@RunicSigils if I find an issue with something, you’d assume I could fix it myself no? All I need is some tiny tweaks. This point isn’t very fair either; Bedrock has mods itself, it’s an intended thing. I don’t really understand why Bedrock players flex that it’s the vanilla version, the mods I’ve pointed out are mods for a reason. Mojang isn’t going to add a schematic feature because it doesn’t fit in their eyes.
@@Zer0_2199 good response, I suppose the two versions are for two different types of players. One is for casual players who don’t really care that they lose minor things for some optimizations and playing with friends. The other is for technical players.
The beauty of Minecraft is that it's a game that anyone can simply pick up and play, no matter which platform of device they're used to.
While there are differences they're not so massive that you can't play the game normally
Some call it a game, but in fact it's a platform with the amount of mods, plugins and other things. However all that is only for java edition, lmao
The Bedrock marketplace's existence tells me Mojang recognizes this and is trying to bring some of that content ecosystem over, but the current implementation just, isn't it.@@user-h7W178TsRk
I know this is extremely late, but the whole idea of "mods will fix it" is kind of stupid because that means it shouldn't be a problem in the first place, and it not getting fixed lead to fans fixing it themselves, and the fix isn't even accessible to everyone anyways
Don't get me wrong, I'm a Java guy all the way through, partly due to mods, and mostly due to it being the most familiar. I am planning on giving Bedrock a shot in the near future because some of the differences in gameplay have caught my interest.
I use bedrock for multiplayer and rarely use java for singleplayer.
Bedrocks combat system is so much better for multiplayer
As someone who plays on my iPad 9 with controller, I feel happy you have made a video comparing the two, telling your prefrence without ranting against the other version.
bedrock edition is the only version I've played, but java edition is great too, I'm sure. ( if I ever do try java edition, I'd absolutely NEED to use a controller, because i seriously do better with controllers, and all of the experience I have at minecraft is with a controller, so I'd probably have to learn the game all over again, at least as far as control inputs. ) also java has sad
Java with controller is great except there is no native controller support, you would have to use mods but other than that it works great and any controller works!
If you ever do try out java, remember to also try the Controllable mod! It's pretty much what the name implies, which is full controller support. Just be careful how/when you download mods, viruses are everywhere. The best place to download mods is usually curseforge.
You can use steam or probably other mods to enable controller on Java
I use a mod called MidnightControls and it supports both dualshock and xinput controllers, it's amazing. Super customizable too. You should definitely install it if you get Java edition.
A keyboard and mouse is way better for Minecraft, inventory management is clunky with a controller, same with crafting, and looking or aiming at a specific point is near impossible with a controller.
I grew up playing Bedrock Edition. Bedrock Edition is misunderstood, there are just goofy people calling it "bUG-rOCk". Sure, the wither is tougher in Bedrock, but not everyone goes for it. I thought I never found someone who ACTUALLY likes Bedrock Edition other than me. Mad respect, man.
Finding people who actually like Bedrock is rare on the internet, I love Bedrock a lot so I'm included.
Lagva
This is called nostalgia blind if that's the case.
I was trying to play bedrock because I can play across all my devices. The problem I found is that automated farms did not work for me. The simulation distance was awful to the point that mobs would de-spawn from just a few blocks away. I would see this mob I wanted to tame, go back to my house like 30 blocks away and when I came back it would not be there.
Java runs great for me, i use Fabric, Iris and Sodium. Also, the shaders!!! Amazing shaders with great performance. I had to stop playing bedrock and go back to Java.
6:00 I believe Mojang actually tried to purchase Optifine once but they disagreed on a few things so It didin't go through. So basically Mojang is indeed very lazy!
What does that have to do with being lazy?
@@citricmantis_543 Well I was disproving Toycats theory that Optifine is not good by saiyng that even Mojang itself knows it is and is interested in improving the game but won't do it themselfs
@@JmKrokY they should add sodium, lithium and starligth instead instead they are miles better than optifine for performance
@@JmKrokY
it was optifine's creator who denied it, not mojang
@@exist_E I know?
I have always wanted to move to Java but I can never get the game to run well, even with performance mods. I've never had that issue with bedrock and that's made me stick with it even with all of its problems. Plus, I'm also just used to playing with a controller on a big screen due to legacy console edition
I recently tried the bedrock version because I wanted to play with my siblings but I frustrated with some of the weirdness of that version. Imma stick with my mods on Java
yea bedrock just feels weird compared to java
The version you don't play will always feel weird. And also you can mod on bedrock and you don't even have to use the marketplace to do it
It feels weird because you don’t play it regularly.
I agree with this like for an example I tried picking bedrock back up when they made it free if you had the opposite version and the kb just felt off I usually play on hypixel btw the armor was super strong compared to Java so actually killing players was painful and everything just looks off not as big of an issue to the other ones but still
minecraft bedrock:
-click the cube and play
-one click mod downloads
-rtx
minecraft java:
-startup the launcher
-span that broken name selector button for 15 minutes straight so it
-the game crashes half the time
-mods are painful to install
-horrible fps on good pc
-dont even think about multiplayer
nah you just have a dollar tree pc
Bruh 0:07 java is the better version
Bedrock is not better than java
Even though it has cool features doesn't mean it's the best
Its way worse than java
I've played it . Not bad but not better than java
I'm fine with both versions, but I mostly play java because of the sheer number of free mods and the better combat system (different weapon cooldowns and damages as opposed to spam-clicking a sword). But I still like Bedrock since it has significantly better performance and a nice character customizer.
I usually play Java, mostly due to the familiarity, variety of servers, and the precision of a mouse. However, one thing I have to admit is that performance is pretty bad without mods. I don’t mind mods in of themselves, but having to get a new set of them for every major update just to get decent performance really is a chore.
Ik this is late but you could just get a client like lunar or badlion.
different strokes for different folks, i grew up playing minecraft java since beta and a couple years ago switched to bedrock, played that with some friends on and off for like half a year but ultimately came back to java again, i cant describe why i just much prefer it. maybe because of the redstone mechanics are different? or the fact you can block with a shield without crouching, little stuff like that help make the game better imo
I’ve always played Bedrock (don’t have a PC) but when I did play Java, I noticed everything was so much smoother and everything felt so much sharper and more precise. I played both the Bedrock Edition and Java Edition on PC at 240fps capped, and yet Java still felt much more enjoyable in terms of how smooth it was. This was on a friend’s PC, which has an i5 12400f, RTX 3060 combination. Did have optifine on Java btw, and Shaders too. Looked and felt amazing.
I hope someday we’ll get Ray Tracing on Next-Gen. The consoles can definitely handle it, but for some reason Mojang or Microsoft don’t want to add it in.
@@V1Salvo they probably can’t hit 60fps and don’t want to risk hurting bedrocks reputation of running way better than Minecraft, having a further render distance for less frames and all that. I use optifine too and average something like 300fps at 1440p ultrawide, yes I know it’s overkill for Minecraft I play other games too 😂 tbh they are both fun I like how they can monetize one version of the game to keep another version totally free and have updates over 10 years after release
@@titans2720 I mean, I think they can. I have a $300 Series S and, before it was patched, I put an addon that would allow you to run Minecraft at 120fps (normally runs at 60). It ran perfectly, no frame drops, and at max render distance too (28 chunks on Xbox). So for sure it would be able to run at the very least at 1080p 60fps with Ray Tracing. As for the Series X and PS5, they are even more powerful. I mean, even the Xbox One & PS4 were supposed to have the Super Duper Graphics Pack which ended up being cancelled. Those are last-gen consoles. So yeah, they are 100% more than capable enough. These consoles are sold at a loss, made up for in Xbox Live Gold & PS+ membership monthly revenue, so they are much more powerful than you may think. A $300 Series S is equivalent to a PC worth $750-$850 at least.
The Ray Tracing was also demoed multiple times in 2020 on the Series X, where it ran flawlessly, before then being cancelled after the release of the next-gen systems. Right now I’m basically playing Minecraft on Next-Gen but on the Last-Gen version, which sucks. It’s not even Next-Gen Optimised.
Banner Maps for Bedrock
Controller support for Java
Whichever version gets the missing element first wins.
I am a mod junkie so the idea of using mods such as Create made me switch to Java right away after i had an opportunity to try it out but i do have respect for players that are enjoying the game as is. I have conditioned myself to the idea that my modpack is the most superior way to play the game which holds me back most of the time and ties me to older versions of the game. Updating a hurdle of 100+ mods that is my modpack is quite a task as you can imagine, so i have to wait a millennia until most of the mods are ported to newer versions of the game and furthermore until i am not lazy enough to update it. And yes, the performance is comparable to the health condition of a dying disabled elderly drug addict that is going through a withdrawal and an overdose at the same time. My game is on life support at this point although i have cleaned up a bunch of mods recently. The poor performance was the initial reason i chose to opt for bedrock instead, but after they had merged both versions and i received Java for free, it wasn't as bad as i thought it would be. Well, at least until i have discovered mods. Despite all of this, the Create mod along with others bring thousands of possibilities in the game so i don't think i am missing out on much. The only reasons i strive to update to 1.19.3/1.20 are the inventory tweaks they have implemented. Not much but making Java's absolutely horrible creative inventory a little bit tolerable is a price to pay even if it means i will have to abandon some of the mods and spend ages sorting them.
Btw, what a villainous act you have committed here at 10:10
I started on Bedrock with my Windows 10 PC. I had friends who were playing on Java so I purchased that version a few years ago. Been playing Java since but one thing I like is that I can download different versions of the Java edition. I downloaded 1.0 and laughed at how many recipes were different. Took me the longest to craft a book, to the point where I raided a stronghold for bookshelves. Slaughtered all those cows for nothing.
i like that you can play different updates on the java edition too! i actually started a new world recently on the java edition just for the sake of playing the 1.8 update
@@TheFlyfly you can on bedrock too but need a third party software. it sucks that the launcher don't have it... But if you own bedrock, couldn't you get java for free before?
I mean I love both versions… but the bugs on bedrock… idk..
(Not trying to start an argument here alright… so shush)
1) you can… I guess easily pick back up the water from inside and outside… but I can’t… I know, weird… thing is I’m not sure if it’s a console thing or what but I climb back up something… try picking up the water from the insi- *no….*
*just no…*
The game won’t let me… dunno why just won’t..
2) I fly with Elytra… and uh…
I take random amount of damage while flying…
*and I’m not running into things…*
I also was about to run into something… dodged it within like 11 blocks or so…
*damage….*
*the game is sorta buggy*
And lastly, 3) I try to fly with the trident and I do that I take damage in the air… *and I haven’t landed yet…*
I’m mid air then boom…
*damage*
I don’t get what the problem is but it’s just idk it’s something that happens god knows why…
That’s all I have to say and also… NO! I am NOT trying to start an argument in the comments…
I like both games very much and I honestly think there great… just the bugs and stuff…
It's weird that most people would start a argument because they like a different version or not I mean it's literally just Minecraft in your opinion is good but I play on ps4 console edition lol 😂
@@austindavis3797 ye ik lmao I do too so
@@kryptixGD that cool
Bedrock has so many bugs and performance issues, and it doesn’t have as much customization as Java. Also let’s not forget about microtransactions.
Aside from combat, Java is infinitely better, saying otherwise is wrong
You forgot multiplayer, if I want to just play a world with my friends bedrock is so much more convenient, and I say that as someone who prefers Java and really into mods.
@@thetabbyguy921 there is the essentials mod which pretty much brings the ease of multiplayer with friends to java.
@@deathrobloxian as much as I like mods having it in vanilla is more convenient.
@@thetabbyguy921 k.
@@thetabbyguy921 Alright that’s a fair point
5:55 the reason they "cant" do that is
A. they cant use modded code directly, any optimisations have to be found and implemented by the mojang team.
B. if they spent effort making java perform better, it would make bedrock look worse.
Also, on top of having the advantage of being able to take advantage of multiple CPU cores, bedrock makes a bunch of compromises of its own (consistent redstone/hopper interactions being one of them) in order to achieve its better performance
I want bedrock to be able to supercede java edition, but it wont. Microsoft wont put effort into the UX, they wont put effort into making the Marketplace better, they wont put effort into the small details that add up to make bedrock seem half-baked because none of that directly contributes to increasing the playerbase or increasing how much money that playerbase is putting into the game. The only reason Java Edition has survived so long is because Microsoft know mow much of an uproar it would cause if they discontinued it in favor of bedrock
As a bedrock player that started playing Minecraft on xbox360 , and mobile, i need to agree i like playing bedrock becuse of the nostalgic moments that i required whit my friends and family, but as a Minecraft play i can say that java is just better, i played the java version for the last 4 months becuse i wanted to give it a try and iven if i love playing bedrock at the point that i have over 1200 h on my new xbox account maid it like a year ago + the others versions, java is just better then bedrock, and because i can t say this whitout an argument, here is one :
- Java edition is just smother then bedrock, i like how the animations are, and the fact that there is no laggy sensation it just better, despite the fact that i like finding buggs, at the point that i would find new bugs on bedrock almoste daily, but on java i beryl could find one, in 4 months i think i found around 4 bugs
I play both versions but honestly I'd never play bedrock if my friends didn't play that version. I just find Java more enjoyable.
Being able to put anything in the off hand, hardcore mode, the easier farms and more compact redstone, everything about boats, the combat system, F3, subtitles, and I'm sure I'm missing many more.
I like some things about bedrock but I also really hate some things.
Obviously big salmon is a huge plus for bedrock though
F3 for sure
You can do all that stuff on bedrock with mods tho just fyi
@@hkgehts9061 I can make endermen stay in boats with mods? And make right click use the shield instead of having to crouch?
Genuinely didn't know that.
Also I didn't know there was a mod to make iron farms work with three villagers and to introduce quasi-connectivity exist in bedrock. This is all actually mind-blowing.
@@jakewantstoplay1897 yes... The Java parity add-ons 💀 I always play with it. It also includes spectral arrows and building on top of the nether
@@hkgehts9061 do you do this because your friends play on bedrock or just because you prefer bedrock?
(Because obviously it works the other way too. So for example I can move cheats by installing free mods on java whereas I can't do that on my Playstation Bedrock game)
Fun fact:if you see someone says it gonna be worse then don't listen to them just play and enjoy 😉
Nice grammar
"Java has a ton of issues" he says, playing on the infamously buggy Bedrock
As a Java supremacist I will say Java probably has a ton of issues idk what these are but our lord and savior Java edition isn’t perfect I mean without optifine and other mods the game has a stroke and dies
He did not mean bugs by issues.
@@citricmantis_543 I know
@@slyar oh, sorry
@@Mr_Meme_Guy659 Yeah very true but i gotta hand it to bedrock they have the better combat system
I play Bedrock for many reasons, one of which is that it probably doesn't take that much space. Another is that I can use a controller, which was the first way I played Minecraft, which was on the Console Edition.
Honestly, what is the reason why people argue about Bedrock and Java and why people get so mad about 2 different game versions? They aren't so different. Java isn't the best, it isn't absolute perfection. I have barely experienced any bugs from Bedrock, not all mods, maps and texture packs are locked away inside the marketplace, you can find talented modders, incredibly detailed mods and texture packs in Bedrock that have the potential to rival Java's.
So what is the fuss about? Is it arguing for arguements sake or is there some greater reason?
most controversial cat ever
As someone who has recently gotten back into minecraft after over 5 years on console, your content has actually been pretty helpful for me because of this. Too many times I've seen a video only to find out it applied only to java.
7:30 wait a minute, didnt mojang added underwater minecarts to java in 1.17?
As Java player, Bedrock edition just feels wrong to play. I have tried and tired and tried, but I just can't get over how weird it feels in comparison to Java.
Finally, someone that experience the same as me.
As someone who plays minecraft Java Edition alot I have played the bedrock edition with keyboard and mouse, mobile controls and controller and as much as I enjoyed them the only reason why I like java edition is because of thr fond memories I have with it.
This is hardly controversial...
9:26 yeah, no lol. Not at all. I like bedrock and it's the version I play but my biggest problem with it is that the only versions that really have effort put in are the mobile and desktop versions. On the other hand, the console versions, especially Nintendo Switch, are much buggier and never seem to get any changes that improve their performance. It's playable on nearly any device out there but that doesn't mean that it runs well.
I also agree with you, I like bedrocks quirkiness. but I have now started plying alot more Java edition and getting my friends to aswell because I find I can create a more tailored experience
What Java has that bedrock doesn’t is a marketplace. This is one aspect that is often overlooked by players that want to choose a version. With Java, mods are free and created by the community as well as resource packs and plugins. Java has the many freedoms bedrock doesn’t. While bedrock is great for its accessibility to pretty much all platforms, I would always choose Java over bedrock due to its impeccable versatility. You choose how you play!
I think the Marketplace is not a good argument. First nobody forces you to use to marketplace or to buy something.
Second there is a lot of free stuff to find at the Marketplace. And third. I compare the Marketplace with any kind of ingame shop that we have today. Games like Skyrim, or Fallout 4. Or assassins creed or any other game. Yo buy credits with real money, and with those credits you can purchase a mod in the shop or something.
But is dont care. I pay for good mods or addons. You know its save to download or install. Its not malicious or something. and you support the devs.
@@robertm3205That’s not true. If you play on Bedrock, you MUST use the marketplace if you want mods.
Your argument for the marketplace being good because some stuff is free is a moot point because ALL Java mods are free
@@Snaxolotl71 Well if someone wants to pay for mods let him pay. If someone want only free mods play Java. Its just as simple as that.
For most of my life I've played Bedrock edition, but within the past 2 years I switched to Java edition. I love Java edition so much more to be honest, and the points you bring up are great. However, I have on simple problem with Java, and that is the performance. Mods like Optifine are becoming more and more necessary to even play it. This was a big problem back during 1.18 and 1.19, but now that 1.21 is out and I have a different PC I've started having problems with it. Its not that my PC sucks, since I can play other games that require much more resources to run just fine. This is a minecraft specific issue, and there are very few fixes other than mods. The fixes that do exist are also specific to what kind of PC you use and other factors.
I play Java, and I agree with everything you said in this video. Bedrock is were we started for some of us (like me) and Bedrock still needs some people like you to keep it alive. Both are great versions and all of you are welcome to have your own opinions. If you feel like Java isn’t for you, that’s fine! I from the Java community still likes the Bedrock community as much as you guys do. If you ever change your mind, the Java community welcomes you!
This is the comment I was looking for. As a Minecraft player, I like both.
I like bedrock but my biggest problem is not having shaders and actual good mods lol
I originally played on my Xbox 360, transitioned to p.e. On my phone and now I play p.e. With my Xbox controller. I love playing with controller I hope to try Java with controller support, but I need to work a few kinks before that’s possible. This video was really quite refreshing and made me realise that liking my controller support is okay
2:34 What you mark as bad, is called a REAL Combat System.
I never heared people complaining in other Games, when spamming doesn't help them.
Ok then, stop playing Hypixel. That’s the kind of combat it uses.
It's not necessarily bad but it's inconsistent. Bedrock makes it more simple to just play through while java makes it slightly more complex to avoid that like crits. From his perspective he thought he only needs to stay back and attack til each mob dies rather then go near and click occasionally on each one. Also probably doesn't make it easier with fov difference.
9:38 dislike for that >:(
Leave them foxes alone, poor creatures
I am a Java player. Always have been, always will be.... I've played Bedrock before on console and pc but I'm just a Java player... just how it goes.
But I love watching Toy Cat and his adventures on Bedrock. Also, I really like being knowledgeable about both versions because of Toy Cat.
Whatever version makes you happy is great.... We just like Minecraft.
We all know the real reason you play bedrock is for the big salmon
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THIS WAS DESPERATELY NEEDED! Thank you so much for representing us!
as a Java player, this guy has my full respect.
Java 🤝 Bedrock
I wouldnt mind playing bedrock more if modpacks and stuff were actually being full scale developed for bedrock. The only thing they have is marketplace stuff which turns everyone away from it
Yeah…I’ve noticed that a lot of PC players (myself included) don’t really like the idea of paying for mods. Or at least of being forced to pay for mods.
For me, part of it is philosophy. You should be modding a game because you love it, not to make a quick buck. Forcing people to pay for mods incentivizes low-quality mods designed to make money, rather than the high-quality mods people make on Java because they love the game. That said, there are a couple of Marketplace items that have been tempting me.