I'm Losing Interest In Modern Games
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- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024
- My taste in modern games is changing rapidly. I'm only sticking to certain genres and moving further away from ones I used to love. In this video I discuss what types of games I'm still liking, not liking, and measures I'm taking going forward as I pivot even more back into retro games. #SMTVV #retrogames #gamepass
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Can't wait for SMT V Vengeance!
Yeah me its sp boring. I rather waste my money on dog crap
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Eiyuden Chronicle - 100 heroes.
Shin Megami - 200 demons. "Looking forward to as well." free steelbook too.
many of us in our 30s / 40s feel this exact way pete. ive been collecting ps2 /ps1 RPGs and thats all i play now
I made this video right before Astro Bot was announced during State of Play. Can't wait for it, that game looks amazing and EXACTLY what I want from a 3D platformer!
If Astro's Playroom is any indicator, it's possible that Astro Bot might become my favorite PS5 exclusive.
Yes mate it looks amazeballs! Thank God for them.
Feel like the genuine passion you could feel coming from the creators in older games just isn’t present anymore. It feels corporate and sterile.
Unfortunately this just sums up everything nowadays.. Rushed/Lazy/Profit focused
Yeah dude so true. I think it comes down to having smaller teams. If everyone almost knows everyone working on the game then I think there is a sense of comradery that comes through in the final product. I have been replaying some of the old idSoftware and raven games on my 90's PC recently. Often I can tell exactly who designed what level. Be it Romero, American McGee or Sandy Peterson. Their personas come through in the design. It is wild.
Because the industry IS corporate and sterile now. It's a money machine, pure and simple. The passion of developers has been exploited by suits to make their mtx machines.
True true
Indeed, soulless even. 🎯
I'm a 61 year old gamer since "Pong", when it was the only game in town.
I have reached the same apex with contemporary games.
I remember the all-nighters in the 80's of my C-64 games like "Silent Service", "Airborne Rangers" & numerous other extremely immersive yet simplistic graphics & life was good.
Today many are jaded & indifferent with so much to experience, which is tragic to realize now.
Silent Service II was amazing 🤩
Chuckle Egg.
Defender of the crown
Paradroid
The best times for gaming were Arcade, Commodore 64, Amiga etc. up to year 2000.
Commodore 64 and Amiga have a huge amount of legendary game music by top of the shelve composers, where people are still remaking the music in 2024. They don't make much music like this anymore at the same caliber.
AAA means you get a technically impressive game that's full of stats, upgrades, mindless busy work, useless collectables. All they're missing is purpose, fun and interesting gameplay.
thats why I'm looking forward to Riven releasing in a few weeks
Facts 💯
I just finished Hotel Dusk on the DS and it was such a good game. Playing older games really does remind you that its not nostalgia. New games feel soulless.
That’s what I’ve been trying to explain to myself and others- it’s not just nostalgia. Especially playing on original hardware and a CRT. The reason why emulated games feel worse is because they just don’t look and feel right- of course they can still be enjoyed immensely but there are a lot of twitch based shooters or run and guns or platformers which will never feel as they were supposed to without a CRT. I realized this when I’ve tried games not from my childhood on emulated collections and they just don’t click. But throw it into a Sega genesis on a CRT and that “one more try” arcade mentality makes sense again. It’s all about the input lag
Yeah , plus u don't have to play the game online it's optional. Also when they charge us for games that are ones we pay $40-70 dollars for them we have cto pay more for things in the game . Which is lame !!! We should not have to pay more money for a suit in a game or something like that!!!
A Hotel Dusk fan, you have good taste. If you enjoyed Hotel Dusk, and want to know more about Kyle Hyde, you have to play Last Window The Secret of Cape West. Unfortunately it was only released physically in the UK, and physical copies are quite expensive.
@@MTG69 Yeah I've been looking into it. I bought another code on switch because those were also originally cing games. I'll probably get the last window at some point.
There's a sequel, "Last Window: The Secret of Cape West". Kyle Hyde is my spirit animal.
Every action game is like Souls. Every open world RPG is like Skyrim. Lots of modern games have an hour long tutorial which drains me and when I revisit the game a week or two later I forgot what I learned and don’t want to start over or continue at all.
This is me lol. I’ll start a game get into it then get burnt out of the repetitiveness then stop playing for a month then try to come back and I’m just not interested in figuring out everything again. And then I just stop all together. I can’t even think of a game I finished to the end since the 360/PS3 days.
Last 10 years has seen a consistently slow decline in my interest in modern gaming, especially AAA. And GAAS titles I won't even look at.
41 years old, been playing since Atari and NES in the mid 80s. I totally agree with your sentiments on the current gaming landscape. It feels like companies now aren’t interested in making new and compelling games but making games that our perpetual games that consistently expand overtime like Fortnite or MMO’s or Minecraft or Valant. These games don’t require consistent creativity and continuity.
I also hate that everything is online so companies feel OK shipping out buggy broken games with flashy advertisements to entice you to buy them with the idea that they’ll just fix things later (I’m looking at you Anthem, starfield, and No Man’s Sky).
I cancelled my game pass subscription like 4 months ago and not for the same reason that you did. On the flip side, I honestly don't mind games with a lot of side quest bloat. In today's gaming landscape I actually enjoy buying a game (which costs roughly $100 CDN) and spending a month or so with it. I quit Game Pass because there were a bunch of games I wanted to play, but by the time I completed a game the next one I'd want to play was being removed from the service. I don't like having to game on a publisher or corporation's time, I like gaming on my time. I have multiple gaming platforms and simply found it cheaper to buy the games I want outright without having the feeling that I was in a time crunch to complete games. The thing that actually lead me to this is when the service had four Persona games on it at one time. They're 80+ hours and trying to play them all before they left the service lead to major burn out. Instead I bought Persona 3 & 4 for $40 CDN in a Steam Bundle and picked up Royal for like another $30. Now I can enjoy them when I'm ready to and I'm able to play other games I want to in between.
I started gaming with the Genesis, but for whatever reason, the 360/PS3 era is the perfect sweet spot for me when it comes to playing games. They're dirt cheap, hardware still works well and is easy to find parts for if needed, and I think in terms of graphical fidelity it does exactly *just enough* to where it doesn't feel like you have to forgive it so to speak for being on older hardware. I'll forever think that graphics/art style peaked with Halo 3, there's very few games I truly think look better than it. Gameplay wise, I think this generation of games had such a good mix - Dragon Age: Origins and Mass Effect, Call of Duty felt fantastic, the Tales series, Forza felt fantastic, games like Crackdown and GTA 4, Dead Space and BioShock - they all laid the foundation for these modern experiences that still stand the test of time.
I feel almost the same, I been finding more entertainment and innovation in old emulated games in my PC than in consoles
So many great Retro games I’ve yet to play. Happy to play games from 1985 - 2005 on my CRT. I’ll be okay without all the battle passes, patches, dlc, in game stores, etc.
My taste over the last +5 yrs. has changed. I realized what I love and what I don’t enjoy. I am having way more fun with my games now.
I just beat Max Payne 1 on PC for the very first time yesterday and had a great time. I can definitely relate to having a lot of fun taking time away from modern triple A to replay old games or play old games for the first time. Its also just made me love Remedy as studio even more, and I continue to gain appreciation for Legacy devs and auters like Sam Lake, Hideo Kojima, Yoko Taro and others for keeping triple A fresh while companies like Microsofy Ubisoft and Activision are hell bent on bringing down the house.
Give twisted metal black a try. Great stories and very fun game play
Post pandemic for whatever reason it's been all downhill
it has been bad for a decade actually.
I think this has had a huge impact in accelerating negative trends. Basically pandemic caused a huge boom in investment and chasing the almighty dollar but it was unsustainable- so now all these live service games are coming out but people have moved on. I feel like there is a lot less color now that Nintendo is secretive working on next gen software- so we have Sony and MS doing their best to drip feed underwhelming AAA titles. Baldurs Gate, Elden Ring - those games are huge open world games that absolutely blew me away and I appreciate how far gaming has come. But beyond that, it feels like something is lost.
@@Ralphunreal Nah PS4 generation had some absolute bangers
@@graysonguice5956 depends on how high we set the bar, but seriously, the corporate milking and watering down of games has been going on since early 2010s, like AC, CoD, GTA 5, with some exceptions
Its been downhill since like 2007 tbh.
Same here, I’ve lost interest in modern AAA games for a few years, From software games are the only exception, I will still play their games.
still like From Software, Nintendo, Atlas, and CD Projekt Red for the most part, but a lot of companies I will no longer give a chance to like EA, Rockstar, Take Two, Ubisoft, until they prove they can still make a good game that is not a scam.
@@hepwo91222 same here
@@hepwo91222 Red Dead 2 was absolutely a great game from Rockstar. Assassins Creed Origins was also a fantastic game from Ubisoft. These studios can still make good games, they’re just not all great games, but that’s how it’s always been.
@@ryancbuchanan maybe I am burnt out by big open world games, but I found both boring and unoriginal. When there is Witcher 3, BOTW, Elden RIng, Cyberpunk 2077, etc. RDR2 and AC Origins, kinda meh.
It is very refreshing and reassuring to hear someone like Pete share exactly the same views I have about the status of the industry. I gravitate towards retro more and more.
There're old games out there which are truly gamer's games, hidden for now but just waiting to be uncovered if you do emulator deep dives. Suikoden II, Tactics Ogre, Chrono Trigger, there are gigabytes worth of content if people look. No game passes, subscription services, greedy DLC or censorship.
I've recently discovered pokemon romhack cartridges. I played thousands of hours of the classic Pokemon games growing up, and I can get the same vibe but with a whole new experience made by passionate players of the franchise. It's been so fun playing these and revisiting the era of my childhood in a fresh way
Modern gaming wise I only own a Switch, so this drought Nintendo's in before the new console has been absolutely perfect for retro gaming! I recently bought a PS3 on ebay having played hardly any classic PS2/3 games and have been having a blast. I tried out Jak and Daxter and have been working on the Sly Trilogy HD and the Ratchet and Clank HD collection. I love how simple the games are when you don't have to worry about online connectivity, constant tutorials, and DLC. Just good, clean platforming goodness.
Tried Game pass for 3 months for like a dollar when it first started. Never went back to it again. I figured in the long run I'm better off buying the games I like physically when they are cheap. Occasionally I'll even buy the same game digitally at rock bottom prices. That way I OWN the game outright both physically and digitally. I don't play online live service games at all because if a game shuts down because no one plays it, or if it needs an online connection, your investment amounts to a useless coaster. Babylon Falls and Redfall (in the future) come to mind. I'm going back to my PS2 and Gamecube collections more and more.
I have GP for about $8 a month for 9 months. Only have to play a couple games before I save money. I play a game first there, and buy physical later if I will want to replay it. This has only been the case once with The Ascent. Otherwise, it’s all throw away quality.
I'm moving further and further away from modern games also. Been playing a lot of PS2/PS3 lately. It just feels like back in those years (and even older), games were made by gamers. Now it doesn't feel like that.
People talk about nostalgia, but it's not even that. I never played Ratchet or Sly back in the day, or Resident Evil 4 or Onimusha, but playing them now, they feel so refreshing, simple, and honestly just way more fun to play.
In fact, this weekend me and a friend played Mario Kart Double Dash on game cube for 3 hours and we were having a blast.
Exactly, it’s not nostalgia it’s just the simplicity of most games from like 15-20 years being way more fun.
You're not the only one, Pete. I'm 24 and I've been struggling to stay optimistic for new games and the modern gaming industry for a few years now. I still play older / retro games on things like the PS1, PS2, PS3, OG Xbox, Xbox360, N64, GameCube and so on and lately I've found myself sticking to them even more so than usual because as of right now, gaming feels like a mess, especially in the Western industry. There are still games that come out that I enjoy every now and then but they feel so few and far between these days. I've been playing Castlevania: Rondo of Blood for the first time and I'm having a great time, it's so simple yet so fun and satisfying, especially overcoming the brutal challenge! Games and the modern gaming industry feel so soulless and empty right now, it feels like the passion just isn't there anymore, especially in the Western industry. I find the Japanese and now South Korean games industry still seem to care about making great games at least which is comforting.
Very cool upgrade and can't wait to see what new videos come along. Some "Sleeping with Pete" videos done at this level would be really cool to see
Same here, I only really play retro games now, I don’t even own a current gen system because i don’t care for them
I haven't left the PS2. I have such a huge backlog that I haven't even played modern games or have a gaming subscription.
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Same. I'm thinking about sell my Ps5 and Series X,and go back to older games.
I feel like modern games are better than ever, though I do ignore the overwhelming majority of games from Blizzard, Microsoft, EA, Ubisoft and Activision. Haha.
@@GregoryAlanBaileygamereviews I was about to say the same thing. There are so many great games now....they just aren't the big AAA games.
Doesn’t make sense to sell off the Xbox, when it has such a deep BC built in already. It’s pretty much 4 Xbox’s in 1.
Series x plays some Xbox ,360 and all Xbox one games . Why selll that ?
@@Bobbybill59 to play the older games physically would be my guess
The only reason I’m not burned out on modern games is that I seem to play slower than a lot of people. I think I’ve only played 7 new games this year and mostly enjoyed them, with the retro backlog making a good supplement.
I've reached weird point in my own gaming. I am 40 years old and my friends and I decided to group up for a weekend, order some pizzas and play old 64 games like GoldenEye and Mario party and all the stuff we used to do in high school. We even set up some Xboxes and had a little halo LAN action
And it was fun for what it was. But all of us left feeling like it was going to be a return to form and better... But it wasn't. It actually shown a light on how much more fun games are nowadays.
Which leaves me feeling disappointed because we hyped up that weekend for like a month straight before we could all find time in our schedules to get together. And now we're back to doing our weekly online raids in Destiny 2 and messing around in Elden Ring.
I too miss the days of beating symphony of the night over the course of a weekend and it's just so hard to recapture that feeling for me these days, but I still do enjoy playing games.
Sorry for the long rambling post. I'm just curious if anyone has ever had similar feelings because I can definitely relate to what petes saying in a way too, I just feel gaming's in a weird spot.
Hey buddy great video and amazing channel, I’m also a content creator here on RUclips, I love ff7 and I felt the exact same way I did 80 percent of the quests and got burnt out and ended up beating the game and I don’t wanna go back. These new games put way too much filler and overwhelm you with things that’s are really unnecessary. This is why lately I’ve been going back to the older games and the older generation consoles to play the old games that I grew up with. I’m an older gamer I’m in my 40s now so I understand exactly what you’re saying and honestly it feels like gaming is coming to a huge crash and I just don’t have time for filler AAA games any more. I’ve got kids as well so it makes even harder to play these AAA titles .
I'd like to say something that will inadvertently hit some people in the heart. But it needs to be said. My late father used to say back around the time the PS2 came out that he enjoyed games to a pretty good degree, but it all became too flashy and busy for him. My late older uncle in fact said the exact same thing. It was, quite literally, too much for him. Right now, 20+ years later, we're slowly starting to say the same things.
There's an elephant in the room here that we tend to refuse even exists. We never like to address it and rather blame companies for not being ''able to make games anymore'' or they're not having the passion anymore, or perhaps its ''woke'' culture, capitalism, business practices or social media that ruins ''modern gaming''. But the elephant in the room here is that we too grow older, and we're not 5, 10 or 15 anymore. We're just not into all the new stuff that aligns with our (now older) values. Just like my father wasn't into them anymore 20+ years ago. Our tastes are reminiscent of those times. Back when we thought everything was fine. But even those times had many issues within gaming. We just never noticed them. Not everything needs to appeal to us. It didn't back then either, so why should we now muster up interest?
Maybe a bunch of us are simply looking for excuses to refuse and accept the ever-changing world around us. However, it's alright to pivot back into the things we liked when we were younger. Let the world be for a second and focus on yourself.
finally, a sensible comment. This is why I despise nostalgia in certain ways. I don't know why it's so hard for people to see it for it is is. The guys today complaining about "Modern move open world games with bloat" etc. etc. , 20 years ago you had people complaining about the PS2 games being overcomplicated from the SNES days. And in the NES or SNES games you had the Atari or arcade guys complaining about those games. It never ends and it will never stop being stupid.
7th gen was the pinnacle of gaming.
You misspelled 5th gen.
You both misspelled “4th Generation”. First great controllers and The introduction of CD gaming. Best console war ever. Get with the program people.
@@officialpreppernation 4th was a close second. SNES vs Genesis was epic. But the introduction of performant 3D in Gen 5 was such a revolutionary thing. Entirely new paradigms and genres were birthed. Every gen since has been an incremental improvement but 4 to 5 was a supermassive leap.
@@ebe7157 PS1/N64 games very often have poor controls outside of a few. PS2/GC/OG Xbox was an unbelievably massive leap forward. 3D with the quality and controls (refined to be tighter like 2D games) to back it up. There were many new ideas and so much creativity in the 6th gen. 5th gen was basically a trial run for the real thing. A lot of 6th gen games haven't aged much outside of graphics (inevitable) and are very playable/fun no matter how much time passes.
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I think games are better now than they´ve been in a long time. The indie scene is packed with everything from retro games building on interesting stuff from the 90s and trailblazing indies that does new and unexpected things. Feels like there´s something cool coming out on a monthly basis. Often it´s almost overwhelming. Currently I´m deeply invested in Indika, Crow Country, Sonar Shock and especially Skald (one of the best RPG´s I´ve played of all time) and I´ve barely scratched the surface. Got Withering Rooms installed on my ps5 and have a bunch of games waiting in line. Meanwhile it´s also easier to play all the legacy games, so we really got everything now.
I went back and B-lined the main Yakuza series from Zero to Infinite Wealth.
About a month later, I’ve started to go through the Judgement games.
I feel like these days, very few franchises have gotten me interested in playing them day of release, but the franchises that have generally haven’t disappointed me.
At this point and i swear on this claim, that companies should just continue to develop remakes, ports, classic revivals, 2DHD remasters, ect and that would probably keep the industry affloat even more so then this terrible phone games for kids era that we are currently living, no pashion, no creativity, no vision. I say, If it aint broken, why fix it. Just bring old games back into relevency that were developed by veteren artists and designers, for modern generations to enjoy. Look at well some of these have done from stuff that is brand new like octopath traveler to remakes like dawn of mana, Suikoden hundred heroes, Star ocean 2nd story R, and Dragon quest, to even full blown large scale remakes like FF VII, Resident evil, silent hill. This is what we all want really.
I understand how you feel, for me one of the biggest issues with modern gaming is setting aside 100 hours to play a specific game. For example I really like to Final Fantasy seven rebirth and I did all the side quest but it took me over 100 hours to beat the game and I’m probably never going to play it again, mainly because of how long it took to beat. I think back to some of my favorite RPG’s like Lunar the silver star i beat it at least 20 times on the Sega CD and 10 times on the PS1 and once on the Japanese Saturn. The thing about the game is it’s not super long and it’s not short it’s just right. I would recommend that you check out a game called Steller Blade it’s on PS5 it’s a action game and there are some side quest but it’s not overwhelming and it can take you anywhere from 15 hours to 30 hours to be depending on how you choose to play it. Check out the review and some gameplay you might be interested
The biggest issue I have with modern games is not the games themselves. It’s the time we live in. Social media has flushed us with so much information about so many games.
Most of my gaming experience is simply “I want to beat this game.” It’s not immersion but just to know what it’s about and having finished it so I can get to the next game on an almost endless list.
When I was a kid or teen, I had less choices and also less media telling me about all my options, so I focused in on the 6-7 games I got each year from holidays or through borrowing from a friend. I missed out on 90% of games that came out, but I didn’t have the same level of FOMO, because it wasn’t in my face daily about what else is out there I haven’t got to yet.
Okay so I'm not alone here. With all the game announcements this week not really hitting for me I thought I was aging out of games. Monster Hunter and Astro Boy are the only games announced that i really clicked with. The indie scene is way more interesting to me for fresh concepts and stories.
I cancelled PSN Plus, Switch Online and Gamepass going basically PC only at this point.
Same here man. I've been a gamer since I was like 6. I'm 37 now and I think realize that I'm not the target demographic anymore and gaming is no longer for me. I don't but microtransactions, I don't buy season passes. The past year I don't find myself playing many games made after 2015 unless it's a remake. The resident evil remakes are awesome.
I feel where you're coming from with modern gaming. It is a culmination of things for me. Between online only/free to play games, microtransactions, games missing features/content, being buggy and unfinished, games not on the disc. I have to do so much research before I buy a game now.
I have been into retro games since 2007. We are living in a golden age of retro right now with so many newcomers and content creators 🎉
I’m feeling the same. I really enjoy retro more and more as we slip into this period of gaming. I like Nintendo because they respect my time by creating consoles in the traditional mode of turn it on and play within 30 seconds.
Glad you are back on YT, you should make an episode with happyconsolegamer !
I understand how you fell. I would love all my old games made with love like how they did from back in the day! I mean imagine new game called Metal Gear 0 w/ ps1 graphics, that has the same impact we had as a kid. No dlcs, complete game jus add updates. Also make tons of secrets/easter eggs and cheats codes that take years to figure out and spend all the time on gameplay idc about graphics nowadays smh
"receding into retro games" is an interesting move that has been done before as the industry goes through its development cycles. I think a better name for what's happening is just the 2nd coming of the indie game. Indie games have the physical media aspect and scope to keep you entertained while the bigger companies restructure to stay relevant.
M glad it’s not just me.
You're not alone.
More games these days aren't always exactly games, they're interactive movies.
And when they do get to the gameplay itself, it's an open world time sink of needless fetching and collecting to progress.
Your Final Fantasy VII Rebirth is a good example. The story is great, the combat works well, but it was insistent on me playing random mini games like Queen's Blood which I didn't enjoy.
I played for 150 hours doing everything. At times, by the time I got to doing some combat again, I'd forgotten the controls.
I'm playing more and more old games. Like you I used to play tons of online shooters, but modern shooters don't compare to the old days of Counter Strike and Halo 3.
i been feeling like this for almost 10 years, that's why i dont play open world games that much, tired of pointless busy work, btw super excited for smt: vengeance
I'm so burnt out on third-person and first-person shooters. I'm so burnt out on the modern clichés. Nintendo is one of the only big companies left that still make fun games.
44 y/o here. I went from NES>SNES>PS1 and went cold for a looooong time, reemerging with Covid unemployment checks, haha. I have a Wii, DS, SNES Classic and Genesis Classic. I've researched and researched making a more modern console my 'centerpiece' but nothing serves enough other than just MORE. Meanwhile, scheduling my play time is difficult enough for my 180 game total collection. So now, with the promise of physical media collapse, I'm happy to partake in my oldies with zero paywalls and casual play for the big 3-letter word that is too often forgotten: FUN.
47, I’ve been downloading more arcade like games on PS5.
Hey Pete, I was wondering If you would talk about Baldurs Gate 3 in your analisys, but you didint mention it directly, maybe if fits in the Turn Based category? But I would really like to hear your opinion not just about the game per say, but it's positioning in this "current era" of games
Man, everything you said hits home with me. It's the reason ANY of us still pickup and play and enjoy the classic games. They're complete and work right out of the box, they're fun and never lost focus of the purpose of the game. I can't remember the last time I bought a new game that didn't require some gigantic day one update because the game practically shipped unfinished. Then, when you do finally begin playing, they don't let you just enjoy the damn game. They have to spam you with a ton of crap and side quests to do that you just feel overly stimulated and are left wondering, "what the heck should I really be doing?!?" Then to top it all off, they've lost sight of the entire purpose of the game, the FUN...They're simply just not fun to play anymore. The reason for you to not want to put down the controller because you're simply having a great time, is just not there anymore. I purchased an Xbox Series X and I sometimes wish I never bothered. I've had it for close to 3 years now and I'm yet to purchase anything specifically designed for that console other than Hogwarts Legacy, which was actually a purchase for my WIFE who's a huge Harry Potter fan and even she couldn't finish the game because (and I $hit you not) she feels overwhelmed when playing it. She's a non "gamer", so that right there speaks volumes to me...
I totally feel the same. I was actually thinking about this the other day while in the shower. I thought about how back in the day, you really didn't know what type of game you were going to get when buying them. Sure, we had magazines and early forums to discuss it but it was a surprise and the majority of the time, original ideas.
These days, yes the graphical ability of video games have advanced exponentially, thr majority are copying each others concept and while I don't mind developers taking inspiration from other games, when you do it excessively like today's market has done, nothing becomes exciting to play. Nothing feels like a surprise anymore. Even when trying to avoid the internet and spoilers for a new release, you kinda already know what to expect. "It will have a cover system like X game, an inventory system like Y game and a story like Z game."
We don't have any innovation anymore and it seems like indie developers are taking that torch to make original ideas that triple A devs won't do anymore but it doesn't benefit us older gamers because indie is always small scale. People talk bad about CyberPunk but at least they took some chances. Tried something different and it was demonized because of it, obviously because of quality issues. It scares studios to take risks and they stick to what makes money. I miss the old days...
I feel the same Gaming today Sucks… Playing old school games are the way to go. We wont loose them if they don’t sell or servers being taken down etc… Paying extra and not even having the full experience yeah No Thank You!
Kinda ironic doing an ad for a modern game on this video. Lol
Having just recently beat the original SMT V I can attest to it not being a typical "modern game". As you'd expect it's good old SMT at the core, but with a bit sloppier level design (IMO). The only "modern" sensibility is having you roam around large open world-like areas more than crawling in labyrinth-like dungeons. Atlus games are by and large following the same formula they crystalized in the PS2 era with SMT 3 Nocturne and Persona 3/4, and thank god for that.
Smt V seems to be inspired and using an older generation 6 DNA , on modern hardware. That is why I got the original smt V for the switch.
definitely understand being turned off by the towers in Rebirth, but after the first area's tutorials almost all of the side content in the game is optional. I will say that a large majority of the side content genuinely feels rewarding to play, but I get not wanting to do that stuff and just wanting the main story- which Rebirth lets you do if you want. turns it from like a 110 hour game into a 50-60 hour one lol. either way, good vid Pete and glad to see you posting!
Since last year I've been playing 60% Retro, 30% Backlog and 10% modern games.
Most new games just suck. Very few games like FF16, FF7R, Stellar Blade, Granblue Fantasy Relink, Armored Core and Baldur's Gate have gotten my attention.
Playing black ops 1 every week. It’s crazy how well it holds up. The cod games lost its soul once they went the realistic graphics route in 2019. And yes retro is king. F modern games
You made this video when i started a new game of Fallout 4 after spending 180hrs in Rebirth, and I'm now over 100hrs in F4 and I've just finished doing stuff in Goodneighbor! I've also installed Far Harbour and Nuka World which I've never played, so I've got plenty to do for a while haha
I've always been the sort of guy who buys a new console ~2-3 years after release, and the vast majority of new games I buy are on sale. I really wanted to play Dragon's Dogma 2 on launch, but because of the release timing I had to choose between that and Rebirth. And I can't be bothered with the online subscriptions for any of these platforms because there's literally no value in it for me. I generally don't play online games, and the games I do play tend to take me longer than a month to finish anyway. Access to something like GamePass or NSO would be wasted on me.
Same.
Gamepass, psn and switch online will never get another dime from me.
I have been playing PS2 games like Tenchu, Sly Cooper,007,Prince of Persia. Games that take maybe 5+ hours to beat instead of 20+.
I've moved over to Indy games a lot myself, I like that they seem to bring more old-school type games but update them with modern conveniences. But I have slowed down in general, Feels like theirs too much going on and too big of a financial commitment for it.
Fun vid. :)
Feel the same. I rarely turn on my PS5 and I never turn on my Series X. Switch still has a lot of games I like and I've been going back to my PS2 and og xbox. Such a great generation.
You are me. I rarely turn on the PS5 and started playing my retro consoles a lot. I miss when games were linear. I can't play no more non linear open world games anymore. Like I am tired of trying to find a mission. Just tell me where to go. And I don't give a damn about trophies anymore. I just want to play the game, beat it and that's it. I don't want to play DLCs either. It should be in the game already.
My ADHD keeps me from completing most games. I've been gaming for over 4 decades and still love games. Looking back, I couldn't wait until game's got to this point. I do feel like a lot of games feel soulless nowadays and just thrown together without any love put into their crafting. I still hold onto hope though.😊
I love running around in beautiful worlds others created knowing that if I die, I can just press continue.❤ Happy to see you're still making videos Pete.🎉
Hey Pete. I'm glad to see that you're still uploading videos. This is Doug from SBU. Not sure if you remember me. I've been in Japan for 10 years now!
I had the same exact experience as you with FF7 Rebirth. Games are just way too bloated these days and I have very limited time to play because I have two small children. I gave up on FF7 Rebirth about 8 hours in and instead started playing Skies of Arcadia again but this time in Japanese. So much more fun and straightforward. I'm happy with just playing SNES to PS2 era JRPG's these days! And like you said, just 10 hour so games that can be beaten over a weekend. Hope you're doing well!!
Early GenXr here. Playing since the Atari 2600 was just the VCS. I don't do digital or suscriptions, so I've been prepping for a while for the day I won't buy any new games. I don't sell either so I have 40+ years worth of games in my shelves, yes including my entire CIB Atari game collection. At this point, between old games I'm happy to replay and the backlog I've built, I think I'm set.
I've lost interest in most new games, for many reasons, lack of physical being just one. For the past year or so, as I bought each game I wondered if its the last I'll ever buy.
But I've been pleasantly surprised that gaming (as in "new games") isn't as dead for me as I would have expected by now. Lies of P, Stellar Blade and the upcoming Astro Bot and Silent Hill (please, please offer them in physical) still get my interest. But Its certainly winding down and retro focused from now on.
This is me as well. Been really focusing on collecting older consoles and games since 2019 with the same mindset. Basically just preparing for the day when consoles won't have disc drives. That will be the end point for me supporting new games almost entirely.
At that point, I will be strictly focused on what I have already, picking up retro titles and playing the rare can't miss new game, on PC
I am not a retro gamer, but I do like to buy old games I missed out on that peak my interest. Also, I do like playing new jrpgs, and even the remake, and remastered ones.
I'm an OG gamer myself. Great Video! I am falling in love with FMV games. I know they are not popular. Since I love movies anyway. It's a perfect balance for me. I've digitally bought so many in the past year.
As usual your takes are spot on and pretty relatable. There are so many trends about modern AAA gaming that are grating; the open world frictionless Ubisoft template, design by committee and wokeism, bloated and overlong dev cycles, too many remasters/remakes/reboots, evergreen Shartnite and mobile slop that negatively affect real games too (buy your kids Nintendo games, parents). Still, there are more good games than I'm able to play through in a timely fashion between newer AAAs, AAs, indies, retro games and a MMO on the side. If I were only going from AAA to AAA release or the latest Twitch flavor of the month streamer bait I'd probably be more genuinely despondent. It's not even really a practical problem but it stills affects the discourse around gaming and the "hype cycle" for new games very negatively. The last State of Play for example was all in all very disappointing except Astro Bot. There were like three Chinese F2P/gacha games there, like WTF are they even doing.
Are you looking forward to Judas game from Ken levine? Also, have you played gloomwood on steam? Those are some single player shooters you may enjoy with good story. Might revive your interest in shooters. But I agree with the stuff you said in this video. Thanks.
I sold my ps5 and all my games like 2 yrs ago during that time I , took a break from gaming after being burnt out . I’m a 90’s kid who missed out on so many video games & systems of my generation. Then Recently I had that gaming itch again & I bought a bunch of Gameboy games & have been collecting for the system along with Game Gear games as well.
Feels incredible going back to these older games I never played. Modern gaming is basically dead for me , really have no interest in it anymore .
There’s just something about these older games, the music , the simplistic gameplay , the heart and soul that was put into some of these games is just beautiful.
I have been having more fun with my Ps2 and N64 than anything modern.
I've been playing videogames for over 30 years now. I do see this general turn towards giving players huge checklists vs. just naturally exploring in AAA games. I would like this stuff to be more optional going forward so it does not prey on your brain as much and leaves you open to explore what are often really beautifully realized 3D spaces. At the same time, I often watch my girlfriend, who is a less experienced player, play the same games with a more open mindset and she tends to explore the world first before even realizing the structure of the goals. So I think it is more me being instantly aware of the games structure and wanting to do well that stands in the way of freely exploring and enjoying myself. Also fueled by the want to get the most out of the game for the time I have to play it.
I'm exactly the same. Quit my GamePass when I realised I have a huge Steam backlog to get through. I was only playing MS Flight Sim though it so decided to "save" my monthly sub to get that when it's on sale, which it is now. I'm done with subscription services generally now.
Game pass is my monthly Sea of Thieves fee basically (and Grounded lately). Most of the time if it isnt one of those two games, Ill download something and play it for 2 hours then uninstall it. For basically the last year, I have just been playing coop games. Lethal Company was a great time for a while with friends. I used to be big into FPS games but they are so hyper competitive now that it is just a breeding ground to start fights and arguments. It's just not fun when everyone acts like ranked mode is a job.
Why not just buy those games separately and then not waste money on a service you barely use?
@@inputfunny A part of me keeps thinking that soon they are gonna add another game that I will play all the time. I know it's stupid.
Couldn't agree more, man. I've been mostly gaming on emulators lately. It's fun going back and both replaying games I used to love, and exploring new games I've missed out on. Dig Dug, Donkey Kong, MGS 1-3, Custom Robo, Super Mario...there's really no shortage of amazing games to revisit, all before the age of microtransactions and "gaming as a service."
Yeah me too. Hellblade 2 was the final straw for me, modern gaming is terrible, i mostly play old games like original xbox /360 and old school pc shooters like shadow warrior 1997 etc
I'm starting to retro game as well on my older consoles from time to time but mostly do it on my steam deck. As for modern games that I want to play it's usually PC, Steam Deck(if it easy to run), and Switch.
I hooked up my N64 a few weeks ago and have been so entertained by it! So many fun classics to play!
Appreciate your comments on FF7 Rebirth as that is what I’m experiencing rn with the game. I just reached Chapter 11 at 75 hours and I’m feeling burnt out
I was gonna build a new pc rig because my 970/i6700k has been pretty out of date since 2020 but I realized there isn't a single new or upcoming game that I want to play. Not even dying to play. There are merely a few games that I guess I would play. Retro Gaming is the only option.
You I’m so happy to be a slow/patient gamer. I beat 2 games last year. RE4 remake and Tears of the Kingdom. This year I’m soaking in Baldurs gate 3.
I’ve got a back log with some awesome games I look forward to diving into at my own pace. Not spending $70 on modern AAA games to then get heart broken.
I’ve got Persona 5, Witcher 3, Bioshock, Deadspace, Metro Exodus, Far Cry 2. All on my list. So excited! Playing at my own pace Makes me cherish and soak everything thing in.
I was very out of touch with the modern games industry a little while ago, but this year and next has some pretty great stuff on the horizon. My watch list is huge now. Ironically, the thing I'm most excited for is Kingdom Heart on Steam - a remaster of a 20 year old game that already came out on PC a few years ago. Even more ironically, I've only played Pokemon Red on my gameboy colour in the last couple of weeks...I'm starting to feel like I enjoy being excited for a new game more than I actually enjoy playing them. Doesn't help that I am an insanely nostalgic person
glad to find your channel, you said almost word for word what i think about modern gaming and im also playing retro almost exclusively
We're at a stage where we have so many old games to check out, and new games are becoming less and less enjoyable, so people are dipping into that backlog, and finding hundreds of great games they've never played before. It's not good for the modern games industry, but I think gamers are getting some good out of this era.
I myself recently tacked an old NES nemesis of mine called Castlequest. It's a puzzle/platformer that is really easy to get softlocked in. You run around rooms collecting colored keys that open any door of the same color. The goal is to get to the princess without running out of resources. The controls take a little getting used to, but it's really fun.
I'm fairly new to modern gaming when it comes to PS & Xbox... which my last of either was the PS1, (I have a PS5 & Series S) so I've missed out on several generations of games and having a blast catching up on some of best best games from the last 15 yrs. or so. Coupled with having a Nintendo Wii U since end of 2015, and then the Switch, it's been fairly busy with gaming more or less the past 9 yrs or so, good or bad. It has been ALOT of games I will add and can get exhausting trying to play all the best ones, or games I'm really interested in, which are many, I sometimes wonder when it will let up eventually... sooner rather than later I hope!
New Games being $70+ a pop now is THE REASON I still have gamepass.
Been there for a while now and I am absolutely loving diving headfirst into retro and discovering awesome “new to me” stuff. Especially now that prices are starting to come back down to earth (at least on the local buy and sells that I use)
Went back to old(er) games this year. Played and finished Ratchet and Clank 1, The Darkness, Asura's Wrath, Dante's Inferno, Mini Ninjas, and Gears of War 1 so far. Playing NFS Underground and Bornout 3 right now'
Enjoyed these ganes so much, fantastic core mechanics, cool settings, fun gameplay..and: They aren't bloated to 50 hours, perfect 10-15 hours are just plenty.
Very refreshing to hear I'm not alone in this. I've become very selective in what modern games I buy. Mainly RPGs and indie games. Other than those, Ive been fluctuating between SNES and Vita generations.
I have such a big backlog of games so I've been loving having a slower last year or two. Plus indie games have been killing it.
Maybe you are going through what I did around 2003. I was getting older, early 30's, and everything coming out was influenced by Half Life and I got sick of it. I'm a single player and everything was on rails, scripted events, and modern military. I eventually quit playing and my desktop got way outdated. I only had laptops from there and would piddle around a little but not much. I did get Skyrim a year after it released and played quite a bit of it but never finished it. Laptops to me aren't good for games.
It wasnt until last December I finally got a new gaming desktop rig with a ultra wide 4 ft monitor (awesome btw) and am now catching up on things I missed out on. I still don't play as much as I used to and sometimes it feels like a chore however overall I enjoy it. Playing Grim Dawn, Elden Ring, and go back to Skyrim from time to time. Some others. Still haven't finished the main Skyrim quest after 12 years ha ha.
Dunno about retro, but I've been obsessed with Animal Wells and Tunic this year. Animal Well is being labelled a "metroidvania" (and tunic works in a similar way, although it is isometic) but it struck me while playing them that depsite the name, when I was a kid, these were just known as... well designed games. Thought has to be applied in making all the pieces fit and the joy is in picking them apart.
You're right AAA's are too long, but the real problem with them is, due to the production costs, they're devoid of risk. No secrets, everything task to complete, anything extra in the game instead of being a cool thing to find is sold to us as dlc or a microtransaction. So what ends up happening is, to compensate for the lack of engagement the games just become bloated and huge 60 hr minimum of doing the same thing.
Tunic and Animal well are both no longer than 13 hrs with a map and walkthroughs. But take the walkthrough away and you could be stuck for hrs, which is kinda the point, there are things to do that provide great gifts but you have to find them. AAAs will tell you everything for fear of you not getting your moneys worth.
This isnt a new phenomena, the enshitification has been in process since the tail end of the 360 era, where the 360 admittedly had good games, but they were kinda overshadowed by xbox live that allowed people who dont really like games to play sports with their friends over their tvs from home
The state of gaming makes me feel like Mr. Incredible in that scene.
"What are you waiting for?"
"I don't know. Something amazing, I guess."
**sigh** "Me too, kid."
I restarted mass effect one...
The upgrade plays much better.
Sometimes newer games give us less by doing more.
BIO SHOCK INFINITE GOT RID OF THE WEAPON WHEEL.
I just beat Borderlands 2 dlc...
It's a series that is hard to fuck up so I'm excited by it's fun story, art, and sillyness.
I have faith in gaming...just sometimes industries need to go through dark eras for creativity to rebirth like a Phoenix rising.
SUITS ARE RUINING CREATIVITY
lol the only game I play is kinda a "connected service" or whatever. used to game really hard. Now I almost exclusively play a few games of Tetris 99 on nintendo switch online. It's like 95% of my current gaming and I play for just a few minutes at a time, maybe a half hour here and there to get the daily challenges. It feels like good brain exercise and it's a nice game to not get stuck in for hours. Tetris 99 is by far my fav switch game of all time! I really hope that when the day comes that they discontinue it, they make a new version on the switch successor. Battle Royal + Tetris is an amazing formula!
Try out, legend of heroes trails games. Im playing for 8months non stop my second playthrough of 10games in the trails saga😅
It’s my fav of the genre.. Thank god it was recommended to me being a Suikoden fan
I’ve always been about retro games so I don’t consider myself receding back into them because I’ve always been playing them along with modern games..but I understand you Pete I feel the same way..I’m not a fan of physical games being ignored and also I would love more 3D platformers from the bigger companies..true AAA titles..I know that Astrobot is coming out I’m actually looking forward to that for the same reason you mentioned..glad you at least are still enjoying many retro games while looking forward to some upcoming ones 👍🏼
Dragons dogma 2 is the only game that gave me that sense of adventure/nostalgia from old school games(got lost in the exploring and systems in the game) underrated like the first one imo, hope we get a definite edition at some point.
To make a parallel, a good DJ start with low energy song, then ramp up, then go down to not exhaust the crowd and so on. It’s a journey.
Many open modern games tries to put the player in a constant state of high stimulation, and as a old gamer, it get tiring really quick. These games, also take the players hand and force them to keep a certain pace. I think these games are made for modern teenager that are always stimulated by reel on tiktok and so on.
Atm, I’m playing fallout 4 in survival. Not because theres a tv show, but because it was on my backlog and 60% off psn (had the game on disc before). Fantastic game, I can go at my own pace, prepare my expedition, and when I go ‘on mission’ theres always something unexpected happening and its a lot of fun.
So, playing FO4, living the life of a settler, taking my time and embracing the world OR being overwhelmed by some bombtastic ADHD proof game ? I’l choose FO4.
Fallout 4 on survival mode is something that has been on the back of my mind too. I gotta ignore the base building stuff though outside of just the basics like bed/workbench, that stuff is the reason I quit playing back when it came out.
@@PeteDorr In survival all these games mechanic make sense. You need a settlement to have fresh water and a cooking station (food without radiation). To save my sanity I installed a mod that allow quicksave using the pip boy 😅 I you role play your character, you wont be disappointed.
I switched to survival at level 6, so I had a little bit of inventory to get me going. It’s hard but rewarding. Currently level 15.
I dropped gamepass about a year ago and don't miss it. I will be doing the same with ps+ premium when that ends in August. I just look at the list of games they have and if it interests me I buy it just so I'm not tied to subscriptions. Just came back from a retro con and traded and bought a ton of OG xbox, PS3, xbox 360, and a few ps4 games. So I have plenty to play that I just don't need the subs. Currently playing through tales of Symphonia on the ps3 and really enjoying it. I have a PS5 and XSX but mostly use both to play ps1 or ps2 games (that get added that I get for free for buying them on ps3) or OG Xbox or 360 games on them. I know there is still newer games I want but I'll get them when I see them at Walmart in the clearance section or amazon when they are $19.99 or less. Or even used on eBay and they are around $5 to $10 bucks.