I think beckett is way better at grades than psa I don't understand why people pay more for psa. If there not as strict than a 10 really might not be a 10. I mean come on I sold that curry raw for $455 what a mistake.
Absolutely and if there were not influencers and apps that ran off PSA prices primarily, we would not be seeing the disparity. As a buyer, I would take the discount for the CARD every single time!!!!
A BGS 9.5 is essentially the same as a PSA 10. I've deep dived into collectors doing the grading reveal videos and the amount of PSA 10s is beyond stupid. Guys are showing of they have 8 out of 15 Zion Williams (or whoever) graded at a PSA 10, which should tell you right there the cards with that grade aren't rare. However, the BGS reveals for a 10 are few and far between. Low information/lazy collectors shooting themselves in the foot.
I prefer BGS all day over PSA. I have never purchased a PSA graded card in my life. PSA is unappealing to the eye and has the appearance of a cheap product.
PSA Chargers up charge for the higher grade which is crazy BGS does not . And you cannot compare BGS 9.5 TO PSA 10 Price wise that is silly .PSA overcharges because they PSA is a very greedy company . that makes a lot of mistakes as well .
When it comes to grading standards, PSA is the most inconsistent out of ALL the grading companies (from my experience) I have been grading cards for 12 years and there’s been a handful of times I would get “head scratcher “ grades from PSA. PSA 5’s, 6’s & 7’s, I would snap them and send them to BGS or SGC. Every time the cards would come back from those other companies with an appropriate grade. At times it is a crap shoot with PSA. If their slabs didn’t command such a premium I wouldn’t use them at all.
Totally agree, I’ve seen it time and time again and on both sides meaning I thought I’d get a 9 and got a PSA 10, then thought I’d get a 9 and it came back an 8… even if they have a certain standard it still seems that each individual at PSA grading a card doesn’t apply that standard in the same way
@@brandonc7189 As far as condition goes there’s not much a difference between a 9 & 10. So when I receive a 9 but expecting a 10 I really don’t get that worked up. What works me up is when Iam expecting a 9 (hoping for a 10) and I get a 6 or 7. Then I have to pay another grading fee to have the card correctly graded.
@@On_Point_Collecting_IG I feel you on that. Happened with my lebron chrome rc. Sent to psa came back a 7 no explanation of course. Sent to bgs got an 8 and the labels give info on what was flawed. I do understand there is currently a premium for psa slabs tho.
BGS ✅ Best overall Slabs. ✅ No backlog. ✅ No saturation. ✅ Pristine/Black Label grades. ✅ Complete Grading Scale. ✅ 20+ years Stable/Trustworthy Tangibles. ✅ Most familiar Branding next to Topps. How much do you really think it will take for BGS to rise up?
I remember back in 2000 BGS slabs actually sold for a PREMIUM to PSA because they were extremely tough with their grading. They should have stuck with being the toughest grader.
Stupid to have a BGS 9.5 and call it a 10 compared to PSA 10, If it's a 10, don't have your own system and make it a 9.5, that has to be why there is such a huge difference for PSA10 value or the so called Beckett 10 being a 9.5, to confusing for collectors, they'd rather have a card with a 10 on it -vs- a 9.5 any day, even if they are technically the same grade.
PSA reminds me a bit of the Absolut vodka phenomenon of the 1980's-90's. As someone who is at least a bit educated on the properties of different spirits, I can tell you Absolut is considered S@#t by sophisticated vodka drinkers. It has a pronounced alcohol taste and an aftertaste. A good vodka should have NO aftertaste (it is a neutral spirit). YET every college kid or even some professionals would turn their nose up at something like Ketel 1(a much better vodka). While Stoli and other high quzlity vodkas get recognized Absolut gets a lot of notoriety from an ad campaign that turned into a FAULTY perception that Absolut was high quality. I own mostly BGS cards, but a fair share of PSAs as well. I don't know if marketing triggered the gap (I can't say it did), but the difference is beyond being one simply of price, which is the explanandum, not explanans. It is, I think, a faulty perception that PSA 10 are genuinely higher quality than BGS 9.5s. But enough of the market seemed to think otherwise, and that triggered the price gap. However, I think the perception is fairly groundless. One thing to consider: Beckett's flaw might have been in creating the 10/pristine grade. The 9.5 is seen as a second tier card in their own system (rather than a subtle difference in gem mint and pristine). Without the same kind of granularity in grading a PSA 10 legitimate can have a wider range of actual quality than a BGS 9.5. (So plenty of PSA 10s would be BGS 9.5s...but I suspect most people assume they would be true BGS 9.5s and it is always possible that the PSA 10 is the same quality as the BGS 10). I suspect that the gap will stabilize. A trend reversal is possible. But BGS needs to do some marketing.
PSA 10 is always what I go for if I can but I think at this point BGS 9.5s are getting very underrated. Esp quads or quad+. To me they feel lower risk than PSA 10, which to me has too big of multiplier on some cards now. I think you have to really study each card and the price points when collecting to find good value. If I only went for PSA 10s I'd run out of money way faster, and as time goes on the 9.5s and 10s are still going to offer investment returns because they are attractive grades for the majority of cards. I do not believe BGS 9.5 will ever be the same value as PSA 10 at any point, but that's fine to me. In regards to centering, PSA definitely gives a break on the centering of most cards. A lot of PSA 10s would be a 9 centering on BGS. I think this comes down to personal preference, 9 centering is fine to me on the majority of cards I own, so I don't really get bothered by the PSA 10 centering scale. They both have different standards, so best to collect what you like most.
The problem is BGS 9.5 doesn't equal PSA 10. That's just a marketing thing that only hardcore collectors believe. The overall market will always value a 10 more. Gem mint and mint are not objective standards. If I started a grading company and labeled my 7 mint, 8 gem mint, 9 super gem mint, and 10 super duper gem mint, that wouldn't mean my 8 is equal to a PSA 10 or BGS 9.5. People want simply grading scales and PSA has the simplest scale since they don't use half grades. Grading is too subjective to be using half grades. There are not that many different conditions a card can be in.
collectors that have only been around for a couple of years believe that the PSA10 is a perfect card. That is far from reality. PSA 10 is more like a BGS 9 0r 9.5. But what do I know I've only been Collecting sense the early 70s. seventies
@@jjamesflo2750 That's an opinion not a fact. That's the problem with grading. It's subjective, not objective. You could've been collecting cards since the 1920's and it wouldn't make your opinion matter any more than the next collector. You can't make a coherent argument as for why a BGS 9.5 is equivalent to a PSA 10. All you can do is say that's what you've heard from other collectors. That's not an argument. It is a fact that the market doesn't believe the BGS 9.5 is equivalent to a PSA 10. Just look at the market. Comparing BGS 10 to PSA 10 makes more sense.
New people like the shiny 10 number instead of having a 9.5 on something. Even though the 9.5 is essentially the same as a PSA 10. You've seen it with csg, no one cared about them and they change their label and grading system to give 10s out like candy.
No way in hell i'lll send my cards into CSG for them to give everything a 9.5 and I have to resend back in(And pay $5 extra dollars ea) to get 10s. Talk about milking the customer.
People would rather see a slab with a 10 then seeing a nicer slab with a 9.5. I don't necessarily believe PSA is better but they gave out more 10's then beckett and that's what collectors are seeking.
Came here to make this exact comment. I think they're over-complicating this. BGS isn't dying. It might not even be hurting that bad. But a BGS 9.5 isn't the same as a PSA 10 anymore. Simple as that.
PSA is literally scared to grade vintage now ever since they graded trimmed cards and didn’t know it. Did a walk thru with a Nolan Ryan rookie that has been put away since it was pulled by a guy in the 60s who isn’t even a collector. The card even has some soft corners and after paying 700$ for the grading service they say the card was trimmed and didn’t grade it and kept the 700$ lmao…. Major burn
Honestly, I love picking up BGS 9's for my personal collection. For me, it's the best value in the hobby and I don't plan on moving the cards. If I feel inclined, I'd crack them and resub them to PSA but I just enjoy having the cards. I also think SGC is great for high grade vintage cards in the tuxedo slab. IMO
BGS should honestly just stop with the 0.5 grading and just round up to be whole numbers. I think people just mentally see bgs 9.5 and see it as a lower number than a PSA 10 even though their the same thing. I would still keep the black labels though.
I wish everyone will just be honest. All these individuals that are critical of BGS is for one reason only and it's that they don't hand out 10's like it's candy. All everyone cares about is how much they can make. It's all about the MARGINS. For example, if I can send a card into PSA and get it graded for $15 -to $25 (pre shutdown) and get a grade of 10, of course, I will send it to to PSA...BGS cost $40 and the chance of getting a grade of 10 is extremely low. SGC is the new PSA with it's low price of $25 per grade and the chance of a grade of 10 is high. They are going to go with SGC. If PSA does not lower it's price they will soon be a mass exit from PSA to SGC. I truly believe if you have a card and you want an honest grade then BGS all day (With Sub Grades). If you are looking to resell then it's obvious PSA & SGC...I don't understand how someone can honestly look at a card and see the imperfection (Centering) and still get a PSA 10. (Is it really a 10?) Why do you think SGC is becoming the new hobby favorite? It's because of their low cost!!! Sadly, it's all about the MARGINS!!!! I truly hope BGS don't change their grading, just lower their cost to remain competitive $25 for basic grading and $30 with Sub Grades and they will return to the top of the food chain. IMHO
I’ve cracked a BGS 9 Trae Blue velocity that had an 8.5 centering and it came back a PSA10. It’s very possible to look for the right BGS slabs to resubmit and I’ve done it. I think with Nat being involved so much in the hobby and owning PSA, it has certainly given people more hope and stability that PSA is going to last and in turn causing the huge disparity. Dr Beckett needs to come back to BGS or another big hobby figure needs to join BGS. I’m still a firm believer in BGS and especially for autos. Nobody wanted SGC before the boom, even when you hear all the vintage collectors used them. You don’t see any old time SGC out of 100 scale slabs anymore and nobody will want them in the future. Don’t sleep on BGS. Thanks T-Pott for sharing! Crazy seeing the numbers. Take care Brother 🤙🏽🤙🏽
This was really helpful. Out of my dad's entire collection, he has one card that's valuable. If it's a PSA 10 it's worth $7000 and there's only one on eBay. If it's a 9, it's worth $800 :(
My graded Pokemon cards came from BGS back and im so pissed of... Like all my 24 Cards has 9 or higher subgrades. Only the Centering is always less.. thats why my cards are mostly 8,5 instead of 9 or higher... never do BGS again!
Perception is key that PSA is better not actuals.. I would think PSA is overvalued along with BGS being undervalued. When people are grading cards vs AI mistakes can and do happen. Buy the card not the grade.
No one ever talks about BVG.. ... IMO... and most people's opinion...... BVG grades weak.. and if you can get a bvg 7 , instead of a psa 5.. you may make a case for vintage... MAYBE!?
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Drop the damn prices beckett. I remember payin about 8 other 10 bucks or less a card during a specials month, probably 12 years or more years ago. I think maybe 15 about 5 or so years ago, but 35, that's ridiculous and the reason I haven't submitted my jordans. Although I've purchased psa cards, I've never submitted to them b4, but 50 bucks a pop, OMG! I don't know bout dat. I did, however, resubmit my beckett 1996 stars 9.0 Jordan refractor and got back a 9 5. I still have the pic of the the broken case. I don't know about submitting. These prices r way too high. Will they ever come back down?
You talk about going to PSA because they’re more lenient on grading. Look at how many psa 10a that are 70/30 centering. At least you know why you got a poor grade with BGS. You have no idea either PSA.
I don’t mind 9.5’s in overall grades but I like them as mint plus just as CSG and SGC have them. I believe quad 9.5’s should get an overall 10 gem mint grade. You could keep 10 pristine and 10 perfect. I would consider anything with one/two 9 sub grades with multiple 9.5’s mint plus. A side note, I just won an auction on a 93 Topps Stadium Club Jeter for $180 in a BGS slab that had subs of 9.5, 9.5, 10, 10. A PSA 10 sold for $670 two days later. You mean to tell me that one sub grade of .5 point to get to pristine is the difference between $180 for 9.5 gem mint all the way up to over $2000 for the pristine (pop 9)??? I’d put that $180 gem mint up against any PSA 10 out there.
The black gold and silver labels are awesome but I dread sending anycard I think might get below an 8.5 because those labels are dead ass ugly. I kind of like that though because it motivates me to go for mint condition cards and avoiding vintage
Keep dumping bgs true gems for nothing because I’m buy and buying and buying some more! Most chromium cards have a 80 percent crossover from true gem to psa 10. No problem
It should be dead. They declare a card having color added to it when no such thing happened so it didn't grade so it gets an authentic/altered in a slab. Their customer service is terrible. I have to wonder about any Beckett grade.
This video is beyond subjective. Why are you comparing a PSA 10 to a BGS 9.5. Obviously the 10 is going to outweigh the 9.5 any given day. How about you be fair and compare 2 10's.
9.5 is Beckett's "Gem Mint" whereas 10 is PSA's "Gem Mint"... For years, a BGS 9.5 was actually more expensive than a PSA 10. Beckett doesn't give out 10's nearly as often as PSA 10's, and even more rare with a Black Label 10. PSA doesn't have anything higher than a 10. That's why I made the video. Thanks for watching.
The market apps and stuff always makes me laugh. I been doing for 25 years and have no problem moving and buying stuff without going by market. Because it all comes down to each individual and what someone will pay and there are so many other platforms buying and selling cards that aren't making apps like this. These apps are only able to pick up what sold on eBay LOL.
bgs their best bet at staying in the game is to focus all they have on being the best patch card graders/holders. they have fumbled their image too much in the grading market to ever get back to where they were especially with how hungry scg and new grading companies are. they have a lil push in their patch card grading and if they were smart they would do all they could to own that part of the market.
It’s difficult to imagine BGS not making a comeback. They have been such a large part of the entire grading world, and their slabs are, in my opinion, the most attractive, especially gold (9.5 or higher). I hope they re-establish themselves. Perhaps a change in certain aspects of their management and marketing is needed.
@JimBrave-ri1oc that's why bgs has 2 different 10 labels at one of the show they announced they were gonna change it to something like 3 9.5s and a 10 equals a lower grade 10 instead of a 9.5 but they got heat for it so didn't change anything
I don't see why you would compare a BGS 9.5 to a PSA 10. Why not a 10 gold lable to a 10 from PSA because 10 is also considered gem mint unless it's a Black Lable.
How could they be doing bad when they are literally so behind and have so many orders. We're talking years it's taking people to get their cards back. I don't see how that a bad thing for Beckett LOL they're making their money regardless how long it takes you to get your cards back
It’d be interesting to see the same analysis between BGS 9.5 versus PSA 9 cards. It looks like the market sees BGS gem mint as the equivalent to PSA’s mint grade.
My view: if you believe your card can get a BGS 10 Black or Gold labels then submit to BGS (As the BGS 10 Gold and Black Labels are the most desired grades in the collecting world) otherwise just submit to PSA (they tend to be much easy on the grades; as you've said there are few occasions where i've heard people crossing a BGS 9.5 and results in PSA 10)
In my opinion, what’s even more illogical is the price difference between PSA and SGC. Seen the difference between a SGC 10 and PSA 10 of the 86’ Jordan Fleer?? Absurd. There is like 125% difference, and it’s more difficult to get an SGC 10 than a PSA 10 (at least in my experience).
The real question is, why do PSA fans pay 2x for the same card based on the case. As you said at the end, people would buy it, crack it, and resub and make 30k.
not at all sometimes auctions just end up where they do, how many with fat pockets are online that day we have all got cards super cheap on auction out of luck cause no one was looking it has no bearing on the grader
My Sgc 9.5 Lewis Hamilton Sapphire portrait sold last night for 1002.00 on ebay, sales data is public. That's basically 90% of where that card has been for a PSA 10. Great news for people who like the convenience of SGC. On Beckett Economy: I believe it's business days, so it's not even 3-4 months, it's a lot longer. Insanity. This company deserves what is happening to it. I feel bad for the people that work at Beckett who have no say in any bad decisions.
As far as submitting to bgs They are dead until psa drops prices and forces the rest to follow with price drops as far as credibility in grading modern cards they are still top 2.
If you want the best quality product, at real market prices and not some over hyped, over saturated, pumped up, inferior slabs that will just tank on you, then go with Beckett.
With respect to cracking slabs and sending them to PSA, do you think PSA's eBay graded card authentication program is a way to get these high end cards in hand so they can be image scanned into their systems powered by Genamint? I could see how this might prevent strong BGS 9 and weak 9.5's from getting bumped up to PSA 10s.
I need advice from MMOVERS or others, should I have a card graded that's in a magnetic holder with the PSA sticker on top? So I have 2 ja Morant auto RCs optic and my buddy said no so I thought I would ask.... Thanks for any advice in advance fellas
if you mean a screw down then probably not because screwdowns apply so much pressure to the card that the graders will call it altered. Otherwise it should be good if the corners, edges, surface, centering, etc is in good conditon
I think no matter what it’s always going to come down to the human element. Even if a grader is trained to follow a certain standard each person may perceive that standard differently, which results in a variety of diff grades for what should essentially be the same grade across the board, no matter what company grades it
That slab design is way better looking. but everyone is bidding on PSA, PSA hands out 9's and 10's like candy, They are basically fraudulent and cheating.
Beckett needs a face, someone to do interviews with people like yourself. The other brands have done a better job putting people forward & that helps build trust with so many new people coming into the hobby last 5 years.
I get that all the grading companies have different grading scales but it's still odd to me that the prices for similar graded cards can be so different
What has always blown my mind regarding grading, regardless of what company, is the slightest imperfections that are not visible with the human eye can translate into tens of thousands of dollars in value. I believe that one day gem rates will be just as, if not more important than pop counts. For example, did you know that Ja Morant has a base card with a gem rate of under 1.5%? Not an insert, or a shorter print card or parallel...a true base card.
The reason PSA 10s are way more then BGS 9.5 lately is also due to PSA's service fees are way higher, so naturally the PSA slabs are going for more money. If PSA was down to $15 to 20 dollars per grading fee, then the PSA resale value will drop a bit, and the BGS 9.5 comparison will be closer. Also, not every BGS 9.5 are the same cause there are min-gem, true-gem, gem-plus, or even gem-plusx2.
I like BGS for collection and not selling but i got a card that the sleeve was stuck to the card like it has moist that’s why i will always do PSA and also if ever i want to sell it, better value
But the BGS card is not a “10.” They should not mark a “gem mint” card 9.5 and expect it to compete with a 10. In America, the idea of a “10” as the best is our standard. Glad you touched on this.
Can we really just project other companies shortcomings onto BGS for not recognizing Pristine & Perfect grades? Gem Mint is NOT the end all be all of the grading world, so it makes complete sense to end a true & complete grading scale at Pristine/Perfect 10.
I’m enjoying this - I prefer BGS for my PC, particularly cards with autos. I like SGC, PSA, and CSG. I have lots of these cards. But I find the case to be a premium look, particularly Bowman 1st refractor autos. That said, I still think PSA is over valued, and the market won’t really bottom out until it’s corrected, which sucks because I have lots of cards at PSA still.
T POTT the teacher. I think it’s a gets a great disservice to compare Bgs 9.5’s to a PSA 10. Even though bgs call there 9.5 gem mint in the mind of anyone analyzing anything 9.5 does not signify perfection but 10 does. I think bgs made a terrible marketing decision to call a 9.5 gem mint. As a collector l never compare a bgs 9.5 to a PSA 10 when I’m looking for the best grade possible. I mainly buy 10’s and never by 9.5’s as an equivalent. The fact tha bgs 10’s are difficult to get and rare is an apple to apple comparision to a PSA 10 and in my opinion some buyers like bgs some prefer PSA l view it as a Toyota Camry vs Honda Accord. The bgs 10 is pretty much the excellent card for bgs and of course they further muddy things up by having the black label. Bgs just has to many versions of the so called gem mint 10 card and that’s a problem of their own doing. Meanwhile PSA has one singular version of it’s perfect card and when you have the 10 rated card you don’t have to worry about multiple variations and multiples on the pricing models. This is why CSG has gotten rid of the 9.5 . Bgs should have never named the 9.5 gem mint as it allows buyers to unfavorably compare the 9.5 to a PSA 10. 9.5 in any analysis of anything in the world is not considered perfect and 10 is!
You forgot to mention that PSA will up charge you and the others will not.
i think thats such BS that PSA does that..
I think beckett is way better at grades than psa I don't understand why people pay more for psa. If there not as strict than a 10 really might not be a 10. I mean come on I sold that curry raw for $455 what a mistake.
Give me BGS 9.5 all day everyday. I buy the card INSIDE, not some cheap plastic slab that encases it. Gem Mint is Gem Mint.
I think BGS cases look better. To me PSAs are very plain
Absolutely and if there were not influencers and apps that ran off PSA prices primarily, we would not be seeing the disparity. As a buyer, I would take the discount for the CARD every single time!!!!
A BGS 9.5 is essentially the same as a PSA 10. I've deep dived into collectors doing the grading reveal videos and the amount of PSA 10s is beyond stupid. Guys are showing of they have 8 out of 15 Zion Williams (or whoever) graded at a PSA 10, which should tell you right there the cards with that grade aren't rare. However, the BGS reveals for a 10 are few and far between. Low information/lazy collectors shooting themselves in the foot.
BGS 10 over PSA 10 any day
I prefer BGS all day over PSA. I have never purchased a PSA graded card in my life. PSA is unappealing to the eye and has the appearance of a cheap product.
PSA Chargers up charge for the higher grade which is crazy BGS does not . And you cannot compare BGS 9.5 TO PSA 10 Price wise that is silly .PSA overcharges because they PSA is a very greedy company . that makes a lot of mistakes as well .
When it comes to grading standards, PSA is the most inconsistent out of ALL the grading companies (from my experience) I have been grading cards for 12 years and there’s been a handful of times I would get “head scratcher “ grades from PSA. PSA 5’s, 6’s & 7’s, I would snap them and send them to BGS or SGC. Every time the cards would come back from those other companies with an appropriate grade. At times it is a crap shoot with PSA. If their slabs didn’t command such a premium I wouldn’t use them at all.
You sound like a man who is 100% correct. I agree . Well said.
Totally agree, I’ve seen it time and time again and on both sides meaning I thought I’d get a 9 and got a PSA 10, then thought I’d get a 9 and it came back an 8… even if they have a certain standard it still seems that each individual at PSA grading a card doesn’t apply that standard in the same way
@@zebraallday8332 thanks bro 🙌🏻
@@brandonc7189 As far as condition goes there’s not much a difference between a 9 & 10. So when I receive a 9 but expecting a 10 I really don’t get that worked up. What works me up is when Iam expecting a 9 (hoping for a 10) and I get a 6 or 7. Then I have to pay another grading fee to have the card correctly graded.
@@On_Point_Collecting_IG I feel you on that. Happened with my lebron chrome rc. Sent to psa came back a 7 no explanation of course. Sent to bgs got an 8 and the labels give info on what was flawed. I do understand there is currently a premium for psa slabs tho.
Buying 9.5 at less price is great strategy
BGS
✅ Best overall Slabs.
✅ No backlog.
✅ No saturation.
✅ Pristine/Black Label grades.
✅ Complete Grading Scale.
✅ 20+ years Stable/Trustworthy Tangibles.
✅ Most familiar Branding next to Topps.
How much do you really think it will take for BGS to rise up?
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I remember back in 2000 BGS slabs actually sold for a PREMIUM to PSA because they were extremely tough with their grading. They should have stuck with being the toughest grader.
Stupid to have a BGS 9.5 and call it a 10 compared to PSA 10, If it's a 10, don't have your own system and make it a 9.5, that has to be why there is such a huge difference for PSA10 value or the so called Beckett 10 being a 9.5, to confusing for collectors, they'd rather have a card with a 10 on it -vs- a 9.5 any day, even if they are technically the same grade.
cracking and resubbing ~has made the population reports very hard to rely on these days
So you tell me a plastic slab with the same card in it is WORTH 100K more than the other? People are plan silly!!!!!!!!
PSA reminds me a bit of the Absolut vodka phenomenon of the 1980's-90's. As someone who is at least a bit educated on the properties of different spirits, I can tell you Absolut is considered S@#t by sophisticated vodka drinkers. It has a pronounced alcohol taste and an aftertaste. A good vodka should have NO aftertaste (it is a neutral spirit). YET every college kid or even some professionals would turn their nose up at something like Ketel 1(a much better vodka). While Stoli and other high quzlity vodkas get recognized Absolut gets a lot of notoriety from an ad campaign that turned into a FAULTY perception that Absolut was high quality. I own mostly BGS cards, but a fair share of PSAs as well. I don't know if marketing triggered the gap (I can't say it did), but the difference is beyond being one simply of price, which is the explanandum, not explanans. It is, I think, a faulty perception that PSA 10 are genuinely higher quality than BGS 9.5s. But enough of the market seemed to think otherwise, and that triggered the price gap. However, I think the perception is fairly groundless.
One thing to consider: Beckett's flaw might have been in creating the 10/pristine grade. The 9.5 is seen as a second tier card in their own system (rather than a subtle difference in gem mint and pristine). Without the same kind of granularity in grading a PSA 10 legitimate can have a wider range of actual quality than a BGS 9.5. (So plenty of PSA 10s would be BGS 9.5s...but I suspect most people assume they would be true BGS 9.5s and it is always possible that the PSA 10 is the same quality as the BGS 10). I suspect that the gap will stabilize. A trend reversal is possible. But BGS needs to do some marketing.
My breakdown:
CSG clearest and cheapest bulk prices
BGS THICK cards and chance at Black Label
SGC vintage
PSA REGISTRY AND FLIPPING!
PSA 10 is always what I go for if I can but I think at this point BGS 9.5s are getting very underrated. Esp quads or quad+. To me they feel lower risk than PSA 10, which to me has too big of multiplier on some cards now. I think you have to really study each card and the price points when collecting to find good value. If I only went for PSA 10s I'd run out of money way faster, and as time goes on the 9.5s and 10s are still going to offer investment returns because they are attractive grades for the majority of cards. I do not believe BGS 9.5 will ever be the same value as PSA 10 at any point, but that's fine to me. In regards to centering, PSA definitely gives a break on the centering of most cards. A lot of PSA 10s would be a 9 centering on BGS. I think this comes down to personal preference, 9 centering is fine to me on the majority of cards I own, so I don't really get bothered by the PSA 10 centering scale. They both have different standards, so best to collect what you like most.
My take on this? I'd love to see you do a comparison with vintage. SGC vs BVG vs PSA. 👍🏼
The problem is BGS 9.5 doesn't equal PSA 10. That's just a marketing thing that only hardcore collectors believe. The overall market will always value a 10 more.
Gem mint and mint are not objective standards. If I started a grading company and labeled my 7 mint, 8 gem mint, 9 super gem mint, and 10 super duper gem mint, that wouldn't mean my 8 is equal to a PSA 10 or BGS 9.5. People want simply grading scales and PSA has the simplest scale since they don't use half grades. Grading is too subjective to be using half grades. There are not that many different conditions a card can be in.
collectors that have only been around for a couple of years believe that the PSA10 is a perfect card. That is far from reality. PSA 10 is more like a BGS 9 0r 9.5. But what do I know I've only been Collecting sense the early 70s. seventies
@@jjamesflo2750 That's an opinion not a fact. That's the problem with grading. It's subjective, not objective. You could've been collecting cards since the 1920's and it wouldn't make your opinion matter any more than the next collector. You can't make a coherent argument as for why a BGS 9.5 is equivalent to a PSA 10. All you can do is say that's what you've heard from other collectors. That's not an argument. It is a fact that the market doesn't believe the BGS 9.5 is equivalent to a PSA 10. Just look at the market. Comparing BGS 10 to PSA 10 makes more sense.
PSA does give half cards
The only area in the world that people pay more for an inferior product
New people like the shiny 10 number instead of having a 9.5 on something. Even though the 9.5 is essentially the same as a PSA 10. You've seen it with csg, no one cared about them and they change their label and grading system to give 10s out like candy.
No way in hell i'lll send my cards into CSG for them to give everything a 9.5 and I have to resend back in(And pay $5 extra dollars ea) to get 10s. Talk about milking the customer.
@@Plum20411 I agree but the problem is most are PSA or nothing, Unfortunately.
The only PSA's I buy are underpriced and undergraded...the only thing they're good for
People would rather see a slab with a 10 then seeing a nicer slab with a 9.5. I don't necessarily believe PSA is better but they gave out more 10's then beckett and that's what collectors are seeking.
Came here to make this exact comment. I think they're over-complicating this. BGS isn't dying. It might not even be hurting that bad. But a BGS 9.5 isn't the same as a PSA 10 anymore. Simple as that.
PSA gives away 10's so you suckers keep them in business
PSA is literally scared to grade vintage now ever since they graded trimmed cards and didn’t know it. Did a walk thru with a Nolan Ryan rookie that has been put away since it was pulled by a guy in the 60s who isn’t even a collector. The card even has some soft corners and after paying 700$ for the grading service they say the card was trimmed and didn’t grade it and kept the 700$ lmao…. Major burn
Honestly, I love picking up BGS 9's for my personal collection. For me, it's the best value in the hobby and I don't plan on moving the cards. If I feel inclined, I'd crack them and resub them to PSA but I just enjoy having the cards. I also think SGC is great for high grade vintage cards in the tuxedo slab. IMO
@@marcengel4394 slabs with a black boarder, whatever you want to call them. I just like the look of them on vintage and it's just my opinion.
SGC rocks. So lame that people are fanboys of only PSA.
Has anyone had problems Submitting Cards in person and not getting cards back?
BGS should honestly just stop with the 0.5 grading and just round up to be whole numbers. I think people just mentally see bgs 9.5 and see it as a lower number than a PSA 10 even though their the same thing. I would still keep the black labels though.
I totally agree with you about dropping 9.5 to 9 or 10. And black labels should only exist if grader determines all 10 for all sub grades.
I wish everyone will just be honest. All these individuals that are critical of BGS is for one reason only and it's that they don't hand out 10's like it's candy. All everyone cares about is how much they can make. It's all about the MARGINS. For example, if I can send a card into PSA and get it graded for $15 -to $25 (pre shutdown) and get a grade of 10, of course, I will send it to to PSA...BGS cost $40 and the chance of getting a grade of 10 is extremely low. SGC is the new PSA with it's low price of $25 per grade and the chance of a grade of 10 is high. They are going to go with SGC. If PSA does not lower it's price they will soon be a mass exit from PSA to SGC. I truly believe if you have a card and you want an honest grade then BGS all day (With Sub Grades). If you are looking to resell then it's obvious PSA & SGC...I don't understand how someone can honestly look at a card and see the imperfection (Centering) and still get a PSA 10. (Is it really a 10?) Why do you think SGC is becoming the new hobby favorite? It's because of their low cost!!! Sadly, it's all about the MARGINS!!!! I truly hope BGS don't change their grading, just lower their cost to remain competitive $25 for basic grading and $30 with Sub Grades and they will return to the top of the food chain. IMHO
BGS is not dead, PSA gives 10s for free, BGS BL and Pristine > PSA 10 most of the time.
I prefer BGS for one reason. PSA slabs have ruined cards
So sounds like it’s worth submitting to Beckett to try and get the 10. If it gets a 9 or 9.5 then open and send it to PSA to try and get the 10.
now compare bgs 10 vs psa 10, lets see which is worth more
Exactly, compare apples to apples.
I’ve cracked a BGS 9 Trae Blue velocity that had an 8.5 centering and it came back a PSA10. It’s very possible to look for the right BGS slabs to resubmit and I’ve done it. I think with Nat being involved so much in the hobby and owning PSA, it has certainly given people more hope and stability that PSA is going to last and in turn causing the huge disparity. Dr Beckett needs to come back to BGS or another big hobby figure needs to join BGS. I’m still a firm believer in BGS and especially for autos. Nobody wanted SGC before the boom, even when you hear all the vintage collectors used them. You don’t see any old time SGC out of 100 scale slabs anymore and nobody will want them in the future. Don’t sleep on BGS. Thanks T-Pott for sharing! Crazy seeing the numbers. Take care Brother 🤙🏽🤙🏽
This was really helpful. Out of my dad's entire collection, he has one card that's valuable. If it's a PSA 10 it's worth $7000 and there's only one on eBay. If it's a 9, it's worth $800 :(
My graded Pokemon cards came from BGS back and im so pissed of... Like all my 24 Cards has 9 or higher subgrades. Only the Centering is always less.. thats why my cards are mostly 8,5 instead of 9 or higher... never do BGS again!
Perception is key that PSA is better not actuals.. I would think PSA is overvalued along with BGS being undervalued. When people are grading cards vs AI mistakes can and do happen. Buy the card not the grade.
No one ever talks about BVG.. ... IMO... and most people's opinion...... BVG grades weak.. and if you can get a bvg 7 , instead of a psa 5.. you may make a case for vintage... MAYBE!?
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Drop the damn prices beckett. I remember payin about 8 other 10 bucks or less a card during a specials month, probably 12 years or more years ago. I think maybe 15 about 5 or so years ago, but 35, that's ridiculous and the reason I haven't submitted my jordans. Although I've purchased psa cards, I've never submitted to them b4, but 50 bucks a pop, OMG! I don't know bout dat. I did, however, resubmit my beckett 1996 stars 9.0 Jordan refractor and got back a 9 5. I still have the pic of the the broken case. I don't know about submitting. These prices r way too high. Will they ever come back down?
You talk about going to PSA because they’re more lenient on grading. Look at how many psa 10a that are 70/30 centering. At least you know why you got a poor grade with BGS. You have no idea either PSA.
I don’t mind 9.5’s in overall grades but I like them as mint plus just as CSG and SGC have them. I believe quad 9.5’s should get an overall 10 gem mint grade. You could keep 10 pristine and 10 perfect. I would consider anything with one/two 9 sub grades with multiple 9.5’s mint plus.
A side note, I just won an auction on a 93 Topps Stadium Club Jeter for $180 in a BGS slab that had subs of 9.5, 9.5, 10, 10. A PSA 10 sold for $670 two days later. You mean to tell me that one sub grade of .5 point to get to pristine is the difference between $180 for 9.5 gem mint all the way up to over $2000 for the pristine (pop 9)??? I’d put that $180 gem mint up against any PSA 10 out there.
The black gold and silver labels are awesome but I dread sending anycard I think might get below an 8.5 because those labels are dead ass ugly. I kind of like that though because it motivates me to go for mint condition cards and avoiding vintage
Keep dumping bgs true gems for nothing because I’m buy and buying and buying some more! Most chromium cards have a 80 percent crossover from true gem to psa 10. No problem
It should be dead. They declare a card having color added to it when no such thing happened so it didn't grade so it gets an authentic/altered in a slab. Their customer service is terrible. I have to wonder about any Beckett grade.
Subgrades are good to have also
If Beckett had 10$ submissions they might get business again
Show "BGS" some love 💘
This video is beyond subjective. Why are you comparing a PSA 10 to a BGS 9.5. Obviously the 10 is going to outweigh the 9.5 any given day. How about you be fair and compare 2 10's.
9.5 is Beckett's "Gem Mint" whereas 10 is PSA's "Gem Mint"...
For years, a BGS 9.5 was actually more expensive than a PSA 10.
Beckett doesn't give out 10's nearly as often as PSA 10's, and even more rare with a Black Label 10. PSA doesn't have anything higher than a 10. That's why I made the video.
Thanks for watching.
The market apps and stuff always makes me laugh. I been doing for 25 years and have no problem moving and buying stuff without going by market. Because it all comes down to each individual and what someone will pay and there are so many other platforms buying and selling cards that aren't making apps like this. These apps are only able to pick up what sold on eBay LOL.
I'm not really following...but we have eBay data, My Slabs, Goldin, PWCC...Heritage is being integrated next and more to come.
I mean should people still send thicker cards to Beckett instead of PSA?
In my view, BGS (Outside of maybe RPA's) only exists as a pre-grade service for PSA.
bgs their best bet at staying in the game is to focus all they have on being the best patch card graders/holders. they have fumbled their image too much in the grading market to ever get back to where they were especially with how hungry scg and new grading companies are. they have a lil push in their patch card grading and if they were smart they would do all they could to own that part of the market.
Agree but at same time it’s a self fulfilling prophecy on this topic. Buy the card not the grader.
this statement goes so hard ,😂
What about for RPAS? I have a trey lance I think can 9.5 and want to know if sgc or bgs would be better
even if it gets a 9
@Carlos B Goode Take your complaining somewhere else I was looking for an actual answer. Thanks Child!
It’s difficult to imagine BGS not making a comeback. They have been such a large part of the entire grading world, and their slabs are, in my opinion, the most attractive, especially gold (9.5 or higher). I hope they re-establish themselves. Perhaps a change in certain aspects of their management and marketing is needed.
You like the off center label with messy perforated edges?
Bgs is looking for perfection and people want that participation trophy and get that psa 10 cuz they dont wanna take the L on the bgs 9.5
@JimBrave-ri1oc that's why bgs has 2 different 10 labels at one of the show they announced they were gonna change it to something like 3 9.5s and a 10 equals a lower grade 10 instead of a 9.5 but they got heat for it so didn't change anything
Please show raw price also. Cheers
I don't see why you would compare a BGS 9.5 to a PSA 10. Why not a 10 gold lable to a 10 from PSA because 10 is also considered gem mint unless it's a Black Lable.
BGS 9.5 is the Gem Mint grade for BGS.
What they should do is call those 10's cause that is what investors want. Then call the Diamond one an 11. @@MarketMovers
How could they be doing bad when they are literally so behind and have so many orders. We're talking years it's taking people to get their cards back. I don't see how that a bad thing for Beckett LOL they're making their money regardless how long it takes you to get your cards back
It’d be interesting to see the same analysis between BGS 9.5 versus PSA 9 cards. It looks like the market sees BGS gem mint as the equivalent to PSA’s mint grade.
I think it's because of the Pristine grade that most times sell for more than a PSA 10.
My view: if you believe your card can get a BGS 10 Black or Gold labels then submit to BGS (As the BGS 10 Gold and Black Labels are the most desired grades in the collecting world) otherwise just submit to PSA (they tend to be much easy on the grades; as you've said there are few occasions where i've heard people crossing a BGS 9.5 and results in PSA 10)
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In my opinion, what’s even more illogical is the price difference between PSA and SGC. Seen the difference between a SGC 10 and PSA 10 of the 86’ Jordan Fleer?? Absurd. There is like 125% difference, and it’s more difficult to get an SGC 10 than a PSA 10 (at least in my experience).
There's something fundamentally wrong with BGS as if they don't care about their own customers and opinions
The real question is, why do PSA fans pay 2x for the same card based on the case. As you said at the end, people would buy it, crack it, and resub and make 30k.
Really good episode T-pott
What about BGS true gem 9.5s vs PSA 10s? I’d imagine PSA 10 still commands a premium but I wonder if the gap closes significantly
not at all sometimes auctions just end up where they do, how many with fat pockets are online that day we have all got cards super cheap on auction out of luck cause no one was looking it has no bearing on the grader
How about a two year turnaround? Happened to me and the grades are way off. Need to get a second opinion. They’re terrible!
My Sgc 9.5 Lewis Hamilton Sapphire portrait sold last night for 1002.00 on ebay, sales data is public. That's basically 90% of where that card has been for a PSA 10. Great news for people who like the convenience of SGC. On Beckett Economy: I believe it's business days, so it's not even 3-4 months, it's a lot longer. Insanity. This company deserves what is happening to it. I feel bad for the people that work at Beckett who have no say in any bad decisions.
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I’d like to know your take on AGS AI grading. Maybe even an episode on it.
If u believe PSA will give u a 9 or a 8, u can go for the bgs 9.5 or 8.5 on certain situations and for thicker cards Beckett is usually recommended
As far as submitting to bgs They are dead until psa drops prices and forces the rest to follow with price drops as far as credibility in grading modern cards they are still top 2.
I LOVE BGS they are all I use got 10 cards there now and another 30 to send
If you want the best quality product, at real market prices and not some over hyped, over saturated, pumped up, inferior slabs that will just tank on you, then go with Beckett.
PSA is garbage...but BGS is FAR from quality
With respect to cracking slabs and sending them to PSA, do you think PSA's eBay graded card authentication program is a way to get these high end cards in hand so they can be image scanned into their systems powered by Genamint? I could see how this might prevent strong BGS 9 and weak 9.5's from getting bumped up to PSA 10s.
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Bgs needs to to look at how clean the card is then you can get a better idea not all the gems
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I saw that PSA has value service now for $30
I think they do a koo job cuz they want you to have the best results for the card
I need advice from MMOVERS or others, should I have a card graded that's in a magnetic holder with the PSA sticker on top? So I have 2 ja Morant auto RCs optic and my buddy said no so I thought I would ask.... Thanks for any advice in advance fellas
if you mean a screw down then probably not because screwdowns apply so much pressure to the card that the graders will call it altered. Otherwise it should be good if the corners, edges, surface, centering, etc is in good conditon
I think no matter what it’s always going to come down to the human element. Even if a grader is trained to follow a certain standard each person may perceive that standard differently, which results in a variety of diff grades for what should essentially be the same grade across the board, no matter what company grades it
I honestly like Beckett better tbh. I like how they offer the detail description on the slab.
That slab design is way better looking. but everyone is bidding on PSA, PSA hands out 9's and 10's like candy, They are basically fraudulent and cheating.
Beckett needs a face, someone to do interviews with people like yourself. The other brands have done a better job putting people forward & that helps build trust with so many new people coming into the hobby last 5 years.
Imagine BGS but with Someone like Peter as a front man.
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I get that all the grading companies have different grading scales but it's still odd to me that the prices for similar graded cards can be so different
it’s not different because of them, it’s different because of people. we give the cards their value
If you have Star cards it’s worth it
In happy with my Young Guns McDavid 9.5 bgs.. but wow PSA 10 is $2500 more!! Should I crack orrrrr lol
@Joseph Di Domizio Sooo no lol
@Joseph Di Domizio Yea my BGS 9.5 are all 9.5s minus a 9 on corners so yea def not chancing
What has always blown my mind regarding grading, regardless of what company, is the slightest imperfections that are not visible with the human eye can translate into tens of thousands of dollars in value.
I believe that one day gem rates will be just as, if not more important than pop counts. For example, did you know that Ja Morant has a base card with a gem rate of under 1.5%? Not an insert, or a shorter print card or parallel...a true base card.
Which base card?
The reason PSA 10s are way more then BGS 9.5 lately is also due to PSA's service fees are way higher, so naturally the PSA slabs are going for more money. If PSA was down to $15 to 20 dollars per grading fee, then the PSA resale value will drop a bit, and the BGS 9.5 comparison will be closer. Also, not every BGS 9.5 are the same cause there are min-gem, true-gem, gem-plus, or even gem-plusx2.
The cost to grade has absolutely no impact on the price of that card in the secondary market.
Cracking BGS 9.5 and SGC 9.5/10 to sub to PSA is a huge money making opportunity if you know what you are doing
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Absolutely not. Most expensive cards are black labels from. BGS.
I like BGS for collection and not selling but i got a card that the sleeve was stuck to the card like it has moist that’s why i will always do PSA and also if ever i want to sell it, better value
@Carlos B Goode BGS 10 is hard to get
@@marcengel4394 u know people have limited money right? it’s 110 dollars if u go to Bgs and Psa
@@marcengel4394 i would still go BGS cuz usually the cards are off centered and BGS is very strict with centering
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But the BGS card is not a “10.” They should not mark a “gem mint” card 9.5 and expect it to compete with a 10. In America, the idea of a “10” as the best is our standard. Glad you touched on this.
Can we really just project other companies shortcomings onto BGS for not recognizing Pristine & Perfect grades? Gem Mint is NOT the end all be all of the grading world, so it makes complete sense to end a true & complete grading scale at Pristine/Perfect 10.
I’m enjoying this - I prefer BGS for my PC, particularly cards with autos. I like SGC, PSA, and CSG. I have lots of these cards. But I find the case to be a premium look, particularly Bowman 1st refractor autos. That said, I still think PSA is over valued, and the market won’t really bottom out until it’s corrected, which sucks because I have lots of cards at PSA still.
T POTT the teacher. I think it’s a gets a great disservice to compare Bgs 9.5’s to a PSA 10. Even though bgs call there 9.5 gem mint in the mind of anyone analyzing anything 9.5 does not signify perfection but 10 does. I think bgs made a terrible marketing decision to call a 9.5 gem mint. As a collector l never compare a bgs 9.5 to a PSA 10 when I’m looking for the best grade possible. I mainly buy 10’s and never by 9.5’s as an equivalent. The fact tha bgs 10’s are difficult to get and rare is an apple to apple comparision to a PSA 10 and in my opinion some buyers like bgs some prefer PSA l view it as a Toyota Camry vs Honda Accord. The bgs 10 is pretty much the excellent card for bgs and of course they further muddy things up by having the black label. Bgs just has to many versions of the so called gem mint 10 card and that’s a problem of their own doing. Meanwhile PSA has one singular version of it’s perfect card and when you have the 10 rated card you don’t have to worry about multiple variations and multiples on the pricing models. This is why CSG has gotten rid of the 9.5 . Bgs should have never named the 9.5 gem mint as it allows buyers to unfavorably compare the 9.5 to a PSA 10. 9.5 in any analysis of anything in the world is not considered perfect and 10 is!
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