Its a shame BTCC was split between two ideas in 2001. They should have scrapped trying to produce a budget car with a super touring look and just gotten fully behind the production class
2001 was a poor season, Charlie cox doesn't sound interested until the final few rounds. Its incredibly badly together compared to the 90s reviews. Plato/muller battle saved the season.
I know Super Touring got too expensive and unsustainable by the end, but this new formula just didn't do it for me. Dreadful season with thin grids, only the needle between Plato and Muller late on give it any semblance of respectability
Fantastic upload. I put this on the other day intending to just watch a bit, but ended up watching all of it! I used to own this on VHS back in the day. Plato and Muller had an incredible duel and it was only after reading Plato's recent book that I realised quite how toxic it all got.
The last two races at Brands Hatch were excellent, unfortunately the rest of the season before was awful imo. Thin grids and a Super Touring hungover (loved that era) sadly ensured this season was a dud for many
@@allthekingshorses7178 it was certainly different in 2001 wasn't it. The grids were really thin, but thankfully things improved in that regard in 2002. It's great that the BTCC has grids of around 30 these days and the racing is entertaining, but as you rightly say, the Super Touring era was brilliant and we'll never see that again.
We know Super Touring was expensive and unsustainable by the end, Ford's budget for the 2000 season was insane by touring car standards, but I always think the series lost something magical after the era ended.
@@allthekingshorses7178 you're right. Back in the 90's all the big makes were involved weren't they, plus some high profile drivers. What bought it home to me about how different it is now is that mechanics are mostly contractors now, whereas back in the day, they were employed directly by Williams Renault Engineering or whoever.
Funnily enough I was at the Knockhill meeting in 1999, and was lucky enough to chat away to James Thompson, he mentioned then that budgets were completely out of control and manufacturers just couldn't justify the cost of competing. Look at Ford's budget for 2000 and you'll see what I mean
James Thompson disappeared into obscurity in Europe driving a Lada shortly after this. Sad. He was an incredible talent. I wish he'd stayed in the UK racing with Plato and Neal. He was easily as fast as them.
@@Lightshock16 Yea, from 2009 onwards he raced for LADA in touring cars in Europe and the WTCC. Check his Wikipedia. I'd loved to have seen him back in BTCC
@@lth1072 after BTCC he got a works contract driving for Alfa in 05 and then SEAT in 06 in WTCC and did pretty well. Had a brilliant season with Alfa in 07 when they didn't have manufacturer support. I don't think it was bad choices after that...manufacturer seats in WTCC had already started dwindling by then. i don't blame him for the Lada seat, it was most likely either that or run a year old car with a privateer team and pay for the seat.
Like fk it is, NONE of this would be tolerated with the pussies today, SIM drivers with Girly paddle shifters, fkn shove modern boring Motorsport of today.....zzzzzz
No he's terrible Murray walker was much better . Also the commentary on F1 is terrible I don't watch anymore motorsport on TV because its just a show now
2001 was a bad season really, the vauxhall was the only car fully ready for racing, the peugeot was not really on form for a long time and no other manufacturer could really be bothered with it. The fall from grace between 99 and 01 was simply huge.
Went to Autosport show in 2002 and was on the BTCC stand. It was literally 4 Vauxhall drivers and the Astra. Compare that to the stand in 2013 when all the drivers were there. 2001-2005 were terrible seasons overall.
What a fucking shame that Pug shit the bed at Oulton...Soper was by far the best of the rest and only managed to get a career-ending injury to show for it.
2001-2006 was so bad for punting and not just Plato but yes, he was dirty! In fairness he is much calmer in recent years than this era. Watching 2001 again is just like bumper cars!
I don't think some of Platos moves were clean that's for sure but in fairness this particular season seemed too be tit for tat and alot of drivers were showing their dirty side. Muller had a habit of blaming people for his mistakes and acting like a bit of a brat on occasion but that's touring cars for you.
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Its a shame BTCC was split between two ideas in 2001. They should have scrapped trying to produce a budget car with a super touring look and just gotten fully behind the production class
2001 was a poor season, Charlie cox doesn't sound interested until the final few rounds. Its incredibly badly together compared to the 90s reviews. Plato/muller battle saved the season.
I know Super Touring got too expensive and unsustainable by the end, but this new formula just didn't do it for me. Dreadful season with thin grids, only the needle between Plato and Muller late on give it any semblance of respectability
Charlie is a terrible commentator.
I only watched this for the cars
Fantastic upload. I put this on the other day intending to just watch a bit, but ended up watching all of it! I used to own this on VHS back in the day. Plato and Muller had an incredible duel and it was only after reading Plato's recent book that I realised quite how toxic it all got.
The last two races at Brands Hatch were excellent, unfortunately the rest of the season before was awful imo. Thin grids and a Super Touring hungover (loved that era) sadly ensured this season was a dud for many
@@allthekingshorses7178 it was certainly different in 2001 wasn't it. The grids were really thin, but thankfully things improved in that regard in 2002.
It's great that the BTCC has grids of around 30 these days and the racing is entertaining, but as you rightly say, the Super Touring era was brilliant and we'll never see that again.
We know Super Touring was expensive and unsustainable by the end, Ford's budget for the 2000 season was insane by touring car standards, but I always think the series lost something magical after the era ended.
@@allthekingshorses7178 you're right. Back in the 90's all the big makes were involved weren't they, plus some high profile drivers.
What bought it home to me about how different it is now is that mechanics are mostly contractors now, whereas back in the day, they were employed directly by Williams Renault Engineering or whoever.
Funnily enough I was at the Knockhill meeting in 1999, and was lucky enough to chat away to James Thompson, he mentioned then that budgets were completely out of control and manufacturers just couldn't justify the cost of competing. Look at Ford's budget for 2000 and you'll see what I mean
Knockhill btcc 2001 marks Gordon sheddens first appearance in the btcc he went on to win three btcc titles
3?
You know 3 btcc titles with Honda
I've watched the first 6 rounds, up to the 30 minute mark. Why not once have they shown the Championship points after races? Really frustrating!!
00:01:37 is the exact moment when Matt Neal decides to sit the rest of the season out and give the ETCC a go!
James Thompson disappeared into obscurity in Europe driving a Lada shortly after this. Sad. He was an incredible talent. I wish he'd stayed in the UK racing with Plato and Neal. He was easily as fast as them.
Wait, he was the BTCC champion of 2002 and 2004?
@@Lightshock16 Yea, he was. He made some odd choices for his career. After BTCC , he went to race for LADA . He's still only 48 yrs old now.
@@lth1072 interesting. Didn’t realise that’s the path he chose.
@@Lightshock16 Yea, from 2009 onwards he raced for LADA in touring cars in Europe and the WTCC. Check his Wikipedia. I'd loved to have seen him back in BTCC
@@lth1072 after BTCC he got a works contract driving for Alfa in 05 and then SEAT in 06 in WTCC and did pretty well. Had a brilliant season with Alfa in 07 when they didn't have manufacturer support. I don't think it was bad choices after that...manufacturer seats in WTCC had already started dwindling by then. i don't blame him for the Lada seat, it was most likely either that or run a year old car with a privateer team and pay for the seat.
Charlie Cox is the best BTCC commentator ever. Charlie and Murray would have been the ultimate team.
I'm sure they did at least some of the 1997 season together.
they were in 1997
They did Bathurst a couple of times I’m sure
This was the start of touring cars being in the doldrums for a long time the racing is finally now mega again
Like fk it is, NONE of this would be tolerated with the pussies today, SIM drivers with Girly paddle shifters, fkn shove modern boring Motorsport of today.....zzzzzz
How come Matt Neal only did the opening round at Brands Hatch
@@allthekingshorses7178 Problems with sponsorship
The Altezza / IS200 could've been the crowd favorite given it might been the only RWD car in the BTC Touring class.
A shame it was terribly underdeveloped
The alfa 147 was sooooo cool
if they had used the beams engine rather than the anemic straight 6
The Production drivers made a lot of this year very entertaining with the small Super Touring grids.
But the alfa 147 was sooooooo cool
Charlie Cox was a great commentator. 👍
He had a unique way with words.
@@nicholasjones9705 "Oh Steve, he's definitely gone for an early Carafe in that cabbage field." (Sir Cox circa 1998)
No he's terrible
Murray walker was much better .
Also the commentary on F1 is terrible
I don't watch anymore motorsport on TV because its just a show now
Charlie Cox Australian like me
Look at 1:24:06 the Alfa Romeo is pulling in the pits who was that driver pulling into the pits Tim Harvey or tom ferrier
@2:08:19 that's a cool shot. Don't see anything like that now.
It looks like a shot from a video game. Pretty cool.
Yeah a cracking one
Jesus, Phil Bennett was a complete liability wasn't he?
Every round he was into the back of someone. Played a part in ending Steve Soper's racing career.
@@electroid8119 I believe Soper has returned to amateur racing now
@@adsuyohd4822 thankfully yes
Since when did 2001 look so old? feels like only yesterday! 🤣
42:08 Charlie Cox Fred Flintstone Say's YABBA DABBA DOO!
Having the two classes running in the same race was Ace.
Phil Bennet has to be the biggest nob to ever grace the btcc grid
Looks like Steve soper is the only one in the Peugeot to race here at knockhill
2001 was a bad season really, the vauxhall was the only car fully ready for racing, the peugeot was not really on form for a long time and no other manufacturer could really be bothered with it. The fall from grace between 99 and 01 was simply huge.
The alfa 147 was soooo cool though when it didn't break down
Sad to see the beginning of the end the btcc that season, just not the same super tourers
Phil Bennett was suspended from oulton park for doing the aggressive driving with soper at croft
Went to Autosport show in 2002 and was on the BTCC stand. It was literally 4 Vauxhall drivers and the Astra. Compare that to the stand in 2013 when all the drivers were there. 2001-2005 were terrible seasons overall.
Anyone know why the MGs were so late in entering?
Late decision to enter so WSR has no time to get ready, the final showing is more like a test of cars.
The ZT's were at Longbridge in the test and rebuild centre..! The rumours were all over about the drivers ..?
Ben Edwards did the commentary in the different channel
No he didn't.
Yes I’ve just watch touring car legends and he did
@Ade Matthews great correction. Your parents must be proud.
Yeah
Someone spinning Matt Neal is unusual that's his favourite pass normally tap the arse of the car ahead to pass
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2:00:42 The debut of Andy Priaulx.
A year to forget for Matt neal
What a fucking shame that Pug shit the bed at Oulton...Soper was by far the best of the rest and only managed to get a career-ending injury to show for it.
0:30
Sound like lmp2 v8 2017 era
One of the worst if not the worst btcc season
Plato has to be the living embodiment of the word ‘Arsehole’.
This has to be one of the worst seasons ever, terrible grid.
But the alfa 147 was there
Plato dirty as ever
He had good reason to be that season.
2001-2006 was so bad for punting and not just Plato but yes, he was dirty! In fairness he is much calmer in recent years than this era. Watching 2001 again is just like bumper cars!
Muller deserved eyerything Plato gave him.
@@sunray2818 why?
I don't think some of Platos moves were clean that's for sure but in fairness this particular season seemed too be tit for tat and alot of drivers were showing their dirty side. Muller had a habit of blaming people for his mistakes and acting like a bit of a brat on occasion but that's touring cars for you.
Was there only 3 or 4 teams this year?