600 dollars to do a drain and fill is outrageous for something like this. Unless they are doing other recommended services and an inspection as a package.
The CVTFE fluid is the most expensive part of this whole process. Very easy to do. No need to remove the tire if you don’t have a post lift. Just turn full left since the car needs to be level when you refill. The best way to refill is with the $12 Harbor Freight “Battery Operated liquid transfer pump” (item #63847) you can get it on sale for $6
This is by far the best video I’ve seen on this! So clear and too the point but also gives all the information you could possibly need. Thank you so much! You’re a great teacher
Hey Moose have a great weekend! Thanks for video, i can't stand CVTs, but my car has one.. harder to avoid nowadays. My last car the CVT started acting wierd at 145,000miles so I traded it in. Could be worse
Hey, thanks for the feedback. I'm not a big fan of CVTs either and I don't think I would personally own one. CVT transmissions have a very finite lifespan, however they are improving over the years and I believe Toyota makes one of the best ones out there that seem to last a lot longer than other manufacturers. These transmissions are built by Aisin and Toyota owns at least 1/4 or 1/3 of the company and Aisin typically is made from Japan and they build only quality parts. The EPA has forced manufacturer's to meet certain fuel efficiency and pollution standards and so the manufacturer's are always coming up with new and creative ideas to put such things into vehicles mainly because of the EPA pushing them towards the edge of the cliff. CVTs are much lighter and more efficient than a conventional automatic. Only time will tell now as to where all of this will go in the future. I know some early generation Nissans were prone to CVT failure, but most CVTs have improved over the years now and they are all getting better in all vehicles. Maintenance is the key though to help them last a little longer.
Filter was not changed as it is not necessary on these particular vehicles as well as it is very low mileage. Usually on the domestic vehicles they require replacement. You can change it if you want, but it will add additional expense to the bill. The customer does not want to pay extra to change the filter. The filter only needs to be changed if there is contamination in the transmission, otherwise it is not a necessary item to replace. In order to replace all of the fluid you will need to disconnect one of the cooler lines to flush all of the fluid out.
@@moosemobileautorepair thank you for clear answer👍. Anyway if you will make or find any video regarding how to flush all fluid from corolla k313 cvt transmission pls tag me if possible. Thanks for sharing
Would you mind sharing the parts number of the 1L FE fluid.? I can only find the 4L pack. Also, is it needed to do the oil pump air bleeding before drain out the CVT fluid?
Can you please tell me what torque to use for 1) pan bolts 2) inside 3 filter bolts 3) plastic drain plug 4) main metal drain plug 5) the bolt where we put transmission oil in?
Pan bolts are 69 in-lbs or about 5.75 ft-lbs, the fill plug is 36 ft-lbs. The rest unsure offhand, but I just did them hand tight and then snugged them up with a stubby ratchet.
I don't get why you have to drain the excess fluid. Toyota told me my 2017 Toyota Corolla takes 4 quarts. When all the fluid was drained by taking both plugs, all we had to do is pump the 4 quarts in. The bottom part of the pan works like a reservoir to hold the excess fluid. I don't see a reason to drain the excess fluid. Can you elaborate, please?
This transmission does not have a dipstick and so the only proper way to check the level is to get it to the specified operating temperature as stated in the video. The bottom drain plug is actually called an overflow plug because the fluid over flows past the plastic stopper that is inside the pan. There is a plastic overflow tube/stopper inside the pan where the drain plug comes out of. When fluid reaches at or above this plastic stopper the "excess" fluid will drain out. You have to overfill the transmission slightly so you can check the level. That is what is meant by excess fluid. The amount of fluid that comes out does not matter, but what matters is what is inside the transmission and pan. The stopper inside the pan has a specific height to where the fluid needs to be so anything above that will drain out. That stopper is what is preventing the rest of the fluid from draining out when the vehicle/engine is running. If you just drain and put what came out you still need to check the fluid level to know if the level is where it's supposed to be at.
@@moosemobileautorepair Thank you for responding but you got me more lost than ever before. I understand that there is no dipstick to check the fluid level. Toyota intentionally removed it. I believe the operating temperature of the transmission fluid is about the same temperature as the coolant which is around 195°. I think you meant the optimum temperature to check the fluid level is between 95° and 130°. Let us assume the car has been driven only 100K in km. If we leave this car levelled on the hoist overnight and in the morning we take off the drain plug with the fluid at room temperature, would there be fluid following out? This car has been properly filled out at factory and had no leaks or other issues. I am sure about a quart is going to leak out. Can we put the plug back and say the level is good and drive? I don't think so because I think this car left the factory properly filled and we just released about a quart out. So, it has to be low on fluid now. Whether it is an engine or a transmission, I get the amount of fluid I need from the dealer and dump that in. Toyota probably left out the dipstick because it doesn't want me to mess with it. If overflow occurs at 130°, then there is more overflow at 195°. Are we going to let that fluid out?
@@moethedeaf2746is the car running though? You are measuring between 95F - 113F (how do they come up with these #? lol. Nissan CVT is different. So it’s relatively “cool” fluid for a machine). They set it to expand. Sometimes you can’t assume factory fill is correct. And also getting it inch perfect might not be that big of a deal (if it’s slightly overfilled by 200cc?). Another guy adds a 1/4L to all his transmissions… Cheers
@moethedeaf2746 When the CVT gets filled at the CVT factory theres very little fluid in the drain pan. Then it gets shipped and installed in a car, then the CVT oil gets up to operating temp and gets splashed around, and a bunch of that gets into the bottom part of the drain pan. Now when you want to do a drain and fill to you have to drain the bottom part of the pan and the top part when you removed the overfill stopper. Then to get back to factory levels you have to overfill the top part until there's very little oil in the bottom part at a certain temp. Then you drive off and oil will get into the drain pan again through normal operations. Now you could drain out 4 quarts of room temperature oil and pump in the exact amount of room temperature oil and in theory it will work, but it's not as precise and repeatable as the OEM procedure.
@@moethedeaf2746 you are incorrect. CVT fluid is very sensetive to temp. too cold it contracts ALOT too hot it expands ALOT. so if you fill too cold the level would be too high when gets to operating temp if fill when too hot it will be too low at cold operating temp.
Genuine question. 2016 Toyota corolla Le CVT 102k miles mostly city driving. Should I change the fluid or could I cause more harm than good? Dealership says NO DO NOT TOUCH IT it will cause slippage and failure at this point since it's high milage. I have zero issues with the vehicle I just want to extend its life but I'm scared fresh fluid will cause an issue as they say. I want to either drain and fill a few times or drop the pan and replace the filter as well.
You should service it as the transmission will fail eventually if you don't service it and keep driving it the way it is. You should be OK if you do a couple or a few drain and fills. Changing the filter is also a good idea too. It's not an old car so there shouldn't be any reason for the transmission to fail if you service it. If you decide to drop the pan and change out the filter, I would have a close look at the magnets in the pan. If there is little metallic debris on it then you will most likely be fine and that the transmission will last a long time. However, if you find a lot of metallic debris on the magnets and in the fluid, then it will indicate there will be future problems and the transmission will not last very long.
The customer only pays me for a drain and fill so that's all I do. We are not changing the filter and we are not dropping the pan unless the customer wants to pay for it. Most customers do not want to do that service so I just do the basic service only. Dropping the pan and changing the filter and gasket is not necessary on Toyota vehicles if the transmission is routinely maintained. A drain and fill service is more than enough on these vehicles. No shop is going to drop the pan and change the filter and gasket unless you specifically request for that service.
@@moosemobileautorepair According to toyota, you don't have to change the fluid either. Obviously, any filter that is actually filtering anything will experience decreased flow as the filter collects particles from the fluid. That's how filters work.
It's an optional maintenance item. Transmission filters work differently than other typical filters like oil filters. They are not subjected to the same harsh conditions like engines are. Transmission fluid can run and stay clean for a long time unlike engines that are subjected to blowby gases, byproducts of combustion, fuel dilution, etc. It's better if you have the money to change it, but otherwise not required. I have seen many vehicles with a drain plug on the pan go for well over 300 k Kilometers or more and still on the original Transmission and filter. Never had any problems. However, on some domestic vehicles like GM, Ford, Chrysler, etc. You have to drop the pan and change the filter, etc. because there is no serviceable drain plug on the original pans. Toyota dealerships don't replace those filters and just the fluid for drain and fill service. They will tell you it is "Lifetime" fluid, but nothing is lifetime. I work on customer vehicles so I just do what I recommend and what they can afford. A lot of people won't change those filters anyway, but again if you can change it it's better if not it won't be the end of the world.
You guys are misinformed and have not learned from experience. I got my 2015 Corolla used. Because of that, I immediately did a transmission fluid change and I dropped the pan and put in a new strainer(filter). I have done this many times with my other cars and family’s cars. When it’s a strainer instead of a true filter it’s only meant to catch larger metal pieces. The rest gets through. Now, I have done transmissions before where it’s more of a real filter but you will have a hard time finding those nowadays. Proof that it does very little is that if all the ones I’ve ever done, NONE have been clogged or looked dirty. There was nothing to clean because everything gets through. I basically bought a new one for my Toyota for nothing as I have always done. It was the last time I buy a strainer again. If the filter is outside the transmission like on the 2007 CR-V I had then I will change it. On that one the filter is inside a metal cylinder so you can’t see if it’s a strainer or filter. Cheap part and easy to do so no problem there. Just change your fluid every 30,000 miles and you will always have a clean unit. 40,000 is ok and 50,000 should be the max. If the bolt has a magnet, wipe it down. That stuff goes right through the strainer. Remember to make sure the fluid you put in is at about the same temperature as the fluid in the car. Let the car cool down for hours then put it in. I understand a mechanic shop can’t be doing that if a car came in and the customer is waiting. Tranny fluid expands with heat.
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Now I'm willing to save my self $600 that the dealer wants to charge , great video thanks
600 dollars to do a drain and fill is outrageous for something like this. Unless they are doing other recommended services and an inspection as a package.
The CVTFE fluid is the most expensive part of this whole process. Very easy to do. No need to remove the tire if you don’t have a post lift. Just turn full left since the car needs to be level when you refill. The best way to refill is with the $12 Harbor Freight “Battery Operated liquid transfer pump” (item #63847) you can get it on sale for $6
This is by far the best video I’ve seen on this! So clear and too the point but also gives all the information you could possibly need. Thank you so much! You’re a great teacher
That self-made pump is awesome man!
Excellent Job
I love this video. thank you. Tip to viewers, watch at 1.5 speed.
Excellently explained, very detailed, not in a rush.
Thanks a million.
Glad it was helpful!
Great job my man. Keep up the good work. Helped a lot!
Hey Moose have a great weekend! Thanks for video, i can't stand CVTs, but my car has one.. harder to avoid nowadays. My last car the CVT started acting wierd at 145,000miles so I traded it in. Could be worse
Hey, thanks for the feedback. I'm not a big fan of CVTs either and I don't think I would personally own one. CVT transmissions have a very finite lifespan, however they are improving over the years and I believe Toyota makes one of the best ones out there that seem to last a lot longer than other manufacturers. These transmissions are built by Aisin and Toyota owns at least 1/4 or 1/3 of the company and Aisin typically is made from Japan and they build only quality parts.
The EPA has forced manufacturer's to meet certain fuel efficiency and pollution standards and so the manufacturer's are always coming up with new and creative ideas to put such things into vehicles mainly because of the EPA pushing them towards the edge of the cliff. CVTs are much lighter and more efficient than a conventional automatic. Only time will tell now as to where all of this will go in the future.
I know some early generation Nissans were prone to CVT failure, but most CVTs have improved over the years now and they are all getting better in all vehicles. Maintenance is the key though to help them last a little longer.
Good video bro, good luck ❤
Thank you so much.
Great job
Big help Thankyou legend
Not a problem. You're most welcome.
How many litres of CVT oil did you use please
why filter not changed? what is the correct procedure to change all fluid ?
Filter was not changed as it is not necessary on these particular vehicles as well as it is very low mileage. Usually on the domestic vehicles they require replacement. You can change it if you want, but it will add additional expense to the bill. The customer does not want to pay extra to change the filter. The filter only needs to be changed if there is contamination in the transmission, otherwise it is not a necessary item to replace.
In order to replace all of the fluid you will need to disconnect one of the cooler lines to flush all of the fluid out.
@@moosemobileautorepair thank you for clear answer👍. Anyway if you will make or find any video regarding how to flush all fluid from corolla k313 cvt transmission pls tag me if possible. Thanks for sharing
How much fluid came out after warming up please
Would you mind sharing the parts number of the 1L FE fluid.? I can only find the 4L pack. Also, is it needed to do the oil pump air bleeding before drain out the CVT fluid?
If you buy from Toyota they sale only 1 litar botles
I like the video very informative but you fail to share the scan tool diagnostic what kind is it 🥴
Launch X431 V3
@@moosemobileautorepairthank you
Can you please tell me what torque to use for
1) pan bolts
2) inside 3 filter bolts
3) plastic drain plug
4) main metal drain plug
5) the bolt where we put transmission oil in?
Its for toyota corolla 2018 zre182r model
Pan bolts are 69 in-lbs or about 5.75 ft-lbs, the fill plug is 36 ft-lbs. The rest unsure offhand, but I just did them hand tight and then snugged them up with a stubby ratchet.
What liquid are you using to wash the pan with at the end?
Brake cleaner.
Is this the same process for 2015 Toyota Corolla?
Should be the same/similar procedures starting with the 2014 model year Corolla and up.
@@moosemobileautorepair thanks for the info.
Same for all K313 transmissions (14-19), look on your door panel like he shows in the video.
Thank You for your time! 🦾
I don't get why you have to drain the excess fluid. Toyota told me my 2017 Toyota Corolla takes 4 quarts. When all the fluid was drained by taking both plugs, all we had to do is pump the 4 quarts in. The bottom part of the pan works like a reservoir to hold the excess fluid. I don't see a reason to drain the excess fluid. Can you elaborate, please?
This transmission does not have a dipstick and so the only proper way to check the level is to get it to the specified operating temperature as stated in the video. The bottom drain plug is actually called an overflow plug because the fluid over flows past the plastic stopper that is inside the pan. There is a plastic overflow tube/stopper inside the pan where the drain plug comes out of. When fluid reaches at or above this plastic stopper the "excess" fluid will drain out. You have to overfill the transmission slightly so you can check the level. That is what is meant by excess fluid. The amount of fluid that comes out does not matter, but what matters is what is inside the transmission and pan. The stopper inside the pan has a specific height to where the fluid needs to be so anything above that will drain out. That stopper is what is preventing the rest of the fluid from draining out when the vehicle/engine is running.
If you just drain and put what came out you still need to check the fluid level to know if the level is where it's supposed to be at.
@@moosemobileautorepair Thank you for responding but you got me more lost than ever before. I understand that there is no dipstick to check the fluid level. Toyota intentionally removed it. I believe the operating temperature of the transmission fluid is about the same temperature as the coolant which is around 195°. I think you meant the optimum temperature to check the fluid level is between 95° and 130°. Let us assume the car has been driven only 100K in km. If we leave this car levelled on the hoist overnight and in the morning we take off the drain plug with the fluid at room temperature, would there be fluid following out? This car has been properly filled out at factory and had no leaks or other issues. I am sure about a quart is going to leak out. Can we put the plug back and say the level is good and drive? I don't think so because I think this car left the factory properly filled and we just released about a quart out. So, it has to be low on fluid now. Whether it is an engine or a transmission, I get the amount of fluid I need from the dealer and dump that in. Toyota probably left out the dipstick because it doesn't want me to mess with it. If overflow occurs at 130°, then there is more overflow at 195°. Are we going to let that fluid out?
@@moethedeaf2746is the car running though? You are measuring between 95F - 113F (how do they come up with these #? lol. Nissan CVT is different. So it’s relatively “cool” fluid for a machine). They set it to expand. Sometimes you can’t assume factory fill is correct. And also getting it inch perfect might not be that big of a deal (if it’s slightly overfilled by 200cc?). Another guy adds a 1/4L to all his transmissions… Cheers
@moethedeaf2746 When the CVT gets filled at the CVT factory theres very little fluid in the drain pan. Then it gets shipped and installed in a car, then the CVT oil gets up to operating temp and gets splashed around, and a bunch of that gets into the bottom part of the drain pan.
Now when you want to do a drain and fill to you have to drain the bottom part of the pan and the top part when you removed the overfill stopper. Then to get back to factory levels you have to overfill the top part until there's very little oil in the bottom part at a certain temp. Then you drive off and oil will get into the drain pan again through normal operations.
Now you could drain out 4 quarts of room temperature oil and pump in the exact amount of room temperature oil and in theory it will work, but it's not as precise and repeatable as the OEM procedure.
@@moethedeaf2746 you are incorrect. CVT fluid is very sensetive to temp. too cold it contracts ALOT too hot it expands ALOT. so if you fill too cold the level would be too high when gets to operating temp if fill when too hot it will be too low at cold operating temp.
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Genuine question.
2016 Toyota corolla Le CVT
102k miles mostly city driving.
Should I change the fluid or could I cause more harm than good? Dealership says NO DO NOT TOUCH IT it will cause slippage and failure at this point since it's high milage.
I have zero issues with the vehicle I just want to extend its life but I'm scared fresh fluid will cause an issue as they say.
I want to either drain and fill a few times or drop the pan and replace the filter as well.
You should service it as the transmission will fail eventually if you don't service it and keep driving it the way it is. You should be OK if you do a couple or a few drain and fills. Changing the filter is also a good idea too. It's not an old car so there shouldn't be any reason for the transmission to fail if you service it.
If you decide to drop the pan and change out the filter, I would have a close look at the magnets in the pan. If there is little metallic debris on it then you will most likely be fine and that the transmission will last a long time. However, if you find a lot of metallic debris on the magnets and in the fluid, then it will indicate there will be future problems and the transmission will not last very long.
You didn't even drop the pan and change the filter. All you did was change a little fluid.
The customer only pays me for a drain and fill so that's all I do. We are not changing the filter and we are not dropping the pan unless the customer wants to pay for it.
Most customers do not want to do that service so I just do the basic service only.
Dropping the pan and changing the filter and gasket is not necessary on Toyota vehicles if the transmission is routinely maintained. A drain and fill service is more than enough on these vehicles.
No shop is going to drop the pan and change the filter and gasket unless you specifically request for that service.
@@moosemobileautorepair According to toyota, you don't have to change the fluid either. Obviously, any filter that is actually filtering anything will experience decreased flow as the filter collects particles from the fluid. That's how filters work.
It's an optional maintenance item. Transmission filters work differently than other typical filters like oil filters. They are not subjected to the same harsh conditions like engines are. Transmission fluid can run and stay clean for a long time unlike engines that are subjected to blowby gases, byproducts of combustion, fuel dilution, etc. It's better if you have the money to change it, but otherwise not required. I have seen many vehicles with a drain plug on the pan go for well over 300 k Kilometers or more and still on the original Transmission and filter. Never had any problems.
However, on some domestic vehicles like GM, Ford, Chrysler, etc. You have to drop the pan and change the filter, etc. because there is no serviceable drain plug on the original pans.
Toyota dealerships don't replace those filters and just the fluid for drain and fill service. They will tell you it is "Lifetime" fluid, but nothing is lifetime.
I work on customer vehicles so I just do what I recommend and what they can afford. A lot of people won't change those filters anyway, but again if you can change it it's better if not it won't be the end of the world.
@@moosemobileautorepairoh ya Toyota life time ...yes by the warranty is over..
You guys are misinformed and have not learned from experience. I got my 2015 Corolla used. Because of that, I immediately did a transmission fluid change and I dropped the pan and put in a new strainer(filter). I have done this many times with my other cars and family’s cars.
When it’s a strainer instead of a true filter it’s only meant to catch larger metal pieces. The rest gets through. Now, I have done transmissions before where it’s more of a real filter but you will have a hard time finding those nowadays. Proof that it does very little is that if all the ones I’ve ever done, NONE have been clogged or looked dirty. There was nothing to clean because everything gets through. I basically bought a new one for my Toyota for nothing as I have always done. It was the last time I buy a strainer again.
If the filter is outside the transmission like on the 2007 CR-V I had then I will change it. On that one the filter is inside a metal cylinder so you can’t see if it’s a strainer or filter. Cheap part and easy to do so no problem there.
Just change your fluid every 30,000 miles and you will always have a clean unit. 40,000 is ok and 50,000 should be the max. If the bolt has a magnet, wipe it down. That stuff goes right through the strainer.
Remember to make sure the fluid you put in is at about the same temperature as the fluid in the car. Let the car cool down for hours then put it in. I understand a mechanic shop can’t be doing that if a car came in and the customer is waiting. Tranny fluid expands with heat.