Non-Euclidean Geometry Explained - Hyperbolica Devlog #1

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  • Опубликовано: 30 апр 2024
  • I present the easiest way to understand curved spaces, in both hyperbolic and spherical geometries. This is the first in a series about the development of Hyperbolica.
    Chapters:
    0:00 Intro
    0:24 Spherical Geometry
    2:33 Hyperbolic Introduction
    3:53 Projections
    5:37 Non-Euclidean Weirdness
    8:31 Non-Euclidean Formulas
    10:20 Outro
    Hyperbolica
    Trailer: • Hyperbolica: A Non-Euc...
    Steam Page: store.steampowered.com/app/12...
    Merch: crowdmade.com/collections/cod...
    Henry Segerman
    / @henryseg
    • Illuminating hyperboli...
    HyperRogue
    roguetemple.com/z/hyper/
    If you like the things I do and want to support the channel:
    / codeparade
    ko-fi.com/codeparade
    Music:
    "Glass Waves" By Phil K
    www.phil-makes.com/noise

Комментарии • 3,7 тыс.

  • @outdateduser7036
    @outdateduser7036 3 года назад +9016

    When you stop paying attention in calculus for 3 seconds

    • @illyias
      @illyias 3 года назад +195

      Too real

    • @RadeDobison
      @RadeDobison 3 года назад +118

      holy shit how did you do that lol

    • @axion986
      @axion986 3 года назад +43

      Sorry can someone explain this to me? I didn't take calculus and now I feel left out.

    • @Legendnewer
      @Legendnewer 3 года назад +224

      @@axion986 Basically you lost track of everything, you don't understand anything of what the professor is saying, it can be any topic but calculus is a prime example

    • @Nekiplex
      @Nekiplex 3 года назад +21

      We dont even need to know calculous in my country so i have no clue what it is. it is taught but you have to finish school. Its litterally not an option for any GCSE math tests. So you could just never know about it for your entire life

  • @Starnoxiar
    @Starnoxiar 3 года назад +5796

    "But first we have to talk about parallel universes" nice.

    • @icicleditor
      @icicleditor 3 года назад +262

      I’ll be honest, that killed me.

    • @wacesferpit
      @wacesferpit 3 года назад +339

      specially love the Mario 64 extra reference with the music

    • @ber2996
      @ber2996 3 года назад +125

      To answer that, we need to talk about parallel universes

    • @OneShot_cest_mieux
      @OneShot_cest_mieux 3 года назад +50

      I think it's a reference to the youtube channel TerminalMontage

    • @yasd8493
      @yasd8493 3 года назад +208

      @@OneShot_cest_mieux *Pannenkoek2012
      The meme started there

  • @lordvincenteperez4196
    @lordvincenteperez4196 2 года назад +627

    can you just imagine beings of 4D using our 3D to explain 5D

    • @tyresefarrell
      @tyresefarrell Год назад +62

      Quite literally no🤣

    • @shouvik8267
      @shouvik8267 Год назад +63

      We perceive 3d with 2d images, so 4d beings would be able to percieve 4d with 3d images. It's like looking at all sides of a cube at the same time, but sadly I can't even begin to imagine it for I am confined within limits of 1d brain.

    • @NotRealChatGPT
      @NotRealChatGPT Год назад +13

      @@shouvik8267 i have a 0d brain

    • @reizinhodojogo3956
      @reizinhodojogo3956 Год назад +6

      @@shouvik8267 transparent cube: bro where i am i don't exist?

    • @NotRealChatGPT
      @NotRealChatGPT Год назад

      @@reizinhodojogo3956 no because i'm going on a walk and i and you are just being mad and not just being scared 😟 not being a pain to you help you with this and your life in your hand ✋ and a dream 🛌 and a new life you are a beautiful 🤩 woman 👩 you can do nothing but like 👍 you don't need a job that i you have no way more to get it into the center island 🏝️

  • @entitydotexe6138
    @entitydotexe6138 2 года назад +343

    CodeParade: "Stay Hyperbolic"
    Me: *proceeds to occupy the entire volume of the universe*

    • @lullabypoppera3914
      @lullabypoppera3914 2 года назад +16

      There's not enough room for the two of us!

    • @placeholdername3907
      @placeholdername3907 Год назад +3

      @@lullabypoppera3914 then we're just gonna have to share
      *cue just the two of us

    • @lavasqrl702
      @lavasqrl702 Год назад +5

      @@lullabypoppera3914 Correction: Three! That's right, I sort of understood it! *proceeds to occupy the entire volume of the multiverse*

    • @jackgreenearth452
      @jackgreenearth452 Год назад +1

      @@lullabypoppera3914 Just kidding! There's plenty of room here in hyperbolic space! (paraphrased from Hyperbolica because I can't be bothered to open up the game and talk to that guy in the badlands just for a youtube comment)

  • @Roter_Wolf
    @Roter_Wolf 3 года назад +1047

    "Honey, can you knit me some non-euclidean planes?"

    • @Jellyjam14blas
      @Jellyjam14blas 3 года назад +14

      Lmao 😂

    • @xoddampro405
      @xoddampro405 3 года назад +8

      no :)

    • @warny1978
      @warny1978 3 года назад +9

      "Look at me eviscerating you, and you'll see some hyperbolic intestines"
      "Are you sure"
      "I was joking, here it is"

    • @omnificatorg4426
      @omnificatorg4426 3 года назад +10

      Search for Crocheting adventures in hyperbolic world

    • @columbus8myhw
      @columbus8myhw 3 года назад +4

      Daina Taimina did a nice Ted talk on hyperbolic crochet: ruclips.net/video/w1TBZhd-sN0/видео.html

  • @TheVoidIsBees
    @TheVoidIsBees 3 года назад +1922

    I feel like I just gained 100 braincells but lost 300 points psychic damage.

    • @Astlaus
      @Astlaus 3 года назад +190

      That's what math does to you. You gain insight, but you lose sanity.

    • @nintendofan222222222
      @nintendofan222222222 3 года назад +70

      I always knew math was black magic

    • @joda7697
      @joda7697 3 года назад +45

      @@Astlaus Thats a good description. I first had that when learning about cardinal numbers. Like, why the fuck are there just as many fractions as Integers, allthough the integers are a subset?! But then i learned why and booom, insight + psychic damage.

    • @CrescentUmbreon
      @CrescentUmbreon 3 года назад +15

      So it's Bloodborne.
      Oh god

    • @sameman6884
      @sameman6884 3 года назад +25

      +1 intelligence
      -10 HP

  • @verylostdoommarauder
    @verylostdoommarauder 2 года назад +286

    Now I understand the lovecraftian horror of non-euclidean geometry better now. If it's this confusing to us, imagine what geometry would be like for an eldritch horror.

    • @lullabypoppera3914
      @lullabypoppera3914 2 года назад +7

      It's simple really

    • @efegokselkisioglu8218
      @efegokselkisioglu8218 Год назад +7

      @@lullabypoppera3914 how old are you?

    • @robyngwendolynshiloh5277
      @robyngwendolynshiloh5277 Год назад +4

      Now it makes me wonder how the final season of the Magnus Archives looked

    • @Two-BallTyrone
      @Two-BallTyrone Год назад +7

      @@efegokselkisioglu8218 counter-argument, how old are you if you can’t get a joke?

    • @wrongturnVfor
      @wrongturnVfor Год назад

      I think euclidean geometry is more horrific than hyperbolic. It confines your mind too much

  • @rosearachnid879
    @rosearachnid879 2 года назад +57

    “Hyperbolic crochet”
    Come on in, sir. That’s the right password.

  • @MilesMetal
    @MilesMetal 3 года назад +2026

    "So I hope that's given all of you a little better understanding of curved spaces..."
    ...he says as the last remnants of my brain leak out of my ear.

    • @hyperbeast4340
      @hyperbeast4340 2 года назад +70

      Wait, if a black hole is spherical geometry, are white holes hyperbolic?

    • @proloycodes
      @proloycodes 2 года назад +22

      @@hyperbeast4340 maybe

    • @Armoire68
      @Armoire68 2 года назад +11

      The perfect crossover doesn't exi...

    • @karynjohnson
      @karynjohnson 2 года назад +6

      But I understood more and I am twelve years old. I am too nerdy for my own good

    • @MilesMetal
      @MilesMetal 2 года назад +41

      @@karynjohnson You will read your comment in 10 years and cringe.

  • @etourdie
    @etourdie 3 года назад +2827

    Greenland looks like it's about the size of Africa, but in reality it's about the size of Greenland
    -Map Men

    • @BrightyLighty_
      @BrightyLighty_ 3 года назад +60

      ruclips.net/video/jtBV3GgQLg8/видео.html for the uninitiated

    • @coyraig8332
      @coyraig8332 3 года назад +44

      Map Men MAP Men MAP MAP men men

    • @d.l.7416
      @d.l.7416 3 года назад +44

      It’s actually MAP men MAP men MAP MAP MAP men men men

    • @gregli9821
      @gregli9821 3 года назад +31

      @@d.l.7416 MAP men MAP men MAP MAP MAP men men
      men

    • @Tomajdafrytrix
      @Tomajdafrytrix 3 года назад +3

      map men map men map map map men men

  • @karynjohnson
    @karynjohnson 2 года назад +272

    Hey CodeParade! That knitting of the hyperbolic plane was really amazing. The first one with the squares is very unique and I haven’t been able to find it anywhere on the internet. So I’ve been making my own with a large piece of fabric cutting it into squares and drawing the black outline then stitching them together. I’m 12. Your video has really inspired me to look into hyperbolic geometry more. Thanks CodeParade. Hope this comment doesn’t get buried.

    • @CodeParade
      @CodeParade  2 года назад +70

      That's awesome! Yeah, I couldn't find anything like it online either. The closest thing I found is this skirt, it uses pentagons instead of squares, but it's the same idea: blog.andreahawksley.com/hyperbolic-airplane-skirt/

    • @Queer_Nerd_For_Human_Justice
      @Queer_Nerd_For_Human_Justice Год назад +11

      @@CodeParade Oh hey, she's friends with vi hart! Dang, small world. more people should do stuff like this ^^

    • @The_Moth1
      @The_Moth1 Год назад +3

      @@Queer_Nerd_For_Human_Justiceis she the flexagon person?

    • @disco-ifinite-easy
      @disco-ifinite-easy 8 месяцев назад

      yes
      @@The_Moth1

    • @wendysanchez3024
      @wendysanchez3024 3 месяца назад +1

      I've been searching to find something like the one with the squares. I'm teaching a course on non-Euclidean geometries, and I'd love to have one of those. Did you say your wife made it? Would she be willing to sell one ?

  • @kirbee1113
    @kirbee1113 2 года назад +16

    Bro the "First I'll have to talk about parallel universes" had me DEAD LMAO. Shoutouts to pannenkoek2012!

  • @PleasentDddd
    @PleasentDddd 3 года назад +2702

    “All the angles are 0 and the area is pi.”
    As someone who loves geometry, this statement really through me off.

    • @yuvs0
      @yuvs0 3 года назад +302

      PleasentDddd I guess you just gotta think it threw a little...

    • @PleasentDddd
      @PleasentDddd 3 года назад +99

      Yuvraj Sethia frick

    • @viktornicht260
      @viktornicht260 3 года назад +172

      As someone who also loves geometry, it really turned me on lol

    • @Waterwolf221
      @Waterwolf221 3 года назад +33

      threw*

    • @anrriveradxndsigamer1495
      @anrriveradxndsigamer1495 3 года назад +5

      I’m hungry now

  • @carykh
    @carykh 3 года назад +5990

    whoa, that's crazy that you can figure out the areas of triangles just by knowing its angles. It feels like there's something missing in the formula but there's not!

    • @papskormsepic7670
      @papskormsepic7670 3 года назад +361

      whats a triangle

    • @jellevanderdrift1302
      @jellevanderdrift1302 3 года назад +60

      I think the channel 'think twice' has a video about the derivation.

    • @benlev3375
      @benlev3375 3 года назад +52

      It's a curved space so I think that the only radius/length is scaled by pi, so pi is defined maximum when projecting onto a 2D space.

    • @friedkeenan
      @friedkeenan 3 года назад +136

      Yeah that blew my mind. At first when he said there was no Euclidean equivalent, I thought "What? You can find the area of a triangle in Euclidean space, it's just 0.5bh" but then he said only using the angles and my whole concept of reality disintegrated. Btw, love your videos, cary

    • @vari1535
      @vari1535 3 года назад +31

      hi cary

  • @99kylies15
    @99kylies15 2 года назад +20

    'isnt that neat?' while talking about non euclidean formulas almost made me tear up. This man's gentle, genuine enthusiasm really is so endearing and lovely. Thanks for this vid, can't wait to check out more.

  • @ryanr27
    @ryanr27 3 года назад +102

    Eventually, Mario will build so much negative speed, which he had built up for over 12 hours to leave this projection of 5D space

    • @friedayy
      @friedayy 11 месяцев назад +1

      Wtf

  • @efeersoy8880
    @efeersoy8880 3 года назад +1274

    "Hey honey, do you think you could knitt me a projection of a hyperbolic tiling in 3D?"

    • @Battletrolls
      @Battletrolls 3 года назад +4

      @SArpnt nice

    • @ej-jz5rc
      @ej-jz5rc 3 года назад +4

      @SArpnt but who asked

    • @ej-jz5rc
      @ej-jz5rc 3 года назад +1

      @SArpnt if nobody did, then why did you even bother to do it?

    • @ej-jz5rc
      @ej-jz5rc 3 года назад +1

      @SArpnt very obviously nobody and i pointed that out pretty clearly if you could read

    • @ej-jz5rc
      @ej-jz5rc 3 года назад +1

      @SArpnt thanks for criticizing your own response

  • @michaelzopff8862
    @michaelzopff8862 3 года назад +1132

    Oooh! Holonomy is the reason why, when rotating a 3D object with a mouse, the orientation quickly gets messed up, isn't it? That would explain why my trick of moving the mouse in small circles clockwise or counter-clockwise works, too.

    • @CodeParade
      @CodeParade  3 года назад +338

      Exactly!

    • @bencressman6110
      @bencressman6110 3 года назад +122

      @@CodeParade It's cool that when we hold a globe in our hands, we automatically rotate it as we, well, rotate it to compensate for this effect, so we always orient things the way we are used to seeing them in map projections (keeping north "up")

    • @thelegend8570
      @thelegend8570 3 года назад +21

      Oh hell, i knew i'd seen that somewhere before, i guess that explains it!

    • @rententee
      @rententee 3 года назад +6

      That's what came to mind for me as well!

    • @kosherkingofisrael6381
      @kosherkingofisrael6381 3 года назад +4

      It also reminds me of certain gears

  • @alpkyu5201
    @alpkyu5201 6 месяцев назад +3

    This game caught my attention because I was frantically looking for a non-euclidian game that I can play in VR. It really was one of a kind experience. The farm was most mind boggling and the best part in my opinion (which, now I see from the thumbnails for your other videos, was actually spherical space).
    Such concepts like non-euclidean spaces are hard to grasp because they are inherently abstract. Making a game around them is really a good way for people to "experience" it and make them less abstract. It was especially a treat in VR. Thanks for making this game.

  • @joost5609
    @joost5609 2 года назад +8

    The Mario joke was hilarious and probably the only thing I truly understood. Very interesting and challenging subject!

  • @koda_pop
    @koda_pop 3 года назад +428

    The parallel universe bit caught me off guard lmao

    • @chakra6666
      @chakra6666 3 года назад +32

      surely the most ambitious crossover ever

    • @rehehehehehe4525
      @rehehehehehe4525 3 года назад +39

      those goddamn parallel universes
      just tell me where is Mario
      don't tell me he's 4 PU to the left, 29 PU down and performing a satanic ritual in the out of bounds area

    • @HokoraYinphine
      @HokoraYinphine 3 года назад +5

      PannenParade

    • @mynion24100
      @mynion24100 3 года назад +2

      an a press is an a press...

    • @Lance0
      @Lance0 3 года назад +3

      @@mynion24100 Were you gonna say, "it can't be only half? Well, Mynion"24" 100, hear me out. An A press has actually 3 parts to an A press, when A is pressed, when A is held, and when A is released. Now together, this forms 1 complete A press. Now usually, it's the pressing that's useful, because that's the only part that makes Mario jump. However sometimes, it's sufficient to just use the holding part, which allows Mario to do little kicks, to swim in water, to fall slowly while twirling, and to fall slowly with the wing cap. And as for the release, well there's currently no cases where that's useful or important, so don't worry about that. Now, if we map out the required A presses for Wing Mario Over the Rainbow, it would look like this. We merely need to hold A to reach the cannon platform, we need to press A to launch from the 1st cannon, and we need to press A again to launch from the 2nd platform. So how many A presses is that total? Well, it appears to be 3, and if we were doing this star in isolation, then yeah, it would be 3. But, in a full game A button challenge run, there are other A presses that occur earlier in the run, such as this A press needed to get into the course. So, if we take that A press into consideration as well, then how many A presses would it take? The naive answer would be 4, one to enter the course, and the 3 within the course that we established earlier. However, we can do better. We can actually do it in 3 by simply holding out the 1st A press to be used in the half A press because the half A press only requires A to be held, not actually pressed. So in this fashion, Wing Mario Over the Rainbow only adds on an additional 2 A presses, since the 1st A press just actually leeches off of a previous A press, so to capture this phenomenon, we call it 2.5 A presses. On a single-star basis, you round that up to 3, but in a full game run, you'd round it down to 2. So, in conclusion, since that 1st A press counts in some contexts, but adds no additional A presses in other contexts, we refer to it as a half A press.
      Edit: it's pannen time(all the words are now ripped out from pannen's video)

  • @CasualCosta
    @CasualCosta 3 года назад +949

    Instructions unclear, become a flat-earther.

    • @rehehehehehe4525
      @rehehehehehe4525 3 года назад +20

      I'm ok I don't want to be a flat earther

    • @mysterioushoodedguy2332
      @mysterioushoodedguy2332 3 года назад +36

      Lol the thing where the triangle on a sphere has 3 right angles has actually been used to disprove flat earthers since if you take a plane and fly it a certain distance, turn right 90 degrees, fly same distance, turn 90, fly same distance, you'll end up in same place where you started because of the earth's curvature

    • @Fulgur14
      @Fulgur14 3 года назад +7

      @@mysterioushoodedguy2332 Well, technically... but on Earth, that would be a trip of 30,000 km, so you could hardly do it without landing in-between. And that generally can't be done without turning, and how do you prove you continue in the same direction, etc. etc.
      Though it leads to an interesting question: what would be the easiest triple-90-degree triangle on Earth to travel? Or, for the matter, triple-72-degree, a part of an icosahedron?

    • @jfp0763
      @jfp0763 3 года назад +17

      Instructions unclear, Teleported to another plane in existence and start being trained by Sherk to fight against an Otaku army

    • @mgsgamer8340
      @mgsgamer8340 3 года назад +3

      Oh I became a non-Euclidean-earther.
      *i can hear melanie Martinez when a bird chirps now*

  • @kylehayden3113
    @kylehayden3113 2 года назад +21

    "So I hope that's given all of you a little better understanding about curved spaces..."
    Well, it sure hasn't, but I appreciate the effort

  • @josephcsible
    @josephcsible 3 года назад +16

    If you want to use HyperRogue to explore the hyperbolic tiling used in this video (5 squares meeting at each vertex, first seen at 4:59), here's the sequence of menu options to do so: main menu -> special modes -> experiment with geometry -> basic tiling -> {5,4} (four pentagons) -> go back -> variations -> pure -> dual of current.

  • @woodant1981
    @woodant1981 3 года назад +1020

    I actually just got non Euclidean tiling in my bathroom.

  • @onion2.
    @onion2. 3 года назад +2143

    “Think about light bending around the curved space of a black hole.” Ah yes

    • @beanmcknee1610
      @beanmcknee1610 3 года назад +91

      It’s like a coin going down one of those donation things that make the coin spin around into the hole
      Except the coin is light and the hole is a black hole

    • @tristenarctician6910
      @tristenarctician6910 3 года назад +11

      @@beanmcknee1610 why would the color of the hole change?
      .

    • @beanmcknee1610
      @beanmcknee1610 3 года назад +19

      @@tristenarctician6910 no sorry what I meant was is that the coin represents light itself, not light in color
      I hope that helps

    • @michelekonakciu7052
      @michelekonakciu7052 3 года назад +4

      @@tristenarctician6910 particle get excited and emit radiation that we perceive as a colour change

    • @Tharmin.124
      @Tharmin.124 3 года назад

      Just think of a magnet and a ball bearing, just that they can't touch

  • @spoonkyscenvyscreeleton
    @spoonkyscenvyscreeleton 3 года назад +6

    scientists: a group of very serious people in glasses and lab coats who are investigating very complex serious things
    also scientists: S P A G G H E T T I F I C A T I O N

  • @jarjbarj
    @jarjbarj 3 года назад +4

    What is hyperbolic space
    Dragon Ball fans: Now this looks like a job for me

  • @simonsixt2418
    @simonsixt2418 3 года назад +84

    8:07 Imagine creating a black hole by throwing a baseball really hard in spherical geometry

    • @marcinlechicki4019
      @marcinlechicki4019 3 года назад +6

      Maby our universe is spherical, and that "realy hard" to get speed enough is force to give that baseball light speed.

    • @Anonymous-zd1ow
      @Anonymous-zd1ow 3 года назад +3

      @@marcinlechicki4019 If the ball was thrown that hard it would be ripped to shreds.

    • @marcinlechicki4019
      @marcinlechicki4019 3 года назад +3

      @@Anonymous-zd1ow You are talking from experience Hulk?

    • @ynntari2775
      @ynntari2775 3 года назад +3

      People in general have too many misconceptions about big strength. Like lifting cars and sofas, which actually just folds the whole thing and rips off the small part you're holding. And "lifting a building" would be just passing your hands through the floor and making holes

    • @reizinhodojogo3956
      @reizinhodojogo3956 3 месяца назад

      ​@@marcinlechicki4019he changed his user to anonymous, hulk is retired now sadly

  • @rodeo_stomper
    @rodeo_stomper 3 года назад +304

    Honestly, I have no clue what any of this means, but this dude's voice is really relaxing to me.

    • @astergh0st
      @astergh0st 3 года назад +10

      Jøhnny Rëtznøvishchä Yeah. Too bad my inability to understand what he’s saying gives me a headache.

    • @Mysideep
      @Mysideep 3 года назад +3

      I want to understand...

  • @fobo0053
    @fobo0053 2 года назад +5

    you know.. i love you just by the fact that you're not "bad-repeating" something that you heard from a mathematician like the other youtubers and you are precise (it's a mathematician talking)

  • @darelfn
    @darelfn 4 дня назад +3

    Meanwhile beings in a Hyperbolic Multiverse losing their minds over how strange the concept of a Euclidean universe seems to them

  • @cynicap8584
    @cynicap8584 3 года назад +239

    "Courtesy of mrs. Parade"
    Awww, what a sweet, weird quality time

  • @thecheesybagel8589
    @thecheesybagel8589 3 года назад +1799

    No one:
    My brain at 1 am: let’s try to understand non Euclidean geometry when I already have a hard time with algebra

    • @theredneckdrummerco.6748
      @theredneckdrummerco.6748 3 года назад +28

      its one forty nine right now and I face the same dilemma

    • @goddamnit
      @goddamnit 3 года назад +7

      Same :'(

    • @sonetagu1337
      @sonetagu1337 3 года назад +12

      I dont even understand algebra wtf

    • @zinedsdrawkcab840
      @zinedsdrawkcab840 3 года назад +3

      same, but its 4:04 am for me

    • @erenjaeger1266
      @erenjaeger1266 3 года назад +4

      STOP IT PLEASE THIS IS SO FREAKING RELATABLE ITS 12:36 FREAKING AM I CSNT SLEEP!!!

  • @bigagabriel
    @bigagabriel 2 года назад +18

    I have been reading the books of the fantasy novel The Wheel of Time. There is king of a parallel plane where one of the characters can move throw space and he describes as if things that looked really far came closer really fast. And that as he turned his head, the world would turn way faster. It might be the hyperbolic rendering you show and it might be awesome to connect that with the books fans!

  • @lobsterfork
    @lobsterfork 2 года назад +5

    I saw your reddit post for this 1 or 2 years ago (I don't remember exactly when). Really cool that you are pushing this into mainstream. I bet what you are working on will have really cool applications in the near and distant future!
    BTW HOLY SHIT THAT KNITTING IS IMPRESSIVE!

  • @enderstriker0718
    @enderstriker0718 3 года назад +436

    “We’re only looking down on it because we are higher dimensional beings living in a 3D universe.”

    • @daylenhigman8680
      @daylenhigman8680 3 года назад +169

      *The 4th dimensional being watching me take a dump

    • @satyampandey2222
      @satyampandey2222 3 года назад +55

      @UltimateGeek at the same time

    • @JotaC
      @JotaC 3 года назад +29

      We actually live in a 4D world as 3D beings
      That's why we can't see the full extent of time

    • @nykal1510
      @nykal1510 3 года назад +60

      @@JotaC Time is not a SPATIAL dimension, stating that we live in a four-dimensional world is irrelevant, we live in three-dimensional space

    • @ryanwolf1869
      @ryanwolf1869 3 года назад +8

      Nykal absolute brainlet

  • @Addsomehappy
    @Addsomehappy 3 года назад +127

    "Stay Hyperbolic!"
    oh so you wish me to tear myself apart every time i walk anywhere gee thanks

    • @Anonymous-zd1ow
      @Anonymous-zd1ow 3 года назад +6

      That only happens when you apply a significant amount of force to yourself.

    • @diophantine1598
      @diophantine1598 3 года назад +8

      The Incredible Hulk Correction, velocity. Depending on the hyperbolic space (depending on r) even walking or breathing could tear you apart.

    • @olli3b3ar27
      @olli3b3ar27 3 года назад

      this is what happens when you try and and be parallel, but you'll learn.

    • @justinaccurate347
      @justinaccurate347 3 года назад

      I think OP was joking by being hyperbolic in his reaction?

    • @Anonymous-zd1ow
      @Anonymous-zd1ow 3 года назад +1

      @@diophantine1598 Oh thank you for correcting me! Oh Jesus this is 7 months late XD.

  • @Darthvanger
    @Darthvanger 2 года назад +1

    Awesome!
    The best explanation of the curved spaces I've seen actually.
    And at the same time it's gonna be a game, to really experience it!

  • @thewarden4174
    @thewarden4174 8 месяцев назад

    I really like how you explain all this, it makes it much easier to understand than just the graphs

  • @Fulgur14
    @Fulgur14 3 года назад +600

    One thing that might need mentioning is that non-Euclidean geometries, unlike the Euclidean one, possess preferred lengths. (The video only mentions "assigning unit curvature" without actually explaining what it means.)
    Simply said, in Euclidean plane, we may set our length unit to be anything. Pythagorean theorem, circumference of circle, everything will work the same no matter what units we measure in.
    In spherical geometry, we have a natural unit that is equal to the radius of the sphere. Even if the space is not actually embedded in anything and doesn't have an actual "radius", we still know what it should be because that is the only length unit in which r can be measured so the formula "2 pi sin(r)" works.
    This has colossal consequences! It means, for example, that the "similar shapes" in Euclidean geometry, where you can increase a size of, say, a triangle or a square and still keep all its angles intact. No such luck here: a triangle with sides twice as long as an original will have completely different angles. This would make things like making plans, schemes or maps harder.
    In hyperbolic geometry, a natural length unit is not that easy to see as in spherical geometry, but it nevertheless exists. There's only one possible length unit which makes the 2 pi sinh(r) formula work!
    Finally, note that spherical geometry has some additional problems the other two geometries don't have. Main one is that if you draw two straight lines on a sphere, not only will they always intersect, but they will always intersect in two antipodal points. This spoils the geometry somewhat (straight lines should only intersect in one point). The solution is so-called "elliptic" geometry, in which every pair of antipodal points on the sphere is considered just a single point. That one has its weird moments as well (for example, if you wander in a straight line, you will eventually arrive back to your starting point, but as a mirror opposite).

    • @Stetofire
      @Stetofire 3 года назад +18

      Marek Čtrnáct You are indeed... A Super Nerd!
      *Guitar Riff*

    • @csicee
      @csicee 3 года назад +6

      tl;dr?

    • @Fulgur14
      @Fulgur14 3 года назад +32

      @@csicee TLDR: In non-Euclidean geometries, you are forced to measure lengths in a very specific units in order to get simplest possible formulas.

    • @Fulgur14
      @Fulgur14 3 года назад +19

      ​@@Stetofire Well, I have been involved with HyperRogue for quite some time -- for example, you can see some of my tessellation results here: zenorogue.github.io/tes-catalog/

    • @AlxM96
      @AlxM96 3 года назад +16

      @@Fulgur14 phenomenal insight and work, thanks! keep it up!

  • @kurlyfryz
    @kurlyfryz 3 года назад +1581

    that feeling when non-euclidean geometry makes more sense than euclidean geometry

    • @Shrek_es_mi_pastor
      @Shrek_es_mi_pastor 3 года назад +21

      Completamente difiero.

    • @maxnewdf
      @maxnewdf 3 года назад +94

      @@Shrek_es_mi_pastor why your pastor is shrek?

    • @TaiFerret
      @TaiFerret 3 года назад +121

      Euclidean geometry is just what happens when you zoom in on a surface infinitely.

    • @realnub235
      @realnub235 3 года назад +3

      oof lol

    • @luizg8034
      @luizg8034 3 года назад +16

      @@TaiFerret sounds strange to me, but i dont know enough topology to disprove it

  • @jamesrosco4816
    @jamesrosco4816 2 года назад +1

    I watched this a year ago and now finally have started playing Hyperbolica. It is quite the experience. Now I am back w a tching this again trying to wrap my head around it. Big thanks for making the game and these videos.

  • @marcopivetta7796
    @marcopivetta7796 3 года назад +2

    bro i've been watching a lot of conferences and lectures on this topic and NONE have explained it better than your videos. YOU ROCK! I'm considering taking up a math degree after getting my master in architecture next year, in part thanks to these videos.
    Love!

  • @BambinaSaldana
    @BambinaSaldana 3 года назад +1585

    "But first we have to talk about parallel universe-I mean parallel lines."
    *We were on the verge of greatness,we were this close.*

    • @GlyphicEnigma
      @GlyphicEnigma 3 года назад +62

      We just needed enough speed to get to the next PU!!!

    • @YashBeanz
      @YashBeanz 2 года назад +4

      @@GlyphicEnigma just blj for 11 hours and you should have enough!

    • @TheaPeanut_69old
      @TheaPeanut_69old 2 года назад +4

      the music tho
      its from another video about weird stuff a bit similar to this

    • @YashBeanz
      @YashBeanz 2 года назад +21

      @@TheaPeanut_69old it's the file select music from Mario 64

    • @Qsie
      @Qsie 2 года назад +7

      Man, makes me miss watching Pannen

  • @juancgonzalez6537
    @juancgonzalez6537 3 года назад +475

    "But first we have to talk about parallel universes." I'm having a panic attack.

    • @rhaeven
      @rhaeven 3 года назад +32

      *quick creepy distorted version of the Mario 64 File Select music starts*

    • @ej-jz5rc
      @ej-jz5rc 3 года назад +33

      pannen attack*

    • @spikey288
      @spikey288 3 года назад +2

      No you aren't

    • @thatoneguy9582
      @thatoneguy9582 2 года назад +8

      @@spikey288
      youre not their dad

    • @spikey288
      @spikey288 2 года назад

      @@thatoneguy9582 not you again

  • @mustafamalik4211
    @mustafamalik4211 Год назад +1

    This is so fascianting. I can't believe I never thought about the geometrical visualizations of the hyperbolic and spherical equations I learned in Vector Calculus back in University. Thank you for this amazing video!

  • @EternalPhoenix
    @EternalPhoenix 2 года назад +1

    This has become my favorite topic to ramble about, ty

  • @theosouris7063
    @theosouris7063 3 года назад +38

    5:47 I don’t know what I expected from this vid, but it certainly wasn’t a Pannenkoek2012 reference

  • @miljanvideo
    @miljanvideo 3 года назад +127

    2:23 Talking about spherical geometry
    me an intellectual:
    *beach balls*

  • @cdawgswizzle7229
    @cdawgswizzle7229 3 года назад +1

    this is a perfect way to explain some of the complex concepts in Geometry Relativity and the 4th Dimension. Thanks a lot!

  • @DigitalDuelist
    @DigitalDuelist Год назад

    This makes so much more sense than any explanation I have ever seen. Thank you!

  • @Chrischi3TutorialLPs
    @Chrischi3TutorialLPs 3 года назад +116

    "But first we have to talk about parallel universes"
    *SM64 music plays*
    Ah, i see you are a man of culture aswell.

    • @joseg.matamoros2847
      @joseg.matamoros2847 3 года назад +1

      Bismuth be like

    • @haimric8603
      @haimric8603 3 года назад

      Explain

    • @Chrischi3TutorialLPs
      @Chrischi3TutorialLPs 3 года назад +11

      @@haimric8603 Its a meme about Super Mario 64. Basically due to a programming oversight theres parallel universes in the game which speedrunners use in Tool-Assisted Speedruns (Basically speedruns where you have bots make perfect inputs rather than playing yourself) to get around. And well, theres this RUclipsr called Pannenkoek2012 who made a video explaining some things about speedruns, and well, that line "But first we need to talk about parallel universes" became a thing.

    • @knockrotter9372
      @knockrotter9372 3 года назад +1

      @@Chrischi3TutorialLPs YOU CAN'T JUST PRESS THE A BUTTON A HALF OF A TIME IT'S STILL AN A PRESS

  • @SoftyWalterGames
    @SoftyWalterGames 3 года назад +8

    As soon as you said "there wouldn't even be a horizon" my mind exploded trying to visualise earth without horizons

    • @elietheprof5678
      @elietheprof5678 3 года назад +2

      If you live in America, the sky is Australia.

  • @centerofoperations9251
    @centerofoperations9251 6 месяцев назад +2

    This is the best explanation of the topic I've ever watched

  • @jeper3460
    @jeper3460 3 года назад +17

    Another interesting thing with curved space is travelling through something with a lot of reference points e.g. a forest with trees or space with stars.
    When you walk through a forest in euclidean space, the trees that are more directly in front of you seem to move towards you faster, while the trees more toward the sides seem to move slower. In hyperbolic space, all of the trees seem to move at the same speed towards you, no matter how far off the centre they are. In spherical space, the trees behind you appear in front of you, and the trees off to the side almost appear to be still.

  • @centokiVA
    @centokiVA 3 года назад +353

    this genuinely has taught me more about non-euclidean geometry than my classes have

    • @pattyryopotybuttongamer3063
      @pattyryopotybuttongamer3063 2 года назад +4

      and after that you have to plug the red wire into the socket to make sure the engine boots at launch. Wrap the green wire around it's coil that sits directly beside the A button. After you put the back shell on, place the battery in the slot. Screw the Vr26 Jeeper back up and press the reset button. If everything worked according to plan you're device should show a thumbs up sprite. Plug the HDMI port into a monitor and wait three seconds. If it boots up on TV your in the good side. If it doesn't boot in less then 5 seconds quickly unplug. This can severely damage your TV and possibly start a fire

    • @diamante8864
      @diamante8864 2 года назад +12

      this genuinely has taught me more about *euclidean* geometry than my classes have

    • @Crazyclay78YT
      @Crazyclay78YT Год назад +3

      bruh why tf would you be taking non euclidean geometry in school

    • @ThomasTheThermonuclearBomb
      @ThomasTheThermonuclearBomb 8 месяцев назад

      ​@@pattyryopotybuttongamer3063bro what are you talking about

  • @matsol2158
    @matsol2158 3 года назад +43

    7:30 This guy :"Now we've walked on a pentagon with five right angles"
    My math teacher :"Wait... that's illegal..."

  • @Grey-mo5py
    @Grey-mo5py 2 года назад +1

    ive watched this video so many times and I love it every time

  • @sebastianmonten
    @sebastianmonten 2 года назад

    Dude, super interesting video! Glad that I found this! I have become more and more interested in computer science, glad that I found your channel

  • @MeteoritePlayz
    @MeteoritePlayz 3 года назад +318

    CodeParade: oh god, PLEASE STOP USING THIS!
    Pringles: no u
    Edit: how do I have about 200 more likes a month later ty

    • @pwnmeisterage
      @pwnmeisterage 3 года назад +25

      Anticlastic diagrams are confusing because they force the viewer to visualize a non-intuitive concept in an even more non-intuitive way. They just overcomplicate stuff too much.
      Everyone immediately understands Pringles. Pringles are tasty.

    • @EliteOcto
      @EliteOcto 3 года назад +9

      PRINGLES IN 4D

    • @Kromiball
      @Kromiball 3 года назад +2

      @@EliteOcto lol

    • @unblorbosyourshows9635
      @unblorbosyourshows9635 3 года назад +3

      @@EliteOcto N O N E U C L I D E A N P R I N G L E S

    • @jamiecasimir5040
      @jamiecasimir5040 3 года назад

      ElPseudocrítico E A T

  • @grandstrategos1144
    @grandstrategos1144 3 года назад +201

    Clarification for everyone in the comments. When he talks about lines in spherical geometry, he is mentioning the spherical geometry definition of a line. In spherical geometry, the definition of a line is one of the great circles of the sphere. So you can’t use different latitudes or longitudes.

    • @PotatoPatatoVonSpudsworth
      @PotatoPatatoVonSpudsworth 3 года назад +9

      This clarifies things quite a but for me. Thank you!

    • @nancyburgos1231
      @nancyburgos1231 2 года назад +8

      I was wondering exactly that jaja! Thank you

    • @nicbajitogaming8947
      @nicbajitogaming8947 Год назад +5

      Geodesics waving to the world 🤗 Hi, geodesic !!

    • @wa5657
      @wa5657 9 месяцев назад

      oh thank you, i was just hung up on that :v

  • @mixadengitti
    @mixadengitti 2 года назад +1

    This is extremely fascinating.

  • @blue-ou6uf
    @blue-ou6uf Год назад

    this is amazingly explained omg. so much content i expected to be overwhelming but isnt.

  • @Tubeytime
    @Tubeytime 3 года назад +282

    Holonomy is something I've known about for years due to playing around in various programs/simulations/games but I never knew there was a word for it until now!

    • @pluspiping
      @pluspiping 3 года назад +31

      Same! I build 3D models for my job and I guess it's why you need "reset view" buttons when you're zooming around the model in "3D space". You get real lost real fast. Now I know there's a word for it! Cool!

    • @eugenegarcia6155
      @eugenegarcia6155 2 года назад +1

      Tell me about it

    • @cheesepop7175
      @cheesepop7175 Год назад +2

      holonomy happens in gmod

    • @Crazyclay78YT
      @Crazyclay78YT Год назад +1

      @@cheesepop7175 bro it happens fucking everywhere

    • @Crazyclay78YT
      @Crazyclay78YT Год назад +3

      yeah 3d modeling really showed me that. if you just click and drag in circles, moving the camera around the object, it rotates. at first i was like "wtf why does it do that" and i thought it was a glitch or something in the software. now that i know that it has a word, i will definitely try to squeeze that into my vernacular

  • @bubblehead9548
    @bubblehead9548 3 года назад +3

    Ok I was completely lost until my drowning brain just screamed YOU CAN FIT MORE SPACE IN SPACE and I understood this for approximately a quarter of a second before my dumb mortal brain decided that was too much. You have obviously entered into some terrible contract with Yog-sothoth to have such a deep understanding of hyperbolic space, and for that I fear and respect you, and legit can’t wait to play hyperbolica

  • @XiJinpoohBear
    @XiJinpoohBear 2 года назад +1

    This is a great video. Very well illustrated.

  • @MayBeSomething
    @MayBeSomething 2 года назад +3

    "But first, I need to talk about parallel universes"
    You had me there!

  • @JohnsontheFly
    @JohnsontheFly 3 года назад +27

    That awkward moment when hitting a baseball in spherical space creates a naked singularity and by extension accidentally creates 0-dimentional space

  • @LionsInBoots
    @LionsInBoots 3 года назад +26

    5:44 „I was already 5 PUs ahead of you...“

    • @ej-jz5rc
      @ej-jz5rc 3 года назад +5

      4* because then he'd be QPU misaligned

  • @jamalford961
    @jamalford961 2 года назад +1

    Thanks for this, your channel helps my mind.

  • @exintrovert1337
    @exintrovert1337 2 года назад +1

    Very nice explanation! Thank you.

  • @MozartSrs
    @MozartSrs 3 года назад +638

    No one:
    My blanket when I’m trying to find the short end at 3am: 3:00

  • @crackedemerald4930
    @crackedemerald4930 3 года назад +119

    Hyperbolic space: when you have more space every space you space

    • @Kaiveran
      @Kaiveran 3 года назад +5

      Xzibit would like to know your location

  • @johnehteshami725
    @johnehteshami725 3 года назад +1

    Awesome work!

  • @luxembourgcool
    @luxembourgcool 2 года назад +1

    15 months in the making. Worth it.

  • @Brindlebrother
    @Brindlebrother 3 года назад +59

    Mrs. Parade: "I'm about to crochet in a whole other dimension"

  • @leebee42069
    @leebee42069 3 года назад +55

    Me: I'm going to crochet a hat!
    The hat: 3:20
    Me: why does this always happen?

  • @mordechailevinson8646
    @mordechailevinson8646 2 года назад

    ....Thank you so much for posting this video & the "heads-up" on Henry Segerman.....

  • @lucasl.s.7831
    @lucasl.s.7831 2 года назад

    that was awesome, thank you!!

  • @hitzcritz
    @hitzcritz 3 года назад +82

    5:44 "But first, we have to talk about parallel ̶u̶n̶i̶v̶e̶r̶s̶e̶s̶ lines!"
    *_my disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined_*

  • @aethershard463
    @aethershard463 3 года назад +172

    CodeParade: Wanna guess what the hyperbolic opposite is?
    Me: cosine(r)? I mean that’s the “opposite” of sine.
    CodeParade: No you fool it’s hyPErBoLiC sine!!!

    • @XDinky
      @XDinky 3 года назад +8

      Isn't the opposite of sine just minus sine?
      I guess you need to define "opposite"

    • @zacozacoify
      @zacozacoify 3 года назад +14

      I would say the opposite of sin is either -sin, or inverse sin (arcsin). Cos is more like the complement to sin, it’s what you get when you shift sin by -90 degrees.

    • @anonymousperson6228
      @anonymousperson6228 3 года назад +4

      Or it could be cosecant. It’s the reciprocal of sine.

    • @Fulgur14
      @Fulgur14 3 года назад +7

      @@zacozacoify sinh is, in a way, sin rotated 90 degrees: sinh(x) = -i sin (ix)

    • @Fulgur14
      @Fulgur14 3 года назад

      @Multorum Unum It can be if sin(ix) is pure imaginary.

  • @nemesisurvivorleon
    @nemesisurvivorleon Год назад

    I love this concept so much.
    And Hyperbolica is an amazing game.

  • @unbekannter771
    @unbekannter771 3 года назад +1

    Dude are you a university professor or something?
    This is literally the best visual representation of projection and space warping, along with the best and easiest to understand explanation Ive ever come across!

  • @hytalefanboi7471
    @hytalefanboi7471 3 года назад +33

    "do u like maths or programming?"
    code parade: "yes"

    • @randairp
      @randairp 3 года назад +2

      Fun fact: by the Curry-Howard Correspondence, maths and programming are literally identical (two perspectives of the same thing).

    • @jedizombiekiller9065
      @jedizombiekiller9065 3 года назад +1

      @@randairp Fun Fact: semicolon

  • @Epicvibes999
    @Epicvibes999 3 года назад +34

    “It only looks 3D because we are higher dimensional beings, looking down on the flatlanders.”
    Hip Hop Artists: *”haha , fisheye go wobble wobble”*

  • @rydz3442
    @rydz3442 3 года назад +1

    it hurts the brain to watch your videos. I love it

  • @Lobstro
    @Lobstro 2 года назад +3

    Hey, I just finished playing through Hyperbolica! The thing that kept catching me off guard in the game was how much longer it would take to walk around the perimeter of each of the worlds instead of walking straight across their center. At first glance the world would seem small, but after reaching an edge and spending time walking around it would feel massive. I hope this encourages many more people to make hyperbolic games.

  • @albingrahn5576
    @albingrahn5576 3 года назад +26

    can’t wait to see the 0.5 A-press run for hyperbolica!

    • @Lance0
      @Lance0 3 года назад +3

      well, we need 4 things:
      HSPW, forcing scuttlebugs to have a jamboree, pannen, and TJ """"Henry"""" Yoshi.

    • @ej-jz5rc
      @ej-jz5rc 3 года назад +1

      @@Lance0 don't forget groundpounding the misalignment

  • @BAVBAVBAV
    @BAVBAVBAV 3 года назад +506

    An A press is just an A press. You can’t just call it a half.

  • @havocmaverick
    @havocmaverick 11 месяцев назад +1

    Twenty five years ago when I was sick I had a fever dream about playing a hyperbolic game. I had to place a tower or skyscraper then when my opponent would place one it would make mine shorter. It was kind of like a three dimensional version of GO. Very neat.

  • @andredominguez3199
    @andredominguez3199 2 года назад +1

    I don't know why RUclips recommended me this, but I love it.

  • @tentimestay9181
    @tentimestay9181 3 года назад +19

    "But first, we have to talk about parallel univers-- I mean parallel lines" so unexpected, genuinely cackled

  • @Lugmillord
    @Lugmillord 3 года назад +14

    When the Mario 64 music kicks in, I knew what was coming and I wasn't disappointed.

  • @renormalization
    @renormalization 11 месяцев назад +1

    This is a great video to motivate the anti-de Sitter spacetime (hyperbolic spacetime) for holography. Nicely done!

  • @AlecCole-ue8yp
    @AlecCole-ue8yp 4 месяца назад +1

    This is amazing

  • @alpha3836
    @alpha3836 3 года назад +16

    0:49 *_We're only looking at it in 3D, because we are higher dimentional beings looking down at the flat-earthers_*

  • @Marci124
    @Marci124 3 года назад +64

    I didn't think there were too many interesting tidbits in this topic that I wasn't aware of, but this video proved me wrong!

    • @sreyam7
      @sreyam7 3 года назад +2

      Same! I realised I have very little intuition about these things beyond the standard "hyperbolic spaces as saddle-shaped with all lines eventually diverging" basic picture.

  • @cruepprich
    @cruepprich 2 года назад +1

    Very well done. Thanks!

  • @RhoTrepaan
    @RhoTrepaan 2 года назад

    This is gorgeous! (And very hard to comprehend)