The Great Debate 2020 - Rabbi Manis Friedman vs Rabbi Shais Taub
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All your videos are amazing, but I think this video deserves a spot on the top 3. Please make more videos like this. Having two different angles/perspectives on a topic really allows the viewer to find their personal truth.
How do you say Jewish in Hebrew?
One negative overrules every previous wrong done positive command.
@@NathanHanokaee Thank you. Stay tuned ;)
As a pledged Noahide, I watch and learn from all your lectures and learning sessions. This debate was very powerful and made me become more aware of the mitzvas. Even though not all 613 apply to us I feel that it’s extremely important for us to learn and understand because we are with you supporting you, being guided by you, and striving to be a better observants. I would love to watch many more debates like this. And also a couple of people should learn from you on how to properly and respectfully debate. Thank you both and thanks to the facilitators.
When you described why the shofar isn’t blown on Shabbos, your previous points made so much sense, it was really well said and super convincing. It connected incredibly well with everything you said before it, I was amazed and impressed!
Both sides were incredible and I understand the commandments on general level much better now thanks to both of you Rabbis.
Thank you very much for this!!!
PS: your ending statement was absolutely beautiful!
Awe! Your intro 7 minutes remind me of a fabulous talk on the Shema - how much love and heart are mentioned in the first couple verses. Where it all starts, and ends. About the debate - so true that we all can have different angles/views on any subject, and all be correct. What a gift to discuss, share, disagree, and laugh. Toda raba. BH
I loved this, not only did I learn from both Rabbis but it made me think. I love it when something is so interesting that it makes me think.
I watched this yesterday , and hearing it again today . ThAnkyou for this , very eye opening !
speechless...I'm humbled by their way of keeping balance between respect for each other and push against the point.
I'm cheering for the Rabbi ;) x
lol
I saw this and based on my limited experience with Jewish ppl thought "WHAT?"
OMG this exceeded my expectations ❤
Such a polite debate
Welcome to the truth
@@dannycohn8512 but a day later I saw a rabbi saying the point of circumcision is the pain. The pain is the gift to god. The pain is the mitzvah
Yep, I found the truth all right. All religion is crap.
@@grannykiminalaska Ah yes. A singular opinion from an unnamed source who might not even really be knowledgeable on the subject is representative of the whole, right?
@@elanleonard4772
To which opinion are you referring?
@@grannykiminalaska There is a reason 20% of noble prize winners are Jewish. There is something to their teachings, and if you look, you will find a fountain of wisdom. It does not mean you will agree with everything you hear, but as Bruce Lee changed martial arts with his phrase. Take the good and discard the bad. There is much good to take from Judiasm Granny Kim.
This is so lovely! The first debate I have ever enjoyed!
Thank You. The debate was very entertaining and informative. Looking forward to seeing you in Costa Rica.
I’d like to add a point that I heard from the Skulener Rebbe (R’ Yisroel Avrohom) Z”L a number of times. The posuk says “Because there should be his fear (of hashem) on your faces, so you wouldn’t sin”. The main battle with the Yetzer Hora is on the don’ts. most people have no issue with Tfilin, Esrog, sukko etc. but the real challenge and test is with the don’ts.
Another point that relates to your closing arguments. For several weeks in March - April, I davn’ed without a minyan, missed Krias Hatorah and had my phone open on Shabbos (I was instructed by a Rov to do so). Based on your closing arguments, the focus is not on whatever you do or doesn’t do, the focus is, what does hashem want from me now? It’s not about me doing mitzvas, it’s about living in hashem’s world and do as he says. If this is his will, than I am happy to do so.
Each time one of the Rabbis spoke I said "Wow. He is right!"
And I went back and forth until my head hurt, and I yelled "Teiku already! Tishbi got this!" 🤣
Incredible ❤️❤️❤️
I'm speechless.
Rabbi Manis is SUCH a Chossid!!!
Fascinatingly polite debate, thank you all for the experience.
Sitting home, recovering from Covid19, gave me a great gift of listening to wise words! Thank you, Kvod HaRav!
@Lipaz Dotan, read these words of wisdom. Revelation 2:9, and 3:9.
The ""Torah,"" is what we live by, from Genesis, to Revelation.
Deuteronomy 28:15-68, God is speaking to his people, who will be slaves
in a Strange Land. God told Abraham, in Genesis 15:13-14, He's was going
to punish His people, for their disobedience. Where are these people God
is telling Abraham is talking about? Are they the lost tribes of Israel?
Are they in Israel, but no one knows who they are? I have many questions,
hope some one can help. Thanks Lipaz.
@@vivianclaiborne7653 Revelation is a Christian book
I absolutey loved this and shared it with many. Shalom
Don'ts give a deeper understanding of the why not, whilst the do's complement them by what makes it relevant. The answer in the question.This is so revealing and beautifully taught, thank you very much.
Thank you for watching and for the very kind words! God bless you
@Liz Gichora,
It truly is beautiful, awesome!! I found Revelation 2:9, and 3:9, great,
you'll find them just as beautiful. Liz, I found Deuteronomy 28:15-68,
absolutely mind blowing. Genesis 15:13-14, these are connected, see
if you can make sense of them. Bless you Liz.
When HaShem is saying don’t,then he is pruning. He is saying cut off this yourself and I promise you will grow somewhere else so that you will be grateful. When he says do, he is saying what you need to grow!
HaShem is the God of Life, not Death!
👏🏼Beautifully and simply put.
That’s real good
Excelente!!!! Un Abrazo from Puerto Rico!! Where’s the link to join the Wednesday conversations??
I love these guys so much. When I'm hurting even their voices bring hope. As a lawyer I really enjoyed the debate.
love it. more of these things.
This blew my mind! I loved it so much because both sides are right and I learned so much! Thank you very much
Hi i am muslim, i didn’t understand the debate. What are they debating about?
IT IS A JOY LISTENING TO YOU BOTH...and the irony and the sweetness between you Rabbies is beautiful. Anyway I am with Friedman Rabbi
Excited ♡
This was so very much fun to watch! Both Rabbis had great points and really know their Torah upside down and backwards. But entertaining as it was, R. Friedman won me over in the end. But a great and wonderful debate. Think of another contentious topic and I’ll be there.
I’m rooting for the Rabbi! 😉
Rabbi Mani's summation is extraordinary! Particularly that King David analogy and how it intercepted with the people in the temple. That was beautifully and wisely said!
We love you both well, really great
Thanks to the two Rabbis for bringing up this interesting and important theme for debate. I am for Rabbi Friedman for sure. The reason is that, when we don't do what we don't do, we already DO what we don`t do. When we Do good, we are not doing what is bad. DO is always greater than Dont, for DO covers "Don't" , which means positive covers negative. When we keep Shabbat, we are doing "Don't break the Shabbat Day". When a car is driven forward (positive), it already includes the resistance force =backward = negative. The negative always serve the positive.
I concur Lillian.
Wonderful and thought provoking. I loved this. Thank you.
thank you. superb
Thank you both Rabbis! Very inspiring!
בשורות טובות
You're very welcome! Thank you so much for watching
It's so Important that I have my motza and wine finally getting it together for a good shabbat 🙏😃
christ
all three are amazing!
I love the story about Zeidy Friedman. Wow! Thank you Manis.
Superior and humble debating. I loved the synthesis and concluding remarks by rabbi Friedman.
Wow. This was even better than I expected!
And I was all prepared to be Team R' Friedman. But R' Taub rocked his arguments wonderfully!
Thanks so much for posting this. Baruch Hashem! Mahalo shalom! ✡️🤙
such a blessing to be able to hear something so amazing like these two Rabbis it fills your hart with joy and makes you think its not really about you its about something even greater amazing lecture
The best debate of the season :)
So simple yet so profound
Shalom shalom!
What are positive mitzvah and what are the negatives? Please explain simple terms because I’m new
Thank you Michael F. Shalom.
I want to do teshuvah in positivo and negative and so on....what to do?
Two angels debating, it will be as sweet as watching the amoraim debate in Gemara, like menschen full of ahavah
Indeed
Small problem one has a history of being a heretic
May Hashem bless you!!!
Yes ,one is certainly heretic
Lol thats stretching it...
made me cry at the end!
Beautiful ❤️
Awesome debate. Great dimensions and depths added to my thinking.
Thank you for NOT sitting 6 feet apart.
I think the debate took place last summer!
Great teaching as always Thann you rabi Friedman
I loved it!
Wow it's amazing teacher, thanks so much..
Love this! Miss you Rabbi.
This should have been rather a discussion not necessarily a debate. I'm a Nigerian, I just got to know less than 5days and I must say am very much interested on every word you have said.
Dissecting positive and negative into daily human existence Ahhhh! How refreshing and obviously a pre-requisite
Why can't a person start doing both Mitzvahs at the same time as they learn how to do them or simply learn about them?
They can and should, the debate format Is just satire in order to teach about the mitzvos
That was super! There are two Giants in Torah and Chasidus ! Todah Rabbah!
This was great.
It's amazing-they are both 100% correct!
Such an interesting and civil discussion/debate. This is dispute for the kingdom's sake.
These are two wonderful master debaters .
A debate is a bad word when u can both be right. A debate deems a winner and loser but sometimes there is no loser.
May adonai bless you and keep you and have his shechinah shine up you rabbi. Shalom
Hi rabbi how come the 365 don't dues the consequences for them in the Torah are much more significant like all the misos bes din Malkus etc ty
@19:45 the answer is that the positive commandment overrides a negative one only during the time/ act of doing the positive commandment ["b'idna " simultaneously]. not before or after. [ similar to what rabbi friedman himself said earlier]
Thank u for the knowledge and wisdom.. Am yisrael chai.
Both very knowledgeable rabbis..i like rabbi shais taub though on this one ..he took to the challenge
I loved!
Hello guys, can anyone recommend me an exorcist in USA ? Thank you in advance
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You do not need an exorcist. Nobody needs an exorcist anymore, for Inferno is empty נאם יהוה. What you need is the Almighty to heal you from whatever needs healing. Be patient, all in יהוה time, for now endure what you need to endure.
🤔🤔... I would have to take Jewish language studies to understand the finer details of this debate. But, the core of the presentation allowed me to comprehend some of the details. This was enlightening. Thank you for sharing.
Days Of Awe!❤️
I saw the photo, and it was like Tzadik versus Tzadik!!!!!!!
I just love Rabbi Friedman he is awesome
Rabbi Friedman is clear winner in this debate because his explanation goes in the publics mind quickly and easily, he is cool relaxed and funny with jokes, the debate do not overwhelm him, with respect the other rabbi with numbers will make great sense to People like him but me jeo public none Jewish,none religious, etc, you have to make us understand,it's was love at first site to the wisdom and the way explained by Rabbi Friedman, hours of his lectures are ok and good, enjoyed by me, but five minutes of lectures by other greats are pain and to much, hence I turn off lectures👍🌹💞🌠
The world of HaShem is about growth. And growth always starts from inside. So if you once decide to understand and align with the creator, this doesn’t guarantee happiness, but might fulfil your purpose?
Very interesting debate
The ENDING is the best part. But one cannot appreciate the END unless they listen to the entire “debate”. Rabbi Friedman sums it up very well.
I was very impressed by the humbleness of these two brilliant people. Both made TRUE arguments and Rabbi Friedman summed it up very well
Does and don'ts.....is another paradox of life.....If you do good, more often than not, you will not see see, unless very astute, the result of the positive action. But usually you will see direct result of don't do good...A simple example....We teach our children all these ways to live....In modern day life an example can be seen in teaching a child how to cross the road.....If you 'do' teach them well, you will never know the crossing where they get knocked over, but you will know about it, if you 'don't' teach them sufficiently of the dangers
I love Rabi Manis so much. Thank you
23:15 - the generations between Adam and Noah were sinners. The generations between Noah and Abraham were sinners. Abraham collected all of the rewards from the previous 20 generations. Torah described Noah as a righteous man who walked with G_d (Gen 6:9).
Question: why didn't Noah get any of those rewards that Rabbi Taub spoke about?
Wonderful video Rabbis!
Enjoyable debate. 💖
Baruch Hashem
Toda for both amazing Rabbis with Do and Don’t session as non Jew I have learnt from both side where is not important about me rather how to create a meaning life that matter first, He is a needy ONE ☝️ and I am needed on my Mitzvah connection with the creator.
שלום
Yom Tov
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A cogent and fascinating debate. I honestly agree with both on most of the part, but I in the end went with R. Friedman because he won the first argument, and it was an excellent closing, of course in my opinion. 👏☺️😇
I love people. who they are and how they are for no reason. i find people fascinating. we meet so many people over the course of our lives, we build relationship and memories, love and kindred connection... then there comes a bizarre collective arragements and circumstance : two people are put in a disagreement/conflict. Act of self ambition and thoughts arise within that specific time in order to protect their cognitive understanding of living (comfort). a the tunnel vision of self serving as a way of regulating their nervous system is what breaks the connection usually in forms of slander to validate themselves. the ability to discern between God's direction vs personal desire. We're often wedged between complex scenarios. Without consequence of action we take for ourselves to solve an emotional/mental/physical state in that specific situation... there would be no end to things we grab for to make decisions to protect our "lives". We grow and learn that not all things we want and love are good for us. God designed us to love as the essence of who HE is but its the fruit of good and evil that sin which separated us from Him that make judgement on what is good and not good. He created the don't so we see the fruit of what He had in mind later. He's trying to babysit baby tornados everywhere constantly taking because we cant hear from Him unless we have a relationship with Him. Love and faithfulness despite the differences/preferences/temperance and long suffering for another person and being able to die to ourselves for love in action rather than feeling, regarding another above ourselves understanding "boundaries" honors God because He reasoned with us like this (Yeshayahu 1:18). He didn't have to show us anything in all His glory and wisdom but He helps us to see not all things are beneficial. To learn to live by faith and to lean in to hear Him makes a marriage like compromise to stay the path. He makes a way, not our personal fleshly desires. Love not out of obligation, and love has plenty "don'ts" because we learn to reason with wisdom and understanding. It reciprocal in that " I respect and love you" despite our differences. I don't do things I want because I love you more than this this conflict and the emotion of discomfort is temporary"... I loved this debate.
Journey souls honours wise wisdom
The fact that you post it even if rabbi taub won the vote lol
Wonderful "debate" between two ribbis, I know of great rabbi who answered this way - the greatest of the 613 laws is this : Shema uzrael Adonay Elehinu Adonay Echad! thus love Adonay with all your heart mind and soul ! This is the greatest commandment of them all, the second close to it is : love your neighbor as yourself! On these two laws hang all other laws. So since both of them are "positive laws" the DOS are greater than the don'ts . This answers the question sufficiently since the 365 don'ts and the 248 do's are derivatives of the most holy name of Hashem , they are truly One compound , one can not do without the other. But one can point out the greatest as being one with the highest ideal of the law.
Great great debate. I've been reading everyone's comments and I agree with what I've read so far. I'm gonna make a comment from a different perspective. I feel like this is the "elephant in the room." I know the political climate we live in, so I do not at all mean to be offensive. Does the mediator come across a bit snippy, "sassy," or a bit bossy? The two rabbis, I feel, are a lot more gentlemanly/kind/relaxed. In case someone mentions that it's because she's the mediator, I don't see that as an excuse. The Rabbis are Orthodox Rabbi Jews, and a lady seems to be leading them, or holding power over them, which I thought was a no no. I am super new to Judaism (currently a Noahide), and I'm likely missing something. If you respond, please be kind; I promise I mean no offense nor do I desire to cause strife. I'm very ignorant to many things, and like to ask questions. Thank you. I won't get into a debate, since we just saw one. :-)
Women aren’t subservient to men in Judaism. There are many who believe it, but it’s not. A woman can be a moderator , just not sing in front of them (kol isha). She can be a moderator
In all fairness, bringing home flowers to your spouse just because you like bringing flowers, all the while you forgot the birthday, is still a don't, because you forgot about the birthday. And the spouse not bringing flowers but still remembering the birthday... How does that work, how did the spouse actually remember and not brought anything, in what way did the spouse show appreciation by simply remembering? So, both are don'ts in different ways.
A great debate, respectful and coherent.......a bit like Trump v Biden OMG lol...:)
Rabbi.... remember it is easier to ask for forgiveness, than to ask for permission...!!... love your debate... The Episcopalian in Boca.... come to South Florida and Speak....
Rabbi Shais Taub, that is a very good point with the roses, but it appears you are taking the DO side here to a higher level than buying roses in what the husband didn't do that was not love towards his wife, so to do the right thing, was to actually do something, meaning come home on time or let her know that he will be late, right?
if shabbos is holy enough that you dont need to blow shofar how come the gemara in succah says if we have a beit din we do blow and the Rif himself would blow?
He said before that it's from chasidus
@@chaimmneiman3567 but he said that you dont NEED to blow but we clearly see you DO need to, just not allowed to
Listen to the closing remark he says over there something from the rabbi about it
@@chaimmneiman3567 didnt help
We need both approaches in life to live healthy life. We must work and then need to rest. The harmony of work and rest is cosmic principle. When man is in young age, he needs to learn diligently and to accomplish many things but when man grow old, he need to cut useless things and to satisfy what he already achieved and to give them to those who need it desperately. When to work , or when to rest depend on the time and space that one face.
I agree with the statement that the sin is not necessary and without any meaning
You guys need to run for President.
Don’t has more self control. Do can show self control but also lack of.
On the other hand, someone could don't do something merely for lack of courage.
@@vieiracoracao if you are doing the negative commandment for lack of courage, then you have to get your courage back so you are doing it for the right reason. That the commandment was given so you have to face it and then comply to it’s don’t.. In other words, put the strength of your soul into the commandment and if your soul is weak, strengthen it. I think the do IS for the positive and don’t IS for the negative and they both can look at each other and say we’re commandments, we’re good for the soul.
@@rossanderson5243 That's correct. My point is: the "Do "does not necessarily implies self control, but the same applies to the "Don't". Therefore, self control, as important as it may be, cannot solve the question.
@@vieiracoracao You are right too, so maybe we can see self control as one component we use
@@rossanderson5243 Just to make myself clear, yes, self control is one of the fundamental matters of human life. But if we really _Do_ good, we will not even have the desires forbidden by the Don't. Let me give you one example. I'm not shy and I certainly can seduce women; but I love my wife so much that I no longer see any woman with the eyes of seduction. That's why, in this matter, I totally agree with Rabbi Friedman.
But I think understand your point. Most men need the D'ont most that anything, so the D'ont is utterly important too. It can be even considered a more realistic position, considering all the difficulties of the human nature, which, of course, I also know very well. So this is a really good subject and I thank you for this conversation.
Wow,so wow👏
I can't believe that both of these rabbis did not learn the gamara in Shabbos. A positive commandment pushes away a negative commandment only when it is exactly at the same time and when there is a lack of other factors. For instance. Shabbos is a positive and a negative commandment. The Gamara acknowledges this and reverts to the verse "b'yom" of B'yom Hashmeenie." The word "yom" is extra and is there to tell us yom, even if that yom is Shabbos. So, Rabbi Friedman the premise for your argument is false from the beginning. You have to use a different approach.
Was about to write this.
The moderator is obviously biased on Rabbi Friedman!
...I was ignorant, he brought it all around, I stand corrected...
29:42 that point made Rabbi Shais Taub win the debate to me. Even Rabbi Friedman simply said "I'm impressed".
Clear as a blue sky with no humidity! Did you second guess a woman’s response? I am one. So here ‘tis. In the example of the husband coming home with a dozen roses and three hours late, I’ll wonder about why she wouldn’t say, “Busy day, dear?”, if it happened as an odd occurrence. I think trust is very important. Hurt feelings stemming from insecurity and lack of trust is the assumed norm in the explanations. I perceived what was said as his guilt. I don’t see the seriousness or assumed guilt. There is a reality and we need to be present and focused to see it.
If from a house the walls are negative (limiting the size of the house) and the roof is positive (protecting the limited space and connecting the walls, like in the most rudimentary house, like a sukka) indeed the s'chach seems to be more important. But without walls, the roof is the floor. In the entrance of Friedmann (the missed tehilim), why was the neder lost? Because in the Shil apparently, some didn't respect the negative commandments.If I support a mitsve, or I even only open the door to a mitsve .(e.g. positive 202 includes not only to help, but also to see. Originally we say, to wait for being asked to help, as smothering with what you think might help means not to watch, not to care what the other needs and only to care to show off virtue.But many tsadik im pels first oblige others to only speak positive, thus never report a problem. That is equal to demand you next to blindfold you before asking if you see a person in need, it simply means you prevent the fulfillment of the command.), if I make the necessary for a mitsve to happen, it is known that I'll get the equal reward as the person I enabled. Every shabbos you have is enabled by being born and taught Yiddishkeit to those that taught you, your saba taught your tate, who therefore can teach you, which results in shabbatot observed several generations after the first mitsve. Equally goes the chain from an avere (as Mishna Sanhedrin concludes from bereshis "damim" of Abel, that Cain killed potential offspring that Abel might have had, concluding that saving one life is saving one world, but also extinguishing one life is destroying a whole world).HOw many tehilim might have been said if Cain had observed the negative command (not to do), the prohibition of murder? It's like the absurdity to think of our generation worse as we are the heel. Without a heel, the body falls on the forehead. The negative commandments enable the positives, never the other way around.