I think Windows 3.0 on a 8088 is a gimmick from today's standpoint. However my first Windows and PC experience was Windows 3.0 on a 10Mhz 8088 with CGA. Althought it looks slow to a 2018 person, myself included, I remember just taking that for granted as what a computer must be. It was faster than my typewriter and nobody else had a computer on our street at all. It's hard to get back to that place now but it is the honest truth. I was amazed by everything it did in 1990. It booted faster than my typewriter. It was a good enough computer to have me watching these nostalgia videos today. Maybe that's the best compliment I can give the 8088 and CGA.
25 seconds to boot in this video.... I think almost every typewriter I've ever seen is faster then that. My memory is that word processors are faster then that too. ruclips.net/video/eRLy4VqKGiM/видео.html makes it look like I remember right, clocking it at about 5 seconds. What's wrong with your typewriter? :-p Good points though.
@@MontieMongoose it was slow but usable. In fact when it came out I remember calling Microsoft support because i tried to run it with a VGA card and they said it would only run at that resolution on 386 or better. That got me to upgrade. 😁 I was like 13 years old!!
A budget system, without the budget price. Apparently it was still successful enough to be sold for a couple of years, although you'd think be late eighties most PC users would be expecting a 286, a colour monitor and some kind of sound card. I worked in computer retail in the early nineties, and by that time you couldn't give away XTs anymore.
There used to be a BBS hosted by ZDS called ZUG/ HUG (Zenith users group / Heath users group) and they had a section for selling off discounted surplus items. I recall seeing boxes of these in the warehouse, but knew very little about them. Zenith made a well engineered product, but their sales staff overlooked the home consumer market in favor of large volume sales to the federal government and major corporations.
This was my first PC! My Dad bought it in 1988 (I think it was manufactured in Oct 1987) to write his diploma thesis and I got it later when he bought a new PC. It is the EZ-3 Model with the 20/21MB HDD. Haven't turned it on for a long time (I wonder if it still works...). The only issue I had with it, was the serial port. I couldn't get a mouse to work, but serial communication with another PC worked without any problems. Here in Germany I have never seen any expansion modules on ebay. Was looking for a serial/RAM expansion and a RTC. Played some games on it, wrote programs in QuickBasic 4.5 and used Norton Commander. I've always used MS-DOS 3.21D, didn't know it could run Windows 3.
I saw one of these new in box at a local computer reseller a few years ago. I think they wanted $80, but I couldn't even justify buying it at that price!
Paperwhite greyscale is surely better than amber or green (or orange plasma), though? We used to play a few games on the monochrome laptops that our parents brought home, with black and white (or navyblue on weird greyish off-white in one case) and they worked well enough. Doing similar with a tinted mono display would have looked much weirder, even though that would have been rather more comfortable for text editing and using Windows in B/W...
9:41 That ridiculously bulky hump, screwed on the outside of the computer case, just for housing a measly 128K RAM expansion is such a terrible design... And yet, it's what's makes a video like this worth watching.
I actually owned one of these pieces of crap. It had two 720K floppy drives.. and NO HARD DRIVE... it solely worked off 720K floppy disks. Very slow, crappy graphics and display. I got it in 1989 (I believe) One of the first IBM compatible computers I owned. Couldn't even support 1.44MB disks. It played some games with disk swapping, had MS-DOS on it, and I did some programming on it. It works better as a boat anchor than a useable computer :)
@@Caseytify My first computer was a TRS 80 colour computer 2 when I actually wanted to Commodore 64. I have used those older crappy computers when I was in high school but the Zenith was the second computer that I got for Christmas.
I remember looking through the Damark catalogs, and if memory serves, almost everything they sold was refurbished or reconditioned. I don't ever remember seeing this computer, though. That keyboard was made by Alps and bundled with some other Zenith computers offered earlier in the 1980s. The monitor has an excellent display, but monochrome seems like the wrong choice for any home computer from the late 80s. I'd be very surprised if a color model hadn't been considered. At half the price and with a color display, maybe it would have done better. Around these parts, XT-class systems held on surprisingly well into the early 1990s, as did their competition (such as the Apple II and Commodore 64). Didn't the box mention an RTC being included?
The box lists the real-time clock as an option. The monochrome CRT may have been intended to help Zenith use up remaining stock of black & white TV picture tubes.
It was amazing how much those old computers could accomplish with such little memory. The one in this video looks similar to the first PC I had in the early 90s That was about nine computers ago. The desktop I have now is super light. I found it discarded with a missing hard drive. I installed a 500 GB sata. When I found it, it was so light I thought it was an empty case When I opened it I was surprised to see all the works inside had been compressed to about the size two thick paperback books. 64-bit system with a dual-core processor and 4 GB of DDR3. It's still has a few problems but I'm working on it.
*You're *I'm Apparently you have anger issues or are just possessed by the devil. Now, I have better things to do than to talk to a 5 year old on the internet. Have a great life and try not to let your anger rule over you.
That's a pretty neat, if lackluster PC. I thought at first that the ugly box on the back might be the power supply! That thing was pretty smashed up in shipping; props to you for getting it back together so well. What kind of hard drive was originally in it?
I remember getting the Damark catalog back in the 80's or 90's. I eventually bought a Packard Bell pc. Lot of learning on that pc and that was fun times.
I bought this computer in 1988 or 89 from Montgomery Wards. It lasted me many years and I learned DOS on it. I had 512 MB ram and upgraded to 640K with the 1200 baud modem attachment. It was also the first computer I used to access Prodigy through which I did online banking in 1990. Thanks for the memories.
+Flac Or Gtfo Was standard for quite a while though. XP ran fine on 512mb for most of it's realistic life span and Windows 7-10 runs great on 4GB to this day.
I find it interesting that despite that expansion box not being the version with the modem in it, it's still labeled with the FCC Part 68 compliance notice, ringer equivalence, etc. as if it did have the modem...
My first real computer was a Zenith laptop from nearly the same time period, with grayscale CGA screen, 20MB hard drive, MS-DOS 3.21 and Microsoft Works for DOS. Virtually identical in experience to this. Brings back some memories.
Thanks for the review. I had this EaZy PC with the dual drives as my first computer in 1995. I wish I knew more about PCs back then, it would have made my 8 year old life a lot easier if I installed windows 3.0! Having to learn DOS (or whatever it was) at a young age wasnt so bad I guess. Thanks again for the memories!
The Hard disk results are particularly interesting to compare them to modern mechanical hard disks ... 73ms for this, when a WD black HD today can do around 8-10ms. The capacity also has skyrocketed of course. Impressive improvements in technology when you think about it :)
The WD93028 was actually a Tandon design. In the late '80s Western Digital bought out Tandon and carried over their old drives until they could start designing their own new hard drives -- the Caviar series, which were a massive improvement in performance and reliability.
My very first PC. I got mine in Sept 1987 and I still have it today, much to the chagrin of everyone in my family! Great for playing games that were programmed to run off the processor rather than the RTC.
The keyboards of these things are worth more than the entire unit, so it's a shame they'll probably throw away everything else, including the CRTs, which are starting to become more and more rare outside the US.
A pleasant little system, and a nice addition to the Zenith collector. Alas, I don't have the money or the space to get one these days. The styling reminds me of the Zenith Z-148 pizza box. I have one with 1 360k floppy and a 40Mb hard drive. It has a physical turbo switch on the front to swap between 4.77Mz & 8Mz. And, yes, those old Zenith keyboards are nice. I have one XT model F style, and one AT model F (84 key) style. In fact the XT layout is very close to the AT model F layout. Much better than the original PC/XT layout. That double scan monitor is very nice for a text monitor.
I had such keyboard and it was wonderful for Mortal Kombat two players mode, because it was allowing to press even twelve or more keys at the same time. :) Modern keyboards cannot do this.
+Michał Górka My Sidewinder X4 USB keyboard can have all buttons pressed at the same time without any issues! Most "gaming" keyboards can do this but the markup price for them is ridiculous. Not everyone cares about stupid lights.
That is a good keyboard then. :) Congratulations. If I want to play Mortal Kombat 4 with my sister i just plugging two keyboards at the same time and it works good. :)
I used to have one. I got the piggyback modem/128k memory module. My Dad got if fr me in 1988 from Mont. Wards. Mine had 2x3.5 floppy drives and MS-DOS 3.20 and GW Basic. I used to connect to Prodigy back then. Before this one, i had a 1983 TI-99/4A home computer.
I wonder if the increasing repeat rate would be considered an unfair advantage for certain games, yet a nuisance for others. At least it can be toggled on and off (though sometimes not without ending your game!) The monochrome CGA is really rare, at least in the paper white variety. I'm surprised bricks ran on it that well. Would be kind of funny to program in BASIC on that machine, even to the point of writing a program that would display text with various "colors" on the screen, then copying it to a floppy and bringing it to a friend's house, and seeing it in color, finding out those weren't the colors you were expecting.
The grayscales go in linear order from dim to bright, which don't necessarily match up with which colors are brighter than others. In some programs this causes odd effects such as when text that is supposed to be highlighted actually appears dimmer than the rest of the text!
I remember the Damark catalog. If they got you on their mailing list you'd get those things forever it seemed. Plus they used to buy up big sections of advertising in magazines to put mini versions of the catalog in all sorts of publications. They generally sold low-quality stuff, but as a lover of electronics I always looked through them to see what they had ;-)
I restored one of these, Model 1 though and European in my temporary work as "Computer guy" for a recycling center. While the boss did not believe in retro computing after getting right 720k disks written for the zenith and booting stuff like space invaders clone and alley cat in CGA mode the system was sold to some retro computing enthusiast extremely quickly, and I was proud about handling stuff like opening the system getting it dusted and everything. That black and white/grey monochrome monitor made most CGA games it could run look better in my opinion, like high grade gameboy games. It was a real fun system to learn about hard drive free life of a IBM clone. While bosses or "the boss" did not like me playing around with "retro toys" a lot, to me I think it was fair nice deal. I got to play around with a retro tech just about as long as I wanted to, along troubleshooting it up to even grabbing soldering iron etc. I restored/Tested Commodore amigas to IBM AT's and PS/2's and I got really offended when boss said "we do not do personal 'for me' projects on work time" since I had only interest in playing around; not owning any of these PC's - I had no space nor time, and he clearly did not appreciate the prices these things potentially brought in and how fast too - Retro in the place sold much better even if it was priced high than any of their "usable modern" laptops or desktops that took weeks or months to sell... Oh well, salt and fondness both in my memories for this type of job, which sadly is temporary in nature.
Thanks for this trip down memory lane. $1600 brand new! Wow! Commodore 64s were about $600 brand new bare bones; no drives or modem just the bread box. I bought my first 486 DX 33mhz with SVGA monitor for $1200 in '94.
I think your computer reviews are getting better and better as time goes on, they just seem more professional and informative. As for the PC itself, I really don't think having the monitor permanently attached to the case was a good design choice at all, can you rotate or tilt the monitor? You say this computer was expensive considering its specifications, how does it compare in terms of price to, say, the Tandy 1000 SL? If the monitor and the system unit weren't bonded together like that, the plastic may not have suffered that bad damage.
Yes, the monitor does have a tilt/swivel base. The Tandy 1000SL originally cost $899, plus the monitor (ranging from $129 for a monochrome monitor to $399 for a hi-res color CGA monitor).
I watched this video bunches of times and tonight when you were showing off the box and the back of the monitor I just noticed that the address was St. Joesph, Michigan which is interesting because it’s in my home area of Michiana. After doing some research I found out that Zenith Data Systems was based in St. Joesph/Benton Harbor, Michigan which is pretty cool.
To fix the rest of the cracks on the case you could try Elmer's Wood Filler. I used it to fix my dropped Chromebook 😀. The Wood Filler sounds strange but actually it works very nice in my opinion 😀. The keyboard is very nice 😀. It looks like a Model M 😀. I have a Unicomp Model M which is very nice to type on even though I'm not a great typist but I do type better with it 😀. Nice reviews as always 😀.
Excellent video as always! That stinks about that eBay seller, but this was still a great find. I've looked for Leading Edge computers on eBay; they also made IBM clones, and they sponsored some episodes of The Computer Chronicles. I haven't had any luck, though. The company was based in the Boston area, so people back there probably have an easier time finding one of their computers.
@@vwestlife my first computer was a Packard bell. I don't have it anymore but I kind of miss it. It was one of those desktop pizza box style computers. When it was new it had windows 3.11 even though windows 95 had come out 6 months prior to that. People crap on Packard bell but I never had any problems with mine. It was a Packard bell legend.
Ah, my first computer (and only pre-built unless you count the laptops I've owned). I believe the original HD was a Conner Technologies hard drive (at least that's what mine was equipped with). The NEC V40 CPU was pretty good - it did allow some 286 software to be run it that actually won't run on an IBM or clone 808x based system. But for sure there was some incompatibilities (once in a while I'd hit a program that would set off an V20 opcode miss-match error). The mouse port is just a stripped down com port, and yes one can use a modem on it (COM port 2) - believe the issue your experiencing is the line detect is missing and does require some work around else the modem would disconnect because of the missing line detect pin. I ran a Supra 2400 then a Hayes based 9600 baud modem on it with out issue (once I figured out how to work around that little issue). Never found an accessory that would allow one to use standard ISA cards though - I'd be a little hesitant on trying anything. The keyboard was very nice to type on, and there is a way to turn off the clicker (I don't remember how off hand - been waaaaaaay too long ago). For an all in one, it wasn't a bad system for the day... It just wasn't good either (too quirky and very limited expansion option as you put it).
Nice, a brand-new Z-150 keyboard! Normally these came with a black metal ZDS badge and they often had green Alps instead which are highly rated. I haven't tried yellow Alps though; if you want tot sell the keyboard let me know :) .
I was wondering about two things, the bonding of the plastics and the 720k floppies. I have a desktop tower which has its front fascia loosely in place because the plastic tabs are broken. I wondered if the MEK can bond the plastic tabs onto the fascia itself. Secondly, I have a 286 which has a 720k floppy drive, but in my stack, I only have four 720k floppy disks, and it was filled with Lotus 1-2-3. I wondered if it is actually possible to convert a usual 1.44MB High density to a 720k floppy, since formatting it doesn't really work.
In order to format a 1.44 MB disk to 720K you need to cover the hole opposite of the write protect hole with black tape. That is the "media sense" hole which tells the drive you're using a 1.44 MB disk.
I hope I will be the owner of one of these come next Wednesday. There's one at a local shop that I negotiated for $150 and it comes with a keyboard and mouse as well. I dearly hope it works as I can't seem to get a working 80s PC to save my life.
Do you know anything about the "IBM PC Radio"? Saw it on eBay fairly recently, and despite being an IBM fan/collector I'd never heard of that laptop before ;) (in the middle of restoring a 765D and a PS/Note 386)
thanks for some information i recently found one of these in the wild. mine is the 2nd modle (dual 720k flopy drives 512kb ram). unfortunately i didnt get the keyboard for it however i got the box with it too. its unfortunate thats yours got smashed like it did but im glade you fixed it and got it running again
I wasn't a computer owner then so none of this makes any sense to me, I went with an Amiga 1200 in 92 the an Amiga 2000, I didn't even touch a PC until 1997 so this time period of PC is unknown for me Its kinda strange and interesting to me
Definitely. The best trick for any item like that is to use a lot of bubble wrap. I sometimes sell vinyl records online and have a habit of using a lot of it.
I wonder if the case and display they used for this was adapted from a dumb terminal. That the dumb terminal version would have had the power switch in the front. I don't think it would have been to much effort for them to develop an XT class board that would fit in the bottom of one of their existing chassis.
I wonder why the dual floppy / hard drive ones had less memory at first... did the extra 128k sit in the place where the second drive went? So the external box was a way to give the dual disc systems more memory? Shame it can't do the higher resolution graphics... I wonder if it might just need a more specific driver, and whether Zenith ever supplied any for Windows or other programs that could do 640x400? The extra memory is a bit redundant after all, unless it's actually running a graphics mode in order to display DOS text (which would surely be unacceptably slow given the performance we see here), or is double buffering the CGA modes to prevent too much "snow" artefacting, it's not going to be used at all. Or perhaps it originally had AT&T/etc compatibility, but doubling up the number of pixels on screen made it run so glacially slow that they figured the mode was essentially useless and locked it out? (I mean... damn, that's slow, even in straight CGA mode... I thought trying to use a 286 in Windows with a Trident ISA card set at 1024x768 8bpp was sluggish, but it still would have outperformed this...)
I would have liked to have seen you run GEM rather than windows 3.0, noticed that it was in the directory on the HD. It's the GUI that ran on the Atari ST.
Greetings. Even though I know you've since sold your EaZy PC I'm wondering if you played around with changing out the XT-IDE drive with a different model or even trying newer SD-IDE adapters. I'm about to open mine to see if I can add a drive replacement solution for my -2. Thanks in advance. Your XT-IDE video is fabulous BTW.
If you turn off the key click and then later turn off the PC, will the status of the key click setting be remembered between sessions, or will the key click default to on each time the computer is turned on and the keyboard gets power? When did Zenith Data Systems stop making PCs?
The key click defaults to on every time the computer is turned on. Zenith Data Systems was bought out by Groupe Bull and stopped making PCs around 1996 - 1997.
that floppy may use a more original shugart type interface? i have a 3 1/2 floppy like that, has a 4 position drive select switch, only works as a 1.44mb high density, in a normal pc, has no 720k capability but weirdly had it working on a spectrum plus3 as external drive, 180 ish kb, running at 720k/ double density data rate, on 720k disks??!! limited data i could find on it does say 1.44mb only.....didnt know there was such a thing, especially back then!
@@vwestlife what brand/model is it? (the replacement) mine is citizen osda -45a, it certainly looks identical to mine.. it may be possible to rig up an adaptor to use a normal pc one? may have to 'bodge' a ready signal, i had to do that to use it on a spectrum +3, but cant remember what i did, it was in the mid 1990s!
Since pins are missing from the serial port, do you know if it would work with external speech synthesisers like the Artec Transport or DECTalk or DoubleTalk or others?
I was given an XT clone when I was 5 years old (in the mid 90s) that I never really used for anything because the only program I got with it was WordStar. No printer either.
This reminds me of the first PC's we had in a telco, pretty much all company computing needs was handled by a mainframe or two, with a few mini's to flesh it out. These first PC's were used as serial terminals only. Very similar specs to this one, the main difference being no hard drive and the floppy drive not being user accessible. They had some terminal software on a floppy that booted on power on, and that's all they did. You may wonder why?, well this setup was way cheaper than 'proper' serial terminals of the time. I went looking on ebay, yes there is one, $679.99 US, (in 2023) but over a thousand dollars landed in my country, so that can just stay where it is. I wouldn't mind one, but there's no way I'm forking out that much.
Shame about the plastic case during shipping, though at least you were able to fix it somewhat. Not perfect. I'd say it gives it a little character. On the flip side, I've an 8088 system with an all metal case. Talk about hefty!
I think the problem with the floppy drive is leaky capacitors. The floppy in my IBM P70 died because of them leaking all over the board, so i removed them, cleaned the board and fitted new. Good for next 25 years in service.
I have an ezpc 3rd gen. I opened it up and no hard drive. Putting it up for sale. Still have the box, keyboard, mouse and some 3 1/2 floppys. Do you or anyone else have a working Western Digital like the one in the video?
I grew up with one of these as a kid in the late 80s / early 90s. Learned to program on it, took it apart.. Got me into computers and I miss mine dearly. Would give bits of my reproductive anatomy to get my hands on another one.
I'm actually looking to sell my EaZy PC at a reasonable price. Contact me via the "for business inquiries" e-mail link on the About page of my RUclips channel if you're interested.
I think Windows 3.0 on a 8088 is a gimmick from today's standpoint. However my first Windows and PC experience was Windows 3.0 on a 10Mhz 8088 with CGA. Althought it looks slow to a 2018 person, myself included, I remember just taking that for granted as what a computer must be. It was faster than my typewriter and nobody else had a computer on our street at all. It's hard to get back to that place now but it is the honest truth. I was amazed by everything it did in 1990. It booted faster than my typewriter. It was a good enough computer to have me watching these nostalgia videos today. Maybe that's the best compliment I can give the 8088 and CGA.
25 seconds to boot in this video.... I think almost every typewriter I've ever seen is faster then that. My memory is that word processors are faster then that too. ruclips.net/video/eRLy4VqKGiM/видео.html makes it look like I remember right, clocking it at about 5 seconds. What's wrong with your typewriter? :-p Good points though.
I remember running Windows 3.0 on a 286 with EGA and thinking it was too slow, I can't imagine it being very usable on an 8088.
@@MontieMongoose it was slow but usable. In fact when it came out I remember calling Microsoft support because i tried to run it with a VGA card and they said it would only run at that resolution on 386 or better. That got me to upgrade. 😁 I was like 13 years old!!
A budget system, without the budget price. Apparently it was still successful enough to be sold for a couple of years, although you'd think be late eighties most PC users would be expecting a 286, a colour monitor and some kind of sound card. I worked in computer retail in the early nineties, and by that time you couldn't give away XTs anymore.
I wonder if the name Eazy PC was a play on the UK term easy peasy.
+tallboyyyy probbably unintentional, but maybe yes.
we use that in the states too
We use it in the states, too, but we don't know what it means.
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There used to be a BBS hosted by ZDS called ZUG/ HUG (Zenith users group / Heath users group) and they had a section for selling off discounted surplus items. I recall seeing boxes of these in the warehouse, but knew very little about them. Zenith made a well engineered product, but their sales staff overlooked the home consumer market in favor of large volume sales to the federal government and major corporations.
This was my first PC! My Dad bought it in 1988 (I think it was manufactured in Oct 1987) to write his diploma thesis and I got it later when he bought a new PC. It is the EZ-3 Model with the 20/21MB HDD. Haven't turned it on for a long time (I wonder if it still works...). The only issue I had with it, was the serial port. I couldn't get a mouse to work, but serial communication with another PC worked without any problems. Here in Germany I have never seen any expansion modules on ebay. Was looking for a serial/RAM expansion and a RTC. Played some games on it, wrote programs in QuickBasic 4.5 and used Norton Commander. I've always used MS-DOS 3.21D, didn't know it could run Windows 3.
Hola: Gracias por subir estos videos. Son muy entretenidos. Esos equipos me recuerdan a los computadores de mi colegio.
I saw one of these new in box at a local computer reseller a few years ago. I think they wanted $80, but I couldn't even justify buying it at that price!
The Obsolete Geek I was about to tell you why didn't you get it until I realized I was replying to the Obsolete Geek.
Easy-PC is like easy-peezy folks!! lol
Paperwhite greyscale is surely better than amber or green (or orange plasma), though? We used to play a few games on the monochrome laptops that our parents brought home, with black and white (or navyblue on weird greyish off-white in one case) and they worked well enough. Doing similar with a tinted mono display would have looked much weirder, even though that would have been rather more comfortable for text editing and using Windows in B/W...
9:41 That ridiculously bulky hump, screwed on the outside of the computer case, just for housing a measly 128K RAM expansion is such a terrible design... And yet, it's what's makes a video like this worth watching.
Yepp, this idea came from PCJr of IBM.
I actually owned one of these pieces of crap. It had two 720K floppy drives.. and NO HARD DRIVE... it solely worked off 720K floppy disks. Very slow, crappy graphics and display. I got it in 1989 (I believe) One of the first IBM compatible computers I owned. Couldn't even support 1.44MB disks. It played some games with disk swapping, had MS-DOS on it, and I did some programming on it. It works better as a boat anchor than a useable computer :)
You obviously never worked with an original PC/XT two 360k floppy system with a CGA display. :)
@@Caseytify My first computer was a TRS 80 colour computer 2 when I actually wanted to Commodore 64. I have used those older crappy computers when I was in high school but the Zenith was the second computer that I got for Christmas.
I remember looking through the Damark catalogs, and if memory serves, almost everything they sold was refurbished or reconditioned. I don't ever remember seeing this computer, though.
That keyboard was made by Alps and bundled with some other Zenith computers offered earlier in the 1980s.
The monitor has an excellent display, but monochrome seems like the wrong choice for any home computer from the late 80s. I'd be very surprised if a color model hadn't been considered. At half the price and with a color display, maybe it would have done better. Around these parts, XT-class systems held on surprisingly well into the early 1990s, as did their competition (such as the Apple II and Commodore 64).
Didn't the box mention an RTC being included?
The box lists the real-time clock as an option. The monochrome CRT may have been intended to help Zenith use up remaining stock of black & white TV picture tubes.
I love the sound of the keyboard keys, it sounds like an old AS400! It has such a 90s Hacker vibe!
It was amazing how much those old computers could accomplish with such little memory. The one in this video looks similar to the first PC I had in the early 90s That was about nine computers ago. The desktop I have now is super light. I found it discarded with a missing hard drive. I installed a 500 GB sata. When I found it, it was so light I thought it was an empty case When I opened it I was surprised to see all the works inside had been compressed to about the size two thick paperback books. 64-bit system with a dual-core processor and 4 GB of DDR3. It's still has a few problems but I'm working on it.
You KNOW your computer is slow when even Solitare runs slow. LOL
+Viper Jay 5 That's the slowest Solitaire I've ever seen :)
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Apparently you have anger issues or are just possessed by the devil. Now, I have better things to do than to talk to a 5 year old on the internet. Have a great life and try not to let your anger rule over you.
"...standard floppy drive any kind of modern PC would use"
I think you and I have very different definitions of the word 'modern'.
Compared to this computer, anything made in the past 15 years is "modern".
vwestlife
Fair Enough.
and a lot of modern PCs have some way of connecting a floppy drive internally
Presenting the new book:
16 shades of gray.
That advert the page after the review, that actually made me laugh. They really had no chance.
That's a pretty neat, if lackluster PC. I thought at first that the ugly box on the back might be the power supply! That thing was pretty smashed up in shipping; props to you for getting it back together so well.
What kind of hard drive was originally in it?
The original hard drive was also a WD93028-X.
I remember getting the Damark catalog back in the 80's or 90's. I eventually bought a Packard Bell pc. Lot of learning on that pc and that was fun times.
I bought this computer in 1988 or 89 from Montgomery Wards. It lasted me many years and I learned DOS on it. I had 512 MB ram and upgraded to 640K with the 1200 baud modem attachment. It was also the first computer I used to access Prodigy through which I did online banking in 1990. Thanks for the memories.
that keyboard sounds like it's a joy to type on
Yeah. Now THAT's a keyboard!
640K ought to be enough memory for anyone.
-- a line often attributed to Bill Gates, even though he never actually said it.
+vwestlife Oh, I have no clue who said it. I just like the saying.
+Flac Or Gtfo Was standard for quite a while though. XP ran fine on 512mb for most of it's realistic life span and Windows 7-10 runs great on 4GB to this day.
+Sean Metivier Windows 7-10 runs great on 2GB to this day :P
+Mark Ski not if you browse the web or game
I find it interesting that despite that expansion box not being the version with the modem in it, it's still labeled with the FCC Part 68 compliance notice, ringer equivalence, etc. as if it did have the modem...
My first real computer was a Zenith laptop from nearly the same time period, with grayscale CGA screen, 20MB hard drive, MS-DOS 3.21 and Microsoft Works for DOS. Virtually identical in experience to this. Brings back some memories.
I won a Model 2 back in the day when I was a student at UBC in Vancouver. It did a lot of work for me… and played a lot of games too :)
That keyboard sound is very ASMR inducing.
Also it helps that vwestlife has a soothing voice to accompany the keboard's sound ;)
+MegaBojan1993 his real name is kevin
+MegaBojan1993 He sounds like Fat Tony from the Simpsons.
+Farhan Nazar I know
Thanks for the review. I had this EaZy PC with the dual drives as my first computer in 1995. I wish I knew more about PCs back then, it would have made my 8 year old life a lot easier if I installed windows 3.0! Having to learn DOS (or whatever it was) at a young age wasnt so bad I guess. Thanks again for the memories!
The Hard disk results are particularly interesting to compare them to modern mechanical hard disks ... 73ms for this, when a WD black HD today can do around 8-10ms. The capacity also has skyrocketed of course. Impressive improvements in technology when you think about it :)
The WD93028 was actually a Tandon design. In the late '80s Western Digital bought out Tandon and carried over their old drives until they could start designing their own new hard drives -- the Caviar series, which were a massive improvement in performance and reliability.
Nice video mate. Keep up the fun work.
Ps: Love the old HDD sound and typing of that keyboard haha.
This was my first computer back in 1995. I didnt have a GUI OS though, only DOS and was Model 2 (Dual floppys). Thanks for the memories!
My very first PC. I got mine in Sept 1987 and I still have it today, much to the chagrin of everyone in my family! Great for playing games that were programmed to run off the processor rather than the RTC.
The keyboards of these things are worth more than the entire unit, so it's a shame they'll probably throw away everything else, including the CRTs, which are starting to become more and more rare outside the US.
A pleasant little system, and a nice addition to the Zenith collector. Alas, I don't have the money or the space to get one these days. The styling reminds me of the Zenith Z-148 pizza box. I have one with 1 360k floppy and a 40Mb hard drive. It has a physical turbo switch on the front to swap between 4.77Mz & 8Mz.
And, yes, those old Zenith keyboards are nice. I have one XT model F style, and one AT model F (84 key) style. In fact the XT layout is very close to the AT model F layout. Much better than the original PC/XT layout.
That double scan monitor is very nice for a text monitor.
I had such keyboard and it was wonderful for Mortal Kombat two players mode, because it was allowing to press even twelve or more keys at the same time. :) Modern keyboards cannot do this.
+Michał Górka 12 at a time is pointless, unless you have 6 or more fingers per hand
But I am talking about situation where two players playing Mortal Kombat using one keyboard at the same time.
Michał Górka ok
+Michał Górka My Sidewinder X4 USB keyboard can have all buttons pressed at the same time without any issues!
Most "gaming" keyboards can do this but the markup price for them is ridiculous. Not everyone cares about stupid lights.
That is a good keyboard then. :) Congratulations. If I want to play Mortal Kombat 4 with my sister i just plugging two keyboards at the same time and it works good. :)
I used to have one. I got the piggyback modem/128k memory module. My Dad got if fr me in 1988 from Mont. Wards. Mine had 2x3.5 floppy drives and MS-DOS 3.20 and GW Basic. I used to connect to Prodigy back then. Before this one, i had a 1983 TI-99/4A home computer.
I wonder if the increasing repeat rate would be considered an unfair advantage for certain games, yet a nuisance for others. At least it can be toggled on and off (though sometimes not without ending your game!)
The monochrome CGA is really rare, at least in the paper white variety. I'm surprised bricks ran on it that well. Would be kind of funny to program in BASIC on that machine, even to the point of writing a program that would display text with various "colors" on the screen, then copying it to a floppy and bringing it to a friend's house, and seeing it in color, finding out those weren't the colors you were expecting.
The grayscales go in linear order from dim to bright, which don't necessarily match up with which colors are brighter than others. In some programs this causes odd effects such as when text that is supposed to be highlighted actually appears dimmer than the rest of the text!
vwestlife My point exactly!
So I'm guessing it can't run Doom.
No it can't. It can't even play Wolfenstein 3D.
I doubt this would even run Lemmings
But can it run Minecraft?
Of course not. What do you expect from a computer that old?
Have you tried the Hercules graphics driver with this system?
I remember the Damark catalog. If they got you on their mailing list you'd get those things forever it seemed. Plus they used to buy up big sections of advertising in magazines to put mini versions of the catalog in all sorts of publications. They generally sold low-quality stuff, but as a lover of electronics I always looked through them to see what they had ;-)
found the box for my uncle's IBM Aptiva desktop in the closet a few years ago. I'm surprised he didn't throw it out
I restored one of these, Model 1 though and European in my temporary work as "Computer guy" for a recycling center. While the boss did not believe in retro computing after getting right 720k disks written for the zenith and booting stuff like space invaders clone and alley cat in CGA mode the system was sold to some retro computing enthusiast extremely quickly, and I was proud about handling stuff like opening the system getting it dusted and everything. That black and white/grey monochrome monitor made most CGA games it could run look better in my opinion, like high grade gameboy games. It was a real fun system to learn about hard drive free life of a IBM clone.
While bosses or "the boss" did not like me playing around with "retro toys" a lot, to me I think it was fair nice deal. I got to play around with a retro tech just about as long as I wanted to, along troubleshooting it up to even grabbing soldering iron etc. I restored/Tested Commodore amigas to IBM AT's and PS/2's and I got really offended when boss said "we do not do personal 'for me' projects on work time" since I had only interest in playing around; not owning any of these PC's - I had no space nor time, and he clearly did not appreciate the prices these things potentially brought in and how fast too - Retro in the place sold much better even if it was priced high than any of their "usable modern" laptops or desktops that took weeks or months to sell... Oh well, salt and fondness both in my memories for this type of job, which sadly is temporary in nature.
Damn, the bosses not seeing how quickly the retro stuff sold and demanding you stop, to focus on… what wasn’t moving… what terrible business acumen.
Thanks for this trip down memory lane. $1600 brand new! Wow! Commodore 64s were about $600 brand new bare bones; no drives or modem just the bread box. I bought my first 486 DX 33mhz with SVGA monitor for $1200 in '94.
I think your computer reviews are getting better and better as time goes on, they just seem more professional and informative. As for the PC itself, I really don't think having the monitor permanently attached to the case was a good design choice at all, can you rotate or tilt the monitor? You say this computer was expensive considering its specifications, how does it compare in terms of price to, say, the Tandy 1000 SL? If the monitor and the system unit weren't bonded together like that, the plastic may not have suffered that bad damage.
Yes, the monitor does have a tilt/swivel base. The Tandy 1000SL originally cost $899, plus the monitor (ranging from $129 for a monochrome monitor to $399 for a hi-res color CGA monitor).
I see, so it was still cheaper than this PC. I wonder why Zenith went with a black and white monitor and not a green phosphor display.
That MEK is nasty stuff. We used it to remove the glue holding the heaters onto the C-130's propeller blades.
I watched this video bunches of times and tonight when you were showing off the box and the back of the monitor I just noticed that the address was St. Joesph, Michigan which is interesting because it’s in my home area of Michiana. After doing some research I found out that Zenith Data Systems was based in St. Joesph/Benton Harbor, Michigan which is pretty cool.
To fix the rest of the cracks on the case you could try Elmer's Wood Filler. I used it to fix my dropped Chromebook 😀. The Wood Filler sounds strange but actually it works very nice in my opinion 😀. The keyboard is very nice 😀. It looks like a Model M 😀. I have a Unicomp Model M which is very nice to type on even though I'm not a great typist but I do type better with it 😀. Nice reviews as always 😀.
I remember the Damark catalog- I loved reading it when I was little, mainly because it had a lot of electronics.
Does It run GTA VI?
Excellent video as always! That stinks about that eBay seller, but this was still a great find. I've looked for Leading Edge computers on eBay; they also made IBM clones, and they sponsored some episodes of The Computer Chronicles. I haven't had any luck, though. The company was based in the Boston area, so people back there probably have an easier time finding one of their computers.
Leading Edge was a popular budget brand in the Northeast, similar to Packard Bell.
+vwestlife Gotcha, thanks!
@@vwestlife my first computer was a Packard bell. I don't have it anymore but I kind of miss it. It was one of those desktop pizza box style computers.
When it was new it had windows 3.11 even though windows 95 had come out 6 months prior to that.
People crap on Packard bell but I never had any problems with mine. It was a Packard bell legend.
Zenith, the king of color CRTs, has the audacity to use a monochrome monitor on their computer
Zenith Data Systems was a stand alone subsidiary of Zenith Electronics Corp. No shared engineering.
Vadem's primary business was ASICs, for which purpose I don't remember. They did make some very nice handheld computers.
"the quality goes in before the name goes on"
this insinuates they have a version that's not zenith with lower quality.
backdoor deals, anyone?
MS Works … Wow I remember using that to write papers for school - great memories - Thanks👍
Ah, my first computer (and only pre-built unless you count the laptops I've owned). I believe the original HD was a Conner Technologies hard drive (at least that's what mine was equipped with). The NEC V40 CPU was pretty good - it did allow some 286 software to be run it that actually won't run on an IBM or clone 808x based system. But for sure there was some incompatibilities (once in a while I'd hit a program that would set off an V20 opcode miss-match error). The mouse port is just a stripped down com port, and yes one can use a modem on it (COM port 2) - believe the issue your experiencing is the line detect is missing and does require some work around else the modem would disconnect because of the missing line detect pin. I ran a Supra 2400 then a Hayes based 9600 baud modem on it with out issue (once I figured out how to work around that little issue). Never found an accessory that would allow one to use standard ISA cards though - I'd be a little hesitant on trying anything. The keyboard was very nice to type on, and there is a way to turn off the clicker (I don't remember how off hand - been waaaaaaay too long ago). For an all in one, it wasn't a bad system for the day... It just wasn't good either (too quirky and very limited expansion option as you put it).
"Easy to afford PC"
More like for Compaq
The PC might have originally been intended to be a standalone desktop (per the power switch's alleged relocation).
Nice, a brand-new Z-150 keyboard! Normally these came with a black metal ZDS badge and they often had green Alps instead which are highly rated. I haven't tried yellow Alps though; if you want tot sell the keyboard let me know :) .
I was wondering about two things, the bonding of the plastics and the 720k floppies.
I have a desktop tower which has its front fascia loosely in place because the plastic tabs are broken. I wondered if the MEK can bond the plastic tabs onto the fascia itself.
Secondly, I have a 286 which has a 720k floppy drive, but in my stack, I only have four 720k floppy disks, and it was filled with Lotus 1-2-3. I wondered if it is actually possible to convert a usual 1.44MB High density to a 720k floppy, since formatting it doesn't really work.
In order to format a 1.44 MB disk to 720K you need to cover the hole opposite of the write protect hole with black tape. That is the "media sense" hole which tells the drive you're using a 1.44 MB disk.
I hope I will be the owner of one of these come next Wednesday. There's one at a local shop that I negotiated for $150 and it comes with a keyboard and mouse as well. I dearly hope it works as I can't seem to get a working 80s PC to save my life.
Do you know anything about the "IBM PC Radio"? Saw it on eBay fairly recently, and despite being an IBM fan/collector I'd never heard of that laptop before ;) (in the middle of restoring a 765D and a PS/Note 386)
Too bad you didn't open up the RAM expansion module. I wanted to see inside that.
likely just a load of 4164s or 4464s or similar,
@@andygozzo72 Still nice to see.
@@infinitecanadian yep, and photo it for historical purposes..
thanks for some information
i recently found one of these in the wild. mine is the 2nd modle (dual 720k flopy drives 512kb ram). unfortunately i didnt get the keyboard for it however i got the box with it too.
its unfortunate thats yours got smashed like it did but im glade you fixed it and got it running again
OH EM GEEEEE I had this same computer!!!! MEMORIES!!!! That was state of the art back then!!!!
I wasn't a computer owner then so none of this makes any sense to me, I went with an Amiga 1200 in 92 the an Amiga 2000, I didn't even touch a PC until 1997 so this time period of PC is unknown for me Its kinda strange and interesting to me
Reminded me of using my old Heath/Zenith computer that used Z-100 (or maybe it was ZDOS) version of MSDOS.
Reminds me a lot of the Commodore PET and the compact macs.
Devices with heavy metal bases and lightweight plastic upper cases tend to be easily damaged in shipping. Examples: Casio FZ-1, Technics SL-7.
Definitely. The best trick for any item like that is to use a lot of bubble wrap. I sometimes sell vinyl records online and have a habit of using a lot of it.
had one of these back in 1989, bought it on close out at montgomery ward.... $449 if I remember correctly. Fun little DOS system.
I wonder if the case and display they used for this was adapted from a dumb terminal. That the dumb terminal version would have had the power switch in the front. I don't think it would have been to much effort for them to develop an XT class board that would fit in the bottom of one of their existing chassis.
That was a thorough and informative review. You presented it very well.
Around that time, my Mother worked for a bank and she came home with a Compaq Portable PC, it had a hard drive in it and a 5.25 floppy dirve.
I used to had Zenith PC in my early days. I forgot its model name.
That double scan text mode looks lovely.
I wonder why the dual floppy / hard drive ones had less memory at first... did the extra 128k sit in the place where the second drive went? So the external box was a way to give the dual disc systems more memory?
Shame it can't do the higher resolution graphics... I wonder if it might just need a more specific driver, and whether Zenith ever supplied any for Windows or other programs that could do 640x400? The extra memory is a bit redundant after all, unless it's actually running a graphics mode in order to display DOS text (which would surely be unacceptably slow given the performance we see here), or is double buffering the CGA modes to prevent too much "snow" artefacting, it's not going to be used at all.
Or perhaps it originally had AT&T/etc compatibility, but doubling up the number of pixels on screen made it run so glacially slow that they figured the mode was essentially useless and locked it out?
(I mean... damn, that's slow, even in straight CGA mode... I thought trying to use a 286 in Windows with a Trident ISA card set at 1024x768 8bpp was sluggish, but it still would have outperformed this...)
I would have liked to have seen you run GEM rather than windows 3.0, noticed that it was in the directory on the HD. It's the GUI that ran on the Atari ST.
Thanks for sharing this one with us!
Greetings. Even though I know you've since sold your EaZy PC I'm wondering if you played around with changing out the XT-IDE drive with a different model or even trying newer SD-IDE adapters. I'm about to open mine to see if I can add a drive replacement solution for my -2. Thanks in advance. Your XT-IDE video is fabulous BTW.
Does the base of the CPU stick out of the chassis? Isn't that bad for it?
I would love it if someone could make an hour+ recording of one of these old hard drives spinning. They make a really enjoyable drone.
This is cool... This youtube channel has actually taught me a lot about computers :)
Thanks VWestLife
Seeing MS Works for DOS and Windows 3.0 bought back some memories if only you had Wordstar too that would complete it :)
gay
Of course I am! :-)
lol?
I'm confused now
Confused by what?
Wonderful look at a unique system. Nice work.
What camera did you use to shoot the video footage?
I used a Canon FS200 for the handheld footage and a Sony HDR-CX360 (in SD mode) for the screenshots.
vwestlife If the fs200 is a standard def camera, what (other than qtgmc) are you using to upscale such that RUclips recognizes it as 60p?
Oh man, that thing was completely shattered! Nice job on the repair. Hey, now you'll know what to do if it happens again!
Oh man, the sound of playing bricks on this system. I’ve spend so many hours on this.
If you turn off the key click and then later turn off the PC, will the status of the key click setting be remembered between sessions, or will the key click default to on each time the computer is turned on and the keyboard gets power? When did Zenith Data Systems stop making PCs?
The key click defaults to on every time the computer is turned on. Zenith Data Systems was bought out by Groupe Bull and stopped making PCs around 1996 - 1997.
My first PC. Just had the 512K RAM. Loved it anyway. Made my first steps in DOS and QBASIC with this "Beast" :-D
that floppy may use a more original shugart type interface? i have a 3 1/2 floppy like that, has a 4 position drive select switch, only works as a 1.44mb high density, in a normal pc, has no 720k capability but weirdly had it working on a spectrum plus3 as external drive, 180 ish kb, running at 720k/ double density data rate, on 720k disks??!! limited data i could find on it does say 1.44mb only.....didnt know there was such a thing, especially back then!
Correct, I think it uses the Shugart interface, not IBM's modification of it.
@@vwestlife what brand/model is it? (the replacement) mine is citizen osda -45a, it certainly looks identical to mine.. it may be possible to rig up an adaptor to use a normal pc one? may have to 'bodge' a ready signal, i had to do that to use it on a spectrum +3, but cant remember what i did, it was in the mid 1990s!
Since pins are missing from the serial port, do you know if it would work with external speech synthesisers like the Artec Transport or DECTalk or DoubleTalk or others?
I have no idea.
likely so many pins on serial cables are dead/unused
I was given an XT clone when I was 5 years old (in the mid 90s) that I never really used for anything because the only program I got with it was WordStar. No printer either.
Working... Whatahell :) After 27 year? No dead caps?
which modern PC uses a floppy drive?
Mine does.
This reminds me of the first PC's we had in a telco, pretty much all company computing needs was handled by a mainframe or two, with a few mini's to flesh it out. These first PC's were used as serial terminals only. Very similar specs to this one, the main difference being no hard drive and the floppy drive not being user accessible.
They had some terminal software on a floppy that booted on power on, and that's all they did.
You may wonder why?, well this setup was way cheaper than 'proper' serial terminals of the time.
I went looking on ebay, yes there is one, $679.99 US, (in 2023) but over a thousand dollars landed in my country, so that can just stay where it is. I wouldn't mind one, but there's no way I'm forking out that much.
Please do a review on the Poquet PC.
If I had one, I would.
+vwestlife Here is a little something about it-
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poqet_PC
Rats, 404 on that forum link
I think ill start calling hdd's "winchester" now. whats the backstory of that?
I wanted to see the pictures :(
Damn that sucks. I remember it working like 2 years ago maybe.
Shame about the plastic case during shipping, though at least you were able to fix it somewhat. Not perfect. I'd say it gives it a little character. On the flip side, I've an 8088 system with an all metal case. Talk about hefty!
I have a pile of the old IBM mechanical keyboards from old PC XT machines
Wow, that keyboard sounds amazing
I never saw the spelling of the name of this PC but I somehow knew that it was spelled with a Z instead of an s
I think the problem with the floppy drive is leaky capacitors. The floppy in my IBM P70 died because of them leaking all over the board, so i removed them, cleaned the board and fitted new. Good for next 25 years in service.
I have an ezpc 3rd gen. I opened it up and no hard drive. Putting it up for sale. Still have the box, keyboard, mouse and some 3 1/2 floppys. Do you or anyone else have a working Western Digital like the one in the video?
It can also use a Seagate ST-325X or ST-351A/X hard drive. They are easier to find in working condition than the Western Digital drives.
I grew up with one of these as a kid in the late 80s / early 90s. Learned to program on it, took it apart.. Got me into computers and I miss mine dearly.
Would give bits of my reproductive anatomy to get my hands on another one.
I'm actually looking to sell my EaZy PC at a reasonable price. Contact me via the "for business inquiries" e-mail link on the About page of my RUclips channel if you're interested.
@@vwestlife I emailed as instructed- just waiting on a response :)