Very nice and compact video that covers it all! Only thing I'd add: It was very helpful for me to learn a transition jump first. The backloops pull you quite a bit against your jumping direction so you might get turned sideways and land with a mean backedge :P
Hi Sam, great videos this one fantastic too. The toilet seat position thing was never on my radar , after watching this video weeks ago, I started to focus to bring my body into this position and wow.. my confidence in looping exploded and my height with it, never felt this safe looping. 🙏 🤙👍😃
Hi, thank you for the advices, great video! But I always wonder in which direction I have to do the loop. If I prefer to jump with my right foot in front and landing with my right foot in front as well, should I thus loop the kite to the right(front hand) or to the left (back hand)? The same question goes for the downloop 🙃 Thank you!!!😇
Cheers Sam, it worked! In one session I went from water starts to jump transitions with loops. Struggled on the kite loop on the dark slide - any suggestions, perhaps a vid?
I always thought the same.. How high do you jump? At some point my woo measured 9.5+ meters. That was the point I started to do heliloops automatically. Do you have the pendulum-effect yet when coming down? It only happens above some specific height (kite and jump technique dependent). When you're still in the air while the kite will go too far behind/above you, you'll automatically pull the kite forward in one direction to keep it from doing a fronstall. And boom, that's your first heliloop!
Hi Sam, I see you ride the Refraction 147 with straps, does that wakestyle board handle the chop well ? I really like big board, have a Jaime love it on flat water but the medium rocker makes it quite hard in the chop
Longer lines = easier to loop safely! The shorter the lines, the higher the difference of angles. If your loop is always 5m radius, having very short lines means the loop will go from 12 o'clock through the powerzone, while having very long lines means the loop will just be a little circle at 12 o'clock. These amazing shots you'll see with the kite going beneath the kiter in the air are all done with 12-18m lines! But very easy to crash hard!
@@Habixus not totally true, shorter lines have the benefit of the kite not having to travel as far to catch you. ie you'll get the lift from the kite earlier after the loop and wont crash to the water
I slammed so hard trying this for the first time the other day. No idea where I went wrong.. I might have been too late.. I expected a smooth heli loop but instead got yanked forward so hard 😅
Well, @Niko Koopmann, there is so much subconscious movements that expert perform without even themselves knowing, that makes such videos a good reference, but certainly not sufficient. I really like this video, especially the part where Sam suggest's trying the kite loop in the water start position. I haven't thought about this before, and it seems the safest way to go about it.
@@OutForIt I can do heli loops by now😀. The key for me was to jump high and then push in the bar a bit to swing under the kite enough. And then aim for a straight fast downwind landing and just bring the kite back in front of you with a smooth loop 🤗.
I'm trying to give the KITELOOP, I use XR6 8M, but I can't, the kite always goes to water, I'm trying to see what I'm doing wrong, but it seems that the kite doesn't spin, even though it's small...
depends strongly on your kite, kite-size, radius of loop and how early you pull that loop. But even if you not want to do an heli-loop, if your kite reaching the Zenit during the jump or during downwind landing, you have to steer it extremely firm down or you will loose line-tension and your kite can fall out of the sky. You have to steer so firmly that I found it easier to just do an second Loop but because you travel so much downwind it doesnt have much pull and its realy soft.
But using this "toilet Position" is just for learning right? Most rider I have seen get straighten out in some kind of superman position, which looks and feels much cooler. But with that, I sometimes have an issue with "tangling legs" . Any tips to avoid that?
i don't think the toilet position is just for learning, its just a more stable position, some riders let their legs go behind to make it look more dramatic
Hey Sam. Great video! I have a question. I was looping my 10m pivot recently like a maniac. Not too big loops more like 5m high on my pivot in 20-25knots. It was going great i was landing downwind everytime with lot of speed. Until last Monday i looped it and somehow got thrown off axis. I was flying sideways very hard towards water and i crashed hard too it all to my ribs. Luckily i had impact vest but the ribs even not broken are still badly bruised. While im healing im wondering what happened and how to prevent it in the future. I want to keep looping but i cant be pulled off axis like this again cos im scared ill break myself more. Suggestions? I am trying to have good upwind takeoff not go too high yet. Im trying to tense up abs. Maybe that loop was a bit sloppy but until i pulled it it felt okay. How to prevent loosing stability at all cost?
I don't think there is a way to avoid crashes from time to time with or without loops, safest way for crashing should be that you let the board off and land legs first then butt. Going upper body first other than painful for the ribs you might also dislocate your shoulder if your arm goes into the water first.
Same thing was happening to me. My buddy told me to keep my legs hanging down after the initial pop. I was kinda doing poop position and spinning 🤷♂️gonna give it a shit next time
I have the same issue some times. Does it twist you in the frontroll or backroll direction? I have the suspicion that is may cause by steering the Kite to far beyond 12, so the kite loops more sideways and the pull align the Boday sideways to.
here just a quick question, whats the best time for trying your first kiteloop in terms of kitesurfing level, like I know most tricks don't translate but what stuff should you have down before trying one. Cheers
Be comfortable jumping and landing at high speed. Perhaps try heli loops first 😊 Another thing that people don't mention in tutorials is that you should try to jump with the kite straight above your head before pulling the loop. So try to avoid steering the kite far past 12 sice this will force the kite to go really deep in the wind window.
Great video, did some of my first backloops yesterday around 10-15 ft, can't wait to go higher.
Great video, been working on downloop tranisions and this stuff was the stuff i wanted to try on my next sesh!
Huge thanks for your tips, especially about "sitting on toilet" position! It helped me to have better control when I'm in the air! Nice 👍
Very nice and compact video that covers it all! Only thing I'd add: It was very helpful for me to learn a transition jump first. The backloops pull you quite a bit against your jumping direction so you might get turned sideways and land with a mean backedge :P
I agree... The jump transition also helped me with my kiteloops to adjust to the yank in another direction.
to the Point! Best Kiteloop Video so far....
Best kitelooping video I've seen so far!!
thanks!
Great explanation; will reserve this for the next season.
I am on my Slingshot B3, I always thought you're not supposed to get the lines twisted, ha, I learned something from this video!
After doing any back rolls or loops just spin the bar back to where it was and you’ll be set
Can’t get enough of you ❤ thanks for the video
Nice one dude!
AWSOME DUDE, MANY THNKS!
Hi Sam, great videos this one fantastic too. The toilet seat position thing was never on my radar , after watching this video weeks ago, I started to focus to bring my body into this position and wow.. my confidence in looping exploded and my height with it, never felt this safe looping. 🙏 🤙👍😃
Hey dude, thats great to hear! Thanks for the feedback
Great video, nice to see it’s doable with a small jumps to break the seal
Great vid my friend. Very helpful.
Howdy neighbor. :)
Big Thank Man 🙏have a good wind😊
"You just can't beat a good YANK"
Yep. 0:04 But why single out Americans ? Why not "You just can't beat a good AUSSIE" or "You just can't beat a good KIWI" ? Am I missing something ? 😜
K Shred
Dad joke!
LOL
How you gonna shred if you getting offended by dumb shit 🤔
So funny 😂
Morning and night!
Really well made video man..💥 thank you so much 💪i need this🎉
Hi, thank you for the advices, great video! But I always wonder in which direction I have to do the loop. If I prefer to jump with my right foot in front and landing with my right foot in front as well, should I thus loop the kite to the right(front hand) or to the left (back hand)? The same question goes for the downloop 🙃
Thank you!!!😇
Cheers Sam, it worked! In one session I went from water starts to jump transitions with loops. Struggled on the kite loop on the dark slide - any suggestions, perhaps a vid?
No worries! Thats great to hear, good idea!
You make that look so easy. Any chance of a video to help someone do their first heli looping? Just can’t seem to go for it.
I always thought the same.. How high do you jump? At some point my woo measured 9.5+ meters. That was the point I started to do heliloops automatically. Do you have the pendulum-effect yet when coming down? It only happens above some specific height (kite and jump technique dependent). When you're still in the air while the kite will go too far behind/above you, you'll automatically pull the kite forward in one direction to keep it from doing a fronstall. And boom, that's your first heliloop!
yea i agree with Raaz Pa., get some more height and when the kite is getting really high above your head just pull a quick downloop
Excellent video Sam
That's a really good instructional!
Sam is that a Raptor you use looking by the graphics and wing tips in the video?
Hi Sam,
I see you ride the Refraction 147 with straps, does that wakestyle board handle the chop well ?
I really like big board, have a Jaime love it on flat water but the medium rocker makes it quite hard in the chop
yes it handles the chop very well, thanks
Great video 🤙
Thanx Sam! If your ever in Texas.... Hit me up for a downwinders, love the vids keep it up.....
Great video! Looks easy when you do it. I'll try next time 😉
Trick is to commit. It will seem scary but if you hesitate you will crash. Good luck dude
Hey sam struggling to find your double loop tutorial shall I just do this on repeat?
just hold in the bar a bit longer 😉
the jumps in the end were scary high, sheeeesh
Great video !!! it helps me a lot 😉... i will try it on the next time...
Great vid dude.. subscribed right away!
Does line lenght matter while learning? I always ride 24m lines
Longer lines = easier to loop safely! The shorter the lines, the higher the difference of angles. If your loop is always 5m radius, having very short lines means the loop will go from 12 o'clock through the powerzone, while having very long lines means the loop will just be a little circle at 12 o'clock.
These amazing shots you'll see with the kite going beneath the kiter in the air are all done with 12-18m lines! But very easy to crash hard!
@@Habixus not totally true, shorter lines have the benefit of the kite not having to travel as far to catch you. ie you'll get the lift from the kite earlier after the loop and wont crash to the water
@@Habixus total misinformation alert! short lines are way safer and more fun for kiteloops
Hi Sam. I just have moved to Uk last year, and i'm looking for kite spots, where is your kite spot?
I slammed so hard trying this for the first time the other day. No idea where I went wrong.. I might have been too late.. I expected a smooth heli loop but instead got yanked forward so hard 😅
Well, @Niko Koopmann, there is so much subconscious movements that expert perform without even themselves knowing, that makes such videos a good reference, but certainly not sufficient. I really like this video, especially the part where Sam suggest's trying the kite loop in the water start position. I haven't thought about this before, and it seems the safest way to go about it.
@@OutForIt I can do heli loops by now😀. The key for me was to jump high and then push in the bar a bit to swing under the kite enough. And then aim for a straight fast downwind landing and just bring the kite back in front of you with a smooth loop 🤗.
What a great videoooo!
Thank you Sam!
Thx, Great video :)
I'm trying to give the KITELOOP, I use XR6 8M, but I can't, the kite always goes to water, I'm trying to see what I'm doing wrong, but it seems that the kite doesn't spin, even though it's small...
can you pls do this with the turbine ? :)
Great vid bud 🤟
Today I learned how to snowkite, now I am watching about kiteloops. Doctor, I'm afraid I have a new addiction.
what should be the max hight for a loop if i dont know how (when) to heliloop?
depends strongly on your kite, kite-size, radius of loop and how early you pull that loop. But even if you not want to do an heli-loop, if your kite reaching the Zenit during the jump or during downwind landing, you have to steer it extremely firm down or you will loose line-tension and your kite can fall out of the sky. You have to steer so firmly that I found it easier to just do an second Loop but because you travel so much downwind it doesnt have much pull and its realy soft.
But using this "toilet Position" is just for learning right? Most rider I have seen get straighten out in some kind of superman position, which looks and feels much cooler. But with that, I sometimes have an issue with "tangling legs" . Any tips to avoid that?
i don't think the toilet position is just for learning, its just a more stable position, some riders let their legs go behind to make it look more dramatic
sweet as, thanks bro
Hey Sam. Great video! I have a question. I was looping my 10m pivot recently like a maniac. Not too big loops more like 5m high on my pivot in 20-25knots. It was going great i was landing downwind everytime with lot of speed. Until last Monday i looped it and somehow got thrown off axis. I was flying sideways very hard towards water and i crashed hard too it all to my ribs. Luckily i had impact vest but the ribs even not broken are still badly bruised. While im healing im wondering what happened and how to prevent it in the future. I want to keep looping but i cant be pulled off axis like this again cos im scared ill break myself more. Suggestions?
I am trying to have good upwind takeoff not go too high yet. Im trying to tense up abs. Maybe that loop was a bit sloppy but until i pulled it it felt okay. How to prevent loosing stability at all cost?
I don't think there is a way to avoid crashes from time to time with or without loops, safest way for crashing should be that you let the board off and land legs first then butt. Going upper body first other than painful for the ribs you might also dislocate your shoulder if your arm goes into the water first.
I wonder if it had something to do with the board positioning on take off? if you rotated slightly? or even came off a wave/water slightly off axis?
Same thing was happening to me. My buddy told me to keep my legs hanging down after the initial pop. I was kinda doing poop position and spinning 🤷♂️gonna give it a shit next time
I have the same issue some times. Does it twist you in the frontroll or backroll direction? I have the suspicion that is may cause by steering the Kite to far beyond 12, so the kite loops more sideways and the pull align the Boday sideways to.
@@AscendedBeing87 yeah i think it might have been that. Thanks guys for helpful tips.
Nice video, next one put some mistake with crashes for more fun to watch 😅
I agree ;)
Can you loop the same in the seat harness?
yea for sure!
he doesn’t seem to distinguish between pulling front hand or back hand here. any tips anyone?
here just a quick question, whats the best time for trying your first kiteloop in terms of kitesurfing level, like I know most tricks don't translate but what stuff should you have down before trying one. Cheers
Be comfortable jumping and landing at high speed. Perhaps try heli loops first 😊
Another thing that people don't mention in tutorials is that you should try to jump with the kite straight above your head before pulling the loop. So try to avoid steering the kite far past 12 sice this will force the kite to go really deep in the wind window.
Try Down loop water starts And downloop transitions on a light day. These are good intro moves and plenty of vids on them
@@pontap90 thanks good tips gonna try it next session 👍
@@jakemirbegian cheers
Yeah Sam wahoo
Thankzzz
Nice
Ok I'm taking the line-extension off my rpm
Just can’t beat a good yank😂😂😂
He said "you just can't beat a good 'y'ank," right?
my heliloops always end up as powerful kiteloops
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