I recorded this documentary on a school Chromebook, and the speaker isn't good at picking up both voice and music at the same time. I'll look into finding an actual video editor.
@@gaberosckes Thank you. I was impressed by the accuracy of your commentary and the appropriate photographs to accompany the commentary (I am English)!
I've always thought it strange (and sad) that there were two children that were found dead there who have never been identified or connected with anyone either on the train, or with anyone who lived locally. Nobody ever came forward to claim any missing kids.
me too, as recounted in Red For Danger. I marked that page a few years ago as being of particular note. Who would let their kids board an express and never come forward. Unless there was some connection with someone on the train who also died, like an adoption or going to apprentice or work. and the parents forever wondered what happened to them, and their letters went unanswered. I'm not sure how old they were, there wasn't much left apparently, but kids could leave school at eleven if they failed the eleven plus and be apprenticed. My uncle joined the Navy as 'boy' at eleven. I was reminded of a section of the A3 near Liphook in Hampshire. The original road spilt from two lane to dual carriageway to go around a large sandstone bluff covered in gorse. About twenty years ago the dual carriageway was continued on towards Portsmouth and the road crews started to clear the way. When they started to remove the bluff a motorcycle came too light and a skeleton in leathers. It turned out to be a 24 year old who'd gone off to holiday riding round the country and vanished 20 years before and his parents had always wondered what had happened to him but had no way of finding out, there were no mobiles or GPS to track.
There were two children on the train, but they both survived. One relic from the fire was a school blazer badge, including motto. The badge was identified, but there were no children missing from that school.
I understand that the two small coffins contained disarticulated bones which could not be identified as belonging to any specific bodies. The grim details of the state of some of the bodies were not published in order to avoid additional distress to relatives and the story of the two children was allowed to stand.
Very entertaining thank you. Another good story is the Sunshine Rail Disaster of 1908, a suburb of Melbourne Australia, or the one I vividly remember, 1988 Clapham junction, involving 4 trains.
My paternal grandfather was a shunter in Stratford Goods yard during WWII and was killed when his engine was hit by a German Bomb when he was shunting at night.
The 0-8-0 at 1:50 is a Lancashire and Yorkshire engine which would never have worked as far south as Gloucestershire. Without checking, at this period I don't think the LMS would normally have operated anything bigger than a Midland 4F 0-6-0 between Birmingham and Bristol.
Other rolling stock is certainly not what would have been used at the time. I gave up at 1.52 because of that....they should either not illustrate rolling stock at all, or they should do it correctly.
True, but I do think that he put that picture there just as a generic example of a goods train, and he does go on to say that a "Derby 4" (quoting the actual loco involved, and showing a picture of one of the correct class of loco's).
Subsequent to the enquiry it was alleged the driver was a narcoleptic several of his firemen admitted he would fall asleep at the regulator ,but no action was taken even though it was apparently well known
The recommendations to adopt something like the GWR electro-mechanical train protection system were still being made at the time of the fog-related/missed signals disaster at Harrow and Wealdstone in 1952.
couldn't understand the narration after about 5:30 .... narrator trying to talk over some loud background music with a chorus of women screeching some portentous octaves and the narrator mumbling
Pump up the volume! The completely unnecessary music is not loud enough. I can still just about make out some narrative but it did succeed in driving me away. Congratulations.
I don't have sound, so rely on subtitles. They became rather hard to understand later in the film, but I'm familiar with the story. Essentially the mail driver tried to blame signalman Button for giving him a false 'clear' on the distant; what is much more likely is that he'd momentarily fallen asleep at the regulator (throttle for US readers) and the fireman missed it in the fog. Each signalman had a 'fog marker', usually a landmark or back light on a nearby signal; if fog (the lower Severn valley at Charfield was bad for it) obscured this mark he would call the lengthmen out for extra protection and, in this case, it had not been bad enough to warrant Button doing so. The real blame lay with the LMS, who wouldn't install a safety device invented by another company. (This in turn led to Britain's worst train crash at Harrow, a bit like a re-run of Charfield, without the fire) and who still had large numbers of gas-lit carriages in service long after other lines had switched over to electric light. I believe the mail driver was demoted to driving yard engines afterwards. The business with the two unknowns has never been resolved - some people think they never actually existed, and were misidentified remains of someone who was never found.
The two small coffins referred to in newspaper reports at the time are now believed to contain bones which had been so severely burned that they could not be identified as individuals and which were buried together.
@@SteveW139 I think, at this late stage, the only way of knowing for certain whether they're related would be DNA testing, and the Home Office are unlikely to approve exhumation! As I've read it, the only person to say they'd seen the two children was the fireman of the mail, when he was coupling up at New Street. Sadly the guard was one of the victims, as he'd have known for certain. One book I read mentioned a comment made by the local undertaker's assistant, who'd helped prepare the remains. You could have put some of them in a shoe box and had room to spare," in which case it isn't surprising mistakes could be made.
I appreciate the feedback for the video! I'll have to edit the script and find time to redo it and hopefully it turns out better by that point.
Quite difficult to hear at times and the background 'music' is unnecessary and drowns out the soft and fading commentary.
I recorded this documentary on a school Chromebook, and the speaker isn't good at picking up both voice and music at the same time. I'll look into finding an actual video editor.
@@gaberosckes Thank you. I was impressed by the accuracy of your commentary and the appropriate photographs to accompany the commentary (I am English)!
Just eliminate the music. It’s really not necessary and it’s quite jarring at times.
@@TexasLadySHe won't because it would reset his views and likes.
To clear a distant signal all home/starter signals have to be cleared otherwise the interlocking prevents it being cleared.
A grim piece of history ! Thanks for sharing it. James.
Charfield was the last significant train crash where fire broke out caused by escaping gas.
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I've always thought it strange (and sad) that there were two children that were found dead there who have never been identified or connected with anyone either on the train, or with anyone who lived locally. Nobody ever came forward to claim any missing kids.
me too, as recounted in Red For Danger. I marked that page a few years ago as being of particular note. Who would let their kids board an express and never come forward. Unless there was some connection with someone on the train who also died, like an adoption or going to apprentice or work. and the parents forever wondered what happened to them, and their letters went unanswered. I'm not sure how old they were, there wasn't much left apparently, but kids could leave school at eleven if they failed the eleven plus and be apprenticed.
My uncle joined the Navy as 'boy' at eleven.
I was reminded of a section of the A3 near Liphook in Hampshire. The original road spilt from two lane to dual carriageway to go around a large sandstone bluff covered in gorse. About twenty years ago the dual carriageway was continued on towards Portsmouth and the road crews started to clear the way. When they started to remove the bluff a motorcycle came too light and a skeleton in leathers. It turned out to be a 24 year old who'd gone off to holiday riding round the country and vanished 20 years before and his parents had always wondered what had happened to him but had no way of finding out, there were no mobiles or GPS to track.
Prolly someone was glad to be rid of the brats?
Mom & Dad traveling with children and the whole family killed?
There were two children on the train, but they both survived. One relic from the fire was a school blazer badge, including motto. The badge was identified, but there were no children missing from that school.
I understand that the two small coffins contained disarticulated bones which could not be identified as belonging to any specific bodies. The grim details of the state of some of the bodies were not published in order to avoid additional distress to relatives and the story of the two children was allowed to stand.
Very entertaining thank you. Another good story is the Sunshine Rail Disaster of 1908, a suburb of Melbourne Australia, or the one I vividly remember, 1988 Clapham junction, involving 4 trains.
I just found your site, and I like what you are doing.
Appreciate it!
A SPAD event can be absolutely devastating.
My paternal grandfather was a shunter in Stratford Goods yard during WWII and was killed when his engine was hit by a German Bomb when he was shunting at night.
The 0-8-0 at 1:50 is a Lancashire and Yorkshire engine which would never have worked as far south as Gloucestershire. Without checking, at this period I don't think the LMS would normally have operated anything bigger than a Midland 4F 0-6-0 between Birmingham and Bristol.
Other rolling stock is certainly not what would have been used at the time. I gave up at 1.52 because of that....they should either not illustrate rolling stock at all, or they should do it correctly.
True, but I do think that he put that picture there just as a generic example of a goods train, and he does go on to say that a "Derby 4" (quoting the actual loco involved, and showing a picture of one of the correct class of loco's).
You should use an editing software to add music in the background instead of play it through your mic
Subsequent to the enquiry it was alleged the driver was a narcoleptic several of his firemen admitted he would fall asleep at the regulator ,but no action was taken even though it was apparently well known
The recommendations to adopt something like the GWR electro-mechanical train protection system were still being made at the time of the fog-related/missed signals disaster at Harrow and Wealdstone in 1952.
couldn't understand the narration after about 5:30 .... narrator trying to talk over some loud background music with a chorus of women screeching some portentous octaves and the narrator mumbling
Yes, I think it would be much better to do away with the music entirely and concentrate on the narration. . .
@@ericemmons3040 Thanks for the Feedback. I'll have another documentary out this year and I'll try and focus more on clear narration.
@@ericemmons3040 Exactly. Was that music?...I thought it was noise from some nearby drains.
"screeching some portentous octaves" 😂
I'm sorry, but I find your backing music too distracting...
I went to the school in charfield and they have a railway tavern n memorial of this accident
Fun fact, Charfield Station has just been given the Green Light to be Reopened 🤌🏻
Really?! That's Great!
Pump up the volume! The completely unnecessary music is not loud enough. I can still just about make out some narrative but it did succeed in driving me away. Congratulations.
I don't have sound, so rely on subtitles. They became rather hard to understand later in the film, but I'm familiar with the story.
Essentially the mail driver tried to blame signalman Button for giving him a false 'clear' on the distant; what is much more likely is that he'd momentarily fallen asleep at the regulator (throttle for US readers) and the fireman missed it in the fog. Each signalman had a 'fog marker', usually a landmark or back light on a nearby signal; if fog (the lower Severn valley at Charfield was bad for it) obscured this mark he would call the lengthmen out for extra protection and, in this case, it had not been bad enough to warrant Button doing so.
The real blame lay with the LMS, who wouldn't install a safety device invented by another company. (This in turn led to Britain's worst train crash at Harrow, a bit like a re-run of Charfield, without the fire) and who still had large numbers of gas-lit carriages in service long after other lines had switched over to electric light.
I believe the mail driver was demoted to driving yard engines afterwards. The business with the two unknowns has never been resolved - some people think they never actually existed, and were misidentified remains of someone who was never found.
The two small coffins referred to in newspaper reports at the time are now believed to contain bones which had been so severely burned that they could not be identified as individuals and which were buried together.
@@SteveW139 I think, at this late stage, the only way of knowing for certain whether they're related would be DNA testing, and the Home Office are unlikely to approve exhumation! As I've read it, the only person to say they'd seen the two children was the fireman of the mail, when he was coupling up at New Street. Sadly the guard was one of the victims, as he'd have known for certain. One book I read mentioned a comment made by the local undertaker's assistant, who'd helped prepare the remains. You could have put some of them in a shoe box and had room to spare," in which case it isn't surprising mistakes could be made.
0:37 Looks like the Furness Railway K2 Class.
perhaps similar in appearence to the Fowler 2p pictured
That Tran collision happened almost 94 years later
October 13th, 1928
The happened to the 4f and the gwr engine after the crash
Many of your captions are wrong.
Ducks friend crashed
I mean… 0:32.
Gave up watching. The music is annoying
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