89. This DREAM Yacht is FAMOUS [Fast Cruiser Full Tour] Learning the Lines
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- Опубликовано: 25 окт 2024
- This week we're touring another sailboat that's on the opposite end of the spectrum of what we normally look at, but in a different way this time. This is an Outremer 45, which is the same boat model as the famous La Vagabonde.
We're not touring it simply because it's famous, but because recently we've become very interested in performance cruising catamarans. The reason for this is because they just work better as platforms for electric boats. They have a lot to offer including but not limited to better sailing performance, lighter displacements (but still just as strong), more efficent hulls, more living space, and more room for equipment related to cruising.
Buying a complete performance cruising is a long way from possible for us in the near future, but we've pretty much decided we're going to DIY our own performance cruising catamaran from scratch, starting a year or two from now. Yes it will be expensive. Yes it will take a long time. Yes, we will film it ALL.
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Personally, the more diverse your content the better. I am very interested in following your boat build and please make sure to sail a few vlogs.
Thank for the kind words Derek!
Are you planning a Wharram? Certainly not an Outremer, but I'm guessing could be built for 1/4 the price. Maybe not 20 knots cruising either... They are very safe though #luckyfish
fabulous Outremer 45. the good size!!!
You can say "LaVagabonde. We will still watch your videos.
Lol, we weren't trying not to say it. We've mentioned them in lots of other videos. Not sure why "la vagabonde" never came out of our mouths!
Vagabonde is awful imo
@@FeelItRising They are obnoxious....
I checked the comments for this reason. It's a really nice boat with a proven ability.
Thanks for a tour.
Right on.
Very cool to see this Outremer. It hard to believe that a boat like this, made for fast passages, can be made to be comfortable.
Building a Cat sounds like a great adventure but as Nick (Ruby Rose) said when with the Wynns - You shouldn't plan for a "forever boat" - you should look at a bout that will meet your needs for the next 5 years.
Thank you for another fantastic video :)
Terry is becoming a RUclips star! Your Dad must be proud!
Yep ... as a loonnnng time "Multihuller" .... there is nothing like "boat speed" ... the "zoom" factor of doing +20knts is ... Awesome!!!! The neat thing is the "hissing" of the water on the hulls as they cut through the water ... then there is the "humming" ... like a swarm of angry bees ... (from the boards). As we say ...." We sail flat ... and we sail fast!!!" ( ... also makes cooking much easier when sailing too ...)
Wow that’s my second tour on the premier it’s truly the best that I’ve seen so far in lay out and capabilities, I like it
It's an awesome boat. If you have the money, it's a no brainer in my opinion.
the design and construction of boats is really interesting.
Love your boat tours. Great way to experience different models.
I like these videos . Don’t even think about building a boat . I have seen your port light install.
We got crap for how we ripped them out, but what's wrong with the install??? Lol
The more you see and show is just like the more you know you will grow , educational and entertaining , for any builder , designer , architect , engineer , art connoisseur .................................................
Lots of comments on you should be getting paid and I agree you need this to be a business and the bigger your fan base grows I'm sure the offers of commission will come flying in .
May the growth and knowledge that comes from your reviews keep growing !!!!!!!!9
Really enjoy the boat tours guys,would love to see y’all in your dream boat someday.
WOW! What a DREAM BOAT! Yes- I'm talking about the catamaran, although you two are still pretty awesome, as well...! ;P
Thanks for showing it...! Terry is getting some nice sales assistance! May the finest breezes freshen you every day...!
Love the direction you are going. If you end up building the cool or whatever. Its your life so live it the way you want. Another great video. Thanks guys.
Loved it. I feel like I just took another tour of R & E's boat.
That would be my dream... my two daughters would just love those berths.
Have been looking for affordable boat for awhile Y'all have shown me two very nice ones already love your videos thanks again.
Theses Boats go for about 700k ! Hardly affordable to me at least. I'm more in the 20k range!
Thanks for the videos, I grew up sailing monos but at twenty I discovered Catamarans and it profoundly changed the way I like to sail. I only sail catamarans with boards because of speed and safety. You can anchor in shallow areas where skeg cats can't enter. Board cats go upwind almost as well as monos but you arrive days or weeks ahead of mono hulls. More room, less draft and in my humble opinion much safer if you respect the ocean. Keep the videos coming please.
Thanks for the tour of the Outremer and for posting.
I'm really loving these show and tell video's! Thanks.
Thank you!
Same! I love these types of videos!
We love your boat tour videos !! Very well done. I don't want to buy another boat but like I said, your videos are a pleasure to watch.
Dream boat for sure.
You probably know this one anyway, but if you are thinking about building your own catamaran have a look at Life on the Hulls. An Australian bloke bought the complete molds for a 40 foot cat and is doing very detailed videos on his build. More work than I would ever want to do - but a compelling watch.
Keep them coming, I like seeing the different boats.
I still like that first boat you looked at, this one I also liked.
Very good videos for people looking into the future for when you get the kids throw university & free to go roaming around the world at my age
Many thanks Big Dave
I feel so left out I don’t know who else has it , anyhow thanx for another nice review
I hear ya! It's Sailing LaVagabond.
@@NeeniJ9 I'm sub'd to them and still didn't catch on. Duh. Don't know why I couldn't see it. Guess elaina distracts me. lol
trongod2000 don’t feel bad, I’m sub’ed to them too and I didn’t catch it either. Lol
hey don;t stop these vid's their interesting, you guys are having fun doing them , haters just chill for abit
Before you spend any more time even just thinking about building your own catamaran, you should watch every episode of the Life on the Hulls channel. Hopefully that will dissuade you from such an undertaking.
I started watching his videos and I felt bad for the guy. All the extra equipment and tools/materials he had to purchase. No way would I build one.
He’s actually a boatbuilder by trade. He has a business building fiberglass kayaks. Be that as it may, you are correct that building your own large vessel will require you to buy a ton of tools and equipment.
I just want to see you finally enjoy Freebie in the Bahamas for the season.
Us too! maybe sometime soon.
Very soon. There is no reason Freebie can’t be free.
Not in August!
You two r friggin awesome
That was a really nice boat. It looks nicer than my home! I could just see Randi lounging on her pink flamingo inflatable couch on the foredeck trampoline drinking a mai tai while Jordan stands at the helm in his best pirate outfit!
I am sure you are watching Life on the Hulls with Rosco building his own catamaran from scratch. You might be able to use his molds when you're ready. Nice video guys have a great weekend.
Good video. You did a good job presenting it.
Guys I live in Tampa too. I live in town n country . Over by Pelican Island and Dana Shores . Love the Show. To others viewing these videos there is an epidemic of abandoned boats in and around Tampa Bay . Contact local authorities to see if you can claim one .
Cannot wait to watch you build one!!
Plus it seems you two have fun doing these videos and its fun to watch.
I slept since the June live stream so I forgot. That boat looks very fast.I like that layout very practical and not to many heads.The only that missing is a dive compressor. I didn't realize they put dagger boards on that big of a boat. Very impressive boat.
Oh yeah, have you seen the daggerboards on the gunboats? 60-70 foot performance cats with huge daggerboards. They make a big difference in upwind ability.
@@LearningtheLines That is cool. I have only seen dagger board on dinghy's. I would love to take a ride on that boat it looks fast.
Thanks for sharing your info and video on this boat 👍
Another GR8 vid!!! Thanks guys!
I wish you guys could have one of these boats. You're an awesome couple.
Thank you!
Great video.
My dream boat. 😍
Keep them coming guys.
Nice review guys, the Outremer 45 is a world class boat but has some issues, Elayna and Riley did a whole video on stuff that had to be repaired on The Vagabonde, we actually raced against them last year, the Outremer 45 is fast, but it was no match for our Privilege 615, Before you guys even start to build a cat, maybe look around for one that is a salvage boat, there are quite a few in the Florida Keys up for sale, and some are not that bad off that you could pick up at a decent price, there are a few at Indian Town Marina on the hard that are up for sale, and the best place to get one is a real good price is Green Cove Springs Marina just south of Jacksonville, Florida.........
hope you guys get a bunch of likes and enough of funds to follow your dreams, good luck, don't give up
Good for you guys. Do the circumnavigation the way you want to. Really enjoying the boat tours btw, I shop online for boats for fun, and this is like the next evolution of that.
If I had my Health, I would have been on a Boat a long time ago. All I can do now is watch these Boat Tours, and Cruiser Stories, and Dream. Health Problems really SUCK.
Perfect for me with one crew member!! I'll cook!!
Wow even though it's the same as Riley and Elena's Boat it looks so much different..... I'm assuming Outremer has many different options available...... Nice video thank you for the walk around....🙂
i enjoy the video very much, awesome content
She loves them chain plates! ❤️
this is awesome keep it up
Great vid again
Great tour. Keep them coming. Your tour guide was on an episode of Gone With the Wynns when they were learning to sail. i.
Hit by lightning! You should buy that boat! As Robin Williams said in the movie The World According to Garp, "it's been pre-disastered". The odds of another strike are astronomical. You'd be safe on that one.
GREAT vid kids. Love that boat and am subed to SLV. I do hope they watch this so they can see how they can have many children on board.
Been watching for a long time and suddenly realize how much Randi resembles my fist wife at that age. Body proportions but a little more smily Randi is, LOL Thanks for making a really nice video. You seem to be very content. Bob.
Thanks for the kind words!
Composite hull material over white spruce frames and put it up on foils ! This thing would be strong, lightweight, flexible and fast. Trimaran Hull would allow for the use of a Sampan type motor, and no pirate on the sea would be able to catch you !
SEEEE YAA!!! AHH-HA-HA-HA-HA-HAAA!
I love your reviews. Did you see the episode where Lavagabond was caught going upwards of 18-20 knots with a visiting couple on board? Riley even admitted later on he was getting worried.
True on the function and worthiness
*World class*
Dreamboat!!!!
barely have to make any sacrifices for comfort to live there. incredible boat.
Really thank you for your videos, as for Cats, a fast one you lose some space and gain speed, for a more spacious Cat you gain both not so much speed and space more than a mono hull, though all for higher cost, more space, but with redundancies that add safety.
Very nice and "NMO", No Microwave Oven as are most Outremers... Thanks for the Review.
They're nice catamarans. I'm leaning toward building a trimaran or a Wharham catamaran I think a paihia is the model 60+ mainly for deck space for cargo.
I'm also following another sailing channel, sorry. They are sailing an Outremer 51 around the world. It is a pretty impressive boat and pretty quick. Not quick like an AC75 with foils, but still quick and very stable. Finance it, travel around the world and then sell it on your return. Then move up to a Gunboat. Hmmm
If you guys are serious about building a performance bluewater cruising catamaran, put Schionning on top of your list. They are rocket ships that will eat an Outremer for breakfast, simply no comparison for sailing speed. That speed also equals much greater safety as you can detour or outrun a storm, choose to reef deeper & earlier on passage yet still maintain excellent VMG / SOG which in turn reduces tipping potential, and run lower aspect ratio rigs in general further reducing tipping leverage. You end up with cat stability unparalleled yet performance the envy of all others. They have great versatility for layout to suit your preferences, and as you are self-building can fitout the boat for your budget and preferences. They are amazingly light and strong built in durakore and duraflex composite strips & panels with epoxy / glass / carbon skins and re-inforcements. They don't seem to have much recognition in North America but are well known and admired Down Under where a lot of self-build catamarans are constructed (due to costs of importing and dis-satisfaction with poor performance from major production cats) and many regard our catamaran construction and design technology as world-leading.
Whatever boat design you end up building, strongly recommend you go with balsa core / glass or carbon / epoxy method - the foam / glass / epoxy is significantly inferior in most aspects but seems to have popularity on the basis that some 1980's poorly-built balsa core boats soak water whereas foam does not; whatever you build must be built well / properly so you may as well go with the best construction method to achieve superior weight, strength & stiffness outcomes. Composites do take a bit longer to build than some methods but what a return on some extra hours.
Some other ideas to consider - daggerboards a must imho to improve windward progress & reduce draft, also reduces rudder strain at speed, go a single diesel genset and electric motors with a large battery bank & no engines (save weight & maintenance), make your own carbon wing mast, use dyneema rigging not stainless steel cable except the front mainstay for furling genaker.
Good luck with your project, look forward to watching you build & document.
Long trampolines area is for reducing chance of capsize when on fast speeds and on beam reach especially and with large swells. (Also weight aft mostly ). What happens on fast speeds and going over a wave on beam reach is that on top of wave specially the wind will catch boat from beneath as one ama goes air lifted. Large trampolines or not solid areas let the wind from beneath to go thru and not help capzising boat. Wonderful cat for light trades .
really appeciate you gus helping me with my boat shopping while im laid up th a broken ankle!
So how much? Please can you put prices up for us to see, love the vids and cant wait for more.
There is a youtuber in Australia that has a complete set of molds and is building a cat now, Life on The Molds
We've talked with them! Good channel.
channel name now changed to "Life on the Hulls"
Hi i do like your videos and the honest way you put them out ' this was interesting thank you.
Thanks for the kind words!
I built a 40 foot catamaran in the 90's. It wasn't an experience I would care to repeat
Is it better to refurb?
I built a 33 foot gaff schooner in the 80's and 90's. I would not recommend the practice. Yes, it was fun, yes the boat was great. The true problem is: you have no idea how much time, money, and energy such a project extols. And, here is the truth: you cannot walk away halfway through, when you most desperately want to - there is simply too much invested. You can't sell a half-built boat for anywhere near its true value. You'd get a 'scrapping' price for it. Buy something, improve it, sail it, sell it, and do it again, until you are aboard the ship you want to keep.
@@writertaylorleecooper9357 Solid advice man.. thanks!
@@radofficial4672 It is certainly better to keep your eyes open for a deal on a boat that is better than you could build in 3 years. Even talented builders have had to cope with the realization that an equivalent boat is for sale for what they have already spent on their half finished project.
@@writertaylorleecooper9357 Burden VS Asset. Just make video's of other peoples boats and be a day sailor. Avoid the pit falls.
Great content! Totally support your plan and it is doable. Keep making progress, adjust as needed. Since you improved by reading that book on Mechanical & Electrical Systems, what if you started to figure out the requirements. without a generator, in order to run the boat's washer/dryer offshore? Or maybe as a future episode?
Have you guys seen Life on the Hull? Rosco is hand building his own Catamaran! You may be able to buy the mold when he is done...
Big trampolines aren’t there just for “other activities”, but rather so that in large waves, the deck won’t hold a ton of water holding the bows down into the next wave, possibly contributing to pitchpoling.
I would be interested in getting a periodic update on what happens to the boats up for sale after you review them. Who bought them? What are the buyers sailing plans? Were they pleased with the purchase after owning it for a bit? Just a thought...
ohhhhh my dream but ill take 38 ft lol the wynns boat is pretty sweet also!
Yeah we're also thinking more like 40' for us. Powered by two electric outboards and a diesel genset as a backup.
@@LearningtheLines yea i really wouldn't want anything too big lol ok ill do a 40 lol
@@LearningtheLines just watched a tour of a maverick 400. They are getting into diesel electric drives.
Good Tube
Maybe you could mention your opinion on build quality & fit and finish. Also how weight sensitive the boat is. 👍
Do the rudders kick-up for going dry on the beach. And is the hull bottom reinforced enough to go dry on the sand.
Great video. I really enjoyed it. I did note that you failed to mention the biggest safety issue with cats vs monohulls. That is capsize risk in very heavy seas. Monohulls, if designed properly will self right themselves if hit broadside by a huge wave while cats do not. That’s why the escape hatches were placed under the stairs below deck on this boat. In the unlikely event the catamaran is capsized the stairs drop and facilitate access to the escape hatch. I must admit this looks like a very well designed cat.
Thanks for the video.
Yes you are correct that there is always a risk of capsize with a cat. There's also always a risk of a monohull losing it's keel or rudder, taking on water and sinking. Both designs have unique risks really. Safety really comes down to the skipper, the quality of the design, build of the yacht, the weather, and how well prepared the boat is.
Learning the Lines
True true. I agree. But in terms of blue water boats, an overbuilt monohull vs an overbuilt cat, regarding safety I will go with a full keel, skeg rudder monohull. Those keels NEVER FALL OFF. But they are heavy and slow. That said with a cat it’s always argued that a cat can outrun the storm.
Of course to your point concerning the skipper, you are of course correct. It’s up to the captain off the vessel to know its strengths and limitations and adapt accordingly.
Dennis Robertson
I strongly agree, in both scenarios.
Check out Life on The Hulls for a guy building a 42 foot cruising catamaran.
I think Riley has had La Vagabond up to 22knots
Great job thanks
This 45 OUTREMER is also light weight with a displacement around 10t. which, with speed, participate to safety.
For comparison, the lightest version of a Lagoon 45 (450S) is at 15t. of displacement.
If youre seriously going to build a catamaran then i will share something.
In australia they have kit boats that a 47 foot cat ships in a 40 foot container. All meterials needed to build the complete boat are in the container. The boat fits together like a jigsaw puzzle.
I met a guy who built one in 2 years just he and his son. It was beautifull and i was totally impressed. The kit will take years off building youre dream boat
The boat designer is shionning.
Google it you will be impressed with the web site The kits are pre cut full length fiberglass balsa core composits. Put together like a jigsaw.
Full support from shionning as you build?
I am not anything to do with this company. But i have seen 3 of his cruising cats. They all were impressive.
Give it a look.
If i were to build a cat i would do this type of build.
I've looked into them! I haven't reached out yet but when I get more serious I will for sure. I really like the Arrow 1200.
I really like the Outremer line, especially the most recent decade of boats designed by Barreau/Neumann. But they are very pricey, even if used. The Danson era boats (older pre-2009??) are nice also and much more affordable but they aren't as spacious/livable. With any of these high-performance cruisers (Outremer, Schionning, Chris White, Dazcat, HH), keeping the weight off the boat and especially out of the ends is critical.
Have you ever noticed that the Vagabond crew is regularly low on food supplies? They make a big effort to take as little weight as possible and don't even have a washer. I want to go fast and have a great time sailing a responsive boat but I want my wife to sail with me. If I give up too many creature comforts for speeds sake, it won't be as fun for her so it won't be as fun for me... (Well, maybe it'll still be fun for me!!).
Damn boats are always loaded with compromises...
Do your research before committing to a HUGE project like a boat build. I built a 31' tri (F-9A Farrier design) in the 90's. It's a great design with great plans and great technics refined by Farrier. Still it was way more work than I initially thought it would be (triple the time and double the money). I was very happy to finish it in 2 years because any longer would have become brutal (I also had a 50 hour/week job throughout the project).
There are alot of unfinished boat hulls out there where the builder ran out of money or steam. Often it takes so long that boat technology or materials have improved (especially true for multihulls) or the builder has gotten age, health, marriage or money problems.
Do some serious soul searching before you start. Boat building will test you like few other things in life. And don't expect to end up with the perfect boat because it does not exist. Resale on homebuilt is typically not as good because results vary so widely.
On the other hand, it will be a great source of pride and you would know the boat inside and out. You could also do things that factories cannot. I built with 100% Carbon Fiber skins and raised the deck slightly to accommodate my height.
the Schionning boat is by Craig Schionning (he is related to Jeff Schionning) a Spirited 470--look at Roam on RUclips. An amazing boat that comes in a kit , sails beautifully and is about a 5000 hour build--but expect to pay at least $400000k by the end of it. I built a Pescott 11.7--had professionals build the hulls to lock up stage and I did the interior--it is a huge job and not cheap. And, you never get your money back
It would be nice if you would tell us the asking price of the boats at the beginning of the videos.
If you are planning on building your own, after the hull is complete, you are only about 20% done.....
Then, there is the years of dealing with all sorts of toxic materials. And the space and logistics required to launch.
There are a lot of boat projects out there, in various stages of completion, most project owners either ran out of money, or died during the process....
Then by the time the vessel is finished, will you be healthy enough to enjoy it???
Good Luck and Fair Winds!!
If you're thinking about building a catamaran you should look up Life on the Hulls. He's got a ton of videos and his work is fantastic.
If you pitch it as a tv show, and if you can sell it, it doesn't matter if you succeed or fail. :)
that boat is the same as" La Vagabond" owned by Reilly and Eliana - check out their channel "SAILING LA VAGABOND" two video's every week - Monday and Friday. - sorry to advertise this on your channel but hey you did mention a famous cat but forgot to mention "La Vagabond" and Reilly and Eliana who by the way also have a baby, Lenny. Have a great day
I'm not sure if you two have seen a RUclips channel called "Onboardlifestyle SV basic" or not but they have a killer looking catamaran! It would be very cool if you would build one like that!
Keep reading, keep asking. I think you will find that building a production quality offshore boat, of any kind, will eat two to five years of your lives AND money. Ask MJ Sailing how long their refit consumed. Ask Uma how long they've been at it. And those are just refits.
And when you ready to move on, you'll be lucky to get back 25c on the dollar.
Better to buy a compromise boat and GO, unless you want to start a boatyard, building and flipping boats?
I think part of the difference with us and other channels is we don't want or need to be cruising full time indefinitely. We want a home base. We want to build things, but we also want to cruise. It doesn't have to be all or nothing. It can be work on a catamaran 6 months out of the year, and cruise six months out of the year on Freebie, for example. Vlogs would be a variety of everything boat related we do.
Yep when the kids come your going to need the room, start building LOL jk nice video.
How much to air con the boat?. And will ask again. Why no approx price of boat?. Houses are priced, cars, cars, food, clothes etc. Are boats a big secret price? i.e. negotiable?.
Cruising cats just have a different feel than a mono. The heal of the boat when going to wind can be quite addicting. There are also performance oriented cruising monohulls capable of cat like speed. Check out Steve Dashews Beowolf series.
Awesome 😊
Now you're thinking kiddo's!
The key to doing your own boat is the hull;very time consuming and very expensive to do.Find an older 'death bed' boat and meticulously check out the hull [moisture content,core layup.free floating catalyst %] and buy cheap.Strip out everything and you have your hull.I bought a 44 footer for 4 grand to get my hull as apposed to 35 grand for lofting,mold building and layup [a two year process]. From there you should concentrate on creative resource procurement,re-purposing,and refurbishing.If you do it right ,building your own boat will be fun,rewarding,and an education by Fire LOL.
Price and availability ASAP or advise needed for search for vessel before years end
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