Destiny vs. Nathan Robinson on Palestine

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  • Опубликовано: 27 сен 2024
  • Ben has Nathan on to discuss his wide-ranging debate with Destiny on the war in Palestine, in which the streamer stated that even if Israel nuked Palestine, it wouldn't necessarily be a genocide.
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Комментарии • 108

  • @tontovia
    @tontovia 5 месяцев назад +14

    Man, Mr bonatelli sure has some bad arguments

    • @krigerl77
      @krigerl77 2 месяца назад +1

      "Fighting the Japanese was a genocide" is a good argument? These guys are clowns

    • @tontovia
      @tontovia 2 месяца назад

      @@krigerl77 😆

    • @anshuraj4277
      @anshuraj4277 21 день назад

      U ppl keep losing

  • @powderedtoastfacekillah734
    @powderedtoastfacekillah734 5 месяцев назад +10

    Couple of years ago Destiny admitted that he would take certain positions on topics in debate just for the sport of it
    Even though there isn’t anything wrong with that in general, it can be harmful if he’s successfully arguing in favor of something that’s dangerous just for the sport of it
    I couldn’t take his debates seriously after learning that
    I’m not sure if he’s doing that with Gaza but the fact that I’m wondering about his seriousness illustrates my point

    • @jasonmain6398
      @jasonmain6398 5 месяцев назад +1

      Surely you have a source for that very weird claim that definitely didn't happen?

    • @philipfreeman896
      @philipfreeman896 5 месяцев назад +2

      @@jasonmain6398 I love how Destiny's fans' entire purpose in life is saying this like this. You all say it in the exact way too. Some of the most pathetic people on earth

    • @jasonmain6398
      @jasonmain6398 5 месяцев назад

      @@philipfreeman896 wow cunning retort chock full of rebuttals. You think you're pathetic attempt at a personal attack does anything but make you look like a loser?

    • @philipfreeman896
      @philipfreeman896 5 месяцев назад +1

      @@jasonmain6398 Im not a Destiny fan, that's enough

    • @bodiemonnig
      @bodiemonnig 4 месяца назад +1

      @@philipfreeman896, If you saw Destiny in real life, you would run like a little baby, you keyboard warrior.

  • @BemkyWatchesBuffy
    @BemkyWatchesBuffy 5 месяцев назад +5

    When Nathan said "well look at the Japanese look at their life expectancy" I couldn't stop laughing then or now on rewatch😂😂😂.. dude like .. why does destiny get to be educated by all my heroes in person?? I wanna meet these people.. u sob

  • @Pashanny824
    @Pashanny824 5 месяцев назад +9

    Destiny is not qualified to opine on Palestine. His getting hung up on the word without considering the mass starvation, elimination of all hospitals and schools , etc, etc. He hasn’t learned anything.

    • @bodiemonnig
      @bodiemonnig 5 месяцев назад

      Hamas steals aid.

    • @ericmacrae6871
      @ericmacrae6871 5 месяцев назад

      he doesn't care what he wants is to support western imperalism

    • @liul
      @liul 2 месяца назад

      He's not qualified to opine on anything, his "research" in every topic is a 10 minute search on google

    • @liul
      @liul 2 месяца назад +1

      He's not qualified to opine on anything, his "research" in every topic is a 10 minute search on google

  • @lunadyana3330
    @lunadyana3330 5 месяцев назад +30

    You could call Gaza a prison or a concentration camp but I find the best analogy is thaf it's like the Warsaw ghetto

    • @lukemadrid5711
      @lukemadrid5711 3 месяца назад

      The term "ghetto" is so apt for Gaza, I don't know why more people don't call it the Gaza Ghetto.

    • @melm295
      @melm295 2 месяца назад

      It’s none of those things
      Ghettos didn’t self govern
      Or have luxury car dealerships or tons of restaurants.

    • @RedOlympus
      @RedOlympus Месяц назад +1

      This is a joke

  • @apolloforabetterfuture4814
    @apolloforabetterfuture4814 5 месяцев назад +4

    Good job by Nathan!

  • @adoredpariah
    @adoredpariah 5 месяцев назад +2

    Also yes, I am quite sure Destiny throws out bait to get a rise out of people on certain topics so that he can then dismiss them easily as whatever strawman best applies (to call them a tankie or an unrealistic utopian etc), and sure it probably does catch out some people with questionable views but it also comes across like whataboutism, red herring, strawmanning, character assassination etc. And really it is for that bloodsport bs so he can make them angry, laugh at them, his audience can pat him on the back and get some semi-viral clip out of it, all the while he avoids having to actually have to answer a difficult question or hypothetical that might be at the core of it.

  • @chrisdistant9040
    @chrisdistant9040 3 месяца назад +4

    Are we still playing word games on the left? Why not grant that point and move on?

    • @synchronium24
      @synchronium24 3 месяца назад +2

      This is the smart move, regardless of whether one thinks what Israel is doing is genocide. Criticizing the no good, very bad things Israel is doing in Gaza without invoking "genocide" takes away the ability to rebut that criticism with semantic arguments that are irrelevant to those core criticisms.

    • @chrisdistant9040
      @chrisdistant9040 3 месяца назад +2

      @@synchronium24 exactly. But I’m afraid many don’t want to do that because shouting “genocide” is the easy heavy hammer to swing

  • @xxpsybunnyxx
    @xxpsybunnyxx 5 месяцев назад +22

    Mr Banelli Mr Bonorelli Mr Banali

  • @shardsofice
    @shardsofice 5 месяцев назад +13

    Steven has completely lost track of why identifying and stopping a mass slaughter is important in arguing in weeds of what technically constitutes a genocide.
    And looking back, thats mostly what he does.

    • @synchronium24
      @synchronium24 3 месяца назад

      So has the left. Attack the no good, very bad thing without getting myopically attached to insisting on the term "genocide".

    • @waffles1042
      @waffles1042 2 месяца назад +1

      If you're gonna use legal words then use them correctly.

  • @buddinganarchist1
    @buddinganarchist1 5 месяцев назад +12

    Destiny has a 12th century view of what war even is!!

    • @bodiemonnig
      @bodiemonnig 5 месяцев назад

      No he doesn't.

    • @philipfreeman896
      @philipfreeman896 5 месяцев назад

      @@bodiemonnig Average Destiny argument

    • @bodiemonnig
      @bodiemonnig 4 месяца назад

      ​@@philipfreeman896 , Geneva Conventions

  • @isawilraen9816
    @isawilraen9816 5 месяцев назад +2

    If Israel tries to reduce the 2.3M Gazans to 1.3M, through bombing, because the latter number of Gazans would be better for Israeli national security than the former, and not because of mere bloodthirst, then it is not genocide. That's Mr. Pappardelle's position... I wonder what he would say about the fact that Hitler was trying to achieve a similar goal himself.

    • @jasonmain6398
      @jasonmain6398 5 месяцев назад

      Cool how many years do you think it would take Israel to kill that many gazans at this rate? And how fast do you think they could do it if they wanted to?

    • @krigerl77
      @krigerl77 2 месяца назад +2

      Only thing with this genocide though, is that the number of Palestinians is only going up... maybe try to look at reality and than make up your mind and not other way round

  • @buddinganarchist1
    @buddinganarchist1 5 месяцев назад +8

    It is a concentration camp.

    • @bodiemonnig
      @bodiemonnig 5 месяцев назад +1

      Not even close.

    • @philipfreeman896
      @philipfreeman896 5 месяцев назад

      @@bodiemonnig Average Destiny argument

    • @bodiemonnig
      @bodiemonnig 4 месяца назад

      @Jin-Kasai97, Average Destiny argument

  • @lukemadrid5711
    @lukemadrid5711 3 месяца назад +1

    What is happening with Destiny's facial hair?

  • @dixztube
    @dixztube 5 месяцев назад +2

    im not watching this nonsense but why do channels keep promoting destiny? like why???????

    • @bryanwagner289
      @bryanwagner289 5 месяцев назад +1

      Because he’s already amassed a large fan base and it’s important to pick him a part when he’s wrong.
      I genuinely agreed with a lot of destiny’s takes in the past but lost a lot of respect for him with his take on this conflict.
      I think Nathan and Marc Lamont Hill have done the best job in taking apart destiny’s arguments.
      Destiny thrives when people get emotional. When you stay calm and answer his arguments one by one without letting him change the direction of the conversation every time his argument seems weak it exposes him…

    • @dixztube
      @dixztube 5 месяцев назад +1

      @@bryanwagner289 that’s a shame because he’s not a serious thinker at all for the matters he gets involved in. But I get it

    • @bodiemonnig
      @bodiemonnig 4 месяца назад

      @@bryanwagner289, Destiny has the correct take here.

    • @lukemadrid5711
      @lukemadrid5711 3 месяца назад

      ​@@bodiemonnigthe thought of people slaughtered needlessly get your rocks off?

  • @pianodan10
    @pianodan10 5 месяцев назад +1

    Mr. Burrata is on his BS again.

  • @erikanderson1402
    @erikanderson1402 5 месяцев назад +14

    Destiny, that ridiculous gadfly.

    • @gnarmalade8733
      @gnarmalade8733 5 месяцев назад +1

      This is the perfect name for him. He needs to change his name. Gadfly suits him better

    • @littleflags
      @littleflags 5 месяцев назад +2

      Gadfly is too kind

    • @littleflags
      @littleflags 5 месяцев назад +3

      Norman Finkelstein refers to him as “that thing”

  • @ddonnelly3904
    @ddonnelly3904 4 месяца назад +2

    “Genocide is just a word. It depends how you define it.”
    Precisely right…and Destiny is applying the actual legal definition for the crime of genocide and concluding that the crime requires a higher standard of proof than the current evidence supports. It’s bad faith to criticise his take while acknowledging that you are using a watered down definition but want to keep the word for its morale weight and therefore his argument does not make sense.

    • @chrisdistant9040
      @chrisdistant9040 3 месяца назад

      Thank you!

    • @synchronium24
      @synchronium24 3 месяца назад

      There are parallel errors here. Leftists (though less so the ones in this video) have trouble criticizing the no good, very bad things that Israel is doing in Gaza without invoking the word "genocide". Destiny will do backflips to defend the no good, very bad things as long as they aren't genocide.

    • @christophergreen6595
      @christophergreen6595 3 месяца назад

      No
      He is applying his own cherry-picked version of the legal definition in an obvious attempt to derail any and all conversations away from the grossly unjust political situation.

  • @alexandersoice9573
    @alexandersoice9573 5 месяцев назад +1

    THE WORLD IS MY TOILET!!!!!!

  • @mr.negativenancy5751
    @mr.negativenancy5751 5 месяцев назад +5

    Destiny would probably score very well on an Israel Palestine modern history test/quiz. That doesn't seem to translate to him having a good position on this.
    He supposedly wants to combat the inflammatory and irresponsible language on the left, which is understandable in some situations, but the hyper focus on technical details when arguing against someone like Nathan here makes it feel like he's just doing this for himself

    • @christraeger5090
      @christraeger5090 5 месяцев назад +1

      That's been exactly my line of thinking. Pretty impressive historical analysis but almost completely unproductive. I actually like Destiny. I hope he's able to absorb some of the criticism he's receiving from people like Nathan and evaluate his role in the online discourse regarding this conflict.

    • @bryanwagner289
      @bryanwagner289 5 месяцев назад +1

      @@christraeger5090I wish he would talk to Marc Lamont hill again too!

  • @marshalkagami
    @marshalkagami 5 месяцев назад

    1:15 the better question to ask there is where do the 2 overlap

  • @lukemadrid5711
    @lukemadrid5711 3 месяца назад

    Mfs on the left have to stop saying "tankie" that shit is so cringe

    • @synchronium24
      @synchronium24 3 месяца назад

      Found the tankie.

    • @lukemadrid5711
      @lukemadrid5711 3 месяца назад

      @@synchronium24 found the insufferable liberal

  • @johnpaulgettelman86
    @johnpaulgettelman86 3 месяца назад

    You are somehow, able to discuss PalestineArab kkkkansmen, without even mentioning Arabism's empire of colonial settlers' occupation over North Africa and Southwest Asia -Mideast nations. That is okay for you to be ignoring or distracted, if you do NOT mind looking ignorant or distracted. You are NOT discussing Arabism's empire, because you do NOT think for yourself.

  • @shaikbindawood
    @shaikbindawood 5 месяцев назад +3

    To all those who don't like the word "genocide" - let's call it just genocide-lite, a mini-genocide, genocide-basic package, micro-genocide, or mini-genocide?

    • @krigerl77
      @krigerl77 2 месяца назад +1

      I call it a war, where one side is not willing to admit that he lost, put down his weapon and agree to peace. therefore, keep fighting in terror methods targeting civilians and his own population.
      In Israel there are Palestinians which gave up fighting and living with Israel just fine, no "mini genocide" there as you like to call it

    • @katabasis9999
      @katabasis9999 2 месяца назад

      A genocide that increases the population 800%?

  • @RussellAlami
    @RussellAlami 2 месяца назад

    Following Destiny-Child’s argument :
    Can you imagine( following his train-of-thought ) Russian soldiers ( outside Auschwitzz ) arguing about if the N*zis were actually guilty of mass-killing and did this constitute actual Gen*cide .

  • @adoredpariah
    @adoredpariah 5 месяцев назад

    I could be wrond but I think Destiny has the gun on his wall to communicate to viewers that he does own guns, because his house was maybe broken into at some point in the past. But Destiny was also a defender of Rittenhouse, and has suggested that he thinks it should be okay to be able to use deadly force to protect property etc etc, so, who knows really what he is actually trying to communicate there.

  • @merbst
    @merbst 5 месяцев назад +1

    Destiny is such a guisano.

    • @bodiemonnig
      @bodiemonnig 4 месяца назад

      If you saw Destiny in real life, you would run like a little baby, you keyboard warrior.

  • @AcMrPro
    @AcMrPro 5 месяцев назад +2

    Im not a destiny fan in the slightest and this is the first time ive come across you but let me tell you nothing is more cringeworthy than see a group of nerds who've never seen a shred of violence in their life argue about a war halfway across the world in a country they've never been to.
    My impression of this network is wannabe pundits who care so much about this conflict that they talk about it all the time, but apparently don't care enough to actually go there themselves to help make an actual difference or even do your own reporting.
    Keep arguing with internet streamers, I'm sure that makes you a hero to the people in Gaza.

    • @amarrustembegovic9828
      @amarrustembegovic9828 5 месяцев назад +1

      😂😂😂 destiny will not read this comments, get of his little d... fanboy 😑🤡🤦🏻‍♂️

    • @bodiemonnig
      @bodiemonnig 5 месяцев назад

      Destiny does Political Canvassing.

  • @JCT1926
    @JCT1926 5 месяцев назад

    two insufferable nerds battle it out

    • @bronzee548
      @bronzee548 5 месяцев назад

      Destiny is an insult.

  • @ONLYFACT_X
    @ONLYFACT_X 5 месяцев назад +2

    i like this nathan robinson guy. for some reason, when i heard the name before, i was thinking of EUGENE Robinson, who is a WaPo reporter, iirc?? Anyways, good panel so far. im a third of the way in or so

  • @jeffengel2607
    @jeffengel2607 5 месяцев назад +2

    If you keep running into problems describing something because the terms have Holocaust connotations, you have done a pretty good job of establishing that whatever it is, it ain't GOOD. Declare it a "Holocausty" and move on to what you DO about Holocausties.

  • @ch3rrywave
    @ch3rrywave 3 месяца назад +1

    The annoying thing with Destiny is when you give nuance he accuses you of dodging his questions. Not every question can be easily answered

  • @shannonm.townsend1232
    @shannonm.townsend1232 5 месяцев назад +11

    Destiny's doing that William F Buckley thing, find that ONE example to thread the eye of the needle with. WFB absolutely loved positing a 'but Hitler', in any debate, at the drop of a hat.

    • @BemkyWatchesBuffy
      @BemkyWatchesBuffy 5 месяцев назад +2

      I just compared him in my mind recentlyto the modern Buckley in our Idiocracy universe we slipped into sometime since then

    • @lukemadrid5711
      @lukemadrid5711 3 месяца назад +2

      Destiny makes Buckley look like a good-faith debater

    • @shannonm.townsend1232
      @shannonm.townsend1232 3 месяца назад

      @@lukemadrid5711 quite a feat

  • @johnpaulgettelman86
    @johnpaulgettelman86 3 месяца назад

    The Allies firebombed Germany

  • @ronturner3598
    @ronturner3598 5 месяцев назад +6

    Each time you feature Destiny it diminishes my interest in your channel.

    • @bodiemonnig
      @bodiemonnig 5 месяцев назад

      Is that because you already watch all of Destiny's content on his channel and don't want to watch the same thing twice?

    • @ronturner3598
      @ronturner3598 5 месяцев назад +1

      @@bodiemonnig omg. never have never will. he stinks up the room enough to notice him without stooping to that level. everyone is constantly discussing his rancid farts

  • @LambsyLamb
    @LambsyLamb 5 месяцев назад +1

    Destiny = Urinary