The Most Gangster Politician Ever | The Chill Zone Reacts
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I think of Cassius Clay as basically what it would look like if every stereotypical bloodthirsty psychopath in action movies, were actually conscious enough to steer that violence in the right direction lmao
he is literally the progenitor to true American action film heroes, he just is that guy fr fr
@karsoban9150 that's not allowed now. Guns and knives are evil, no matter if the person using it is a good person and doing a good deed, it's evil because weapon
@@charlesrodden4019that's stupid
''perhaps no the best book to say that''. Dude just showed how ignorant he is lol.
@@kraven7655it was also the book that the overwhelming majority of pro-slavery figures used to justify their position, so it’s not exactly ignorant to say that there might be better alternatives for arguing against slavery than the book literally being used as it’s main proponent. Regardless, leave your own comment instead of replying to mine when it has absolutely nothing to do with what you wanted to say.
If Ubisoft ever makes an American 1800s Assassins Creed, this man is 100% gonna be the leader of the Order.
His more like assassin but more forward and doom style
Screw that, i wanna play as him. Power fantasy fulfilment level 100
Nah, he's an assassin for sure
At the very least he must be in the game. Maybe an associate and supporter of them.
They should make it where you play as Cassius, an assassin of the Order, and you're fighting slavery because it's a Templar scheme to amass power and wealth in preparation for something bigger and more sinister.
Cassius Clay:
Speech: 100
One Handed: 100
Light armor: 100
Cassius is a game ending character, has all stats maxed with passives and legebdary items.
What is with the Clay family's genes? His dad was the wealthiest slave owner, his cousin was the best lawyer, and he was the best duelist! Did he have any relatives that WEREN'T prefect at something?
The Clay blood is the blood of anime protagonists
Saying he was simply "the best lawyer" is underselling Henry Clay's achivements. He impressed people so much that they appointed him to the Senate in 1806 at 29(the Constitution requires you to be 30), after that stint he was elected to the House where he became the 2nd youngest Speaker of the House in US history at 34, was de facto head of the Whig Party(one of the 2 major parties, along with the Democrats at the time), and is known to history as "The Great Compromiser" because of 3 compromises he created on slavery that kept the Civil War from happening in the decades before it actually did.
EDIT: Also, forgot to mention that he would be Secretary of State under John Quincy Adams. Unfortunately, that would haunt him for his entire political career as his political rival, Andrew Jackson accused him of a "corrupt bargain" where he used his significant influence in the House to swing the 1824 election(nobody got an Electoral College majority) to Adams. There's no evidence of a backroom deal though. Jackson and Clay also viscerally hated each other so I doubt he would've needed the position to tank Jackson's chances.
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@HistoryNerd808 Are there any ordinary people in this guy's bloodline?!
@jesterbrown90 No. He's a crazy badass, his dad was a super wealthy person, and Henry is one of the most important politicians in American history to never be president. It's frankly insane that all 3 of them came out of the same family.
Cassius Clay is one of the few people who's life has to be toned down to make the biopic realistic.
Well said 😅
Let's have some fun, who are we gonna cast to play Cassius Clay?
@@JCGverThe crazy part is I believe a film actually was made about this guy. Dramaticized, of course, but it's out there. It's on the older side, though
Edit: So, did a little digging. For some reason I got wires crossed and was thinking of a film called The Iron Mistress, about Jim Bowie
@@JCGverhe slightly looks like Mark Ruffalo. That would have potential. Ruffalo also looks to be showing some more depth than we've seen from him in Poor Things
@@thorkagemob1297no mark is absolutely not enough of a man to play clay
Casius Clay is literally the inspiration for the copy pasta of “Own a musket for home defense because that’s what the founding fathers intended”.
Here it is:
Own a musket for home defense, since that's what the founding fathers intended. Four ruffians break into my house. "What the devil?" As I grab my powdered wig and Kentucky rifle. Blow a golf ball sized hole through the first man, he's dead on the spot. Draw my pistol on the second man, miss him entirely because it's smoothbore and nails the neighbors dog. I have to resort to the cannon mounted at the top of the stairs loaded with grape shot, "Tally ho lads" the grape shot shreds two men in the blast, the sound and extra shrapnel set off car alarms. Fix bayonet and charge the last terrified rapscallion. He Bleeds out waiting on the police to arrive since triangular bayonet wounds are impossible to stitch up. Just as the founding fathers intended.
Amen brothar.
and then i fired, and i missed, and then i fired again, but i missed.
@@terrarianfailure4420 Then I ate a popsicle.
Tally Ho Lads!
Amen brother
The number of home defense canons in this story leads me to believe that the "2nd amendment copy pasta" is largely based on Clay.
my thoughts Exactly!
Cassius Clay would be a wild character to meet in an Assassin’s Creed game.
Wouldn’t even need to help him. Templars attacking him? He will fucking end them himself.
Templars pull out the hidden blade and he goes full "That's not a knife, *this* is a knife!" and just goes wild with the Bowie Knife.
Man he be opening up Assassins and Templars like an Amazon unboxing video.
The whole game is you taking out a few targets but 95% of the time finding out Clay already got to them before you lol
Yeah the name change is crazy once you know of the origin. Muhammed Ali's ancestors were most likely freed by Cassius Clay since they have the name and he was from Louisville, KY. His family gave him the name as an honor of the badass man that fought for freedom of others his entire life.
He is also a relative. John clay is a great great grandfather of Mohammed ali
Cassius Clay was so good at his perseverance that Kentucky literally said: "He's too dangerous to be left alive!!"
UN-LIMITED... POWAH!!!!
"Modern statutes in the U.S. define mayhem as disabling or disfiguring, such as rendering useless a member of another person's arms or legs."
And this case probably set a precedent that when done in the pursuit of self defense, mayhem is not a criminal offense.
You want an anti hero? He has a great story about a man named "Jake McNasty" from ww2. Crazy stuff
I LOVE this one! This guy gave zero F's. Just wanted to fight in the war!
Guy and his men killed like 700 enemy troops? They had situational advantages, but good god.
@@grimsladeleviathan3958It takes an intelligent person to use advantages.
He let his intrusive violent thoughts manifest "LEGALLY. "
Fat electrician knows an entertaining story when he sees it. Best part is it's all real.
When he used the Bible and the Constitution as arguments against slavery, they were just about the same thing.
"The Bible is pro- slavery" well the Constitution was at that time the law code of a nation of slave owners. But even though it made allowances for slavery, you could use the principles in the Constitution to conclude that freedom should not be denied to anyone.
In the same way, the Bible has allowances for slavery, but there are principles in the Bible that show that all humans have equal standing in the sight of God, therefore you can argue slavery is wrong.
And since it went there, Muhammed Ali's name change was extra ironic because Muslims did not end the Arab slave trade, western countries FORCED them to stop. The Arabs never wanted to stop purely based on conscience. So I think he changed his name from an anti- slavery name to a pro- slavery name.
Right. Likewise it's worth noting slavery was the default in pretty well the entirety of the world, and the Torah was already asking for a lot of restraint vs. what was considered normal behavior in the world at the time.
It's like the eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth verse. That wasn't condoning revenge, it was limiting it. The standard was, you take my eye, I murder your family. The purpose of the verse was to establish that if you pursue retribution it must never be in excess of what was taken from you. It doesn't say don't go for revenge, because that's too inhuman and just isn't going to happen. So more realistically, it sets limits on it.
Same thing with slavery. There was the assumption that it was simply going to happen. However, the biblical rules on slavery acknowledge the humanity of the slaves far more than almost any other culture of the time and establish all kinds of conditions in which they could be freed, even limiting how much an owner could punish them. Up until the last few centuries, there was no major world culture that even questioned if slavery might be wrong, and it was largely a biblically driven argument.
Thank you, I just commented the same thing. The Bible is the best argument against slavery. If we didn't have the Bible then explain to me why slavery is wrong?
@chrisbardsley9290 So true. Secular people these days say that it's self- evident that slavery is wrong, but that's coming from a long historical legacy of Christian morality. People aren't aware of the roots of their worldview, like fish aren't aware of water.
@@chrisbardsley9290 The idea that religion is required for morals to exist is retarded. If your only reason for thinking something is wrong is the fear of God's judgement, then you are not a moral person. You're just a fearful and obedient one. And any God that asks to be feared is not a God worth following.
Let's give Ali a break. I mean, the got punched in the head for a living. Not healthy for the I.Q.
defintly recommend his "soldier on meth - becomes unkillable" video that's a special one
Both Fat electrician and Dankula did fantastic videos about him
@@SeanHirukiTime to rewatch some Dankula, been a long time.
"What do you do when half the population hates your guts? You run for public office." 😂
the newspaper part had me thinking, This guy is doing side quests! He's the main character leveling up to fight the final boss, doing side quests all on the way there. Dude was level 50 fighting level 5s and 10s! xD
I think the main reason we have so many dumb lawsuits in the US is that anyone with the resources can START one, regardless of whether they have a reasonable case or not. 9/10, the Sam Browns of the world know that they're gonna get laughed out of court, they just want to force their opponent to waste the time and money defending it.
Part of the problem is you have to go through the process to determine the validity of the claim. If you make it harder to start the suit, you run the risk of locking people with legitimate grievances out of any recourse. Personally I lean towards the losers should almost always have to reimburse fees.
It should be the case that when someone sue another, they have first to go alone to court and prove that his claims are true or backed by strong evidence. Only later the person accused should be notified and has to waste time and money defending himself.
@@kraven7655 That just lengthens the process and biases in favor of the accuser, because then the accuser gets to make their case to the court without the other party to defend themselves and then they have to go through all of it again after the normal court process.
If you're asking for a process to see if the tort is valid, that already exists. To initiate the lawsuit, they have to claim to have an actionable cause and show at least some evidence of it or it doesn't get very far.
Not really, because the dynamic i presented implies that if there is no strong evidence, the accused party wont even need to go to court. The only one that will have to expend money and huge amounts of time, is the person accursing. @@joshuawillingham6363
That GTA "Mission Passed + respect" was so perfect and hilarious 😂
13:50 because public education has spent so long writing him out of history as a result of him seemingly glorifying violence and borderline vigilantism as an effective means of ensuring long term social progress that basically everyone that even knows about him are not in a position to actually make or even propose a large scale movie production about him
The uneducated get to watch an antihero duel slave owners and assassins as he fights for abolition - they just need to think he's cool. The educated might learn a thing or two about the simple and irrefutable fact that not all problems can or even should be solved peacefully. Pacifist ideologies do not survive through the ages for a reason. Non-pacifists make short work of them.
If life was a table top RPG, Cassius Clay would be the person that found a specific build that would allow him to spec in basically everything with (at least) a 20 in charisma! And the fact that that sounds like something Cassius Clay would do IRL out of spite to the DM speaks VOLUMES about the type of character he was!
Cassius Clay would be the kind of person to choose Fighter as his starting class and then min max it to the extreme.
With an alignment of: “Chaotic Good”. 😊
Cassius Clay was someone I did a report on in highschool social studies but due to some unfavorable people at the top of my class I got removed out of the presentation line up instead people learned about Nikola Tesla and Che Guevara, me personally I feel as if they missed out on the oppurtunity to learn about a truly interesting man who didn't ask for much.
Henry Clay was probably the most powerful Speaker of the House there's ever been, for his entire life.
I agree, I want to see this movie.
Also, it isn't that weird to have a "home defense" cannon.
Don't apologize for that at the end of the video, one of the reasons I (and probably more people) keep comming back to your reactions is that you always give some knowledge of your own along with the reactions, it's kind of a double treat that not all reaction channels have.
Honestly. Too many blank useless reaction channels on this platform. We need more Jacks.
I respect Ali for having the balls to change his name... But for me, if I have the same name as this guy, I'M NOT CHANGING MY NAME.😂
The point he was making was it was rather ironic for Ali to change his name from a famous and righteous abolitionist to a literal save owner
But its a white name. White bad brown good. - Cassius Clay (I don't recognize the name change as it is moronic. Clay would be bigoted against me for several reasons. But he would still treat me as human. Mohamed would make me a concubine if he deemed me worthy of life. Otherwise just kill me.
I respect Ali for being a badazz in the ring. Outside of the ring he was a f’n moron.
When he was describing the printing office plan, I just started imagining the long take hallway scene from Old Boy
Ah yessss what a perfect reaction to get today lol. Glad to see more people watching this
Jack, I need to ask you a question. How would _anyone_ be able to spice up Clay's life for a movie?
The man's documentary would look like a freaking Action Movie. XD
Historically accurate biography movies of Cassius Clay would be in action genre.
Why isn't there a movie? This guy stands for everything Hollywood is against, and there is no way they are going to make a movie about someone about him.
Exactly why there ain't a movie about it.
Which is crazy considering he was the most progressive guy of his time and willing to put anyone in the ground that didn't agree with him. Which is what Hollywood is also about
@@Taygon45problem is, he had progressive principles _and a remotely fucking worthwhile spine at the same damn time._
That's a combo that we have been forbidden _the capacity_ to compute for decades.
Y'know, lest we do _literally anything_ but "shut up, sit down and let those who prove their qualifications for their positions _just by being_ in said positions _maybe actually bother_ to """reach across the aisle""" to the clear, present, and _actual_ psychotic write-offs"...
@@seand.g423
Him and Abe Lincoln set a pretty good tone right at the start of the Republican party.
Someone should call the Daily Wire.
Imagine if cassius clay joined john brown on his raid on Harpers Ferry. Oh god I think they would've won
In the Bible, slavery is treated as lawful but awful. You willingly entered into slavery in order to pay back a debt. And in exchange, your master had to treat you well and take care of you. There were severe punishments for those who did not. After seven years, when your debt was paid, you went free with a clean slate. Unless you chose to remain a servant. Then, while you were treated as a member of the family and had the authority to act on your master's name, you were pierced through the ear as a punishment.
It was considered a disgrace to stay after your term was up. Slavery in the Bible was never meant in the same way as the Romans enslaved the Jews, the Egyptians enslaved the Jews, or Africans enslaved and sold each other to the Europeans. They aren't the same
Thank you
Thank you sir, too many people don't understand anything about the Holy Bible and just parrot idiots.
I just commented the same thing. I've asked so many people to explain why slavery is wrong without Biblical views. Nobody has been able to do it
The bible also took slaves after wars not just debt slaves... so yes the Bible does* in fact like it's slaves and it's genocides
Because there was no Greek word for "endentured servitude," the word "slav" was used. Slav is where we get the English word slave. Also in the Bible, after 7 years, all debts were considered paid whether it was in fact paid off or not, because it was not preferable to keep people in such servitude.
That’s it, I’m changing my name to Cassius Clay
The absolute unit couldn't be killed until he chose to die because he had already fought and defeated the grim reaper as a young man. Prove to me otherwise.
Death can have Me when it Earns Me!
Speaking about dueling, Otto von Bismarck was quite the prolific duelist in his younger days. 26 wins out of 27 duels and the one he lost he kept insisting it only happened because his rapier broke
holy hell this man just wanted all the smoke people need to talk about him more he did so much crazy ass shit
A group of people tries to assassinate Cassius Clay.
Cassius Clay "Oh...It looks like I'm going to be leveling my one handed weapon skill again aren't I?"
O_O
Clay is a once in a millennium type of man.
Just found your channel and I agree. Cassius Clay should either be an AC protagonist or one of the main side characters.
I have seen a couple of reactions to this video. Yours is the best by a huge margin because you clearly understand more historical context.
I knew this video was a banger when I heard ‘I want problems always’
If Ali had seen this video, he would have never changed his name.
The only American polticians I can think of that are close to that level of based is John Quincy Adams and James Garfield.
James Garfield. Andrew Garfield is an actor.
Oh hell yeah Spider-Man is awesome
Teddy Roosevelt
It is likely that Ali's family were slaves at the Clay plantation being that they are from Kentucky (Ali is from Louisville, KY) and slaves often took the last name of their master
Went to school in Kentucky we learned a lot about this wonderful man
Holy shit, usually people doing reaction videos are like Jon Snow and "know nothing". Despite not knowing about this guy beyond his existence (which tbf, is more than most people. Nobody knows he exists. I didn't know he existed until Fat Electricians video myself) you know your shit. Thats refreshing. And ontop of that your sense of humor is legit. You got yourself a new sub my dude.
I like that you go beyond basic history when you decide to debate a subject.
Two things my government teacher taught me in high school were. 1 learn all sides of an agreement to support your side and 2 there are three sides to ever story/accident (yours, mine and what really happen)
FE here doesn't have an episode on Mad Jack so far, but if that is a thing you want to do an episode on, Count Dankula has a Absolute Mad Lads episode about the man.
Well done young man! Enjoyed this immensely.
That picture of Col Sanders had me cuttin up and laughin so hard I had to pause the video to get my laughter under control before unpausing the video
To your dismay I can tell you that this kind of thing still happens in America. Here's a long story cut short. My baby mama was living in Tucson Arizona and not on a good path. Her man at the time went to the bus station to go to work and forgot his headphones. When he got back home to get them he found two men trying to wrap her up in a blanket (she was out cold coming down from drugs or on them). Boyfriend beats one of them unrecognizable while the other one runs off. He then chases that dude down, tackles him and ends up cutting him open ear to ear like the joker. Cops show up and they actually commend him because the guy he cut open is well known by them in the sex trafficking circuit and they've been trying to find him for years. This scumbag turns around and from prison presses charges and boyfriend goes to jail for 2 years.
The most gangster Marine would be a great video to keep with the trend
Am from Kentucky. Can confirm, we got some crazy motherfuckers that are oddly inspirational.
Congrats on your baby girl. It is indeed an amazing feeling to hold them for the first time.
Cassius was the actual literal embodiment of "Fight me about it"
Oh, Harlan Sanders was kind of a bad-ass, too. According to the History Channel's "The Food That Built America", Sanders got in a couple of gun battles with a rival business competitor, before the founding of Kentucky Fried Chicken. Nothing like Cassius Clay, though.
Cassius Clay had that *dawg* in him 🐕
When he talked about the iron corridor, I thought of Peter Griffin when they had a podcast and asked the question of how many fourth graders they could fight. Peter said he’d stand in a narrow hallway and take them on one at a time. The stood up and kicked the air repeatedly and saying. Dead, dead, dead.
I can imagine Cassius formulating a similar thought.
The reason why they didn't make a movie about him is because he was fighting against Democrats.
Hollywood and the government is terrified it will unite the country. They have worked too hard to divide the country to allow that to happen..
Love your enthusiasm and insight, good reaction brother 🙏✌️
20:47 he literally began the copypasta.
FYI berea college still exists in berea Kentucky and is free. When I say free I mean every student there is on a complete free ride. Books tuition housing food. Paid for. Grades help to get you in however it’s the application process that actually wins you a spot. They want students that are actually dedicated to their education not just ones with amazing grades. Your application can get you in to the door for an interview and B student can win out over an A student if they can show the dedication to their own education. These places are numbered each year and they are looking for the most dedicated deserving individuals that will be most likely to stay their course and complete their degree. And the college is respected among other colleges and businesses and alumni from berea are known to be successful. It’s worth investigating if you know anyone that is looking to go to college. It seems to me that this school is one of americas best kept secrets that’s not a secret. I am always surprised that most people don’t know of this school.
loven the fat electrician reacts please keep it going he has many great videos
Cassius clay needs to be featured in Baki
Or Record of Ragnarok
You may not know this, even Thomas Jefferson killed a man in a duel.
The part I like most about him standing up for his men in the POW camp is the fact that his command was made up of soldiers from Kentucky. I.E. His men likely hated his guts, and I'm sure they made him aware of it. He did what he did despite that. That's pure speculation of course, just seems likely to me.
I recommend the music video the unkillable soldier by sabaton if you havent already watched it
This brother has max charisma
Well, under current U.S. law you CAN face criminal charges in a self defense case if you go too far. Clay's situation is a bit murky, but if the assassin was already trying to escape and the threat against his life was over, then theoretically today's courts would likely view Clay as guilty of attempted murder and multiple counts of assault with a deadly weapon. In the modern day, legal self-defense only covers the immediate situation and the immediate threat. The second your life/health is no longer in danger, any extra damage you do to you assailant is considered a criminal act, as you are no longer defending yourself from harm, but instead going out of your way to attack someone else.
Let's go! Gotta do the Dan Daly video next
Also the emancipation proclamation only freed the slaves in the South so that didn't actually do anything because at the time the South was a separate country with its own president so the slaves didnt get freed till after the north won the war
Yes and no. Union troops did free slaves as they came across them in the South. However, you are right that the EP was mostly to keep Europe out of the war and to turn the war into a moral crusade against the institution Lincoln hated(he was an emancipationist, as mentioned in the video.) Lincoln's hands overall were tied by the limits of his war powers and the political reality that he had to keep the unionist pro-slavery border statates from joining the Confederacy.
You should look up the story of Bass Reeves if you haven't already. First black U.S. Marshall west of the Mississippi during the height of the Wild West, single handedly captured over 3,000 armed and dangerous fugitives, all but 14 ofbthem alive. He had such a reputation as being an unstoppable badass that fugitives that even caught rumor of Reeves coming for them would be snough to turn themselves in because they didn't want to go to jail tired.
I am STILL mildly unhappy I wasn't told about this guy as a little kid at school.
Oh, my, he is a comic character! The O.G., O.G Batman! 😂🤙🤙
That is the beauty of Amrericans. We have the choice to make a choice. Even if that choice is not right to others. But you do have to follow your faith which ever way it goes. As long as that choice does not hurt others.
Exactly what part of this actual comic book superhero's story needs to be "EMBELLISHED???"
Ah a fresh chill zone upload. Hell yeah
He really is a great real world modern example of the paladin archetype, he WILL do the right thing and has no qualms about spilling blood in the name of good whether it's his or yours if you're stupid enough to oppose him.
Also yeah so many people don't realise just how many African slaves the Islamic world has taken over the centuries, largely because they don't have a large modern black population in those places that you would expect from places that previously kept them as slaves, the reason being that they would castrate them when they took them. So there are few to no descendants of enslaved people to speak out for those taken and the modern peoples there aren't exactly going around letting everyone know what their ancestors did.
"home defense canon" ... my brain: "how bout a homedefense Nuke xD
The bible did not endorse slavery. Servitude was a contractual agreement that could not exceed 7 years. The servitude was not generational. All servants were supposed to have their needs provided for in a manner that the employers would accept for themselves. If a servant was killed by their employer, the employer would have been put to death. Usually, after the agreed upon period of servitude, the employer would give the person land and cattle in addition to the payment. Remember, all debts are null after 7 years, regardless of the amount.
Not to mention the plagues He brought down on Egypt when Pharaoh wouldn't let his slaves (the Israelites) go.
ARE YOU TELLING ME THAT THE COPYPASTA OF THE CANNON ON THE STAIRS IS A REAL STORY????????
Speaking of Colonel Sanders, did you know that he went to court for killing a man but was found innocent under reason of self-defense😂
Cassius Clay
I wouldn't necessarily call him the good guy, but he's definitely the Bad Guy's Bad Guy.
It’s not only a sin there hasn’t been movies made about this man, but if he was even mentioned in my history classes here in the US it was extremely brief and I totally missed it. I really never heard about the man for years and I’ve literally asked pretty much everyone I know and nobody really knew the history of the man and it’s a damn shame..
Cassius Clay at any given time: MORTAL KOMBAT
Bring on the video game references! Good taste in games by the way ✌️
…if the Eras would have matched, Cassius would have been a good write into Assassins Creed
Everyone needs a home defence cannon
The way self-defense works in the United States. Is that once someone is no longer a threat , you cannot continue to attack them in self defense.
You're right to claimself defense ends the very moment That is clear that they are no longer a threat.
There are many people in this country, though who believe that they can do whatever they want. If they are attacked and those people usually end up going to prison for manslaughter. You always hear stories about people getting attacked and having to shoot someone in self defense, But then once the attack is over and the person is no longer a threat shooting them when they're on the ground and killing them. And that is not legally self. Defense because they are no longer under an imminent threat.
He is the nuke
He’s the main character
It’s so refreshing to hear someone describe their upbringing to be so similar to my own when it comes to religion. I was beginning to think that I was the only one that was encouraged to learn about as many different religions as I could. I was not forced mind you. I went to a normal Christian church with Sunday school and the whole nine yards when I was little however when I turned 7 or 8 and had the intelligence to question what I was being taught my family my father mostly told me that no one on earth had the answers to my questions and I should form my own opinion. Go visit other churches study different religions and styles of worship and decide for myself with an educated eye what I thought was right. My conclusion ended up being that all forms of religion were tainted by man. What may have actually been or not been the word of god has been watered down filtered translated to death all to fit the needs of who ever wanted power at that time in history. So I do believe there is a god but I don’t believe there is any writing or book in the world that is actually the word of god. I choose to live my life upholding myself as best I can in this grey world to good moral values. Basically treating everyone around me in life with the same respect I would want for myself. And it has worked wonderfully for me there were times I was afraid I wouldn’t be able to pay my bills or feed my kids and I never was without. Somehow no matter how bad life got I stuck to my values I didn’t steal cheat lie, if someone needed help and I could give it I would and do, and my kids never went hungry something always seemed to happen at the last moment to make everything work out and I no longer struggle for myself. I am not rich but I am secure and happy and that’s all that matters. I’ve done my best to raise my kids the same only time will tell if I was successful as they are only just becoming adults and beginning to see the world for the beautiful but equally dark place it can be. Now don’t get me wrong I never sat around waiting for god to fix my problems I did my best to fix them myself and never gave up even when the outlook was the most bleak. This allowed god the opportunity to find a way to help me help myself. So I try and do the same for others. Sorry I don’t mean to sound preachie it’s just I haven’t really heard of anyone else that was taught to think critically about religion. The few people that say they do tend to not believe in god at all which is sad. There have been enough bad things happen in my life that I was saved from at the last moment by just trusting that if I work hard and believe I can get through that I can’t deny that god or someone is looking out for me.
Cornel Sanders got his recipe for his chicken by a fluke it gos like this. Mr. Sanders was a cook in ww2 one day a Japanese soldier snuck in the camp and threw a grenade into the chow hall kitchen it blew herbs and spices on the chicken and it was great tasting they made the private 1st class Sanders to the rank of Cornel and his 11 herbs and spices it was all an accident a fluke .
More Fat Electrician hell yeah!
7:12
Yeah, that's like throwing down an all meat cookbook to talk about the benefits of veganism
7:12 It actually is the best book to argue against slavery as Abolitionism itself sprang forth from Christianity. No Christianity, no Abolition of Slavery in The West and much of the world. The parts of it mentioning slavery is not being approving of it but saying how to do it the least immoral. Christs words on divorce come to mind where he said that God tolerated such things becuase of the hardness of mans hearts but that it was never approved of. But you don't get a single generation of people to accept 4000 years of moral advancement within their lifetimes.
Even then the slavery that the Hebrews committed was more indentured servitude.
19:30 the Emancipation Proclamation kinda rings hollow when you remember that it only freed the slaves in the South and that the last slaves to be freed were in New Jersey.
Alright so the sentiment that you are expressing was the ones that I championed for years. " it is indentured servitude"
At the bare minimum the lord should have expressed that IT IS NOT OKAY to own people as property, but instead gave guide line over the old testament on how to trick people into slavery for generation like in Exodus 21.
And despite some verses in the new testament stating that slavers should treat their slaves well like in Ephesians 6, it is still not frowned upon.
Yes Christian abolisionism helped against the slave trade but that still doesn't change the words that to these day are being used promote the inequality of Man by use of the "holy scriptures"
I no longer turn to a deity for moral guidelines, so all I can say is that , by considération of what we deem moral, with regards to the well being of our fellow humans, slavery is all it's form I wrong.
@@TheChillzoneX There is one detail that many people on both sides of this argument either don't know or conveniently forget. The Christian bible is often relating things from cultures and nations and even belief systems that are often inconceivably different from those of today. and while christians do look to the old testament for lessons and context, they, by definition, follow the teachings of Christ and his new covenant. If there are passages that you believe endorse slavery in the new testament, please give me the books, chapters and verses so I can study them for myself.
@@TheChillzoneX I understand the repugnance that you would feel towards a God who would condone or give guidelines on how to own slaves because he thinks that it is acceptable.
What I am saying is that God is someone altogether different from that.
God is someone who is trying to create a moral people after his likeness from sinful man. Throughout The Bible it is the story of a God who will not remove anothers free will from the equation and so has to pull and push mortals towards a moral way of living. In order to do that he has to work both around and within corrupt societies made by man.
But *most importantly* of all is that we have to understand that the slavery with which God was talking about in Exodus and much of The Bible is a *world* away from the depravity and fiendishness of slavery in the Colonial and Islamic context.
We, because of our modern day social mores and definitions are conflating two starkly different realities under one umbrella term "Slave".
Even Roman Slavery was less barbaric and was more an Economic class.
What we are dealing with in The Bible is a similar economic class of people analogous to aforementioned Romans except the slaves of the OT had far more rights and avenues to freedom.
So in the interest of making this already long wall of text more understandable I am going to refer to chattel slavery as Slavery and Biblical Slavery as servitude.
The first and most obvious difference is that Israelite slavery was voluntary*(1). Exodus 21:16 says, “Whoever steals a man and sells him, and anyone found in possession of him, shall be put to death.”
The second is another important law. Deuteronomy 23:15-16: “You shall not give up to his master a slave who has escaped from his master to you. He shall dwell with you, in your midst, in the place that he shall choose within one of your towns, wherever it suits him. You shall not wrong him.” According to the law of Moses, it was actually illegal to return a fugitive slave. In fact, this passage commands his fellow Israelites to allow him to dwell wherever he pleases. *Effectively, Israelite slaves could break their service contracts simply by leaving. Slavery in Israelite law was entered into voluntarily and could be ended voluntarily.*
My Third point is this system allowed a person in poverty to receive six years of guaranteed full-time employment. Their employers fed them well, sheltered them, clothed them, and looked after them. Then, after getting back on their feet, they went free.
No one had to sell themselves into slavery or prostitution to survive. At their lowest, they could still find work from their fellow citizens.
The final point, and the one addressing your Exodus 21 reference lets look at the passage:
2 “If you buy a Hebrew servant, he is to serve you for six years. But in the seventh year, he shall go free, without paying anything. 3 If he comes alone, he is to go free alone; but if he has a wife when he comes, she is to go with him. 4 If his master gives him a wife and she bears him sons or daughters, the woman and her children shall belong to her master, and only the man shall go free.
5 “But if the servant declares, ‘I love my master and my wife and children and do not want to go free,’ 6 then his master must take him before the judges.[a] He shall take him to the door or the doorpost and pierce his ear with an awl. Then he will be his servant for life.
In exodus 21-2 it says that if a Hebrew wants to become a slave to gain the benefits of one then it will only last 6 years. If after 6 years he is single he can leave in the 7th but if he has a wife she and he both go free.
However, and this is the part I understand that you have a problem with, if the Master offers him a wife and he accepts then as part of the contract the woman who once had a separate slave contract will stay with him along with the children they made together while he can go free.
This sounds cruel, however, *it does not say that the woman will not be able to go free once her contract time is up*. The woman has her own contract with a time limit of 6 years and on her seventh year she will be free as well as her children but until then the Master will be responsible for taking care of the Mother and the childrens food, water, board, health and safety.
Furthermore, should the Father decide that, given he was poor BEFORE volunteering to become a slave that he was economically better provided for in slavery than in freedom then he could choose to stay forever.
Now we could be highly critical here and say that this is sentencing them to generational slavery because the Master offered the slave a wife and is facing slave status for LIFE to be with his family. I'll go a step further and say he did it intentionally and maliciously.
I will point you back over to Deuteronomy, which according to Rabbinical tradition and Christian tradition and scholarly understanding was written by the same writer as Genesis, Leviticus and Exodus.
Specifically Deuteronomy 23:15-16 that I quoted for my second point.
“You shall not give up to his master a slave who has escaped from his master to you. He shall dwell with you, in your midst, in the place that he shall choose within one of your towns, wherever it suits him. You shall not wrong him.” According to the law of Moses, it was actually *illegal to return a fugitive slave.*
But lets say worse case scenario the children start out in slavery. That doesn't mean that their contract lasts a lifetime or that the mothers lasts a lifetime. Only the Father is stated as having a contract that lasts a lifetime.
*There were one or two times they enslaved a conquered tribe however they were treated similarly to the other slaves, had similar rights and were only enslaved for a short time. However, they could not leave their time of slavery without the masters permission or the allotted time was up. They were basically prisoners of war.
@@TheChillzoneX apologies for my massive wall of text response lol
@@TheChillzoneX "Yes Christian abolitionism helped against the slave trade but that still doesn't change the words that to these day are being used promote the inequality of Man by use of the "holy scriptures" "
People will always misquote or misuse famous words to back of their point. That doesn't mean those words were written with that intent.
The words that the slaveowners used to justify their barbarity were always refuted by the surrounding verses which is why they kept the slaves illiterate because they *knew* damn well that The Bible said no such thing. I am sure you have your reasons and rationale for having left behind The Way but lets not judge Book by the character of the most vile people that cherry pick quotes from it.
There's a reason why the Slavery Defenders had to resort to violence first against the Abolitionists! It's because they would leave the debate stage humiliated and shown for the shameful liars that they are. They could only back up their beliefs with force and tyranny because the light of even minor scrutiny shown through its paper thin defense.
Cassius Clay was the man. His life story makes me wish I was American because he gave zero fucks and went further then any politician today would even dare to go.
7:00 just FYI the bibal is actually very anti-slavery. Jesus repeatedly freed slaves.
FYI, the Bible does NOT support slavery, it only sets the rules on how the treatment of slaves was supposed to be if someone had them. Also, in the New Testament it talks about how Christians are not to retain slaves. People look at the lack of condemnation in the Old Testament, written thousands of years ago to the Israelites in a time where everyone had slaves, and misconstrue it as support for the institution of slavery.
fun fact, his kids went on to be activists for women's rights
Nope he did what he did and achieved 1000% more than what we could do or provide a argument for