Pushing Pan F to 3200
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- Опубликовано: 11 июл 2024
- Pan F is one of those film stocks I never gave too much thought to. Since I like to shoot in a wide range of lighting conditions I prefer a higher ISO film for the shutter speed flexibility.
So if Pan F doesn't work for me as is, what if I pushed it until it hits what I consider a usable speed?
It pushes well and behaves just what you'd expect pushed 4 stops, but completely falls off after. I tried pushing it 6 stops, but it was a disaster.
development notes:
Ilford DD-X 1:4
Ilford Rapid Fixer 1:4
20°C
box speed - 8:00
100 - 9:00
200 - 11:00
400 - 15:00
800 - 20:00
1600 - 25:00
3200 - 32:00
stand development notes:
Rodinal 1:100
Ilford Rapid Fixer 1:4
20°C
3200 - 60:00
00:00 intro
00:26 box speed
01:16 100
01:44 200
02:15 400
02:43 800
03:22 1600
04:02 preamble before 3200
04:51 3200
05:27 3200 pt.2
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"I push TriX to 3200 to give my photos a crude feeling of realism and to show the brutality of the scenes I documented".
Kawaii beta male Magnum war photographer from the '60s.
"Yeah, I could shoot a rock concert with PanF if I had to, I guess".
Attic Darkroom, probably.
Gotta say I'm amazed by your results here! I've long been curious about Pan F's limits for pushing, and the forums are always like NOOO DON'T PUSH IT YOU'LL CAUSE A RUPTURE IN SPACETIME and show all these doom and gloom results of what happens if you even dare to try a 1 stop push. Meanwhile you've said screw you to spacetime and went for it, and I now need to try Pan F at 400. It looks stunning!
To hell with your spacetime. I make slow film go fast.
Haha slow film go vroom
Ilford gives a terribly narrow official dev chart for Pan F. It is interesting to see it pushed to above and beyond.
I love that this channel is growing. Happy to see you start to get recognized for the great content you make!
Thanks a lot man, growth like this doesn't happen without long time viewers like yourself.
How can I support your mad science experiments? Love this Chanel and all the questions you have pioneered answers for
Just keep enjoying the videos, that's all I can ask for. Thanks!
Dude just to let you know I found your channel a few days ago and it's gold, it's not hipster squarespace bait and that already makes it special.
thanks for the videos man even though you are doing a sort of niche please continue doing these kind of niche videos they are very creative!!!
cheers mate
I love drinking fixer with a bit of beef jerky.
Yeah, I'm definitely going to try PanF at 800 for some really contrasty Black Metal album cover type stuff. Great video, both informative and entertaining!
Was just wondering the other day when we'd be blessed with another upload and, here we are. Wild to see the results of pushing Pan F so far, you're a maniac. Keep it coming :)
You changed my attitude towards extrem pushing! I‘ll try it. Maybe „pre-flashing“ of the film would help 🤷🏻♂️
Keep it in, your doing a great job 🤌🏽
I've been meaning to try pre-flashing, but I've never tried it before and I hate change. One day.
I just randomly went on your channel thinking, hey, maybe he uploaded a new video that I missed and here I am, 6 minutes after the video was posted 🤭
just recently binge watched almost every video on your channel, was very hyped to see another pop up in my feed :)
just discovered you and i’m so glad i did, i already feel like i’ve learned a lot!
Your channel is the best, thanks for these mad videos!
this has quickly become my favourite channel! keep going bro!
You've very much sold me on Pan-f at 100 or 200, those shots looked dope
A channel that is borderline insane. I love it! New Sub.
Interesting experiment you got going on here, crazy film man.
I will forever love you for just sacrificing your own time and film in the persuit of knowledge and tonezz
i unironically love the garage shots! graphic art
Great video, as always
You give some film stocks an extra push. I love that!
One of my favorite film photography channels on YT!
I have a bulk roll of this stuff that's well and truly expired, but it's developed fine at box speed and pulling it to 25. I've been curious about pushing it to 3200. Thanks for doing a test! I actually really like the 1600 results you got. And thanks for posting the dev times!
Glad to see this guy is doing what my intrusive thoughts always tell me - so I don't have to.
Pan F is my favorite landscape film. For mountains, bodies of water, and rocks, it has a deep, chocolatey rich contrast that I don't see as much in other films. It breaks my heart that it's not available in 4x5. FP4 is the only one that comes close.
the madman-menace posts again
it's a very interesting experiment and I love the results you got even with 1600. Thank you for posting here your developing info. Not much information about this film and pushing even on the Massive Chart site there is nothing more than 100 only for the Xtol.
Please keep these coming lmaoo
Next video I pull pan f 6 stops.
Keep up the good work, always great to watch.
10 hour exposures sounds like a load of fun.
@@atticdarkroom Don't forget to do it on 35mm so you have more samples to prove your point.
And just imagine how much time would you save on development times.
very good and interesting content, even I don't touch the chemical part, it's very cool to see these processes and results
Oh boy, I see you like challenges and I have a challenge for you. Try pushing CMS 20 to anything above ISO 20
I love these videos mate, keep have you thought of doing any more colour film stuff? (not necessarily turning B/W film into colour tho lol)
The old Ansel Adams rule is to meter/shoot for shadows and develop for highlights. It looks like you did something like average metering and then exposing. So the shadows are multiple stops underexposed and just go to pure black.
awesome
The mad lad with a darkroom did it. Nothing can stop them
The 400 would be nice in a movie
Panf looks so good at box too
from the few pan f rolls I've shot, I'd say it's really not that much different from delta 100.
also... you'd probably have a blast with rollei rpx 25...
You should try a speed increasing developer--something like Ilford Microphen. It's designed for pushing films
3:42 this should be a fine art print
You should do a video where you stand develop ADOX CMS 20 II to see if you can make it less contrasty.
Re not being able to see with the ND filter on: I recently bought a "rapid nd filter mount bracket" from Ulanzi (it seems to be available from many different manufacturers though) which acts like flip up sunglasses for your camera. I have the issue that sometimes 400 ISO film doesn't let me get the backgrounds I want so I use an ND filter, but then I can't see clearly enough to focus with the split prism. This seemed to be the perfect solution: focus, flip the filter down, take the shot.
I would be interested to see, though I think I know what would happen, if you developed some pushed Pan F in something like adox's developer for CMSII. Meant to turn line films into something traditionally usable, it might just pull a tad more mid-tones out of this at higher speeds.
I think I have a bottle of Adotech somewhere. That might be worth trying out. Thanks for the suggestion!
How about doing what you do with those cheap Amazon color filter sets i.e. octo-chrome with violet and fuchsia channels?
Pan f is quite nice at 100!! I think I might start shooting more B&W!! Also what 6x6 camera did you use for these shots?
I shot these with a Hasselblad 500C/M
If you want to tame Pan F contrast try Rodinal 1:100 semi-stand development with 30 seconds agitation at the start, 3 inversions at 30 minute mark and 3 inversions at the end of the hour... or go 1:200 for 2 hours with 30 sec at the start, 3 inversions every 1/2 hour. I have never pushed Pan F, and shoot at an ei of 32 ASA and use it frequently for portraits where I want a slow enough shutter speed wide open to sync with my fill flash. Of course with my Mamiya I only need to slow it down to 1/500 to sync with the leaf shutter.
I just wish Pan F were available in sheet film formats
I love Pan F at 50 :)
I’ve never shot Pan F - and I think I’d like to! I honestly prefer slower films (I consider 100 to be “fast”) but Pan F supposedly has pretty poor image latency and knowing the rate I go through film, where I may leave a roll in the camera for months at a time if life is *that* uneventful… (most of the last 2 years, fwiw) I think it would go pretty poorly for me. Maybe sometime there’ll be an appropriately sunny event where I know I can blow through a roll in a day and I’ll finally get to try this out.
This is super intersecting. I've pushed Pan F to 800 via Gavin Lyons video. His development was like yours: DDX 1:4, 68f/20c, but for 18:00 vs your 20:00. They came out pretty well. What was your agitation cadence, if I could ask?
Like a doofus I grabbed a roll last weekend, midshoot, and it was Pan F instead of HP5. Exposure? 1600asa. At least there is one person, you, who has tried that so I've got a little bit of hope to pull it off!
I did inversions for the first 30 seconds and then 4 inversions at the top of every minute.
If I were to try this again I would probably stand develop it. It might do a better job.
I was going to suggest stand development. With Rodinal 1+100, for an hour with no agitation, you can get nice results at ISO 400 easy.
so what is the terminal velocity of a squirrel?
Out of curiosity, what do you scan with?
Are you still developing at box speed or adjusting?
I used shoot street photography with kodachrome 64, and now i use velvia 50. How are your shutter speeds so low at iso 50? lol
Oh shit.. guess I gotta shoot pan f now 🙄
What would happen if you developed B&W film in color chems with a bleach bypass? Would you get results?
That's something I've been meaning to try. I'm actually doing a run of bleach bypass in a week or so, and I'll definitely be trying it out.
Blank roll.
@@iNerdier if there's bleach, for sure. But without bleach (as in bleach bypass) you should get b&w negs.
can you do the 3200 again but using with a flash
Thats a good idea. If I ever get around to it again I'll definitely try flash.
Nice to know I can get a cheaper Kodak Tri-X alternative in the UK since it's shot up in price. It might become my new default!
Tri-X 400, 35mm: £9 (?!)
Tri-X 400, 120: £9.50 (!!)
PanF @200 or 400, 35mm: £6 (The old Tri-X price, like, 6 years ago)
PanF " ", 120: £5 (The old HP5 price in shops 6 years ago)
Now, everyone *shhh*, or Big Ilford will catch on.
There are two films I can live with forever, the Pan F and the HP5. Pan F for fine work and HP5 general purpose any speed. I would never need anything else.
I almost never shoot anything in B&W besides FP4+ and HP5+, but have loved the results from PanF+ when I have shot it.
have you ever tried expired russian film svema??
No, but I do have a roll laying around somewhere.
Shit o actually really like how this stock looks, ill have to shoot it
What developer did you use?
Ilford DD-X. I used Rodinal for the stand development. If you're interested in the details it's in the video description.
@@atticdarkroom Thank you!!
I stuck a knife in my hand to see if it would bleed , it did
Idk bout you, but up to 800 still looks great to me. High contrast makes everything doomy, gloomy, moody.
already at 400 iso the shadows in the negatives look much too open. I would have stopped the experiment here at the latest.
oh yeah! here we have a proper review. showing the film at box speed is a useless review. well done is showing the limits and exposing the whole "truth" about what we are studying/testing.
I was going to watch this to see if it was serious or just a poor joke. Then, I decided my time is more valuable than to be wasted like this.
Well now you know what you can do if you are caught short without some ortho 😏
imagine pulling to is 0.006
Oh and our man here uses Rachel K. Collier's music! Could you be any cooler!!?
I thought the topic was clickbait...
Pan f is my favorite filmstock. You lovingly butchered it. I feel conflicting feelings.