News- Review of YouTuber Police Report & Stalking Court Order
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- Опубликовано: 25 апр 2024
- Aviation RUclipsr Dan Gryder was mentioned in the NTSB report on the fatal accident of a Cessna 208B in Heyburn, ID. Gryder trespassed on the site of the plant where the pilot had hit a tower, and took the light that was on top of the tower. He recorded himself doing both the criminal trespassing and the theft, telling his audience in his video that he brought the light back with him to Atlanta. In addition, Gryder has had a Protective Order placed against him in the case of a woman who complained of stalking in Louisiana. Gryder appealed all the way to the state supreme court, but his appeals have been denied.
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Interfering with an ongoing FAA/NTSB investigation like this is inexcusable. The light and its condition was vital to the investigation and will also be a major part of ongoing litigation.
Doing stupid, illegal, childish stunts like this represents the worst of Social Media. Jb.
@@user-og1dj4qk3pmature and thoughtful response.
Hmmm, didn’t expect you to get yourself involved in this spat Juan. Disappointed!
Come on Juan, don't take the side of big government
He went there after the NTS being investigated and they didn't take that because they're incompetent and missed it
NTSB report states he removed it before they were done.
RIP Brittney.
Is it bad that I knew it would probably be Gryder just from the title?
I knew from a mile away it wouldn't be BrYan Turner.... I'm pretty sure he's not a thief.... as for the stalking...... ;)
Hahaha don’t worry, I was thinking the EXACT same thing
Yup, knew as soon as I saw the title
Well done Sherlock. Have another junior mint.
I figured it was Gryder as well.
After reading the NTSB report, there is more here that is not being discussed… The stacks in question are directly in line of the runway approach, improperly marked, and interfere with the standard three (3) degree glide slope. They appeared on the scene six (6) years before the crash but long after the airport was constructed. To make matters worse, they were extended further (higher) because they also violated EPA requirements.
There is no discussion in the NTSB report of how the stacks came to be or why the FAA didn’t do more to get them installed properly. But there is some additional stench here… This is a municipal airport that I suspect is more than a little bit reluctant to tell the significant tax payer potato plant to cease and desist and do something appropriate with their exhaust stacks. On top of that, this is the only runway that has a published RNAV approach and it has significant obstructions in the way. What is the FAA thinking? The bottom line is that this appears to be an accident that was waiting to happen.
I see you have not read the final report.
@@skyboy1956 I've not read every word. But my review so far caused me to post the message. Particularly interesting is the photo from the police department showing the final to runway 20. Most of the comments come directly from this report.
@@tgmct probable cause of the accident was: "The pilot’s failure to maintain altitude during an instrument approach, which resulted in a descent below the approach path and impact with a vent stack."
Might want to rethink your message.
Did you get all of your info from DG?
@tgmct What is the point of your post? This RUclips video has nothing to do with the accident. It has everything to do with the lack of credibility of a RUclipsr who presents himself as having some kind of credible opinion on that subject. There is no reason to believe his videos. He has proven it himself. He may say some true things; but, having proved himself lacking credibility, there is no reason to believe what he posts.
"The dog ate my homework" Gryder.
Not really sure how this is "aviation" news other than you have a bone to pick. I think aviation would be better served if all the drama between youtubers just stopped, instead of stooping down to the same level move on and report on actual Aviation news instead of tabloid news. You are doing a disservice to your channel and your viewers by continuing the drama.
Hi Chad, what about any female student pilots? Would the Judgment in the Court of Appeals stalking case maybe make a difference to them? It certainly would have been a lot easier for me to be silent on this news.
@@TakingOff That's for the courts to decide. I am no fan of Dan but all of this stuff is in bad taste and makes the Aviation community look bad. I understand you don't like Dan because of what he has said about you in the past but why risk the channel you have built to continue to try to get back at him? I mean just look at the comments in this video.
who cares if I like or dislike the guy? What I presented were police reports and court judgments. Known as news. You’re right it’s for the courts to decide, and that’s what I reported on. The courts deciding. And this court decision is beneficial for people in our aviation community.
@@TakingOff It's your channel do what you want to with it. I am offering my opinion to you as a viewer. I am not interested in drama and that's all this is. It's not aviation news.
This is aviation news. Dan Gryder is, unfortunately, a well known figure in the aviation community. This is something that I believe the community, especially the people that follow him, need to know. Was it drama when Trevor Jacob's adventures were reported upon or was that the news? Why is it so with Dan Gryder? Because he said mean things about this channel? Should he dissociate from anything involving Gryder because it would be "drama"?
End of the video "I'll send the light back" huh I thought he told the police he examined the light but didn't take it with him?
The light is in the protective custody where the corrupt Burney city counsel or Burney Police can't get it. The city and that potato company is facing a massive lawsuit.
@@CaptainRon1913you can’t take evidence and claim you are safeguarding it. There needs to be a valid chain of custody.
@@CaptainRon1913 this is the equivalent of removing a weapon from a crime scene. Stop covering for this idiot.
@@CaptainRon1913 who is Burney?
@@skyboy1956burley Idaho
Some things to think about:
1. Would anyone be talking about the light if Dan hadn't taken/pretended to take it?
2. If it was actually crucial to the investigation, doesn't it seem like law enforcement and the NTSB didn't try very hard to get to the bottom of it or to retrieve the evidence?
3. Dan shits on the NTSB every chance he gets. Is it possible they are exaggerating the impact of his stunt by mentioning it in their final report? Seems like a weird way to put it, especially with such little effort on their part to legally address it if in fact they had cause. Almost seems like they thought they could finally hit back but why be petty instead of using their actual authority?
I don't care about Dan one way or the other but all of this is a bit weird to me. I get red herring vibes.
Dan is has had questionable integrity for quite some time. Long before his RUclips criticisms of the NTSB.
Something else to think about:
1. Why tf would you defend this guy
@@Rosstafari Learn to read. I am not defending him. The NTSB basically said Dan Gryder bested us and we couldn't do anything about it. Does that make sense to you? Not that I expect you to be able to understand that question either since you demonstrated your lack of reading comprehension already.
@@tomcoryell My comment isn't really about Dan. It's about how the federal gov't, with all their power, got out maneuvered by him.
@@craigmcallister2310 Learn to read? Like read the NTSB report? Or the docket? Where it describes how he trespassed and stole the light, which law enforcement discussed and ultimately declined to prosecute due to the statute of limitations? The reading you didn't do? That kind of reading?
The guy went to an active investigation and stole something. You're defending him and making up conspiracy theories to justify it. That's nuts. Full stop. There's no debate to be had here.
I'm not sure if Dan removed that light...but regardless, his visit to the crash scene was after the FAA and NTSB concluded their onsite investigation and after the tower/steam stack had been dismantled. If there's anyone to blame for the light not being scrutinized as part of this investigation...it's the NTSB.
And even if they really wanted that light, couldn't they have just written a federal warrant to get it from Dan's house?
Yeah, boundry issues accross the board
Interfering? Whatever. Why does this guy have it out for Gryder?
because of the prop strike and the Ut-Oh gyro incident that Dan G gave it to Dan M .
Because Gryder is a con artist
@@stormanglass927 Gryder is a conman. Mark my words, Gryder comes to an end as a smoking hole in the ground of his own doing. Unless he's jailed first.
Gryder is an ego trip gone wild
This feels like highschool - petty theft, petty accusations, and restraining orders.
most of the public has been reduced to an infantile mentality...which anyone can observe by looking at the world around them, case and point...grown adults, citizens and business owners hounding other aduots like schoolchildren to wear masks in public...pretty sad, like scared little children....quite pathetic actually ..
I’m confused as to what part of an actual court case and a man filming himself committing a crime is “high school?”
I don’t think the 3 of you have any clue what’s actually going on here
I didn't know anybody in high school with 4 restraining orders.
@@lukycharms9970 Most of my highschool memories were of doing illegal things and I made a lot of videos.
DG’s worst enemy is DG. Anything coming is earned.
legend has it Dan was playing his guitar there as well
What a surprise. Assumed it had to be him long before his name was mentioned.
Because you saw his picture in the thumbnail? Wow you probably earned a high degree in college
@@AirJockey100You certainly didn't.
It would be nice if the two Dans could just stop trying to drag each other through the mud and just go their separate ways. This feuding back and forth really doesn’t help aviation in any way.
Dan G has said some pretty inflammatory things about Dan M in the past and Dan M has a business relationship with the same Charles Cook that was referred to in the lawsuit with a judgment against Dan G. So I feel that neither Dan can be trusted to tell the truth about the other without interjecting their personal bias at this point, but I’ll freely admit that Dan G has my vote for most likely to end up in jail.
Seems like a fairly balanced take to me.
I replied to a comment on Dan G's video that I was considering going to the court to get the judgement transcripts since someone implied that it wasn't justified.
Dan G replied to my comment "I can send them to you"
I stated "that woukd be easier than the other option". He didn't reply.
I pimped him with a "Hello"
He then said he knew my name, address, email, and where I kept my plane. He put my full address in the comment. In other words, he Doxxed me.
I asked why he was inclined to do that, and he deleted the entire conversation EXCEPT the "I can just send it to you".
What a dirtbag.
Just curious what kicked off the hate for Gryder?
So, some time back, I remember Gryder posting a video pointing out this guy's pilot mistakes, like having a prop strike and not inspecting the engine, etc. Seems like it went bad after that.
Because he is a know it all D-Bag who is typically wrong more than he is right...
Gryder did. 😂
@@jphutube oh no, Mr G has done plenty of self owns to warrant videos. Watch him critically and you'll see it too.
Gryder started out with a good cause, but he worries more about being first or loudest rather than accurate. Do as I say, not as I do.
Like hours on the Hobbs meter, so as the beacon turns...
stay tuned for the next episode of "General Airport"
That made me laugh!
when I saw gryder's original video of him and the light in his lap it felt so wrong... I was hoping it was a prop...
I saw it too. I was under the impression that the items he was picking through in that video were left on the side of the road for the dump. It wasn't really clear in the video how he had access to the stuff. I was a little surprised/uneasy how he might of come by it all. The few parts he had taken from a couple other crash sites were all well after the crash sites had been abandon and official investigations had ended. Just small bits of metal that just never got fully cleaned up.
He acted like this was no different, at least until he said at the end of the video "I took their light" "I bet they will be mad" or something to that effect. Seemed like he was just being sarcastic and humorous, not that he had actually like stolen it. I figured the stuff was abandoned making what he did no different than picking up furniture on the curb destined for the trash like people do all the time. Didn't know he had allegedly trespassed. That's not good/okay at all.
I thought he had bought a copy. I didn't bother anyway.
Unsubbed from Gryder a long time ago - When he started out he actually had pilot safety videos that made sense. Then (in my opinion) he became an ambulance chaser, with some really wild theories about crashes and no real evidence to back up his sometimes insane speculation and slights against other pilots.
I will say that his acolytes are ravenous and believe his every word - he can do no wrong in their eyes.
Maybe his next career step is US politics? I unsubbed a lot time ago, too. I have a radio friend that is also a pilot who says he met Gryder a couple times. His reponse when I asked him about Gryder was: "Well...." That was it. Looking forward to the old cookbook show on Sunday....
@glenandfriendscooking you look like someone who got at least 3 jabs, no wonder you don't like someone like Gryder and call his work "wild theories without any evidence".
@@micham8278 I rest my case...🤣
@micham8278 except they ARE wild theories.
@@micham8278Just out of curiosity, did you see the videos about the crash at the Flying Oaks? If need be, I think I can find the transcript so you can see how bad it was.
Where is Gryder’s video from yesterday?
In a safe place the NTSB can have it whenever they want LOL
YT removed it because blanco put a strike in They have copies I will be back at some point .
@@thelonerizla1 source?
I’ve ALWAYS felt something slightly off about this guy before. I’m glad I’m not the only one
About Dan Gryder, not Dan Millican..
Ditto. There was always something about Gryder that always rubbed me the wrong way. His “investigations” and aviation “insights” were more premature assumptions than anything else. Sadly, I don’t think all the legal battles he’s in right now will change that. His pride and ego will un-phase him to all of this and he’ll just keep putting other aviators down. Still, one can hope that he’ll finally learn from all of this, but time will tell.
Do you know the final outcome of the AOPA Cessna Cardinal episode ? Did he ever pay up ?
He did not.
Where did you get the taxi way signs?
From an airport. They had new taxiways and were getting rid of old signage.
Nice try.
I remember Dan was not nice about this guys skills. Maybe that's the reason he was enjoying doing this video. I don't buy how he's concerned about the families. It obvious he was enjoying telling one side of the story.
Dan Millican had an incident taking off on a gyrocopter and Dan Gryder put him down a lot for"big pilot error". Dan gryder just wanted to put down another youtuber with more views than him. He loves to do that to many. Payback time now.. LOL..
@@user-lq7hf1ww3k Well was it big pilot error? Big pilot error begets big criticism does it not? Criticizing someone for their mistakes allegedly too harshly in your opinion is totally different than taking pleasure in someones troubles like some psychopath would do, which is what millican is doing. Heck, Mentor Pilot posted a video with AI generated thumbnail showing a captain angrily shouting and being violent with the first officer before a crash. I combed through the real report and found no mention of violence, anger, aggression, or angrily shouting. In fact the opposite. Pure slander of a dead captain and people eat it up. Just stop with the drama already.
Edit: And to be clear, I am no big fan of all of dans takes or how he does all of it. But he is entitled to his opinion and sharing opinion isn't a crime despite how much people would like it to be. McMillan appears to be deliberately misleading by leaving out info regarding dan's dc3 dismissed case. Flashing his mugshot and falsely saying dan assaulted someone. Which dan didn't and the judge cleared dan of. Milican could find himself getting sued by dan for his false statements about dan too if he isn't careful. Its okay to be honestly wrong. And dan was clearly honestly wrong because of people feeding him bad info, millican seems to be willfully ignorant at best, if not deliberately misleading. You don't have to watch Dan's video if you don't like them, I stopped awhile ago.
Dan’s always on about the FAA and NTSB being out to get him, but, unfortunately, he’s his own worst enemy. I still don’t think that Dan has bad intentions, necessarily, but when everything is a conspiracy and you wrongly believe that you know better than everyone else, well… you run out of grace pretty quickly. Dan clearly needs to see a mental health professional, and I honestly hope he can overcome his arrogance and persecution complex in order to do so.
Dan Millican had an incident taking off on a gyrocopter and Dan Gryder put him down a lot for"big pilot error". Dan gryder just wanted to put down another youtuber with more views than him. He loves to do that to many. Payback time now.. LOL..
@@user-lq7hf1ww3kI think Dan Gryder has way more views than this guy.
I noticed I had not seen a video from Mr Gryder for sometime and my reaction was he must have got in some trouble as a result of his lack of judgement. So finding this information was no surprise. It’s a sad situation, but bound to happen.
Gryder releases a new video every Sunday and occasionally others during the week. He addressed this last Sunday.
@@ResortVideos805He didn't "address" shit on last Sunday. He is forgetting what got him 106K subscribers.
@@user-ln9ku6of6g like 2.5 weeks ago yes he did Mr. Generic Username
Junior High School "mean Girls" club gossip video.
WOW! Gryder hit piece. Labeling him as "EVIL".
I didn't know anybody in Junior High with 4 restraining orders.
A bee hive of contention for sure. Any comments of any kind are certain to elicit a stinging rebuke from those protecting their hive.
Sounds like a case of “show me the man and I’ll tell you the crime.” This seems petty actions by the government to show their might because Dan embarrasses them regularly.
DG only embarrasses himself and only the Fanbois are fooled into thinking otherwise.
DG has never embarrassed anyone but himself.
It appears that Gryder is the National Enquirer of RUclips aviation.
Facetious restraining orders.
Dang Bryan, if only I had shared evidence and details. Maybe next time I'll post a police report or two and court documents.
@@Timberns It's 100% supported and files uploaded.
Not a Gryder fan, but what’s the point.
Dan Gryder is a stain on aviation that unfortunately can't be ignored.
I love both your pages equally(Been a fan of DTSB probable cause, And yours as well) But I don’t agree with one thing you posted and frankly, I don’t think the situation With whatever is really going on with this lady in Louisiana needs to be aired. All of us in the business have dirt on each other. No one‘s perfect.
Stalking a female student certainly qualifies as bad behavior I would never give anyone a pass on, and speaks greatly about his character and ability to respect boundaries.
Not surprised by all the news about Gryder.
You call this trash "news"? OK....
This is like a high schooler/ political foe pissing match. Basically leftists side with millican and rightist side with gryder 😂
Caught red handed and not man enough to fess up. What a stupid ass thing to. Stealing evidence from a active investigation and posting it on RUclips. He lacks any professional ethics. "I don't have the light....but I'll send it back". Stick to the banjo and stop trespassing. Lost total respect for him.
I can't imagine taking flying lessons from someone who talks about how he would stage his self-ending as a plane crash. Said in jest, or not, that's a big nope for me.
Thank you for this explanation video. It reminds me of a saying..."hurt" people hurt people.
Taking that light was a major bonehead move! Forget the tresspass... If he had filmed the wires not connected in situ. he would have made a much better point. Now, everything to do with the light will be dismissed even if he is correct. He did make some very good points about the approach itself, and how the FAA allowed it. IMO the approach to that runway should have been suspended when they put up the stacks. I hope that argument doesn't get lost because of Gryder's lack of self control.
His argument gets lost, for sure. Someone else who does have credibility will have to agree with it and argue it. He threw that capability away.
You don’t get it… If not for Dan, the light would NEVER have been an issue. The NTSB would have swept everything under the rug and say “nothing to see here folks”
@@VincentArdolino wow! You have a crystal ball?
I’ve tried to point out basic inconsistencies on Dan’s videos and he just deletes the comments. I’m no Gryder fan by any stretch but I do hope he gets the help he obviously needs before he hurts himself or others. Absolutely brutal.
Hello from Minnesota! Interesting story.
Man, I am so glad I unsubbed from that guy, always seemed a little off to me. Always wondered why he always took videos down after putting them up, as if he thinks they’re actually gone. Oddly, was wondering what’s up with him the other day, now I know.
unfortunately, nothing was done about theft of the light or other alleged criminal charges
It remains to be seen. The NTSB is not an enforcement agency so it can't just start taking enforcement action. There may be on-going coordination between NTSB and FAA which may result in FAA enforcement action.
@@machsaga5141 FAA won't touch it. The Heyburn police would be the criminal investigative unit but the case stumped them so that was the end.
Trespassing and PL aren't extraditable, so if he stays out of Idaho, he is basically immune.
No complaints from me about the Heyburn video and tower light incident… the plant went after him with the Police because their ridiculous dodgy chimneys caused a fatal crash, and the NTSB are bitching because once again Gryder correctly called them out again for being sloppy and inept… made them look stupid so they play the victim…..
@@johnmoruzzi7236 Could not have said it better my friend.
Who knew there would be a pissing match between aviation youtube channels. How about we focus on "how to not die in your airplane" and interesting aviation news? How about dat?
So channels covering the legal issues of Trevor Jacobs or Trent Palmer are looking at "interesting aviation news" but channels covering Dan Gryder are having a "pissing match"? Aside from not using that term in the right context, you seem to conveniently ignore that Gryder was specifically mentioned in the NTSB report for actions that he'd filmed himself doing & posted on RUclips. I suppose you think going through Jacob's NTSB reports and discussing his sentencing was a "pissing match" too? An aviation RUclipsr took it upon himself to interfere with an _in-progress_ fatal crash investigation for content.... sounds an awful lot like "interesting aviation news" to me, regardless of who that RUclipsr is.
How about Gryder stops being a weirdo and disappears from the public eye from now on?
No no drama is much easier to monetize.
This reminds me of women in a hair salon, gossiping about crap. This dude is getting paid to talk shit about someone.... not cool.
@@alexprice8399 Millican can not be getting paid much... he only has 100,000 subs!
"I brought the light with me"
His video, version 3, "I didnt bring the light with me, but i had it sent to a safe place".
story changes with every change of underwear . . .
This is just a real shame. I’m not going to assume any type of motive for Dan Millican’s video here. He does often report on aviation related news reports. But let me ask you this; if I mention the name Bill Clinton what comes to your mind? I see this as an unnecessary distraction to what we all want to learn about when we subscribe to the various aviation channels on You Tube or any other platform. This latest legal action, which is of public record, tarnishes the important message of keeping oneself safe in this field of aviation which we all so highly value. Everyone is entitled to his or her opinion but let us all move onward and upward together and enjoy the privilege of flying. We are truly among the very fortunate!
Actually, the report on the women Gryder illegally harassing and stalked in Louisiana is directly related to aviation. She was most likely an unwitting student of his. Had she known how unhinged he was, it may have persuaded her to find a different instructor that wasn't an apparent (and demonstrated) danger in the aviation community.
Dan, I don't agree with the negative comments you are getting from other viewers. It's important that your info gets out to people who follow that less and less desirable youtuber. His actions are disgraceful.
Whose actions are unprofessional?
the whole situation with "Angelle"
and the situation with the light,
should be separate videos.
No it shouldn't... it's all encompassing & tells the tale succinctly of "The Current Weird, Weird World Of Dan Gryder".....
@@_Ben4810 taking that light was obviously a stupid move,
I won't even call it a mistake...
idk what's up with Angelle, it would be nice if each incident was discussed in more detail 🤔
Dan should not have taken the light, the NTSB should have. Where were they? Why was that evidence left unexamined? An accident like that, an obstruction in the glide path, should have been crawling with NTSB and FAA investigators.
Yeah, he got it _after_ the NTSB was there, apparently. So ...
No, the NTSB report stated it was taken before their investigation was complete. What a tool.
@@oscarb9139 But after they left the scene and left it behind. The investigation takes 2-3 years. NTSB = Incompetence.
@@davecat1458 Danny G = incompetence.
@@oscarb9139NTSB is kinda known for dragging their investigations out so we probably won’t know when it’s actually finished
I see Gryder doing a lot more comprehensive videos related to pure operational safety than I’ve ever seen from this channel. I think this Dan here is still bent out of shape over gryders video of Milligan lying about his mini helicopter crash
DG has never done anything comprehensive.
Milligan claims he's never new Dan made a video about his accident. I think Mr. Gryder is not the only person not being honest.
I’m not sure why you feel compelled to make psychiatric descriptions. This is embarrassing.
Is this guy trying to cause Dan to lose some of his Delta benefits? It sounds like he is directly trying to make a (RUclips) record of alleged inappropriate behavior. I'm sure he probably already called Delta and is trying to do what he can to cause Dan a headache. By making this video, This guy looks like a schmuck. I predict he will take this video down soon.
Narcissists do not go to the doctor and get a diagnosis. They deceive people around them so that they can get away with their aggressive (and often illegal) activities. Gryder meets the criteria for narcissistic personality disorder. Collection of such evidence has to be done without the cooperation of the individual because they are secretive and habitually lie. Yes, I am qualified to diagnose psychiatric disorders, although I am retired from that profession. The info in this video is basically correct and applicable to Gryder.
@@markb2255 I've had enough of this guy.
@@markb2255At least nail Dan with some convictions first and THEN have Delta crap all over him.
@@robertgaudet7407You people are flipping sociopaths man. The dude lost his wife to cancer and is trying to make aviation safer where the FAA and NTSB fall horribly short. The NTSB and FAA are pathetic at issuing meaningful timely reports and issuing recommendations for GA. GA is very much neglected and the fatality rate is showing it. Blancolirio, Scott Perdue, and Dan have all recognized and even worked together to try supplement and improve the situation.
Dan Gryder is the latest Trevor Jacob
It would be interesting to know which time frames we are talking about here. Dan Gryder claims he was on site for a very long time after the crash. If the lamp was so important, why was it still lying around? It has already happened that after a crime scene was released, civilians found bodies in a burned down house. Then to claim that you entered a crime scene without authorization is more likely to mean that an investigator didn't do his job. You are right. This is not looking good. For for who?
I know Grider said it was a long time after the crash investigation and the investigators overlooked a lot of things
Exactly!
@@rickiehobson9351 According to DG he is better than all NTSB agents, even when he has no training on that. And trespassing and stealing possible future evidence are 2 crimes. Yes they are. Many times investigators have to go back to RE EXAMINE the place and items left there.. DUHH !
Would an investigator of the professionalism of, let's say; Greg Feith, would have closed a scene without the light, or a throttle body, a manifold, etc., The big point here is; in a fashion of time, what is a crime scene?
@@emergencylowmaneuvering7350 If they have to go back to collect evidence like a light - they failed. And this is exactly what Dan claims. Bingo.
Could it be that at some level, Gryder knew he had psychological issues that would have prevented him from obtaining a medical certificate (evidenced by the fact he accused someone else of it, and narcissists tend to project)?
And if so, if the FAA wasn't so backwards with the way it issued (or denied) medical clearances, maybe Gryder would have seeked the help he apparently needed much sooner?
Really good point about projecting. You see this over and over again.
@@TakingOff the stalking and the just going to the accident site for his own gain, as though the rules didn't apply, also lend credence to the theory he has psychological issues. But he can't get help even if he wanted to because it would end his career. So we have someone who needs help, maybe even knows he needs help, and doesn't seek it due to the rules. I don't know how to fix this, but it needs to be fixed.
Great channel; I find your commentary educational and instructive 🏆
Thanks.
Does anyone wish they had heeded bad feelings about ‘rescue rehab’ BEFORE there was a fatality?
You two should quit hammering each other. Unprofessional on both sides. Bury the hatchet.
"I come to bury the hatchet"
"no, no boy, not in your pointed head!" - Foghorn Leghorn
It’s not a feud, DG is just a despicable person and nobody should pay any attention to anything he has to say about anything.
So by trying to be relevant and self important, he painted himself into a corner of being a thief or being a liar. Brilliant move
Oh, his figurative "rap sheet" is much longer than being a "thief" and "liar". He is the worst that aviation has to offer. His biggest crime is he's a self-indulgent narcissist with zero integrity.
@@jerrylittle7797Sounds like you have some personal issues to contend with. Do better. Most of what Gryder does for aviation safety is more than any of us have done.
@@AirJockey100 speaking for yourself of course. Gryder is a D1Ck and abuses people around him. Everyone, even his cheering section, sees that. My "personal issues"? Nah, not really.
@@AirJockey100 he’s done literally nothing but make up problems where they don’t exist and harass the families of dead people.
@@AirJockey100What kind of parent names their daughter "Gordon?" Er, son?
Well, you like it or not, she went over 100 feet under the glide slope, no flaps and too slow. almost stalling she hit the tower. The photo see an airplane descending with no flaps towards the toward with nose up. She was not supposed to be there, illegal . Thats it. She sort of lost control. If she was a guy, an old guy especially, most could not talk much about it. Was pilot error.
The jet engine is a good model for pilots to follow. When it’s shut down, it quits whining.
I've read some of the lawsuits Gryder has been involved with. He's got some screws loose.
I watched that Gryder guy’s video once of the religious cult leader’s accident death and I couldn’t finish watching it because he called the her husband’s daughter who also died in the crash he was the pilot, and he told her that her Father had crashed on purpose killing another couple as well. I just thought he was sick, as someone who works in mental health, I honestly thought he was really sick. So I turned it off and found Juan’s channel. That Gryder guy is a nut job, and stalking women is just disgusting, let alone taking grizzly souvenirs from crash sites is really twisted.
No I feel like he did a fine job on the Tarzan video. That guy was way under qualified to fly that jet in that wx.
@@moleisrich1yes you’re absolutely right. He does well on many things and it’s sad to watch this conspiracy unfold in the hands of fellow pilots
@@AirJockey100 he doesn’t do well on anything.
@@cdeshaHe can probably fly any airplane better than most people so I’d say that’s doing pretty well
@@AirJockey100 probably not
Dan, everything up until 7:00 was good and unbiased, but everything after it (until 13:00) was unprofessional.
No it wasn't unprofessional. It's just part of the entire scope of Dan Gryder and is highly relevant.
@@nineteenfrankie Doesn't make anything Dan M said about Dan G untrue. The evidence about Gryder is widely known via legal documents. Lets not forget that Gryder also has wrecked or bent metal on at least 2 airplanes.
Clickbait mainstream media like behaviour, Dan keep your personal vendetta against Gryder to yourself please. Keep this aviation channel on topic.
How could it qualify as a personal vendetta when Gryder's activities seriously contaminate an area of important public interest (aviation safety)? Gryder is manipulative and deceptive. Why should he have freedom to misinform and harm people? Defamation is harm. Stalking is harm. Misinformation about safety is harmful.
@@kevinhornbuckle to seriously try and say Gryder spreads "misinformation about safety" is beyond wild to me. I think there are safer GA pilots out there because of him.
Well said
@@petsmith7772 I am a professional aviator and I will seriously say that DG spreads misinformation about aviation safety.
Dan Millican had an incident taking off on a gyrocopter and Dan Gryder put him down a lot for"big pilot error". Dan gryder just wanted to put down another youtuber with more views than him. He loves to do that to many. Payback time now.. LOL..
What a weird video...
Gryder is a weird guy so that checks out.
Seems the host sure mentions Dan a lot, what’s up with that.
Really?
I think Gryder's mental state has deteriorated. That's sad.
This isn't the first time Dan has been in trouble. He should be shut down and arrested if in deed he took the light.
Why did he decide he needed to steal pivotal evidence involved in a aviation casualty on private property? He isn't an NTSB investigator. He isn't even a private investigator. For RUclips clout? This guy lost his marbles. Hopefully the FAA/NTSB prosecutes to the fullest extent of the law.
@@pmccoy8924you wonder why he stole the evidence even though he isn’t involved with the NTSB? He thinks he is better than the NTSB and FAA. He has a slogan of DTSB.
Definitely a feud among the aviation safety video guys. Parallels to the rap music feuds you see(OK the Tom Macdonald - Mac Lethal one). Comments on crashes questioning of experience. A death and visit to that crash site. Commentary about the police involvement. Entertaining in an unfortunate way.
It is too bad. Dan does have some talent and can have a good message and can make things interesting. But he can't be trusted and shouldn't be blindly believed by someone with little aviation experience.
I think the only feud is amongst the fanbois.
Gryders “suicide plan” sounds just like someone who would blow a whistle on something and then set up their own suicide to fuel the fires of conspiracy theorists.
Dan Gryder did not retire from Delta. He was fired.
He wouldn't have Delta privileges if he was fired.
@@rjobrien7805 no evidence he does have pass privileges.
Hmmm ... IANAL but, is that libelous?
@@rjobrien7805 What proof is there that he nonreved on delta?
@@janzenandrew Hahahaha....it''s effing youtube dude, the court of public opinion. Where's your proof? Like I even care.
I found his content to be inflammatory and belligerent. The RUclips algorithm would regularly suggest his content. I told YT to stop showing me his channel.
As far as his work reputation- He is outward vocal about "accountability " for the government, pilots. airlines and pilot associations. I have seen a consistent pattern similar to this before. The person making all the complaints is often a marginal employee who tries and avoid personal accountability for themselves by deflecting to everybody else.
Thanks for keeping the light shining on this.
I met Gryder at OSH last year. My initial take on him is he’s a grifter. I knew this was about him as soon as I saw the title. First he makes up “facts” and gets sued for libel, now this. A smart person knows when to quit. Doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different outcome result is the definition of insanity.
The old definition of insanity was popular 20 yrs ago.
re: "First he makes up “facts” and gets sued for libel,"
That right there may be libelous ... but, IANAL.
Apparently no one posting here really cares about actual facts? Change my mind.
@@uploadJ how is stating facts libelous? Explain this to me.
ruclips.net/video/FHel0JQf5nk/видео.htmlsi=gk1Glt325E7F2iSj did some people forget about this one.
@@skigolfmike re: "First he makes up “facts” and gets sued for libel"
The facts on the Cook case are in error? Which so-called facts are in error?
Please explain.
He was interesting at first. But then he started having wild theories about the physics of airplanes that were easily refuted by any number of engineering textbooks. And then more sensationalism crept in. And then he simply became a weirdo and creep. And somewhere in there he crashed a poor guy's c152 and just walked away.
C150/C152 don't have back seats
@@barthutchison4207 lol that’s true. Check out the report maybe it was behind the seats. He talked about the accident a lot but never said anything when the report was released.
Will do. Thanks
From NTSB Aviation Investigation Final Report Postaccident examination of the airframe and engine, which included testing of the flap system, revealed no evidence of mechanical malfunctions or failures that would have precluded normal operation. A four-port universal serial bus (USB) power supply adapter was found plugged into a power port located just below the cockpit flap switch. It was undetermined if the adapter conflicted with the operation of the flap switch. Based on available evidence, a reason for the reported flap issue was not determined.
Multiple requests to obtain a completed National Transportation Safety Board Pilot/Operator Aircraft Accident/Incident form and a statement from the right seat pilot were unsuccessful.
@@Smithy88888 Matt Mansell posted a video about it during the rebuild of his 150. Apparently a slight rut developed in the flap track at 40 degrees that only prevents travel when aerodynamic pressure is pushing the flaps to the back part of the track in flight. There's no pressure on the flaps on the ground, so they retracted normally for the NTSB during their investigation.
At any rate, flaps tend to no produce much extra lift past 30 degrees. Anything past that point and they are effectively spoilers. People tend to only use them for steep approaches over obstacles. You would not, as an example, use them for a low inspection pass on a STOL field like Grider did. There is a reason why Cessna stopped putting 40 degree flaps on their airplanes.
I am not defending Dan, but I do think he makes some very good content relating to AQP and the failures of the NTSB (who should have already visited the site where the light was situate) their ineptitude is alarming but overlooked here. He is usually fairly accurate and takes the time to visit the accident scene which nobody else does (apparently for free, i.e. no sponsors etc). This video is way off topic for Taking Off and I am furious at how sly they are being by releasing a video just to tell everyone about Dans problems in a very one sided, self serving way. You should be ashamed!!!
there is no such thing as AQP for general aviation. Nor will there ever be.
@skyboy & therein lies the problem…..
AQP can be a list of needed maneuvers. Or a list of unneeded. Depends on who made the AQP. The AQP Dan Gryder promotes dont include EFATO maneuvering, accelerated stalls, Windy GRM or low go arounds. Those maneuvers cause most accidents when done wrong. CFI's that cannot teach them make an AQP without them. A Mild Maneuvering AQP only. A BS AQP.
Thanks, Dan, for real investigative journalism.
Sad
Juan Brown still remembers when he arrived at the 2022 ACCA Reunion in Illinois on that C310. And Dan Gryder, went to the airplan but he was The ONLY ONE SHIRTLESS of the group. DG first went and hug his wife plenty. While been sweaty and shirtless. I could see Juan Brown CRINGE next to his wife which didnt want to hug shirltess dan gryder. DG is a creep.
Yeah that was a weird one for sure
Is his pathology enough to have his pilots license revoked?
The way the FAA does medical certificates, he would only lose his medical certificate if he got help for his pathology.
A person could be a bipolar paranoid schizophrenic and if they never went to therapy or took medicine for it, they would get their medical certificate without any difficulty.
Meanwhile, if a pilot is having marital issues due to his schedule and wants to seek psychological help in dealing with it, that person could lose their medical certificate for six months to three years the next time they went in to renew their medical certificate (for airline pilots, this is every six months).
The FAA medical system is broken and has been since the current rules went into effect in the mid-1980's.
Go to hell with that authoritarian mindset
@@chrisfly777300ER What's your problem? I was curious given the sort of things the FAA does in your country.
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@@noelinsley8057 Maybe he misses the open cockpit biplane and scarf days.
100% he took it.
first half of the video was great, the second half of the video is a take down and has little to do with aviation
I understand that there may be some unresolved tension between you and Dan Gryder due to his public criticisms of your piloting abilities. It seems that this video, like the previous one, could be interpreted as a response to Gryder's remarks. Given this personal conflict, it might not be appropriate to use your platform to address this issue. I would recommend considering a more neutral approach in the future to maintain professionalism and integrity.
I have no idea what he said about me. Nor do I care. People and pilots I actually respect are fine with my flying abilities.
👍✅I found this a very objective and fact based report with some personal opinions and comments at the end by D. Millican.
Gryder has some serious psychological issues. Have no knowledge about a riff between these two and don't care. I appreciate the info coming out. Was going to say helps to know who is full of BS on youtube but if you watch Gryder's videos, it's obvious that guys is just off.
Give it a rest
The fact that it took going to the Louisiana Supreme Court for a woman to get protection from Gryder’s stalking behavior is absolutely ridiculous. But I’m glad she has an intact order of protection.
Great video Mr. Millican. Thank you for digging in with details.
Just wondering why are you so excited about this?
Dan Millican had an incident taking off on a gyrocopter and Dan Gryder put him down a lot for"pilot error". Dan gryder just wanted to put down another youtuber with more views than him. He loves to do that to many. Payback time now.. LOL..
@@user-lq7hf1ww3k I mean, was it pilot error? Prove dan "just wanted to put down another youtuber with more views than him." "He loves to do that to many." That alone is you "just" defaming dan. You can't just jump to that conclusion because you don't like him, or disagree with his points, or because has been found liable for damages for an entirely separate incident. Dan lawsuit seems to have been lost due to administrative issues anyway.
Man with unchecked parachute will jump to conclusion….
@@andrewagner2035 I saw Dan puting down the CFI from MZero an even saying he cheated on his first wife and more. Bad..
Even call name to Juan Brown and many others with personal attacks for nothing at all. PAYBACK TIME NOW.. LOL..
@@seahour9147 i USED TO LIKE DAN G. But then I saw Dan puting down the CFI from MZero an even saying he cheated on his first wife and more. Bad crap from Dan G.
Even called names to Juan Brown and many others with personal attacks for nothing at all. PAYBACK TIME NOW.. LOL..
Holy crap!
Dan really wanting Gryders DC3 hahahaha
Yeah I believed him at first now I suspect he’s delusional.
@@Smithy88888 people just mad because Grader is exposing all there corrupt friends
@@user-og1dj4qk3p Gryder*
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I think Charles Cook will end up owning the DC-3, Cherokee, and his home.
All he had to do was take it down, issue a public apology, and it would be water under the bridge by now.
Dan G isn't that smart.
@@oscarb9139 Yawnnnn are you still busted up on this?
@@oscarb9139 i agree he isnt smart enough to be attacking others like he does, without eventually ensnaring himself.
I am no pilot, but saw the video of the incidents in question, and at the time it felt wrong to me for him to take anything. It seemed as though he was keeping grisly and very tacky souvenirs. I no longer watch him and have never watched this channel before. I watch Juan and just finished watching his video on the Seminole which crashed in March.
You know you're a real stalker when you take the case all the way up to the supreme court and STILL get denied, lol
Where is that happening? Here in the US? Jack Smith BTW was never properly sworn in as a US attorney (not confirmed by and in the US senate) - you know that, right?
You beat me to the punch. I’m retired law enforcement and let me tell you anyone who appeals a restraining order to the State Supreme Court has MAJOR emotional issues. Most normal folks just move on when they are rejected by someone they desired. It is the true nut jobs who can’t give it up and spend big $$$ trying to “win them back”, although in most instances they never really had them in the first place. This is bordering on “OJ Simpson” behavior!
Dan I have in the passed watched some of your clips but stay out of this it has nothing to do with you. Are you now the aviation police. You have never forgiven Dan about him rubbishing you on your gyro crash. Yes you also screwed up. Back off I have lost respect for you you sound like a politician.
I don’t watch his content very much. I have seen it occasionally and tbh there’s always been a “vibe” about him. Could never quite put my finger on it.
Notice the smile on his face at 6:35. Something odd about all of this.
Make you feel better?
To be fair, when the police 'try to contact someone', they try calling him once and let it ring once. If nobody picks up, they claim he wasn't there. Enough to get a search warrant, if they really want something from that guy.
I knew who the man was before I saw the video. That Dan Gryder is a clown for sure. I never liked his crash video's.
why did it take the NTSB longer to get to the site than Dan?
Uh, they are not in a rush to get out a YT video?
How is that relevant
Because they have to follow rules and procedures and aren't in it for the likes and subscribes. If in the course of their investigations they find something that is of immediate concern they will issue some form of interim finding or notice and work with the appropriate regulatory agency or manufacturer to get the information where it needs to go.
The answer is that they are not doing their job if a youtuber who has limited resources beat the team with unlimited resources to the scene of a crash. This is an attempt to take away the attention from the incompetence of the NTSB.
@@stormanglass927 you’re just parroting DG’s bs lol
Ntsb and all these other govt agencies r jokes. Someone gonna have to make a strong case as to 1 light being the key piece in a crash.. idk the details of any of it.
The question I have to ask is why does Gryder still have 106K subscribers.
And they seem to be very angry and defensive of him, too.
They’re weekend warriors and non-pilots. They have no idea what they’re seeing.
why does biden still have 2 dozen voters?
Most of us understand you have a personal BEEF with Gryder. Going after him publicly diminishes your credibility.
Gryder is a threat to the public. He is a habitual liar and attention seeker. His psychological problems contaminate important public discourse about the prevention of aviation disasters. Narcissists want people to believe than anyone who has a problem with them is purely motivated by "personal beef" (aka vendetta). The only way the public can obtain any protection from dangerous people like Gryder is to be told about them. People who are dangerous do not have a right to privacy about that dangerousness.
Thank you Kevin. And if my lips are supposed to be sealed simply because he attacked me, then the list of people who can say something is getting smaller all the time. If it diminishes my creds, so be it. As Kevin put it "The only way the public can obtain any protection from dangerous people like Gryder is to be told about them."
@@TakingOff Dan your video needs to be seen!! Good Job. Thank you for bringing this to the aviation and You Tube community.
So going after a politician…etc… I don’t like diminishes my credibility? Saying crap like that diminishes yours!
@@georgeglass1748Then stop watching, i.q. 12.
Don’t be so eager to pounce on your foes. I declare you guys are both like children. Making videos talking about each other and so on. Is that really what you want your children and grandchildren to know you for?
Funny, I knew who it was before you even started. How sad is that?
well if you have eyes you saw the video thumbnail.
What childish garbage
Oops… never take evidence
Nice to see Dan getting the recognition he deserves. GR🤡DER
Another Trevor Jacob ... he completely lost the grasp on reality and what's appropriate (or legal) behavior. His habit of leaving videos online for a short amount of time only makes a bit of twisted sense now. I guess he wasn't aware that RUclips videos can be captured and downloaded for posterity. I feel sorry for having some of his video in the past. Shouldn't have given him the attention.