No matter how good you are as tank, if your backline's dead, there's no way you can win. This is why a teammate is important, especially a DPS you can depend on to dish out damage or peel.
100% this, the problem is low rank players all think its the tanks job to peel for healers. They think hulk is supposed to turn around and leap into the allied backline to save everyone. Which he can help when the timing lines up, but he can't kill a dps fast enough to keep them from bursting down a healer.
Well its in your head that, I climbed to plat without mate as tank. Ye you lose some games but still win most of it. In bronze, bad players are in your team but also in foe team
I feel like it comes down to character choices a lot. Everybody in the lobby can be equal in skill but it doesnt matter if 5/6 of your teammates instalock dps while the other team has even one vanguard and one strategist. Lower level players absolutely refuse to play anything that isn't dps most of the time. I end up having to play magneto and strange most of the time even though Iron Man is my favorite character because everybody wants to instantly lock Spiderman or Star Lord or something even if there's 2 dps already.
I'm a plat Overwatch player and started playing today, I'm like 1 win away from silver now and been doing ok on magneto. Think more dpsy tanks can carry a bit better in bronze? But like in one game I had to switch to punished cos my team was doing absolutely nothing lol and won, like its so much easier to carry as a dps than a tank.
@@RobBlu-d6u I got flamed for telling one guy to get of spiderman in comp cos they weren't doing anyting lol and our healers complained that they were getting iron fisted and no one was helping. A lot of people just tunnel vision towards the objective but usually there are 2 supports and 1 tank, though I usually play that tank.
This is good. It's important to show people with the outlandish notion that climbing is solely dependent on your own skills that in reality, one person can only do so much.
A gm dps player can pretty much carry a bronze/silver lobby by virtue of being able to 100-0 high value targets. Tanking can really suck in low rank specifically because you have a much larger hitbox and you will get hard focused because theor stormtrooper dps literally cant aim well enough to hit anything that isnt you. Even if you somehow survive tank d-day and get into their backline you lack kill potebtial on tank and just get fucked over if supports heal each other. The idea of being able to carry low ranks isnt entirely false but is mostly relegated to dps.
As usual people will interpret anything they can to mean its not their fault they're in low ranks. He said a few times that Hulk is not the character to solo carry because he's team dependent, and if he wanted to try for a win he would be playing a different character. If your excuse for being stuck is that you're insisting on playing team dependent characters in the least reliable team setting, as he did for the sake of one video, it is still entirely your fault you're stuck. This game is easily carryable on multiple other characters, and not just DPS ones.
It is not an outlandish notion it is the reality, there is no elo where you can win 100% of the games. But as long as you deserve a higher rank you will win more than 50% of your games which will let u climb
I absolutely agree. I got to GM with hulk/wolverine and made a new acct and went in with just hulk and Bro; it was unbelievable how many games I had where no one would play tank and maybe one person would run support unless I was lucky. I would be diving in to kill supports and then just be setting there trying to 1v5, bubbling out and basically having to beg for heals lol. It’s just crazy how many low Elo players just play dps and don’t do anything. Most games I was always the highest damage with hawkeye, starlord, Hela and punisher on my teams. Like wtf. After a certain point there were certain games I would just sit in spawn the last few min so we could just lose faster. Like I know people are learning the game and such but I swear people really just feed half the time. I had a couple teams that literally staggered the entire game, just each walking in one by one and just dying after I spammed to fall back and group up in the chat lol. At a certain point I’m just like even if I have my best game ever this game is unwinnable.
What makes me so mad about bronze is how 1 game youll toast the enemy and the the VERY NEXT ROUND your team gets obliterated as if they all fell asleep. Its crazyyyy
Glad to see even GM hulk struggle when the team fails to support them. I just hit plat almost only one tricking hulk and it’s crazy how I can go 23-2 one game and then 5-7 the next. Being forced to solo tank as hulk is especially bad in my experience
In GM lobbies I notice they give up the first point and wait to hold further back. In lower ranks, teams will spawn camp right from the beginning if they can.
And that's exactly why people lose. You can easily hold for like 80% of the time meanwhile people go in spawn, die then theh push the first objective for free and maintain momentum and you end up halfway through the second objective before you get into the typical stale mate trading damage.
Spawn camping is a fight you will eventually lose simply because of numbers as they can get back far quicker than your team. They'll charge their ults and spam them which will net maybe 3-4 kills usually at least the supports then the fight is lost. If you set up further back you make them have to come from their spawn and go around a corner into a very dangerous choke to get you away from the cart and you can more easily control the high ground. If you stand outside spawn you're right in the open with no cover and can easily be surrounded from high ground. Any sort of gaming experience in these games will teach you that the defending team chooses where the fight happens and you get to pick the most advantageous.
Dude I just started comp today, my teams keep just going to the enemy spawn and dying at the start of the game for some reason, I don't get how basic tactics go above peoples heads who play comp.
love this style of video. i’ve been mainly playing hulk so i would love more videos explaining ur thought process throughout the game even in higher ranks
I just can’t get out of Bronze. Half the time my team is just screwing around on the other side of the map while I and maybe one or two others have to focus on the objective. It’s painful to play solo.
Loki no one targets the clones In low ranks which allows you to deal massive damage and healing. Plus at low ranks being able to use other people ults for much needed damage is really good
Its not that tough as long as you have any third person shooter fundamentals, or hero shooter fundamentals. Undeniably, it is tougher to carry in this more team centric game, but you will sway the odd more in your teams favour if you are good enough.
This video makes me feel better about myself that even amazing players get screwed left and right in Bronze due to teammates. It's a universal experience
Funner fact people don't try remotely as hard to win and play the game properly in quick play (Players insta locking 6 dps every other game), so you aren't getting any real practice. This problem is universal in every competitive game especially ftp ones, That's why games add placements to them to lessen the abuse on new players by helping boost smurf's to their real ranks which they want so they can actually get real practice, I am surprised this game does not have but I hope gets added in the future.
@@bambi882 but a GM level player isn't going to learn anything playing a new character is Bronze lobbies, be for real. Defending this stupid excuse is wild.
@@ninurak3543The issue is a GM tank player cannot just learn supp or dps by picking them in a GM game or they’re going to hard throw. I’ve run into this issue myself and so I made a smurf to climb while learning dps characters. That account is now diamond, because I’m good enough to be in diamond lobbies playing dps but if I brought my BP into GM I’d feed hard. Why should we throw high ranked games just to learn new characters it makes no sense. Yeah I had a few games where I stomped in silver but that’s mainly an issue of the game not having placements or hidden MMR.
Maybe with a Hela/Hawkye that have god aim as long as the other team doen't react fast enough. In lower ranks people like to trickle in and it snowballs quickly.
While climbing i had a bronze game where someone called me out saying its an objective based game, not kill based... they sat in the choke and didn't push up with me after i got a few picks, we lost without the team a single time on point, happy to quickly have gotten out of bronze lmao
People underestimate the skill of people in Bronze IMO, his team wasn’t a lol bad, his supports were actually decent and ulting at the right times too, the lower ranks are more dependent on your DPS players than anything else whoever has the better DPS players will win typically. And the winning team will never have a Bronze DPS, they are typically Plat or higher skill level just still in Bronze atm.
I love how at 5:23 he says out loud "can't die here," then solo jumps the enemy team and loses and blames team cause they were respawning. Just shows at any rank people will frequently blame others for their mistakes. Like my brother you are GM playing bronze--every mistake is your mistake or at least thats the decent attitude to have smurfing.
@Breadcrumbs593 I mean 3 people don't just sit at spawn for no reason, unless they are intentionally throwing which it doesnt seem like this team is doing. You can see when he devolved to Bruce, 3 of them moving toward point with a Luna ult. He should have just waited the extra 5 seconds and fought as a group. But instead he jumped in, got melted, then blamed a bunch of bronzies for sitting at spawn? Doesnt make sense
This vid is so validating 😂 im SOOO sick of ppl saying if you cant rank out of bronze/silver its 100% your fault. That is the biggest bs ive ever heard it is so insanely rng dependent. Ive made it to gold once and instantly had a 5 loss streak and it was done from there lol back to silver. And trust me i do every possible thing to mitigate bad teamates. I mainly tank or heal and im great at the characters i play. Always the least deaths of the team consistently. most heals, most tanked. Nothing matters, as a solo que its just rng. Every person that just so happened to get out thinks they're soo good when in reality a lot of you got lucky. U cant convince me otherwise. And theres no advice you could give me to rank up that i haven't tried already😂
You know just playing is net positive, right? You can lose more than you win and you'll rank up beyond gold. There's only one factor in common between all your games, and that's the single factor you can fix. tbf, bronze~gold CAN and WILL be a rng fest (bronze is just dumb, silver and above is more tolerable), so you can get a streak of bad teams and get unlucky fights, but you should still be ranking up as long as you play. Remember, it's net positive. Each win you gain way more than you lose in a game lost.
A video I would like to see is something showing how to evaluate how your team did. I see a lot of videos saying if you’re not advancing in bronze or silver it’s because you’re not hard carrying your team and it doesn’t matter if you have 4 or 5 instalock dps toons nearly every time since the only constant is you. I ask because I do get discouraged.
Yeah it's tough sometimes. I usually just look at the scoreboard stats after a game and compare. They aren't always that important though, but if it's really lopsided I won't beat myself up over it.
Tbh the tanks job is to stand where he should be. Its the supports job to position around the tanks position. Its not the tanks job to keep visual on the healers. Its the tanks job to know where the enemy dps and enemy healers are at and make space to bully them out. Since the tank now knows where the enemy dps and healers are he knows where to stand to preasure the objective properly and make space for his healers to stand in the optimal spots to get protection when the enemy dps and healers (which hulk should be 100% uptime standing on top of) try and move past the tanks. Thats it. Period. People just like to get buggy and push fights or stand where they have no business standing and die for it.
@@larkohiyaIf you jump out of LoS with your movement skill, you will not be healed. You cannot assume your heals will always have LoS because you demand it.
As a cap main in bronze I am aware of my limitations therefore always ask for a second tank to make up for me when I inevitably mess up, easier said then done when there’s 5 other dps who get toxic the second you suggest anything other then their Insta locks
As a former League player, my strategy is to hover a dps like Iron Fist when you join a lobby, but then say "I'll tank if someone else does too" and 90% of the time you'll get a second tank. It works because people feel like they're getting 2 tanks for 1 value by swapping for the team. To you it's holding the lobby hostage, but to them it's just a good deal.
Peni is the only way to climb out of wood ranks as tank because people will literally just walk into your spider traps over and over again, anyone else and you're way too reliant on your team to do anything
on the Defense side, nobody was doing anything about the enemy Iron Man who was very clearly singling you out with his buffed up abilities from their Hulk.
I'm trying so hard to leave bronze and silver, but it's next to impossible when I have 4 people instalock duelist and go quintuple negative. I try carrying as tank, but I get a pick and push up to get our team some space as doctor strange. Just to realize nobody wants to push behind me and carry the momentum forward. Like what are you scared of? But then when I want to group up and get everyone together, they just go running in alone one by one. It's genuinely baffling. They play passive and aggressive at the worst times
Just started comp yesterday and got to bronze 1 so far. What I've seen is that there are usually 1 or 2 players on both teams who are clearly not supposed to be at that rank, and who wins comes down to the battle between those players. I've won pretty much every game so far besides the game when the enemy Psylock goes 35/2/0 while me on Psylocke was 20/5/10, and all my deaths was to that Psylocke and her only 2 deaths were when I killed her. There's lots of people still picking up this game and jumping into comp. It is not a fun place for actual low elo players cause Hero Shooter vets all gotta start from the bottom and stomp their way up
it is known that: you try to break a branch and you will succeed easily. If you try to break a bunch of branches in half, you will most likely not succeed... that's how it is in the game
Gee, why don't players like smurfs? Maybe because they dominate the lobby? Imagine playing pickup basketball and LeBron show up and just annihilates your whole team. Yeah sure is fun getting crushed. It's bullcrap it's even a thing, let alone all these hardcore nerds acting like it's fine. They laugh about it.
@@nerdicusdorkum2923 Touch grass. Your Mom isn't the only one that thinks your 12-hours a day gaming disease is pathetic, she's just the only human you interact with when she walks down to the basement and gives you sandwiches.
@@dungdefender8162 they really don't not if you're high GM Quick play is "for fun". Quicker games, people aren't trying as hard, less people locked in A bunch of stuff These players generally don't stay in low elo for long anyway
im usually a solo queue player in these games but for bronze up to diamond i would just add the most competent players and play with them im diamond 2 rn and my teams are usually a lot better when i solo queue now i would try that tbh
@@karambadodox Eh not too worried about it. May pickup another Vanguard seeing that 80 percent of my games have 4 DPS and Hulk can't solo tank well. We'll see how it goes.
This was painful to watch. I don't really go deep in the game but I have been playing these games for a while, and it is always people pushing way to deep into danger or everyone absolutely terrified to get into the fight, I have been telling my friends to not fight on the point but in front of it while defending and to stop splitting up like everyone is a flanker, it has not sunk in yet.
hulk throwing wolverine is basically giving wolverine a free SHift attack after the throw when u land u get the full on slash attack u can do so much torment together with a wolverine by ur side as hulk , u basically get to throw an angry knife at the enemy and dump shield on both of u while diving the back line , wolverine having that double combo is nuts
I have this exact experience every time!!!! I'm no grandmaster but MAN, when I try playing lower ranks no one ever picks healer or tank, so I feel the pressure, and then I get yelled at by my teammates (who are all DPS) for not being able to heal them. They're going into battle and dying 10 seconds later + not protecting me when they get into our backline. When I'm a tank I'm the only one pushing objective and no one is around and they yell at me for dying except they're doing absolutely nothing so...?
What you saw with everyone sat at base is the NUMBER 1 problem with so many players at low ELO. Often times I would say mechanically they're not the worst players, they know what they have to do, it's the time it takes to do things, to pop an ult, get to point, kill an enemy backline. Decision making is where it all falls apart. So often you go in and turn around and everyone is at base and you're like "guys, come on what is going on?? Get to the point!" How it exactly takes some players so long to do stuff is mindblowing. Aim etc is not the problem here, they can aim, it's just they don't know what to aim at, and going in as a team.
Im surprised the DPS numbers(besides iron man) were as close across both teams. Their dps were killing squish while your team just shot at the feet of their tanks.
My Current favorite characters to play is Magik and Hulk. Something about the slashing and bashing really gets me goin. What supports/strategists would ya’ll recommend to try and learn?
I have felt like this ever since overwatch went to the 5 stack. Makes it glorious when you win and aweful when you lose. Especially since everyone blames tank.
"I'm trying my hardest" from a grand master at the bronze rank while the team isn't winning is hilarious to me. Makes me not feel as bad about playing healing and tanks with a lot of knowledge but yet not being able to win in competitive much.
There's no justification for being a smurf. Doesn't matter if you don't do it to beat up low ranks, you still do. AND the majority of people who do it are doing it to beat up low ranks. This game NEEDS placements.
This is the biggest issue with MR right now. It's so out of our individual control, that we NEED a team to play. It's just not as fun as if we could soloqueue enjoyably too
Mostly solo q yes, I duo with my friends a little but they aren't the highest rank. Just use pings in game if you don't use mic, although I do use mic now
Alts/smurfs for the purpose of learning new characters is fine by me as long as you’re trying your hardest. Pretty quickly you will go up to where your skill with the character(s) you’re learning warrants. It’s only an issue if smurfs throw or play characters they’re top tier at.
I play spiderman (mostly with venom because i dont need it but it makes it easier to confirm kills before they heal) but healers and tanks make or break my match, and i see its similar with most characters like hulk, and im so glad to see someone else struggle because it confirms my knowledge that a team can make or break an individual.
As Gm spiderman main u probably either too deep or have slow combos that allow heal I would say go for quick pokes with the team until u find that perfect moment where u go all in at least that’s how I do it. Also u don’t have to insta kill denying supports of there time to heal allies or cds ( be it heals or stuns) will give ur team crazy momentum even in low ranks
Idk man... so as a good spiderman i think the last thing you should do is blame your team... in my eyes you seem to be that one guy who thinks hes the best bc u play a hard hero, then u go 3-10 and blame the supports for not healing u. You see as a spiderman who chills a lot in the enemy backline its impossible to heal you as support... furthermore dude you're super hard to hit... everything else than hitscan is useless. Even the best players wont hit a spiderman mid air everytime...so how do you expect your teammates to in low ranks huh? So you gotta take advantage of healthpacks and not your teammates... Everything you said just shows that you dont understand your character. So sry man but u cant always complain abt heals... its not how it works even tho everyone does. And i dont wanna say that u r a bad player but learning spiderman takes some time and if you dont have like 40 hrs + (if ur talented) on spiderman... well... than its completely your fault cuz you cant learn him in just a few minutes (thats the whole point of the hardest character in the game). So yes... it is your fault and not your teammates (even tho there can be some better and some worse).
@gawrgura3767 ok so your like entirely wrong. Sure I solo push but that's why I was supposed to die 5 times instead of 17 Furthermore, I do go in the air, 3 characters alone. Punisher. Winter soldier. And iron man. I take all the health packs in the vicinity and I usually go 6-1 on a bad round. I don't even try to make myself sound bad, it's because thee is LITERALLY ONE HEALER AND 4 DPS IN COMP. I am next to my healer as I die, and your whole point falls apart because I and my team need to stay on point whether it's push the cart or capture the point. I hit and dip. That is it. Spiderman (believe it or not) DEPENDS ON HIS TEAM. HIS CHARACTER SELECTION DEPENDS ON IT, IF SOMEONE DOESN'T GO VENOM YOUR USEFULNESS IS LIMITED DRAMATICALLY DUE TO LESS DAMAGE OUTPUT. you probably play quick play and are still in bronze III so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, but if one teammate doesn't do their job, it makes the whole teams job harder because it's 6 people vs 6 people. That's not a lot of people. Lastly, your whole point falls apart because I blamed mainly the TANKS not the HEALERS. tanks are supposed to distract the enemy while I go and pick off one of the healers or dps. I think YOU do not understand how to play spiderman and YOU don't help your team. You just pick off low health kills and claim them as your own. Nothing wrong with it but there is something wrong with LECTURING SOMEONE WHO MADE A GOOD CLAIM. Also it's mainly my game sense which I am aware of that gets me killed. Along with your "sUpEr HaRd To HiT sPiDeRmAn", I quite literally tagged and later killed a spiderman with scoped in black widow. I have 3 hours or less on her.
Honestly had a harder time leveling in bronze and silver that I did in gold and beyond. Bronze and Silver players, don't push the objective, don't kill healers, don't play with the team. So frustrating
Ranked was a painful experience for me when i was bronze as Venom as i would have to carry a dead team with only mw as a tank and no healers or no good healers. I only got to bronze because i played Adam Warlock and made the tank just never die and have around 18,000 which is alright. I was able to get to platinum and finally be able to play Venom safely without a completely garbage team
Eh, hulk can be great in low ranks. Just pretend you're that varros gangster in San Andreas. "Chase me, chase me!" Shoulda chased that Magik back to her spawn and started running in circles as soon as another one showed up. Also, why'd you throw wolverine into the dog house at 9:30?
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I did it again, but in Silver: ruclips.net/video/6_xZjwu9P3w/видео.html
No matter how good you are as tank, if your backline's dead, there's no way you can win.
This is why a teammate is important, especially a DPS you can depend on to dish out damage or peel.
Yeah it's stressful
Peni can solo bronze and silver...until you get smurfs
100% this, the problem is low rank players all think its the tanks job to peel for healers. They think hulk is supposed to turn around and leap into the allied backline to save everyone. Which he can help when the timing lines up, but he can't kill a dps fast enough to keep them from bursting down a healer.
@@bobbyblazini yeah cuz people are really fucking bad. even in gold and still in plat it works relatively commonly as long as youre on defense.
Well its in your head that, I climbed to plat without mate as tank. Ye you lose some games but still win most of it. In bronze, bad players are in your team but also in foe team
I just don’t understand how in Bronze your team is always awful & the enemy team is god tier.
I feel like it comes down to character choices a lot. Everybody in the lobby can be equal in skill but it doesnt matter if 5/6 of your teammates instalock dps while the other team has even one vanguard and one strategist. Lower level players absolutely refuse to play anything that isn't dps most of the time. I end up having to play magneto and strange most of the time even though Iron Man is my favorite character because everybody wants to instantly lock Spiderman or Star Lord or something even if there's 2 dps already.
I'm a plat Overwatch player and started playing today, I'm like 1 win away from silver now and been doing ok on magneto. Think more dpsy tanks can carry a bit better in bronze? But like in one game I had to switch to punished cos my team was doing absolutely nothing lol and won, like its so much easier to carry as a dps than a tank.
@@RobBlu-d6u I got flamed for telling one guy to get of spiderman in comp cos they weren't doing anyting lol and our healers complained that they were getting iron fisted and no one was helping. A lot of people just tunnel vision towards the objective but usually there are 2 supports and 1 tank, though I usually play that tank.
Yeah quick play lobbies are probably worse.
Rng gods demand blood sacrifice if you're a solo que player. 😢
This is good. It's important to show people with the outlandish notion that climbing is solely dependent on your own skills that in reality, one person can only do so much.
A gm dps player can pretty much carry a bronze/silver lobby by virtue of being able to 100-0 high value targets. Tanking can really suck in low rank specifically because you have a much larger hitbox and you will get hard focused because theor stormtrooper dps literally cant aim well enough to hit anything that isnt you. Even if you somehow survive tank d-day and get into their backline you lack kill potebtial on tank and just get fucked over if supports heal each other.
The idea of being able to carry low ranks isnt entirely false but is mostly relegated to dps.
As usual people will interpret anything they can to mean its not their fault they're in low ranks. He said a few times that Hulk is not the character to solo carry because he's team dependent, and if he wanted to try for a win he would be playing a different character.
If your excuse for being stuck is that you're insisting on playing team dependent characters in the least reliable team setting, as he did for the sake of one video, it is still entirely your fault you're stuck. This game is easily carryable on multiple other characters, and not just DPS ones.
You can't win every game and everyone gets bad teammates but if you are a better player you will climb over time. Climbing is still skill dependent.
It is not an outlandish notion it is the reality, there is no elo where you can win 100% of the games. But as long as you deserve a higher rank you will win more than 50% of your games which will let u climb
Bronze is harder to win in than GM
Make a video comparison then 😊
Facts
I absolutely agree. I got to GM with hulk/wolverine and made a new acct and went in with just hulk and Bro; it was unbelievable how many games I had where no one would play tank and maybe one person would run support unless I was lucky. I would be diving in to kill supports and then just be setting there trying to 1v5, bubbling out and basically having to beg for heals lol. It’s just crazy how many low Elo players just play dps and don’t do anything. Most games I was always the highest damage with hawkeye, starlord, Hela and punisher on my teams. Like wtf. After a certain point there were certain games I would just sit in spawn the last few min so we could just lose faster. Like I know people are learning the game and such but I swear people really just feed half the time. I had a couple teams that literally staggered the entire game, just each walking in one by one and just dying after I spammed to fall back and group up in the chat lol. At a certain point I’m just like even if I have my best game ever this game is unwinnable.
That is copium. Well, it depends on the hero. Hulk and Wolverine are much better at higher ranks than lower ranks.
It’s not
What makes me so mad about bronze is how 1 game youll toast the enemy and the the VERY NEXT ROUND your team gets obliterated as if they all fell asleep. Its crazyyyy
Every rank is like this to a degree
Glad to see even GM hulk struggle when the team fails to support them. I just hit plat almost only one tricking hulk and it’s crazy how I can go 23-2 one game and then 5-7 the next. Being forced to solo tank as hulk is especially bad in my experience
Agreed, tanks, particularly hulk, is very team dependent.
you have to change your playstyle literally every game its tough!
Tbf, Hulk is one of the worst solo tanks, he would have probably done better on a magneto.
If you have a bad healer. You can't play aggressive. And then, lose
Solo tank as Hulk is rough.
In GM lobbies I notice they give up the first point and wait to hold further back. In lower ranks, teams will spawn camp right from the beginning if they can.
Safer geometry further back. staying in the open with nowhere to run is a sure way to lose first fight.
And that's exactly why people lose.
You can easily hold for like 80% of the time meanwhile people go in spawn, die then theh push the first objective for free and maintain momentum and you end up halfway through the second objective before you get into the typical stale mate trading damage.
Spawn camping is a fight you will eventually lose simply because of numbers as they can get back far quicker than your team. They'll charge their ults and spam them which will net maybe 3-4 kills usually at least the supports then the fight is lost. If you set up further back you make them have to come from their spawn and go around a corner into a very dangerous choke to get you away from the cart and you can more easily control the high ground. If you stand outside spawn you're right in the open with no cover and can easily be surrounded from high ground.
Any sort of gaming experience in these games will teach you that the defending team chooses where the fight happens and you get to pick the most advantageous.
Dude I just started comp today, my teams keep just going to the enemy spawn and dying at the start of the game for some reason, I don't get how basic tactics go above peoples heads who play comp.
@@Kuroganemk2 If your whole team is there you can keep them near the spawn and off point for a long time.
You cant ignore nests and rely on your allies to get them on low elo, no one will shoot them down even if they’re out in the open.
I HATE PENNI
Same bro @@CaptainCoach
As someone who is diamond 1 they still wont shoot the nest even if you ask them to
What's is a nest?
@@froghermit9852 A penni spider nest, the thing that spawns exploding spiders
I feel like Hulk deserves self regeneration considering his canon is top 10 healing factor in the MCU
I feel like wolverine should get a healing factor first
That would make him way too op.
@cryptic7844 he alrdy gets almost 2 full health bars from his abilities. He doesn't need healing too.
NOPE ,he needs to get a damage buff for every damage he takes in as hulk because hulk gets stronger the more damage he takes
If they do that they could just tie it into his shield ability.
love this style of video. i’ve been mainly playing hulk so i would love more videos explaining ur thought process throughout the game even in higher ranks
I think I'm going to make one for every rank
@@CaptainCoach Hell yeah please do!
This is why I stick to Magneto mostly. So stressful trying to do your job on Hulk when you have to babysit the team
@@quinton5123 I also play Magneto when Hulk is a bad pick
I just can’t get out of Bronze. Half the time my team is just screwing around on the other side of the map while I and maybe one or two others have to focus on the objective.
It’s painful to play solo.
What helped me is playing support. Maybe try cloak and dagger for a good an easy transition
Go rocket and never look back
If you have a good partner a good healer and good DPS can carry in Bronze, almost impossible solo but definitely possible with a Duo.
Loki no one targets the clones In low ranks which allows you to deal massive damage and healing. Plus at low ranks being able to use other people ults for much needed damage is really good
Its not that tough as long as you have any third person shooter fundamentals, or hero shooter fundamentals.
Undeniably, it is tougher to carry in this more team centric game, but you will sway the odd more in your teams favour if you are good enough.
yep. The unpredictability of the teammates and opps in low rank is hilarious
This video makes me feel better about myself that even amazing players get screwed left and right in Bronze due to teammates. It's a universal experience
The people that scare me the most in bronze are the ones that have been playing quick match for like 200 hours and decide to try ranked
As a professional bronze player, I didn't realize just how great the skill gap between bronze and GM is. It's kinda crazy
Fun fact u can play quick match if you wanna learn a character instead of smurfing
yeah that was straight copium on his part lol
Funner fact people don't try remotely as hard to win and play the game properly in quick play (Players insta locking 6 dps every other game), so you aren't getting any real practice. This problem is universal in every competitive game especially ftp ones, That's why games add placements to them to lessen the abuse on new players by helping boost smurf's to their real ranks which they want so they can actually get real practice, I am surprised this game does not have but I hope gets added in the future.
Yea that made no sense fr
@@bambi882 but a GM level player isn't going to learn anything playing a new character is Bronze lobbies, be for real. Defending this stupid excuse is wild.
@@ninurak3543The issue is a GM tank player cannot just learn supp or dps by picking them in a GM game or they’re going to hard throw. I’ve run into this issue myself and so I made a smurf to climb while learning dps characters. That account is now diamond, because I’m good enough to be in diamond lobbies playing dps but if I brought my BP into GM I’d feed hard. Why should we throw high ranked games just to learn new characters it makes no sense. Yeah I had a few games where I stomped in silver but that’s mainly an issue of the game not having placements or hidden MMR.
No matter how good you are, You can't carry a team full of bums.
100%. I got so fed up the other day I literally told the team to stay in spawn so we can lose faster
Maybe with a Hela/Hawkye that have god aim as long as the other team doen't react fast enough. In lower ranks people like to trickle in and it snowballs quickly.
@@mcgarner1992 Theres a surrender option for ranked
Maybe not on hulk, but if you can click heads on hela, its tough to lose.
While climbing i had a bronze game where someone called me out saying its an objective based game, not kill based... they sat in the choke and didn't push up with me after i got a few picks, we lost without the team a single time on point, happy to quickly have gotten out of bronze lmao
People underestimate the skill of people in Bronze IMO, his team wasn’t a lol bad, his supports were actually decent and ulting at the right times too, the lower ranks are more dependent on your DPS players than anything else whoever has the better DPS players will win typically. And the winning team will never have a Bronze DPS, they are typically Plat or higher skill level just still in Bronze atm.
I agree, it's just the variance between player skill is the highest in Bronze, especially early into a games lifespan like Marvel Rivals.
It doesn't matter who you are or what you did or what the match turned out to be. Smurfing is disgusting.
I love how at 5:23 he says out loud "can't die here," then solo jumps the enemy team and loses and blames team cause they were respawning. Just shows at any rank people will frequently blame others for their mistakes. Like my brother you are GM playing bronze--every mistake is your mistake or at least thats the decent attitude to have smurfing.
Bro half the team was there already when he was attacking the psylocke, he was right they just weren’t pushing
@Breadcrumbs593 I mean 3 people don't just sit at spawn for no reason, unless they are intentionally throwing which it doesnt seem like this team is doing. You can see when he devolved to Bruce, 3 of them moving toward point with a Luna ult. He should have just waited the extra 5 seconds and fought as a group. But instead he jumped in, got melted, then blamed a bunch of bronzies for sitting at spawn? Doesnt make sense
what’s your rank just curios
@kryptian6109 just got to plat 3 on a 12 game win streak :) I imagine I'll end up in diamond somewhere
@@boatdeasonyou also forget. They are bronze for a reason
This vid is so validating 😂 im SOOO sick of ppl saying if you cant rank out of bronze/silver its 100% your fault. That is the biggest bs ive ever heard it is so insanely rng dependent. Ive made it to gold once and instantly had a 5 loss streak and it was done from there lol back to silver. And trust me i do every possible thing to mitigate bad teamates. I mainly tank or heal and im great at the characters i play. Always the least deaths of the team consistently. most heals, most tanked. Nothing matters, as a solo que its just rng. Every person that just so happened to get out thinks they're soo good when in reality a lot of you got lucky. U cant convince me otherwise. And theres no advice you could give me to rank up that i haven't tried already😂
You know just playing is net positive, right?
You can lose more than you win and you'll rank up beyond gold.
There's only one factor in common between all your games, and that's the single factor you can fix.
tbf, bronze~gold CAN and WILL be a rng fest (bronze is just dumb, silver and above is more tolerable), so you can get a streak of bad teams and get unlucky fights, but you should still be ranking up as long as you play. Remember, it's net positive. Each win you gain way more than you lose in a game lost.
What I learned from this video: The Green Machine’s maximum carry capacity is dependent upon the competence of those on board… 😂 great video coach!
Having trouble in bronze because of the smurfs😊
"Who's on point?"
Not your team, never your team.
One game I win by a landslide then I lose a close then I lose by a landslide. Repeat repeat, my solo grind in a nutshell
A video I would like to see is something showing how to evaluate how your team did. I see a lot of videos saying if you’re not advancing in bronze or silver it’s because you’re not hard carrying your team and it doesn’t matter if you have 4 or 5 instalock dps toons nearly every time since the only constant is you. I ask because I do get discouraged.
Yeah it's tough sometimes. I usually just look at the scoreboard stats after a game and compare. They aren't always that important though, but if it's really lopsided I won't beat myself up over it.
How do you two hulk main keep track of your team? I wish we had team portraits or could paint a single ally shadow line through walls- like yellow .
@@BlakedaBull look back a lot lol
Tbh the tanks job is to stand where he should be. Its the supports job to position around the tanks position. Its not the tanks job to keep visual on the healers.
Its the tanks job to know where the enemy dps and enemy healers are at and make space to bully them out.
Since the tank now knows where the enemy dps and healers are he knows where to stand to preasure the objective properly and make space for his healers to stand in the optimal spots to get protection when the enemy dps and healers (which hulk should be 100% uptime standing on top of) try and move past the tanks.
Thats it. Period. People just like to get buggy and push fights or stand where they have no business standing and die for it.
@@larkohiyaIf you jump out of LoS with your movement skill, you will not be healed.
You cannot assume your heals will always have LoS because you demand it.
As a cap main in bronze I am aware of my limitations therefore always ask for a second tank to make up for me when I inevitably mess up, easier said then done when there’s 5 other dps who get toxic the second you suggest anything other then their Insta locks
As a former League player, my strategy is to hover a dps like Iron Fist when you join a lobby, but then say "I'll tank if someone else does too" and 90% of the time you'll get a second tank. It works because people feel like they're getting 2 tanks for 1 value by swapping for the team. To you it's holding the lobby hostage, but to them it's just a good deal.
@ honestly this might be the best advice I could receive rn I’ll try it out and see how it goes!!
Honestly I am hardly even on the frontline as cap ever. He barely counts as a tank when what he's good at is running down the healers and backliners.
@@sheepisfortheweak6164 yea that’s what I do with him, it’s just more annoying when you’re the only tank
Peni is the only way to climb out of wood ranks as tank because people will literally just walk into your spider traps over and over again, anyone else and you're way too reliant on your team to do anything
Great vid, enjoyed the commentary and insights during your gameplay. Do you hold or click spacebar to jump? And why?
Thanks! I hold. Toggle doesn't let you cancel your jump when you need to (you do this by binding jump to a second key)
15:30 I'm convinced that groots either are absolutely cracked or hot dog water in this game no in-between
The commentary makes this alot more fun to watch
the daily struggles of a common man is getting to you 😔✊
dang ur playing hulk in the terrifying way
"Guys, I'm totally doing this for the science"
Ive climbed to gold 3 with hulk and ive learned a lot from this one game. Thank you.
no problem dude
on the Defense side, nobody was doing anything about the enemy Iron Man who was very clearly singling you out with his buffed up abilities from their Hulk.
I'm trying so hard to leave bronze and silver, but it's next to impossible when I have 4 people instalock duelist and go quintuple negative. I try carrying as tank, but I get a pick and push up to get our team some space as doctor strange. Just to realize nobody wants to push behind me and carry the momentum forward. Like what are you scared of? But then when I want to group up and get everyone together, they just go running in alone one by one. It's genuinely baffling. They play passive and aggressive at the worst times
Just started comp yesterday and got to bronze 1 so far. What I've seen is that there are usually 1 or 2 players on both teams who are clearly not supposed to be at that rank, and who wins comes down to the battle between those players. I've won pretty much every game so far besides the game when the enemy Psylock goes 35/2/0 while me on Psylocke was 20/5/10, and all my deaths was to that Psylocke and her only 2 deaths were when I killed her. There's lots of people still picking up this game and jumping into comp. It is not a fun place for actual low elo players cause Hero Shooter vets all gotta start from the bottom and stomp their way up
That Wolverine was like "Baby want up up" every 15 seconds lmaoooo
it is known that: you try to break a branch and you will succeed easily. If you try to break a bunch of branches in half, you will most likely not succeed... that's how it is in the game
used Black Panther to get into silver and then Hulk to get to plat. For now I'm plat with 32 wins and something like 54 games.
Honestly, really good strategy. I wouldn't rec Hulk for climbing until probably Plat if you can play other Heroes.
@CaptainCoach it is a good strategy aside from the fact no one wants to flex to tank in lower ranks (sad)
@@ZukiRussy Then can use Thor. Thor can solo tank pretty easily from bronze to Plat ime.
i watched this entire video and did not notice the tiny man in the bottom right corner of my phone
Thumbnail so funny I clicked before even realizing it was you pleasant suprise :D
Gee, why don't players like smurfs? Maybe because they dominate the lobby? Imagine playing pickup basketball and LeBron show up and just annihilates your whole team. Yeah sure is fun getting crushed.
It's bullcrap it's even a thing, let alone all these hardcore nerds acting like it's fine. They laugh about it.
Git gud. Take that stomping as a learning opportunity.
@@nerdicusdorkum2923 Touch grass. Your Mom isn't the only one that thinks your 12-hours a day gaming disease is pathetic, she's just the only human you interact with when she walks down to the basement and gives you sandwiches.
I don’t get why he says, “I’m doing it to practice” like quick play isn’t a thing? People play it like comp anyway
Ah yes... Dominate the lobby... By losing.
...Or did you skip that part of the video?
@@dungdefender8162 they really don't
not if you're high GM
Quick play is "for fun". Quicker games, people aren't trying as hard, less people locked in
A bunch of stuff
These players generally don't stay in low elo for long anyway
I can't get out!!!!! It's rough out here
Elo hell
im usually a solo queue player in these games but for bronze up to diamond i would just add the most competent players and play with them im diamond 2 rn and my teams are usually a lot better when i solo queue now i would try that tbh
bad news: you belong there. There are always unwinnable games but if you can't get out... yeah.
@@karambadodox Eh not too worried about it. May pickup another Vanguard seeing that 80 percent of my games have 4 DPS and Hulk can't solo tank well. We'll see how it goes.
@P3rtzel thanks for the advice. I definitely need to find some folks to play with.
This shows no matter how good you are, there will be someone holding you back and making it impossible to win
That punisher just sittin back in the nosebleeds never pushing 🎉
This was painful to watch. I don't really go deep in the game but I have been playing these games for a while, and it is always people pushing way to deep into danger or everyone absolutely terrified to get into the fight, I have been telling my friends to not fight on the point but in front of it while defending and to stop splitting up like everyone is a flanker, it has not sunk in yet.
I played nothing but Hulk to gold in just over 3 hours, I had at least 1 other competent person on my team usually, went 80% wr
very useful commentary! would love to see more for Hulk and any others
tysm!
hulk throwing wolverine is basically giving wolverine a free SHift attack after the throw when u land u get the full on slash attack u can do so much torment together with a wolverine by ur side as hulk , u basically get to throw an angry knife at the enemy and dump shield on both of u while diving the back line , wolverine having that double combo is nuts
I like those Kind of videos because they CAN Show the difference between ranks. But with such Videos its no wonder why the game is ruled by smurfs
low elo got me fighting for my life and im crawling elo by elo
I have this exact experience every time!!!! I'm no grandmaster but MAN, when I try playing lower ranks no one ever picks healer or tank, so I feel the pressure, and then I get yelled at by my teammates (who are all DPS) for not being able to heal them. They're going into battle and dying 10 seconds later + not protecting me when they get into our backline. When I'm a tank I'm the only one pushing objective and no one is around and they yell at me for dying except they're doing absolutely nothing so...?
Banners gun is very underated
What you saw with everyone sat at base is the NUMBER 1 problem with so many players at low ELO. Often times I would say mechanically they're not the worst players, they know what they have to do, it's the time it takes to do things, to pop an ult, get to point, kill an enemy backline. Decision making is where it all falls apart.
So often you go in and turn around and everyone is at base and you're like "guys, come on what is going on?? Get to the point!" How it exactly takes some players so long to do stuff is mindblowing.
Aim etc is not the problem here, they can aim, it's just they don't know what to aim at, and going in as a team.
great video! earned my sub and makes me wanna learn hulk more. haha
Do ittt, I'm addicted to him
Easier way to get through low ranks is, Hawkeye, Namor or hela, even then good luck.
Im surprised the DPS numbers(besides iron man) were as close across both teams. Their dps were killing squish while your team just shot at the feet of their tanks.
I knew you played league, you called the heroes champs and spawn fountain 😂
Pretty sure no one can carry alone in this game, maybe dps.
Finally a yt for rivals I can watch
My Current favorite characters to play is Magik and Hulk. Something about the slashing and bashing really gets me goin.
What supports/strategists would ya’ll recommend to try and learn?
I have felt like this ever since overwatch went to the 5 stack. Makes it glorious when you win and aweful when you lose. Especially since everyone blames tank.
"I'm trying my hardest" from a grand master at the bronze rank while the team isn't winning is hilarious to me. Makes me not feel as bad about playing healing and tanks with a lot of knowledge but yet not being able to win in competitive much.
11:17 It is helpful. Even seemingly stupid tips like body-blocking that may seem obvious, yet it never crossed my mind.
Getting out of bronze is harder than anything I’ve ever done. My team is actively working against me
Do you go for Iron Man with your jump? Ever since I did it for the first time its become a bad habit/addiction lol
All the time but I'm still figuring out the right angles to be consistent with it, it's tough.
The Wolverine at the end there was definitely using a controller too haha.
This is why you just play hela to get out of low ranks lmao
Or Hawkeye fr.
the struggles of bronze lol, im glad I got out of bronze fairly quickly
This is how I feel maining hulk
There's no justification for being a smurf. Doesn't matter if you don't do it to beat up low ranks, you still do. AND the majority of people who do it are doing it to beat up low ranks. This game NEEDS placements.
hey i love the vid and was wondering if u would make a vid like this on bp hes been my main but would love some advice!!
Thanks. I've been getting a lot of different champion requests. I have a lot of content for the characters I play planned, but I'll keep this in mind!
Do you have any videos on how to improve for hulk, I main hulk but I'm kinda bad at him
This is the biggest issue with MR right now. It's so out of our individual control, that we NEED a team to play. It's just not as fun as if we could soloqueue enjoyably too
My favourite moment as hulk
Is getting called trash with no healer
How got to GM without mic and was it solo queue ?
Mostly solo q yes, I duo with my friends a little but they aren't the highest rank. Just use pings in game if you don't use mic, although I do use mic now
I made it to plat with no mic solo Q mainly played support and tank.
@Gtube3838 nice 👌
Captain Coach looks like a Tier 1 Bruce Banner xD
Alts/smurfs for the purpose of learning new characters is fine by me as long as you’re trying your hardest. Pretty quickly you will go up to where your skill with the character(s) you’re learning warrants. It’s only an issue if smurfs throw or play characters they’re top tier at.
Some guy yesterday told me
Its easier to carry as tank
I was laughing internally (coz hela and hawkeye exist in enemy team)
I made a Smurf for bp and when I tell you nobody listens to you to get in healer or tank it's crazy
I play spiderman (mostly with venom because i dont need it but it makes it easier to confirm kills before they heal) but healers and tanks make or break my match, and i see its similar with most characters like hulk, and im so glad to see someone else struggle because it confirms my knowledge that a team can make or break an individual.
As Gm spiderman main u probably either too deep or have slow combos that allow heal I would say go for quick pokes with the team until u find that perfect moment where u go all in at least that’s how I do it.
Also u don’t have to insta kill denying supports of there time to heal allies or cds ( be it heals or stuns) will give ur team crazy momentum even in low ranks
U got this man hope it helps ❤
Idk man... so as a good spiderman i think the last thing you should do is blame your team... in my eyes you seem to be that one guy who thinks hes the best bc u play a hard hero, then u go 3-10 and blame the supports for not healing u. You see as a spiderman who chills a lot in the enemy backline its impossible to heal you as support... furthermore dude you're super hard to hit... everything else than hitscan is useless. Even the best players wont hit a spiderman mid air everytime...so how do you expect your teammates to in low ranks huh? So you gotta take advantage of healthpacks and not your teammates... Everything you said just shows that you dont understand your character. So sry man but u cant always complain abt heals... its not how it works even tho everyone does. And i dont wanna say that u r a bad player but learning spiderman takes some time and if you dont have like 40 hrs + (if ur talented) on spiderman... well... than its completely your fault cuz you cant learn him in just a few minutes (thats the whole point of the hardest character in the game). So yes... it is your fault and not your teammates (even tho there can be some better and some worse).
@gawrgura3767 ok so your like entirely wrong.
Sure I solo push but that's why I was supposed to die 5 times instead of 17
Furthermore, I do go in the air, 3 characters alone. Punisher. Winter soldier. And iron man. I take all the health packs in the vicinity and I usually go 6-1 on a bad round. I don't even try to make myself sound bad, it's because thee is LITERALLY ONE HEALER AND 4 DPS IN COMP. I am next to my healer as I die, and your whole point falls apart because I and my team need to stay on point whether it's push the cart or capture the point. I hit and dip. That is it. Spiderman (believe it or not) DEPENDS ON HIS TEAM. HIS CHARACTER SELECTION DEPENDS ON IT, IF SOMEONE DOESN'T GO VENOM YOUR USEFULNESS IS LIMITED DRAMATICALLY DUE TO LESS DAMAGE OUTPUT. you probably play quick play and are still in bronze III so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, but if one teammate doesn't do their job, it makes the whole teams job harder because it's 6 people vs 6 people. That's not a lot of people.
Lastly, your whole point falls apart because I blamed mainly the TANKS not the HEALERS. tanks are supposed to distract the enemy while I go and pick off one of the healers or dps. I think YOU do not understand how to play spiderman and YOU don't help your team. You just pick off low health kills and claim them as your own. Nothing wrong with it but there is something wrong with LECTURING SOMEONE WHO MADE A GOOD CLAIM. Also it's mainly my game sense which I am aware of that gets me killed. Along with your "sUpEr HaRd To HiT sPiDeRmAn", I quite literally tagged and later killed a spiderman with scoped in black widow. I have 3 hours or less on her.
@justaguy-m2o Im assuming your saying that you had one healer 4 dps making a bad comp but your also apart of the dps that can swap
Many thanks for the strategic commentary.
someone stalling point and the wolverine just wants uppies man
ong most of these people don't even know what the objective is
I still get games like this in high plat low diamond. Its wild.
bro just wanted to be thrown so bad 😂
Honestly had a harder time leveling in bronze and silver that I did in gold and beyond. Bronze and Silver players, don't push the objective, don't kill healers, don't play with the team. So frustrating
Is he holding space bar or does he have some kind of toggle that holds jump.
Holding space imo like that got to be uncomfortable
hold
Ranked was a painful experience for me when i was bronze as Venom as i would have to carry a dead team with only mw as a tank and no healers or no good healers. I only got to bronze because i played Adam Warlock and made the tank just never die and have around 18,000 which is alright. I was able to get to platinum and finally be able to play Venom safely without a completely garbage team
Did you find a way to copy the (hero)settings of your main acc or did you manually configure them again?
I did it manually, but I'm sure there's a way to swap your config files over
Why is your hulk hump always max loaded straight after doing one? Takes me like 2/3 seconds for it to charge up
You can start holding space beforehand as the first jump touches ground again.
4:13 living on literally 2 hp is wild
This is so cringe. Smurfing is so scummy
Yeah yeah just put the fries in the bag dude
Eh, hulk can be great in low ranks.
Just pretend you're that varros gangster in San Andreas.
"Chase me, chase me!"
Shoulda chased that Magik back to her spawn and started running in circles as soon as another one showed up.
Also, why'd you throw wolverine into the dog house at 9:30?
"Uppies! Uppies!" Ass Wolverine.😂