I'd like to show this to the people who've recommended I do Starting Strength after over two years of consistent lifting with good programming and diet because I'm 'nowhere near intermediate numbers'.
@@axeloverstad7383 current calculated 1RMs are 161lb bench, 205lb squat and 275lb deadlift at a bodyweight of 180lb (I'm 6'1" and have slowly bulked up from 155lb). I've been lifting consistently for over 3.5 years now (started at age 34, currently 38) and am in the high teen bodyfat percentage.
@@mariomoreno3565 I did a similar program for my first six months of lifting and stalled at 120lb bench and 145lb squat. Built back up and stalled at the same numbers again, despite bulking. I only started to progress again when I switched to intermediate programming with higher volume and slower progression. I'm just an intermediate at lower numbers than most - which is the entire point of this video.
This reality is insane. We could workout at the same consistency and intensity but 3 months in I'm lifting a whole plate more than you and its technically statistically within normal ranges.
that is because commonly used execises for measuring strength actually poor choice for such purpose which lead to high variability. Bench presses/squats/deadlifts results highly depends on body proportions, limbs length , large component of skill and technique involved, neural adaptation, etc.
I would add that self-selection bias and survivorship bias significantly impact the strength/muscle-building community's views on how genetics influence response to training. I like working out and reading about it, especially Nuckols' articles on biomechanics, genetics, training methods, and hypertrophy. But as someone who doesn't respond that well to training, it's hard to find anyone to share these things with in the gym. It would be interesting if DNA/blood testing would in the future allow someone to see roughly what their potential (rate of) gains are. Androgen receptor density, hormone levels, shoulder width, and joint thickness are things that can already be measured, but it would be nice to have more data to make more accurate predictions.
I watched another podcast on this channel where the results of low reps vs high reps on average had the same gains but when you look at individuals some had no response to one and great response to another. So my question is did the people who were not hypertrophy responders increase strength and the hypertrophy responders, did they actually achieve proportionate strength gain. I see very strong athletes that don't look like they lift and people who are swole and not as strong as you would expect for their size.
True, in one part greg mentions he did a poll where the average squat for his male audience after 6 months - 1 year of training was 330lbs/150kg. 330lbs at what bodyweight? If a 140lbs dude is squatting 330lbs after only a year of training then I'd say they're doing very good and are probably a great responder, however if it's a 250lbs guy we're talking about then they are probably on the less responsive side.
27:00 about "higher similarity between family members strongly suggests genetic influence": How do you confront the reasonable hypothesis that behavioral similarities explain the differences? Nutritional behavior, for example, could play a huge role.
Accept it and enjoy process, don't pursue your imagined perfect physique. I'm serious. Life is much more enjoyable then, you can everything, you don't have to anything 😉
@@Damian_Materowski I'm really happy with my genetics. As a naturally skinny guy, I assumed I had rock bottom potential. That wasn't the case. I passed my lifetime goal (of not being clinically underweight anymore) during my first three months of bulking up. It's not that I think my physique is "perfect," it's just that I'm surprised that I made it this far. As someone who coaches a bunch of clients, though, every once in a while, there will be someone who's doing everything right-training consistently and hard, tracking every calorie, living the perfect lifestyle-who has a really hard time making noticeable progress. We've always found a way to get them results they're satisfied with, but it'd be nice to learn how to do it even better. After last week's episode, maybe experimenting with different rep ranges is one way to do it. Right now we use a shotgun approach of using a variety of rep ranges. Maybe we can do better than that. Maybe there are methods I haven't thought of at all.
@@brianbadonde8700 That's like a short person seeing how tall an NBA player is and giving up on all sports forever. Or someone whose parents died of heart disease at an early age giving up on eating a good diet. Or someone who's bad at school dropping out. I think that advice could hurt a lot of people.
I wonder if I'd get a lot of hate if I just wore a t-shirt that said "Good enough genetics." Average people are able to achieve a lot, but in doing so they'll cease to be average. The potential is there.
This is an ideal topic for Greg. Greg is strong as hell, but you would never think so looking at him. His muscularity level differs greatly from his strength level.
Greg is definitely muscular, I remember reading one of his articles when he said he once got to 251 before a meet. Not saying the guy isn't insanely strong, but he definitely has muscle mass supporting his strength.
@@juangarese6203 I'm sure he does. He just doesn't look very muscular. He's one of those guys you would look at and seriously underestimate his strength based on his build and appearance. I've watched Greg for years now, he's one of these least muscular looking powerlifters I've watched. If powerlifting or athletics allowed someone to hustle like Woody Harrelson in "White Men Can't Jump", Greg could take a lot of money off people who did not believe he could lift what he lifts or be as athletic as he is.
Did they also factor in height in the srudy because the taller you are the faster you can gain muscle because of bigger muscles while some guys that are smaller could get more gains relative to their height.
There are 8 billion people in the world. Just imagine the unknown 'freaks' out there. : ) Btw, lifting it self is an enjoyable journey, I wish I didn't have to rest. ;)
"And if you're watching on RUclips you can look at the screen"
Thanks for the tip Greg. I've been doing it wrong
I'd like to show this to the people who've recommended I do Starting Strength after over two years of consistent lifting with good programming and diet because I'm 'nowhere near intermediate numbers'.
What are your numbers?
@Jake Norman hahaha!
@@axeloverstad7383 current calculated 1RMs are 161lb bench, 205lb squat and 275lb deadlift at a bodyweight of 180lb (I'm 6'1" and have slowly bulked up from 155lb). I've been lifting consistently for over 3.5 years now (started at age 34, currently 38) and am in the high teen bodyfat percentage.
Dude trust me do it. It got my immaciated ass from 135lbs squat to 385lb and dead from 135lbs to 485lbs. And 140lb bw to 170lb. @6'3
@@mariomoreno3565 I did a similar program for my first six months of lifting and stalled at 120lb bench and 145lb squat. Built back up and stalled at the same numbers again, despite bulking. I only started to progress again when I switched to intermediate programming with higher volume and slower progression. I'm just an intermediate at lower numbers than most - which is the entire point of this video.
Did these studies account for weight gain/loss? would explain why some people had a decrease in muscle size/performance
This reality is insane. We could workout at the same consistency and intensity but 3 months in I'm lifting a whole plate more than you and its technically statistically within normal ranges.
More than who? Lol
that is because commonly used execises for measuring strength actually poor choice for such purpose which lead to high variability. Bench presses/squats/deadlifts results highly depends on body proportions, limbs length , large component of skill and technique involved, neural adaptation, etc.
I would add that self-selection bias and survivorship bias significantly impact the strength/muscle-building community's views on how genetics influence response to training. I like working out and reading about it, especially Nuckols' articles on biomechanics, genetics, training methods, and hypertrophy. But as someone who doesn't respond that well to training, it's hard to find anyone to share these things with in the gym. It would be interesting if DNA/blood testing would in the future allow someone to see roughly what their potential (rate of) gains are. Androgen receptor density, hormone levels, shoulder width, and joint thickness are things that can already be measured, but it would be nice to have more data to make more accurate predictions.
I watched another podcast on this channel where the results of low reps vs high reps on average had the same gains but when you look at individuals some had no response to one and great response to another. So my question is did the people who were not hypertrophy responders increase strength and the hypertrophy responders, did they actually achieve proportionate strength gain. I see very strong athletes that don't look like they lift and people who are swole and not as strong as you would expect for their size.
Those numbers are useless if not taking account the bodyweight. 300 pound novice will probably lift more than 140 pound novice.
True, in one part greg mentions he did a poll where the average squat for his male audience after 6 months - 1 year of training was 330lbs/150kg. 330lbs at what bodyweight? If a 140lbs dude is squatting 330lbs after only a year of training then I'd say they're doing very good and are probably a great responder, however if it's a 250lbs guy we're talking about then they are probably on the less responsive side.
27:00 about "higher similarity between family members strongly suggests genetic influence": How do you confront the reasonable hypothesis that behavioral similarities explain the differences? Nutritional behavior, for example, could play a huge role.
gregs physique update when
But where the part about what to do if you have bad genetics? It was mentioned in the intro but I don't see the section on it.
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Accept it and enjoy process, don't pursue your imagined perfect physique. I'm serious. Life is much more enjoyable then, you can everything, you don't have to anything 😉
Take up a different hobby
@@Damian_Materowski I'm really happy with my genetics. As a naturally skinny guy, I assumed I had rock bottom potential. That wasn't the case. I passed my lifetime goal (of not being clinically underweight anymore) during my first three months of bulking up. It's not that I think my physique is "perfect," it's just that I'm surprised that I made it this far.
As someone who coaches a bunch of clients, though, every once in a while, there will be someone who's doing everything right-training consistently and hard, tracking every calorie, living the perfect lifestyle-who has a really hard time making noticeable progress. We've always found a way to get them results they're satisfied with, but it'd be nice to learn how to do it even better.
After last week's episode, maybe experimenting with different rep ranges is one way to do it. Right now we use a shotgun approach of using a variety of rep ranges. Maybe we can do better than that.
Maybe there are methods I haven't thought of at all.
@@brianbadonde8700 That's like a short person seeing how tall an NBA player is and giving up on all sports forever.
Or someone whose parents died of heart disease at an early age giving up on eating a good diet.
Or someone who's bad at school dropping out.
I think that advice could hurt a lot of people.
I wonder if I'd get a lot of hate if I just wore a t-shirt that said "Good enough genetics." Average people are able to achieve a lot, but in doing so they'll cease to be average. The potential is there.
Loving the content!! Could you guys like flash de studies title while you read it? I would really appreciated :)
This is an ideal topic for Greg. Greg is strong as hell, but you would never think so looking at him. His muscularity level differs greatly from his strength level.
Thats just because of his high body fat percentage. If He would cut down to like 190 He would look jacked
Greg is definitely muscular, I remember reading one of his articles when he said he once got to 251 before a meet. Not saying the guy isn't insanely strong, but he definitely has muscle mass supporting his strength.
@@juangarese6203 I'm sure he does. He just doesn't look very muscular. He's one of those guys you would look at and seriously underestimate his strength based on his build and appearance. I've watched Greg for years now, he's one of these least muscular looking powerlifters I've watched. If powerlifting or athletics allowed someone to hustle like Woody Harrelson in "White Men Can't Jump", Greg could take a lot of money off people who did not believe he could lift what he lifts or be as athletic as he is.
What's Greg's bf ratio?
Did they also factor in height in the srudy because the taller you are the faster you can gain muscle because of bigger muscles while some guys that are smaller could get more gains relative to their height.
@@No-uy8qq I was especially talking about the first study on gain of micrometers in the quad
that's fully accounted for in (the majority of studies) that look at % changes from baseline
The reduction in aerobic fitness from some sedentary people was shocking to me.
I am such a person. I get weaker when I train.
For the algorithm
There are 8 billion people in the world.
Just imagine the unknown 'freaks' out there. : )
Btw, lifting it self is an enjoyable journey, I wish I didn't have to rest. ;)